My great-grandmother was a Victorian who had a college education. She told me when I was 12 years old about “French letters” ie. condoms. She said she and her husband used them so there would not be so many children. She had three. She also said, “Only have as many children as you can afford to send to college.” She was a woman ahead of her time.
@@JMARTIN1947 agree. Having children should be seen as a privilege and not a right since you are bringing a new person to this world. You are totally responsible of how is raised and a big part of the adult it will become. Supporting a child goes way beyond providing for economic needs. There's also the time, dedication the knowledge you'll be able to pass on to them. And you can't do that if you have more kids than you can realistically take care of.
@@JMARTIN1947 why not just say ‘if you suggest that to someone…? ‘ why did you feel the need to put down various categories of people? The white person you put there seems like it’s just there to be PC which is hilariously ironic considering your message. Such contradictions and confusion
@@alexiatr Then there is the unexpected! My younger half-sister and her husband decided on two children, during the second pregnancy, he got a vasectomy so that would be it. One year later, he was having trouble taking care of his children - my sister died in November after the second was born in February. The grief was so bad that he lost his job - no job and two babies. My point is that things happen regardless of how well we might plan. As for third world countries having more children, the childhood death rate is so high that often several children can become few. With that said, ALL PEOPLE should have access to birth control if they wish it and not be prosecuted if they use it.
I adore how much Victoria and Albert loved one another. He called her his "little queen," and she gave him a little portrait of herself, pink-cheeked and a little bit flirty looking. They were very attracted to one another physically (their many children are proof enough!) and adored each other so much. When he died, she really did mourn his loss the remainder of her life.
@@karinland8533 Yes, but her diary and letters frequently extolled how much she loved sex. She wrote to her daughters and even granddaughters that the bedroom aspect marriage was a joy and the only downside was the pregnancy and babies that resulted lol
@@piratesswoop725 i guess people back then hadnt come up with pulling out yet?? Its kinda suprising tho it seems like it would be easy to figure out. But maybe they didnt know sperm was the thing that made you pregnant i guess.
"There was an enlargement in the womb like a child" Yeah this happened to my sister, it was a 3 pound cyst she had to get removed ASAP (she was okay after that and suffers no adverse effects). When it comes to woman's health it's not always what it appears. One reason I'm glad to live in the era of ultrasounds and modern healthcare.
The misinterpretation at the time was understandable seeing they didn’t have knowledge of germs, X-rays, etc. they thought moods were based on conditions of bodily fluids and organs, they used leeches, and more. They were just lucky at the time they didn’t declare her a witch or something.
There is also such a thing as a hysterical pregnancy. A woman can have all the signs of a pregnancy including the bump. But no baby. The mind is a powerful thing.
The suffragettes! I never knew what they were as a child watching Mary Poppins! In Canada, we have the Famous Five, women who went all the way to the British Privy council to have women declared as “Persons” a very famous court case, which in turn led to new rights for women.
Couldn't thank you enough for this wise comment. Women my grandmothers' age got us the vote and made some inroads toward gender and sexual justice. Those tasks are a long way from finished. Fight on!
Well, it's a common potential cause of nausea for women of reproductive age. Though...yeah, they probably shouldn't be asking unless they're a medical professional and you're under their care.
I have gone to the doctor for stomach problems and been basically forced to take a pregnancy test even when not sexually active. It's so frustrating that the moment you so much as hint at having stomach issues everybody jumps on the "omg are you preggos?!" wagon.
I was 15 and having a bad period...all my periods were bad, in fact years later I had a miscarriage and it was no worse than a regular period, though I bled less...anyhow, my mother asked if I were pregnant...I was a. virgin, you guessed it, I was not the favorite child
This was excellent! My grandmother was born in 1888. She married my grandfather in 1917 having attended college and worked. When she married, she wanted only two children and her doctor provided her (and other women) with a diaphragm illegally. They were imported as they were illegal in the US. There were good men out there even then. i love that story about my grandmother.
I think they are referring to the fact that they were madly in love and did not ever look at another--both of them. It was a beautiful marriage, from everything I have read.
Soooo…he took Caroline to court for talking to a prime minister…but he pushed her down the stairs at 7 months pregnant and caused her to lose her child…and he does not get charged…? What a time
2022 NOW Ten years ago I got physically attacked by an ex. Hadn t seen him for a year.The court case resulted in THIS:150 euros ( which n.b.ever PAID)and my reputation being besmirched ,and me being made to feel like SHIT Nothing has changed when it comes to male violence versus women, my case is just yet another anonymous example
It has always seemed sick to me how female virginity is fetishized and coveted, like somehow having a hymen was a marker of being a good or bad person.
I think a lot of men wanted virgins because they had no way to compare how inadequate they performed in bed. If one man was all they knew how could they possibly compare & that suited the inadequate men.😏
@@farfallinaazzurra5318 People committed crimes against women because they doubted their virginity, they beat them, kill them and call it a kill for honor, it happens all over asia ,middle east, africa. And I'm from the middle east so I've seen quiet a bit of this sh&t
What a difference a few decades make. I ditched a violent husband and went on to college then a fulfilling life of friends, colleagues and travel. A second husband would be remarkably better fit. To all those women who lobbied for change I thank you from the bottom of my happy heart.
and there'S still much to be done...Brava cara. That move was so important, as you know, and changed the world just taht much more, so that there can be decent and real loving between us all...not abuse called "loving" which it's not-- it's illness--and never has been.
The truth is: Victoria has an slight german accent. Her mother was german, her governess was german. And her husband Albert was german and they spoke german to each other.
That's always been my opinion as well. As I have a German aunt who joined our family in the, 1950's. God bless her. She was here in the U.S. for almost 50yrs before her death around 2018 or 2019. Although, granted the German accent is hard to get rid of, I would also argue it's not impossible if one tried. In my aunt's case she did not want to lose her accent. I would further argue that if one were to take the thought process of my aunt in mind (as one example) I would say that perhaps, throughout her life, as a remembrance of her Albert, Victoria probably retained some vestiges of her German accent despite what her youngest granddaughter, Princess Alice, once said of her grandmother. Bear in mind Pr. Alice was born close to the turn of the city when Victoria was well into her late, '70's / early '80's. So, I would say that perhaps her accent was very watered down by the time Alice came along. However, I do not believe it was ever completely erased. Leading Alice to claim that her grandmother Victoria had "no accent" at all.
@@sortathesame8701 thats not true at all. Its a myth. Many people lived well into their 60s or 70s. The reason they say the average life expectancy was lower is because of the high infant mortality rate. The more babies you have dying, the more it'll lower the "average life expectancy", because, well, its an average, not the "norm". Common misinterpretation.
I’m sure they just wanted older people to star in this movie especially in a pleasure/sex video. 18/19 year olds are not considered full adults just yet so pleas understand that they didn’t want to use basically teenagers to play a role in this type of video. I know you were making a joke but i just wanted to explain
If woman had an affair and got pregnant, there was no way of knowing who is the real father of the baby. Especially queen, whose main duty to her husband and her country was to give birth to a heir.
The problem wasn’t marriage. Or even having many sexual partners. It was how people treated people. And how no one man or woman was truly held accountable by courts of law to deal with the domestic violence.
Perhaps she was told that Lady Flora was pregnant and that’s what caused the situation. None of us know for sure what was said between them. There was so much ignorance back then. I feel horrible for what Flora went through. There wasn’t good health care or vast knowledge. We are blessed to know much more in today’s society.
Yeah, that bit made me laugh too - like the guy can't imagine what possible redeeming qualities a person could have besides 'pheromones' if they're not naturally gorgeous.
As a 5 foot gal myself, people our height are often infantlized. She had a fiery personality and was willing to learn, although I think it's clear she wasn't as intelligent as he was. Her first language was also German, which is hilarious in the context of the world wars.
this stuff makes me really angry, because hymens are weird my Dr. told me that some can be broken by a hard sneeze, or a horseback ride, while others, like mine, aren't broken until childbirth, we had this conversation after mine broke when my second child was born. I asked how was that possible? and he explained the above, yet women have been shamed, labeled unmarriageable, and deemed unworthy throughout history because of them it's so wrong and unfair
@@notrend204 You don't understand why men want to take care of pregnant women and children in today's time? That's just as sexist as "A woman's value lies in her virginity". Come on, man.
@@bajemo359 I don't think I even had one, but if I did it was so fine that I never noticed it. Had my first pap before I'd had sex and there was no discomfort or anything. 🤷♀️
@@michaelplunkett8059 Thank you. I was thinking the exact same thing! Especially if husband is crazy over wife. OMG! It is a must! There are actual books that were once included in the Bible (but later taken out or abandoned from) that talk about poems of how husbands and wives appeased each other from mid-day till dawn (12 hour rough play in the Holy text, OH MY!). Nothing about a man only being on top either. And not always man with woman. Song of Songs is that one holy text Bible Studies love to overlook and yet it has the best advice on how to treat your spouse fruitfully and honorably.
The idea of it being immoral, is probably what made sexual encounters so traumatic for a lot of these woman. I'm not saying they were raped or abused, but if the act itself made you feel sinful and unclean, it had to made the act shameful.
I really appreciate Caroline’s descendant being so candid about George. In genealogy, I usually come across people who have deified their ancestors and speaking to the contrary is blasphemy to them.
Amen. I have experienced much the same, frequently. But if great grandfather Thomas (or whoever) was a total sonofabitch, then he was a total sonofabitch and that's that. If we could 'engineer' our own lineage, I can find a couple of folks in my own lineage that I'd gladly delete. But some have pointed out that then, I wouldn''t be "me". Ok by me, I would not have known the difference, and the rest of my family in that lineage would have been much happier, safer and better off. If a snake is a snake, it's a snake and you don't call it a fuzzy puppy just because a puppy would have been nicer.
I immediately thought, this man is a moron, does he fully expect to be taken seriously, with a comment like that? Sexuality has nothing to do with personal appearance... also, I have no understanding of his standards, if the drawing shown onscreen was accurate, the woman was not ugly in the least bit. When I think of "ugly" I think of maybe Janet Reno, or something? Idk. I try not to think that shallow. The material world is nothing if it isn’t lying.
I've always seen Queen Victoria as the standard of the grieving widow. But to hear her described as being "plunged into the ecstasy of grief" brings it to an entirely different level of understanding.
As a Royal, she was unable to relieve her sexual desires after Albert died. Others of a lesser status would have found a way out with lovers, etc. No wonder she withdrew into herself.
@christopherpattison7877 men, too mourned a dead love a lot. Like the uncle of the protagonist of the secret garden who never remarried, moped around in a depressed state , acted like a workaholic and generally ignored everything around him for like 10 years until his 10 year old niece shows him how to live a normal life again via showing him that she managed to get his 12 year old son to get up and walk after the boy had spent years bedridden or in a wheelchair. Behold the impossible ❤❤
Ummm... Victoria and Albert fought A LOT. She resented his interference with her rule. Eventually they compromised and Albert took on many worthwhile projects, but at first they were at serious odds with each other. It was a loving marriage but hardly perfect, as Victoria herself would forget. The "perfect" marriage doesn't exist and even these days we put too much pressure on each other to have successful relationships.
This is more about how Victoria and Albert's marriage SEEMED perfect to people of their time and how that perfect persona put up such a high bar for everyone else's marriage and ultimately reinforced societal pressures for perfect matrimonial bliss.
Albert was determined to become King, especially after the lessons Uncle Leopold of Belgium passed along to him after he was widowed when the Heiress Presumptive Charlotte died during birth. Leopold continued to be invited, and he was given the Belgian throne. He made sure his nephew was educated and ready to assume kingship, even as the Mountbattens hoped Philip would become king, over QEII. Of course, Albert was a severe workaholic ; for thr power? To get away from Victoria's cloying , crazy moods? Those emotional extremes evident in Victoria, and even her uncles, remain evident in the UK royal family . They are all so tightly corked emotionally, it's they way they survive, until this day.
This video is about their private relationship with regard to romance and physical intimacy and how this both affected and sometimes contrasted with their public image. It has nothing to do with them seeing eye to eye politically.
Lady Flora died of liver cancer, not stomach cancer and it was not shortly after it was diagnosed. She lived a bit over two more months--long enough to express concern about the upcoming medieval Eglinton Tournament and concern that a participant might die. Her concerns were ignored for that too.
Caroline’s story is heartbreaking… All she wanted was a friend, and all she had was an abusive husband. I’m so happy she hung in there though. She was a creative and hard-working soul who fought for her beliefs and her independence (albeit only quasi-true)
Among other things, she used the existing laws to her advantage, and made her life with Norton so unpleasant that he almost begged her to divorce him, anyway.
@@articxunodorseggnej8016 in Victorian times, the law dictated that when a woman married, EVERYTHING that she owned became the property of her husband. All her money, all her property, all her income - everything. This was because it was assumed that the husband would provide for her, therefore, why does SHE need it? Right? The problem with this is that EVERYTHING that the woman owns becomes the property of her husband - EV-VER-ERY - THING. That includes ANY and ALL DEBTS that she accrues. They don't belong to her - they belong to her HUSBAND. She doesn't, she can't, and she's NOT EXPECTED to pay her own debts - HER HUSBAND DOES THAT FOR HER. That's how the law works. So what did she do? She ran up a GIGANTIC debt just going on shopping-sprees and stuff like that. Creditors came calling. "Where's our money!?" "Don't ask me! Ask my husband!" So they did!...and it turned his life into a living hell.
@@shahancheong9792 he should’ve divorced her not used her as a punching bag, have some humane decency. You wouldn’t be understanding if someone kicked a dog for being noisy would you
Fellatio, cunnilingus, and anilingus, were consider highly improper for a respectable wife to engage in, so the men used prostitution and/or mistresses for the kinky sex acts. The ‘respectable’ wife’s only sexual activity was the missionary position, and she could not show any signs of pleasure. WOW, such fun! Some women never engaged in sex with their husbands after children were conceived. Their wifely duty was done, as sex was only to make babies, not for pleasure. Some wives would sneak a lover, keeping hubby in the dark. They all had the illusion of respectability. Hookers and mistresses were in demand I’m sure. Victorian era…..prime and proper………..🤣
@@mchapman132 old era: you cant satisfy yourself respectably so you satisfy yourself secretly Modern era: you try to satisfy yourself fucking everything, anything, anywhere, and everywhere mr d can go in, but you still cant satisfy yourself but ended with broken heart, diseases, unwanted kid, and abortion.
Well, for Victoria, the fact she actually loved her husband, was already a big big advantage. She first saw him at 12 years old and already then she felt attracted to him. She wrote about it in her diary as well. When they met later, she still had feelings for him. She didn't have doubts about marrying him at all. She described his manners and his looks as most pleasing in her diary. When he died, she mourned his death until the end of her own death. Too bad for lady Flora though. She had a tumor and doctor Clark, who misdiagnosed her, also misdiagnosed Victoria`s daughter at later time.
I met a half first cousin at age 21. He looked so much like a young picture of my very handsome grandfather and had his way with conversation. I had to keep reminding myself that he and I are first cousins...well half. I can see how first cousins can be very attracted to each other. Often one will look like a particularly attractive elder of the family, and the culture of the family is familiar and comfortable. He looked like my handsome grandfather (he was a half, as grandfather was a scandalous sort in his s young years and had extramarital affairs), and I turned out to look like my grandmother...who looked like that young man's grandmother. I had red hair like that cousin's grandmother, and was fairly attractive I was told as a young woman. If he thought his grandmother was an attractive person as everyone saw my grandfather, it might explain the way he was so focused on me in conversation. As for culture? His household was never part of my family's "culture", but they seemed to have the same easy conversational manner. After such a meeting, I think I understand how cousin mariage was so common and stood the test of time. One would know from very young if one were compatible with a person, as well as their family. The family matters. Family destroys as many marriages as money and affairs.
@@dgeneeknapp3168 So you are saying you were attracted to your own cousin and he looked like your "very handsome grandfather", so you were attracted to your grandfather as well?! My goodness people are sick as hell !! Keep it to yourself, please. That is so sick and perverse. I couldn't imagine writing a comment to share those horrendous thoughts with the world. How embarrassing.
When Victoria died as part of showing grief and mourning her death the New South Wales government ordered all government furniture to be painted black. Decades later when the higher quality pieces were sold off or restored the ugly black paint was stripped away revealing beautiful timber underneath with was then stained and varnished to a brilliant shine. Some of the finest Australian cedar furniture was uncovered in this process.
Really? I'd never heard about that. It was amazing how the whole empire loved Queen Victoria. There's a wonderful statue of her in Adelaide. I'm sorry from Victoria.
@@garycarpenter2980 I actually have an old public service desk from a slightly later era. I purchased ot at Auction when my former workplace was closed and a lot of the contents sold. It was made somewhere between 1901 and 1940. It was in terrible condition with a top that was cut to fit it inot a small space and broken drawers and loose legs. The top was also badly stained with old engine oil. It is now restored and I am using it as an office desk replacing a piece of crap from Ikea.
My father found two of those pieces , both curio cabinets at a yard sale in Ontario, in early 70s. Being British he recognized the oval glass fronts as being Victorian. He scratched off the black paint at the back and knew immediately they were a treasure. He bought both for a song and after stripping off paint and restoring them, my mother enjoyed them until her death in 1995. Now my sister and I each have one.
George Norton was a total bastard wasn’t he. Poor Caroline, we should all be forever grateful and proud of the real legislative change that she brought about for all women. Due to her experience in her dreadful marriage, Caroline used this to lobby and improve the rights of all woman and their children too. Caroline brought about what some call the first piece of feminist legislation. Caroline went on to contribute to two other pieces of legislation regarding women’s rights. Caroline did all of this in the 1800s, decades before women got the right to vote in the early 1900s. Thanks Caroline, thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤️
@@coconut569 So easy for you to say that, but women had nowhere to go, and few had their own money to support themselves, and if they left their husbands they were penalised by Society.
It was done all throughout history and only up until maybe 100 years ago did it taper off. It is legal in most of the states in the US and are probably still is legal in Europe. I don't understand why people act like this is so surprising.
@@celestebivin1659 Oh, I'm not surprised. But to correct, marrying your first cousin is legal in about half of the United States, sadly. Marrying your second cousin however is legal in all the United States. Idk about Europe. Even though it's legal it's extremely taboo for the most part, as it should be. It's disgusting and you have a really great chance of fucking up your children by marrying incestuously. Because that's what it is, incest. Countless case studies have been done about this and 3 of Queen Victoria's children had hemophilia, one of which died a horrible death after hemorrhaging internally after a fall. There is also concern that that hemophilia could crop up again in British Royal family members, particularly from Princess Beatrices Spanish line from silent carriers. Moral of the story, maybe let's not glorify romantically being involved with your family members. Say what you want about Queen Victoria's passionate love affair with Albert, it's gross, but back then they didn't know any better, but we do now. Don't fuck your first cousin.
@@celestebivin1659 yes. But in breeding caused so many genetic, physical and mental disorders on the Royal houses. Have you read about some mad kings and queens, especially in Spain. There was also one who was had like, green skin because of inbreeding. Queen Victoria was such a fan of this though, to keep power and wealth within the family. even her own children intermarried with their relatives.
@@JustYourAverageGirl2002 Well, to tell you the truth I know from where you're coming from and to a degree even support what you even mentioned above, but on an emotional level... OUCH! THAT REALLY HURTS! especially when you said gross and disgusting and maybe I'm baised as much as you becuase to me, in our religion it's fine and ok to marry our cousins! It's not gross or disgusting to me... It's normal and so far I never heard about anyone in the family struggling from any illnesses or whatnot! and I hope you won't be offended by disaggring with you on this, but my cousin is NOT my brother or my sister and never will be... they're family...
Such an incredible documentary. My son is British and I am Zambian and he constantly asks me questions about the Victorian era. We are both learning because we are both fascinated about how they influenced the entire world as we know it.
@@elvenkind6072I would guess that the other parent is British and their child was born and is being raised in Britain. he might have mixed genetics, but it's logical the he is considered British. alternatively, adoption is a thing and although much rarer, it could also be that. a zambian parent adopting a British son.
The fact that Albert choose Mr. Brown for Victoria shows how much he loved her. He really knew her very well. He knew she needed someone like Brown to keep her company and set her straight when she went overboard. I wonder if Albert knew she would survive him? It's a shame that their friendship was misconstrued as something other then the platonic match that it was.
He didn’t choose him for Victoria but for himself! Brown served Albert for 10 years until the Prince died, first then Brown begann to serve Queen Victoria.
@@TheRossspija Yes, if she went overboard. Not because she was a woman but because she was a *ruler.* Rulers do absolutely need someone around them who *isn't* a yes-man and who is not afraid to give them a reality check.
I dont know why people look to the Victorian era with such fondness and romanticism. It was one of the worst times for women. For me the only thing quaint about that era were perhaps the clothing. They looked nice, but I'm damn glad I dont have to wear such trapping garb. No thank you.
Yeah honestly I think they just like the aesthetic of it? But yeah women were very oppressed in that era but I think people romanticise it without emphasizing the whole grim women exploitation thing. I read comics and e-books romanticising this theme and I see that instead of following the social norms back then, authors give it this modern independent norm to the characters and just keep that Victorian aesthetic
@@tofuububu even IF that were true (which you have not cited any sources to back up this claim so its basically an opinion at this point and not a fact,) I don't think modern women's fascination with the victorian era has anything remotely to do with the oppression or lifestyles of women and more about the style of clothing they wore.
Other comments already kind of pointed this out but there's nothing wrong with appreciating the aesthetics of a particular era. That doesn't mean we agree with 100% of what happened during that era or that you have to necessarily love everything about an era to enjoy some aspects of it. There are lots of things wrong with our current society too, so do we just never appreciate anything ever then?
A word about the production value of this video, they are very well done. Beautiful scenes both inside and out, costuming, continuity well done, narration excellent. From start to finish a very well-done piece. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
“(condoms) were tied with ribbon, which was rather sweet” just the mental image of a blue satin bow like the kind on gift boxes of chocolate makes me laugh 😂
Crazy how in those days a man could mess around with as many women as he wanted married or not, and only if he were caught and bought before court than he could be sued but the wife could and would lose everything; house, kids, property and the ability to support herself.
When I was in junior high,my gym coach had always worn a handlebar mustache and my mom met him once and she didn't like it,she wasn't fond of beards or taches
Why when we hear the words, virtuous and purity, do we automatically believe it refers to the subject of sex? How about real moral virtue and real moral purity?
@@joygernautm6641 I didn't say it did or it didn't. We are discussing moral purity.. However, we live in an over sexualized society where children are exposed to sex 24/7. We can't watch TV or look on the internet without seeing sex, gender dysmorphia & homesexuality. Pornography has taken over. Now...do whatever feels good...whatever you want goes, right? How about some self respect? I'm not a perfect person myself, but I do have morals and standards. Those are lacking in the world today.
I know, right? I was just listening to this but I had to stop and take a look at the fool who judged a smart woman for her looks as if she was less deserving of attention. That should have been edited out of the final cut, it offered nothing to the documentary.
Seriously is it so hard to believe that people enjoyed being around her because she was smart and interesting not because she had supernatural pheromones coming out of her ears.
Wasn't it Victoria that asked her mother about her wedding night, and what to expect....and her mother said just closed your eyes and think of England? A famous quote I think...
The crotch less part was actually meant for going to the restroom because of the huge dresses with all the layers. They had to be able to go without removing all of the layers.
this era was basically everyone having double standards (edit: to the people who think I said double standards don't exist in our era tho I never even said that at all, yes double standards still exist today and I'm pretty sure we're all aware of it lol I just made a random comment about that specific era, stop overthinking my comment and have a good day)
I wouldn't say she was ugly at all. 'Homely' or 'plain' would be more like it. However, I have no doubt that her fascinating mind and what she spoke of would have likely made her a very magnetic person to be around. It's funny how someone can be 'not conventionally attractive' but genuinely intelligent and confident in themselves, and come across as being quite attractive as a result - the sort of person whom you can't look away from when they speak. Similarly there have been a few people I've seen and met who were very attractive but who had really bad personalities and, in my eyes, became increasingly unattractive as a result of it. My sister's abusive boyfriend was one such example; I had a bit of a crush on him originally (because he seemed the poster boy for 'tall, dark and handsome'), until I spent a holiday at her place and found out how he secretly treated my sister. Hearing the things he said to her when he didn't know I was there, and seeing the uncontrollable rages he would fly into, made him unbearably ugly in my eyes - that's when I first understood that an attractive face is just a thin vaneer when there's ugliness underneath, and once that vaneer is lifted, there is only the ugliness left.
I knew Victoria loved Albert, but I had no idea how deeply in love they both were. This has actually made me really sad and I'm borderline ready to cry, which is ridiculous because I never cry, for anything. I'm getting soft in my old age.
Actually Albert was quite uncomfortable with victorias intense affection with him at the beginning. He really went through with the marriage because it was his “duty” and he had be raised since he was young to fulfill the role as her husband
Love the risky commentary throughout the video. It really brings to life the story and puts a current perspective on past events that transcribe through time. Honestly I have learned more about history across the world than all of my regular schooling and go to my college degrees. If my teachers would take their cues from UA-cam to teach so many more people would learn and retain the information because it was put in a way that made it interesting.
In all probability, if history lessons were anything to go by when I went to school in Scotland in the fifties. So boring, when in actuality history is exciting and endlessly fascinating, not just the kings and queens, but the lives of the ordinary people. Just be careful who's telling the tales, though, there's an awful lot of shi** on youtube and I've had to turn some things off because of the horrendous errors. Sloppy work.
It should also be considered how Albert’s familial experience may have shaped their morals as well. Albert’s older brother, Ernest II, suffered from STIs which made him unable to have children and also possibly made his wife infertile. Eventually one of Victoria’s sons was made his heir and his immorality was always a point of embarrassment for Victoria and Albert
Who was that dusty man at 26:00 talking about "she must've been very sexy" and "she was very ugly...horse face"? What an unnecessary bit that undermines the entire point of sexual and economical liberation for women at the time. I'm glad all of Mary's accomplishments and connections being boiled down to her physical appeal.
This is the second account I've seen/heard of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. If it is true, she was a very blessed woman. I actually teared up at his dying and her broken heart. I can only imagine losing the first and only great love of your life.
@@bw1357 that’s a tough one but this isn’t the right place to ask. I do feel for men going through the same thing although a lot of people don’t believe it happens.
This is an outstanding post. I could never see beyond the intricate threads of the Victorian society and understand the profound effects those rigid moral values had on individual lives. New subscriber here. Keep up the exquisite work!
This was very, very well produced. I absolutely loved it! One thing though, I saw another documentary about Queen Victoria’s life and their conclusion was there definitely was a sexual relationship between her and her burly Scot. Victoria had given a companion an excerpt of a kind of autobiography that included information about her interactions with him. Her friend was absolutely scandalized and told her she couldn’t include the passages because it would convince everyone the gossip about them was true. Also, when Victoria died, there was a funeral procession that included a kind of open carriage that displayed her body; similarly like you would see at a funeral showing. Clasped in her hands was something of Albert’s that was clearly seen and easily identifiable. What people didn’t see was a similar keepsake from the Scot hidden underneath were it wouldn’t be seen. It was like Albert was her first husband and John was her second, or at least that’s how it was interpreted.
Where do you get the information about an "open carriage". All the pictures I saw of that cold, dreary January day show a closed casket set upon Albert's gun carriage. So, where do you get the info of an open carriage from?
I appreciate the amount of work and efforts put into the film , I’ve always found my interest in history ,literature and art .Instead of studying for my science exam here I am admiring every bit of the absolute presentation.
Some people can have sexy appeal, but not be aesthetically pleasing. That's probably what he meant. Some people exude so much sex appeal and self-confidence, that you don't mind them not being seen as "traditionally" beautiful or handsome.
I don't find her ugly at all---it was because she had strong features, which were the opposite of the ideal at the time. That portrait of her is lovely and strong...and amazing eyes of intelligence and feeling...
They have carefully left out one more dominant male figure in Queen Victoria's later life period. Mohammed Abdul Karim (1863 - 20 April 1909), also known as "the Munshi", was an Indian attendant of Queen Victoria. ... Victoria appointed him to be her Indian Secretary, showered him with honors, and obtained a land grant for him in India. He served her during the final fourteen years of her reign. But that didn't stop her, aged 68, from starting another alleged intimate relationship with Muslim servant Abdul Karim, 24. She wrote him letters signed with flurries of kisses. They were destroyed by her son, King George VII when she died and erased all facts relating to the Queen with this Munshi ('Munshi' means in Urdu, a teacher because he used to teach her Urdu language, as well along with other responsibilities).
Yes. You have to be pretty darn nasty to send staff on a trip that will take them close to a yr (round trip), just to go to a foreign country to destroy someone else's personal property. Then travel all the way back to your own place of origin once the task us complete. Couldn't imagine how demoralized Abdul Karim and his family must have felt after the incident. For that matter I wonder how his descendants felt throughout the intervening decades.
I've heard this story when I was a young teen from my dad. He always told us stories with moral & ethical standards attached to it or a lack thereof. He said she tarnished all the good the king & she had.
A very happy marriage in most respects, but they had the most massive stand-up rows with Victoria throwing things and both shouting at each other from room to room. There was also a lot of resentment on Albert's part that he wasn't in control of anything, which she made a point of reminding him of. She was always on the alert for him trying to act like a king. Still, they loved each other, which was the important thing.
He did, however, get to be the architect and overseer of the construction of The Crystal Palace which burnt down in 1937. He used his influence to improve the circumstances of the poor, too. Truly a wonderful human being
The British people would not have stood for being ruled by a foreign prince, and Victoria knew that. Show me a marriage without an argument, I don't believe there's ever been one.
When Victoria became queen she never did anything to improve the lives of women but make it worst. She may have a good marriage, but she never cares about other women. In my head, she hates her own gender. Victoria was fortunate to pick her own man, but refused other women the choice, always marrying them off for political purposes. I don't like Victoria at all she is someone in history that I see as part of the women's troubles and hill treatment, while Victoria sat on the throne commanding even her own husband other women can't even own their own inheritance it belongs to their husband when they get married.
I agree that she seemed to hate her gender. I wonder if that stems from how little control she actually had in her life as both a woman & as Queen. She was looked down on both literally & figuratively. Perhaps she tried to distance herself from her sex so that she could be taken more seriously by the men around her. She was surrounded by uneducated women for a large part of her life, with her mother not allowing her to rise to the level intellectually of what you would expect of a future monarch. Also, her hatred for being pregnant seems to really hammer the nail in the coffin. It would’ve made her weak & put in a position where her power was taken away. There was probably some trauma there that mixed with her more traditional views. Despite her views, her leadership role did inspire women to join the feminist movement. Not only in the UK, but across the pond as well. Yes she did very little when it comes to improving the lives of women, but it wasn’t revealed how she really felt about women having rights until after her death. And boy did she seem to oppose the idea. But during her reign, she was used as an example by suffragists to push forward their ideals & the idea that if she could rule, why couldn’t other women have that power too? So yeah, she hated her gender but she unintentionally made some impact on women’s rights. I find it hard to condemn her when she herself was uneducated & sheltered for a large part of her upbringing, with no one to really challenge the views of those around her.
Victoria honestly seemed to hate people in general, besides her intimate circle of people whom she was charmed by and possibly helped to sustain the little bubble she lived in. She was also a pretty awful mother, to boot.
I read an old 1970s book back in 1993 or 94 that uncovered that Victoria kept Albert very busy in the chambers so much so that he couldn't cheat on her like so many husbands did during that time. Death by exhaustion must've been a real deal back then. 🤔
As is usually the case with British historical productions, this was exquisitely done. Excellent, informative, and enjoyed immensely! U.S. productions cannot compete, come even close. I say this as an American totally in love with all things British, and after spending years in Europe 💞👍
There are plenty of excellent American documentaries, actually. What in the world are you even talking about?? Just stop. I'm tired of people talking sh** about anything American. America has accomplished everything that every other country has, many times BETTER than them. Everyone and their Mother wants to move to and live in America! The problem is that those in the U.S.A really don't want most of you coming there, (truthfully). But they can't keep the caravans of people trying to emigrate here 0UT, Unfortunately!
omg this comment… America is the US and is not paradise as you want to see…not anymore. Im sorry that you still in this mindset and i wish you a happy life wherever you choose to be
How ignorant of you. If you struggle to find quality documentaries in America, that speaks to a lack of thoroughness on your part, as there are dozens, if not hundreds, of beautifully well done American documentaries in existence. And as a side note, you can uplift one without putting down another. Classless.
@@russellishihara8390 Oh please, put on your big boy pants, grow up. Reality check: opinions are exactly that. News flash: the only ones dying to get into the U.S. are those literally dying and worse off where they were. Countless American's live in Europe, I've met them, and have zero desire to return to the U.S. Why? Because those who've experienced living there, like myself, quickly find out America is NOT the greatest place on Earth. Don't believe it? Educate yourself. Watch the documentary "Sicko," and find out what other countries, not third world ones, REALLY think of the U.S. Better yet, go live in another country long-term before speaking from your naive perspective.
@@sorayaforest5659 Yet another poorly thought out comment, a response that has nothing to do with my post. Are you kidding? No one in their right minds comes even close to seeing America as "paradise." It's not a mindset, it's based on world travel, and actually living abroad. European roots and history go much further back than the U.S. Therefore, when it comes to presenting that history, they outshine American's doing so. By the way, there there is something called "opinions." Having them does not make one unhappy or happy. Seriously? My guess is you're very young and therefore deeply into being politically correct. Not me.
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My great-grandmother was a Victorian who had a college education. She told me when I was 12 years old about “French letters” ie. condoms. She said she and her husband used them so there would not be so many children. She had three. She also said, “Only have as many children as you can afford to send to college.” She was a woman ahead of her time.
@@JMARTIN1947 woah 😳
She definitely was ahead of her time
@@JMARTIN1947 agree. Having children should be seen as a privilege and not a right since you are bringing a new person to this world. You are totally responsible of how is raised and a big part of the adult it will become. Supporting a child goes way beyond providing for economic needs. There's also the time, dedication the knowledge you'll be able to pass on to them. And you can't do that if you have more kids than you can realistically take care of.
@@JMARTIN1947 why not just say ‘if you suggest that to someone…? ‘ why did you feel the need to put down various categories of people? The white person you put there seems like it’s just there to be PC which is hilariously ironic considering your message. Such contradictions and confusion
@@alexiatr Then there is the unexpected! My younger half-sister and her husband decided on two children, during the second pregnancy, he got a vasectomy so that would be it. One year later, he was having trouble taking care of his children - my sister died in November after the second was born in February. The grief was so bad that he lost his job - no job and two babies.
My point is that things happen regardless of how well we might plan.
As for third world countries having more children, the childhood death rate is so high that often several children can become few. With that said, ALL PEOPLE should have access to birth control if they wish it and not be prosecuted if they use it.
I adore how much Victoria and Albert loved one another. He called her his "little queen," and she gave him a little portrait of herself, pink-cheeked and a little bit flirty looking. They were very attracted to one another physically (their many children are proof enough!) and adored each other so much. When he died, she really did mourn his loss the remainder of her life.
And he never cheated, very uncommon in that time.
Many children are neither a proof of a happy marriages nor of a fulfilling and consensual sex life....
@@karinland8533 yes, but she have her diary as a proof
@@karinland8533 Yes, but her diary and letters frequently extolled how much she loved sex. She wrote to her daughters and even granddaughters that the bedroom aspect marriage was a joy and the only downside was the pregnancy and babies that resulted lol
@@piratesswoop725 i guess people back then hadnt come up with pulling out yet?? Its kinda suprising tho it seems like it would be easy to figure out. But maybe they didnt know sperm was the thing that made you pregnant i guess.
"There was an enlargement in the womb like a child" Yeah this happened to my sister, it was a 3 pound cyst she had to get removed ASAP (she was okay after that and suffers no adverse effects). When it comes to woman's health it's not always what it appears. One reason I'm glad to live in the era of ultrasounds and modern healthcare.
The misinterpretation at the time was understandable seeing they didn’t have knowledge of germs, X-rays, etc. they thought moods were based on conditions of bodily fluids and organs, they used leeches, and more. They were just lucky at the time they didn’t declare her a witch or something.
oh god that sounds horrible, glad she's alright
My grandma had a cyst the size of a basketball. She thought she was pregnant.
There is also such a thing as a hysterical pregnancy. A woman can have all the signs of a pregnancy including the bump. But no baby. The mind is a powerful thing.
@@whygohome172 I'm so sorry I hope she's doing well now
All I have to say is...thank you to all the women before me who fought for future generations of women....from the bottom of my soul....thank you
The suffragettes! I never knew what they were as a child watching Mary Poppins! In Canada, we have the Famous Five, women who went all the way to the British Privy council to have women declared as “Persons” a very famous court case, which in turn led to new rights for women.
Exactly
Agreed 100% and for those who continue to fight to this day!!!
Couldn't thank you enough for this wise comment. Women my grandmothers' age got us the vote and made some inroads toward gender and sexual justice. Those tasks are a long way from finished. Fight on!
@@psingerman4778 indeed💜
Crazy to think that even now, as a female, when you’re sick with nausea, people immediately ask if you’re pregnant.
Well, it's a common potential cause of nausea for women of reproductive age. Though...yeah, they probably shouldn't be asking unless they're a medical professional and you're under their care.
Can't say I've experienced that in my neck of the woods.
I have gone to the doctor for stomach problems and been basically forced to take a pregnancy test even when not sexually active. It's so frustrating that the moment you so much as hint at having stomach issues everybody jumps on the "omg are you preggos?!" wagon.
I was 15 and having a bad period...all my periods were bad, in fact years later I had a miscarriage and it was no worse than a regular period, though I bled less...anyhow, my mother asked if I were pregnant...I was a. virgin, you guessed it, I was not the favorite child
@@foureyeddragon00 Well, they never believe you
This was excellent! My grandmother was born in 1888. She married my grandfather in 1917 having attended college and worked. When she married, she wanted only two children and her doctor provided her (and other women) with a diaphragm illegally. They were imported as they were illegal in the US. There were good men out there even then. i love that story about my grandmother.
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@@oliwia6199I bet that user is a troll or a bot.😂😂
@@oliwia6199 I’ve seen people on UA-cam who claimed to be 50+, so I think it is possible
@@spleens4200 well it's not as if they can't use youtube
@@oliwia6199i mean this account was made like 16 years ago so It’s possible for them to be 50+
It hurts so much that the "impossible marriage" is literally just one where the husband doesn't rape and beat their wife and respects her
I think they are referring to the fact that they were madly in love and did not ever look at another--both of them. It was a beautiful marriage, from everything I have read.
Why is that impossible? It's literally everywhere.
This is a confusing comment. Could you expound on it?
I completely agree!
Solution: Marry another woman
Soooo…he took Caroline to court for talking to a prime minister…but he pushed her down the stairs at 7 months pregnant and caused her to lose her child…and he does not get charged…? What a time
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Ten years ago I got physically attacked by an ex.
Hadn t seen him for a year.The court case resulted in THIS:150 euros ( which n.b.ever PAID)and my reputation being besmirched ,and me being made to feel like SHIT
Nothing has changed when it comes to male violence versus women, my case is just yet another anonymous example
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@@ausendundeinenacht1 Yeah I was going to say. In Germany a man who harasses you, rapes you, or is violent in most of the cases faces no charge lmao
Technically, he took the prime minister to court
It has always seemed sick to me how female virginity is fetishized and coveted, like somehow having a hymen was a marker of being a good or bad person.
I think a lot of men wanted virgins because they had no way to compare how inadequate they performed in bed. If one man was all they knew how could they possibly compare & that suited the inadequate men.😏
Unfortunately so many countries still have that problem
What's your problem with this
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People committed crimes against women because they doubted their virginity, they beat them, kill them and call it a kill for honor, it happens all over asia ,middle east, africa. And I'm from the middle east so I've seen quiet a bit of this sh&t
The point of this is monogamy. The establishment of a healthy family. Unlearn your brainwashing.
Lady Flora Hastings deserved a royal apology. At least after her innocence was proven, but *definitely* posthumously.
I agree
Poor Flora got seriously screwed over.
@@MissBee13 To say the least.
she would have been innocent and guiltless whether she was found a virgin or not.
@@walexander000 agreed.
What a difference a few decades make. I ditched a violent husband and went on to college then a fulfilling life of friends, colleagues and travel. A second husband would be remarkably better fit.
To all those women who lobbied for change I thank you from the bottom of my happy heart.
and there'S still much to be done...Brava cara. That move was so important, as you know, and changed the world just taht much more, so that there can be decent and real loving between us all...not abuse called "loving" which it's not-- it's illness--and never has been.
Yet men can’t escape violent women
Absolutely!
@@teacoon6399 know exactly, a different kettle of fish yet it can be done.
Hooray for you! I love a happy ending.
The truth is: Victoria has an slight german accent. Her mother was german, her governess was german. And her husband Albert was german and they spoke german to each other.
That's always been my opinion as well. As I have a German aunt who joined our family in the, 1950's. God bless her. She was here in the U.S. for almost 50yrs before her death around 2018 or 2019. Although, granted the German accent is hard to get rid of, I would also argue it's not impossible if one tried. In my aunt's case she did not want to lose her accent. I would further argue that if one were to take the thought process of my aunt in mind (as one example) I would say that perhaps, throughout her life, as a remembrance of her Albert, Victoria probably retained some vestiges of her German accent despite what her youngest granddaughter, Princess Alice, once said of her grandmother. Bear in mind Pr. Alice was born close to the turn of the city when Victoria was well into her late, '70's / early '80's. So, I would say that perhaps her accent was very watered down by the time Alice came along. However, I do not believe it was ever completely erased. Leading Alice to claim that her grandmother Victoria had "no accent" at all.
The English royals are German they even changed their original last name to Windsor
Narrator: Victoria was 18 and Albert 19
Actors on screen: at least 35
But were they cousins?? Then they fell short of the mark! lol
Umm..and? Lol its a documentary
That was probably the age an 18 or 19 year old person looked back then. Remember, they were dying by age 35! They aged very quickly back then.
@@sortathesame8701 thats not true at all. Its a myth. Many people lived well into their 60s or 70s. The reason they say the average life expectancy was lower is because of the high infant mortality rate. The more babies you have dying, the more it'll lower the "average life expectancy", because, well, its an average, not the "norm". Common misinterpretation.
I’m sure they just wanted older people to star in this movie especially in a pleasure/sex video. 18/19 year olds are not considered full adults just yet so pleas understand that they didn’t want to use basically teenagers to play a role in this type of video. I know you were making a joke but i just wanted to explain
In those times men could have mistresses and commit adultery yet women were watched like they were going to jump on every man around
You seem to have a great memory of those times.
@@Pete-z6e I read a lot of history books !
Ahhhh, the good old days.........lol.
@@Pete-z6e I may be old but I’m not that old !
If woman had an affair and got pregnant, there was no way of knowing who is the real father of the baby. Especially queen, whose main duty to her husband and her country was to give birth to a heir.
The problem wasn’t marriage. Or even having many sexual partners. It was how people treated people. And how no one man or woman was truly held accountable by courts of law to deal with the domestic violence.
Sounds like 2021
Well said.
You meant to say how men mistreated/killed women. You didnt mean how people treated people.
Caroline should have waited until he was gone and took the kids to the county and hid
Best to be alive without all stuff then dead
That hasn't changed(violence)in centuries
While Victoria and Albert were enjoying each other, renovating Balmoral Castle and having lots of kids, Ireland was starving.
Correct. Have no reverence for these scumbags.
Ah, the good ol’ days when a marriage to your cousin would fix your rep.
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Well we never know Imma try this out , I’m pretty unpopular in school
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Could be worse... they could be marrying siblings and even their own children, like the Hapsburg. 😱🤮
The shot of queen Victoria’s statue covered in pigeon shit is a bit poetic.
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Imagine what she'd say if she was able to see it now lol
I noticed the poo running down like mascara........
@@murieltainter5936 lolol
How shameful of Victoria to have judged Lady Flora erroneously & never apologized for it.
Some women were"catty"about that
Perhaps she was told that Lady Flora was pregnant and that’s what caused the situation. None of us know for sure what was said between them. There was so much ignorance back then. I feel horrible for what Flora went through. There wasn’t good health care or vast knowledge. We are blessed to know much more in today’s society.
@@proudmarinemomma827 after Lady Flora’s death she was found to have stomach cancer but Victoria never cleared her name& that I find shameful.
'never explain', is one of the mottos (motti?) of the British Monarchy
That's what Mary Poppins told Mr.Banks
She wasn't ugly, she was completely ok looking. "There must've been pheromones for her to be so well liked" uh, maybe her personality?
Yeah, that bit made me laugh too - like the guy can't imagine what possible redeeming qualities a person could have besides 'pheromones' if they're not naturally gorgeous.
So sexist comment . Like she would only be worth to be loved for her looks 🙄🙄
As a 5 foot gal myself, people our height are often infantlized. She had a fiery personality and was willing to learn, although I think it's clear she wasn't as intelligent as he was. Her first language was also German, which is hilarious in the context of the world wars.
The actual image of her was most definitely NOT ugly. I wouldn’t even call her plain.
Her mind shines right through her eyes; that’s attractive as any can see.
this stuff makes me really angry, because hymens are weird my Dr. told me that some can be broken by a hard sneeze, or a horseback ride, while others, like mine, aren't broken until childbirth, we had this conversation after mine broke when my second child was born. I asked how was that possible? and he explained the above, yet women have been shamed, labeled unmarriageable, and deemed unworthy throughout history because of them it's so wrong and unfair
and that info should be made much more public than it is....
The fact that Men even had the nerve to look at/touch a woman to check such a thing 🤮 To this day I don't understand why men want to be OBs
@@notrend204 You don't understand why men want to take care of pregnant women and children in today's time? That's just as sexist as "A woman's value lies in her virginity". Come on, man.
Horseback riding here.....if someone wanted to pass up the whole package due to a technicality, that’s their problem.
@@bajemo359 I don't think I even had one, but if I did it was so fine that I never noticed it. Had my first pap before I'd had sex and there was no discomfort or anything. 🤷♀️
You can have high morality and go crazy in the bedroom with your husband… nothing immoral about that lol
Stating that for a friend, aren’t you?
Crazy with husband IS moral.
@@michaelplunkett8059 Thank you. I was thinking the exact same thing! Especially if husband is crazy over wife. OMG! It is a must! There are actual books that were once included in the Bible (but later taken out or abandoned from) that talk about poems of how husbands and wives appeased each other from mid-day till dawn (12 hour rough play in the Holy text, OH MY!). Nothing about a man only being on top either. And not always man with woman. Song of Songs is that one holy text Bible Studies love to overlook and yet it has the best advice on how to treat your spouse fruitfully and honorably.
Truth. As long as he is your husband 😏😏
The idea of it being immoral, is probably what made sexual encounters so traumatic for a lot of these woman. I'm not saying they were raped or abused, but if the act itself made you feel sinful and unclean, it had to made the act shameful.
I really appreciate Caroline’s descendant being so candid about George. In genealogy, I usually come across people who have deified their ancestors and speaking to the contrary is blasphemy to them.
Amen. I have experienced much the same, frequently. But if great grandfather Thomas (or whoever) was a total sonofabitch, then he was a total sonofabitch and that's that. If we could 'engineer' our own lineage, I can find a couple of folks in my own lineage that I'd gladly delete. But some have pointed out that then, I wouldn''t be "me". Ok by me, I would not have known the difference, and the rest of my family in that lineage would have been much happier, safer and better off. If a snake is a snake, it's a snake and you don't call it a fuzzy puppy just because a puppy would have been nicer.
I am glad her descendants took up for her virtue and put George in the damnable light he deserved.
The guy who said she was “rather ugly” had me dying. He was a savage
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I immediately thought, this man is a moron, does he fully expect to be taken seriously, with a comment like that? Sexuality has nothing to do with personal appearance... also, I have no understanding of his standards, if the drawing shown onscreen was accurate, the woman was not ugly in the least bit. When I think of "ugly" I think of maybe Janet Reno, or something? Idk. I try not to think that shallow. The material world is nothing if it isn’t lying.
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I can't lie. Most of every actress who has portrayed her looked better than she did.
I've always seen Queen Victoria as the standard of the grieving widow. But to hear her described as being "plunged into the ecstasy of grief" brings it to an entirely different level of understanding.
As a Royal, she was unable to relieve her sexual desires after Albert died. Others of a lesser status would have found a way out with lovers, etc. No wonder she withdrew into herself.
@@applefruit4176 I don't see that happening !
"Unduly wallowing in grief longer than seemly" springs to mind...
She never forgave her son
@christopherpattison7877 men, too mourned a dead love a lot. Like the uncle of the protagonist of the secret garden who never remarried, moped around in a depressed state , acted like a workaholic and generally ignored everything around him for like 10 years until his 10 year old niece shows him how to live a normal life again via showing him that she managed to get his 12 year old son to get up and walk after the boy had spent years bedridden or in a wheelchair. Behold the impossible ❤❤
Ummm... Victoria and Albert fought A LOT. She resented his interference with her rule. Eventually they compromised and Albert took on many worthwhile projects, but at first they were at serious odds with each other. It was a loving marriage but hardly perfect, as Victoria herself would forget. The "perfect" marriage doesn't exist and even these days we put too much pressure on each other to have successful relationships.
This is more about how Victoria and Albert's marriage SEEMED perfect to people of their time and how that perfect persona put up such a high bar for everyone else's marriage and ultimately reinforced societal pressures for perfect matrimonial bliss.
Albert was determined to become King, especially after the lessons Uncle Leopold of Belgium passed along to him after he was widowed when the Heiress Presumptive Charlotte died during birth. Leopold continued to be invited, and he was given the Belgian throne. He made sure his nephew was educated and ready to assume kingship, even as the Mountbattens hoped Philip would become king, over QEII. Of course, Albert was a severe workaholic ; for thr power? To get away from Victoria's cloying , crazy moods?
Those emotional extremes evident in Victoria, and even her uncles, remain evident in the UK royal family . They are all so tightly corked emotionally, it's they way they survive, until this day.
This video is about their private relationship with regard to romance and physical intimacy and how this both affected and sometimes contrasted with their public image. It has nothing to do with them seeing eye to eye politically.
@@magicpainthorse The Crown is not a documentary. It's a historical drama, some of which has been altered to elevate the entertainment value.
@@meeeka How could either Albert or Philip have possibly become king? There wasn't any legal provision for that.
When my husband told me that I had to “obey him” I left my wedding rings on kitchen bench and left 🏃🏼♀️
Hopefully, you never went back to him.
Rightly so. If you're telling another human to obey you.....that human is a human you dont respect. Period. Pretty obvious. To me, at least.
Congratulations.
Good for you.
I want to obey my husband, he's a good man.
Lady Flora died of liver cancer, not stomach cancer and it was not shortly after it was diagnosed. She lived a bit over two more months--long enough to express concern about the upcoming medieval Eglinton Tournament and concern that a participant might die. Her concerns were ignored for that too.
Caroline’s story is heartbreaking… All she wanted was a friend, and all she had was an abusive husband.
I’m so happy she hung in there though. She was a creative and hard-working soul who fought for her beliefs and her independence (albeit only quasi-true)
Among other things, she used the existing laws to her advantage, and made her life with Norton so unpleasant that he almost begged her to divorce him, anyway.
@@shahancheong9792 how did she make it unpleasant? Especially when he was physically abusive? She must been a brave woman
@@articxunodorseggnej8016 in Victorian times, the law dictated that when a woman married, EVERYTHING that she owned became the property of her husband. All her money, all her property, all her income - everything. This was because it was assumed that the husband would provide for her, therefore, why does SHE need it? Right?
The problem with this is that EVERYTHING that the woman owns becomes the property of her husband - EV-VER-ERY - THING.
That includes ANY and ALL DEBTS that she accrues. They don't belong to her - they belong to her HUSBAND. She doesn't, she can't, and she's NOT EXPECTED to pay her own debts - HER HUSBAND DOES THAT FOR HER. That's how the law works.
So what did she do? She ran up a GIGANTIC debt just going on shopping-sprees and stuff like that. Creditors came calling. "Where's our money!?"
"Don't ask me! Ask my husband!"
So they did!...and it turned his life into a living hell.
@@shahancheong9792 he should’ve divorced her not used her as a punching bag, have some humane decency. You wouldn’t be understanding if someone kicked a dog for being noisy would you
@@urmom90210 divorce her? And lose all that sweet, sweet money she was pulling in? No way.
It's easy to enforce rigid rules on sexuality when you have such a bangin' marriage.
Right? Its like "why isn't everyone as happy and pious as us??" Its like "maybe you're the exception and really really lucky"!
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Fellatio, cunnilingus, and anilingus, were consider highly improper for a respectable wife to engage in, so the men used prostitution and/or mistresses for the kinky sex acts. The ‘respectable’ wife’s only sexual activity was the missionary position, and she could not show any signs of pleasure. WOW, such fun!
Some women never engaged in sex with their husbands after children were conceived. Their wifely duty was done, as sex was only to make babies, not for pleasure. Some wives would sneak a lover, keeping hubby in the dark. They all had the illusion of respectability.
Hookers and mistresses were in demand I’m sure.
Victorian era…..prime and proper………..🤣
@@mchapman132 old era: you cant satisfy yourself respectably so you satisfy yourself secretly
Modern era: you try to satisfy yourself fucking everything, anything, anywhere, and everywhere mr d can go in, but you still cant satisfy yourself but ended with broken heart, diseases, unwanted kid, and abortion.
@@mchapman132 Don't forget STIs LOL. Also I'm sure it didn't help that some upper class marriages weren't really out of love.
9:40 “Albert was now 19” not the actor looking like he’s in his late 30s or 40s though 💀
I thought exactly that as well lol
My thoughts exactly. He's at least 40 but more likely pushing 50 .... Nice looking, anyway
Looking at pictures though, a lot of them looked older back then. I guess since they’ve seen some shit.
Albert had a thick ass and legs in the picture of them getting married.
Life was hard back then and people aged fast in looks so maybe that was why they picked him
Well, for Victoria, the fact she actually loved her husband, was already a big big advantage. She first saw him at 12 years old and already then she felt attracted to him. She wrote about it in her diary as well. When they met later, she still had feelings for him. She didn't have doubts about marrying him at all. She described his manners and his looks as most pleasing in her diary. When he died, she mourned his death until the end of her own death.
Too bad for lady Flora though. She had a tumor and doctor Clark, who misdiagnosed her, also misdiagnosed Victoria`s daughter at later time.
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Queen Elizabeth first met Prince Phillip when she was 13, and had already decided she really loved him. Eventually she married him.
How sweet.
COUSINNNSSSSS
I met a half first cousin at age 21. He looked so much like a young picture of my very handsome grandfather and had his way with conversation. I had to keep reminding myself that he and I are first cousins...well half. I can see how first cousins can be very attracted to each other. Often one will look like a particularly attractive elder of the family, and the culture of the family is familiar and comfortable. He looked like my handsome grandfather (he was a half, as grandfather was a scandalous sort in his s young years and had extramarital affairs), and I turned out to look like my grandmother...who looked like that young man's grandmother. I had red hair like that cousin's grandmother, and was fairly attractive I was told as a young woman. If he thought his grandmother was an attractive person as everyone saw my grandfather, it might explain the way he was so focused on me in conversation. As for culture? His household was never part of my family's "culture", but they seemed to have the same easy conversational manner. After such a meeting, I think I understand how cousin mariage was so common and stood the test of time. One would know from very young if one were compatible with a person, as well as their family. The family matters. Family destroys as many marriages as money and affairs.
@@dgeneeknapp3168 So you are saying you were attracted to your own cousin and he looked like your "very handsome grandfather", so you were attracted to your grandfather as well?! My goodness people are sick as hell !! Keep it to yourself, please. That is so sick and perverse. I couldn't imagine writing a comment to share those horrendous thoughts with the world. How embarrassing.
When Victoria died as part of showing grief and mourning her death the New South Wales government ordered all government furniture to be painted black. Decades later when the higher quality pieces were sold off or restored the ugly black paint was stripped away revealing beautiful timber underneath with was then stained and varnished to a brilliant shine. Some of the finest Australian cedar furniture was uncovered in this process.
Really? I'd never heard about that. It was amazing how the whole empire loved Queen Victoria. There's a wonderful statue of her in Adelaide. I'm sorry from Victoria.
I have a soft spot for antique stuff especially lamps and candle holders and ink wells
@@garycarpenter2980 I actually have an old public service desk from a slightly later era. I purchased ot at Auction when my former workplace was closed and a lot of the contents sold. It was made somewhere between 1901 and 1940. It was in terrible condition with a top that was cut to fit it inot a small space and broken drawers and loose legs. The top was also badly stained with old engine oil. It is now restored and I am using it as an office desk replacing a piece of crap from Ikea.
My father found two of those pieces , both curio cabinets at a yard sale in Ontario, in early 70s. Being British he recognized the oval glass fronts as being Victorian. He scratched off the black paint at the back and knew immediately they were a treasure. He bought both for a song and after stripping off paint and restoring them, my mother enjoyed them until her death in 1995. Now my sister and I each have one.
I'd like to subscribe to more furniture facts.
George Norton was a total bastard wasn’t he. Poor Caroline, we should all be forever grateful and proud of the real legislative change that she brought about for all women. Due to her experience in her dreadful marriage, Caroline used this to lobby and improve the rights of all woman and their children too.
Caroline brought about what some call the first piece of feminist legislation. Caroline went on to contribute to two other pieces of legislation regarding women’s rights. Caroline did all of this in the 1800s, decades before women got the right to vote in the early 1900s.
Thanks Caroline, thank you from the bottom of my heart ❤️
@Elle - It's obviously a metaphorical statement. 😁
Women had to pave the road against a patriarchal society that was all about power and control.
Yes she should have walked away from him
Took the kids in a buggy when he was gone and hid in the country somewhere
@@coconut569 So easy for you to say that, but women had nowhere to go, and few had their own money to support themselves, and if they left their husbands they were penalised by Society.
@@alicehudson8079 I see Really a nightmare. Shew!
Nothing says pure, unadulterated, royal love built on virtue and morality, *like marrying your first cousin.*
It was done all throughout history and only up until maybe 100 years ago did it taper off. It is legal in most of the states in the US and are probably still is legal in Europe. I don't understand why people act like this is so surprising.
@@celestebivin1659 Oh, I'm not surprised. But to correct, marrying your first cousin is legal in about half of the United States, sadly. Marrying your second cousin however is legal in all the United States. Idk about Europe. Even though it's legal it's extremely taboo for the most part, as it should be. It's disgusting and you have a really great chance of fucking up your children by marrying incestuously. Because that's what it is, incest. Countless case studies have been done about this and 3 of Queen Victoria's children had hemophilia, one of which died a horrible death after hemorrhaging internally after a fall. There is also concern that that hemophilia could crop up again in British Royal family members, particularly from Princess Beatrices Spanish line from silent carriers. Moral of the story, maybe let's not glorify romantically being involved with your family members. Say what you want about Queen Victoria's passionate love affair with Albert, it's gross, but back then they didn't know any better, but we do now. Don't fuck your first cousin.
@@celestebivin1659 yes. But in breeding caused so many genetic, physical and mental disorders on the Royal houses. Have you read about some mad kings and queens, especially in Spain. There was also one who was had like, green skin because of inbreeding. Queen Victoria was such a fan of this though, to keep power and wealth within the family. even her own children intermarried with their relatives.
@@celestebivin1659 its incest!
@@JustYourAverageGirl2002 Well, to tell you the truth I know from where you're coming from and to a degree even support what you even mentioned above, but on an emotional level... OUCH! THAT REALLY HURTS! especially when you said gross and disgusting and maybe I'm baised as much as you becuase to me, in our religion it's fine and ok to marry our cousins! It's not gross or disgusting to me... It's normal and so far I never heard about anyone in the family struggling from any illnesses or whatnot! and I hope you won't be offended by disaggring with you on this, but my cousin is NOT my brother or my sister and never will be... they're family...
Such an incredible documentary. My son is British and I am Zambian and he constantly asks me questions about the Victorian era. We are both learning because we are both fascinated about how they influenced the entire world as we know it.
How can you have a British son, if you are Zambian? Sorry if that's a stupid question.
@@elvenkind6072I would guess that the other parent is British and their child was born and is being raised in Britain. he might have mixed genetics, but it's logical the he is considered British. alternatively, adoption is a thing and although much rarer, it could also be that. a zambian parent adopting a British son.
Id be horrified to let my daughter sit on her “womanizer” uncle’s lap 😳
Eh, he went after grown women, not children.
Just because he was a womaniser doesn't mean he was a pedophile
Except all power, position , money and autonomy emanated from him.
@@TabbyeLynne just because he was a womanizer, doesn't mean he *wasn't* a pedophile.
Tbh at least the actor uncle he didn’t come off as a creeper I’m not sure about her other uncles. Wouldn’t be surprised.
The fact that Albert choose Mr. Brown for Victoria shows how much he loved her. He really knew her very well. He knew she needed someone like Brown to keep her company and set her straight when she went overboard. I wonder if Albert knew she would survive him? It's a shame that their friendship was misconstrued as something other then the platonic match that it was.
He didn’t choose him for Victoria but for himself!
Brown served Albert for 10 years until the Prince died, first then Brown begann to serve Queen Victoria.
“…set her straight when she went overboard…” 🙄
@@TheRossspija Yes, if she went overboard. Not because she was a woman but because she was a *ruler.* Rulers do absolutely need someone around them who *isn't* a yes-man and who is not afraid to give them a reality check.
"and he is wearing nothing but the queen of Lydia" XD
that line got me
I think that line got everyone
Yezzzzz, thatz right! Lmaorotf! 😄👍
My favorite quote of this whole video 😂
Yes!!! I died laughing!!!!!!!!
I have so much respect for these women who did "their thing" (despite the consequences) and who were able to turn their situation around.
Nothin' like being "chased" while wearing five slips, two giant hoops, three skirts and no bloomers.
"You're the Reason I'm No Married."
I dont know why people look to the Victorian era with such fondness and romanticism. It was one of the worst times for women. For me the only thing quaint about that era were perhaps the clothing. They looked nice, but I'm damn glad I dont have to wear such trapping garb. No thank you.
Yeah honestly I think they just like the aesthetic of it? But yeah women were very oppressed in that era but I think people romanticise it without emphasizing the whole grim women exploitation thing. I read comics and e-books romanticising this theme and I see that instead of following the social norms back then, authors give it this modern independent norm to the characters and just keep that Victorian aesthetic
Just so you know it's majority of women who fantasizes Victorian Era 🙃
@@tofuububu even IF that were true (which you have not cited any sources to back up this claim so its basically an opinion at this point and not a fact,) I don't think modern women's fascination with the victorian era has anything remotely to do with the oppression or lifestyles of women and more about the style of clothing they wore.
Yeah, the fashion and interior design were nice, but it would be terrible to live back then
Other comments already kind of pointed this out but there's nothing wrong with appreciating the aesthetics of a particular era. That doesn't mean we agree with 100% of what happened during that era or that you have to necessarily love everything about an era to enjoy some aspects of it. There are lots of things wrong with our current society too, so do we just never appreciate anything ever then?
A word about the production value of this video, they are very well done. Beautiful scenes both inside and out, costuming, continuity well done, narration excellent. From start to finish a very well-done piece. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I love these documentaries so much. Thanks a lot for your hard work and time put in to create them.
You get to know thing's that you never knew about
@WTFW what do you mean by that?
“(condoms) were tied with ribbon, which was rather sweet”
just the mental image of a blue satin bow like the kind on gift boxes of chocolate makes me laugh 😂
I think it's kind of intimate and sexy really -- or could be -- especially if the woman does the tying. :)
Im sure it rather worked like a C&*$ Ring as well.
The woman who delivered that line was delightful. Is that Kristin Scott-Thomas?
😭
Crazy how in those days a man could mess around with as many women as he wanted married or not, and only if he were caught and bought before court than he could be sued but the wife could and would lose everything; house, kids, property and the ability to support herself.
well today things are a bit better but still...
but in a divorce the ex-wife now gets half of what the husband earns, even if she played absolutely no role in how much he makes.
@@dariusanderton3760 Then do not get married.
Crazy how you believe everything you see.
@@dariusanderton3760 Or in my case, they give it to the husband even if he played no role in how assets were acquired...
The Victorian era was STRANGE!
@Cj C Same here a person puts their hands on me I'm beating their ass.
The queen was strange herself,passing her family disease to her kids and then they passed it on to their own cousins
Not as strange as NOW!
The Victorian era was strange, only to be exceeded in strangeness by the present.
@@EmilyTienne How so?
If I hear "mustachey-Os" again I will vomit.
Pistachios, mustachey-os, spagghetti-os
Orange Ziggy, I'm going to have to agree with you. Much eye-rolling here...
Mustacios
When I was in junior high,my gym coach had always worn a handlebar mustache and my mom met him once and she didn't like it,she wasn't fond of beards or taches
😂😂😂😂
I love the scene with the historian describing condoms of the day, "It was tied on with a ribbon, which was rather sweet."
Women throughout history didn’t have the short end of the stick, they had no stick.
truth
Freud misunderstood this as penis envy. No dude, we’ve just wanted the stick.
Obviously their men couldn't trust them with the stick, lest they use it against their husband... ;-)
They have the forrest now
@@bw1357 How to show you are an incel without actually saying it.
“Caroline went on to live a bohemian life mixed with artists and writers”
Go ahead on, Caroline- live your best life honey!
Why when we hear the words, virtuous and purity, do we automatically believe it refers to the subject of sex? How about real moral virtue and real moral purity?
As a Christian yes 🙌🏼
Unfortunately, society does not value ANY virtue or purity anymore.
@@djholliday4413 being a virgin doesn’t make you pure, and having sex doesn’t make you dirty
Testify!
@@joygernautm6641 I didn't say it did or it didn't. We are discussing moral purity.. However, we live in an over sexualized society where children are exposed to sex 24/7. We can't watch TV or look on the internet without seeing sex, gender dysmorphia & homesexuality. Pornography has taken over. Now...do whatever feels good...whatever you want goes, right? How about some self respect? I'm not a perfect person myself, but I do have morals and standards. Those are lacking in the world today.
Poor Flora. I appreciate that this documentary showed how the examination would’ve been for her. Painful and humiliating.
I was pregnant twice, and had many cervix checks (what happened to her).
If you aren’t dilated, it is pretty flipping painful.
Lady Flora...I'm so sorry 😞 they do owe you an apology
I think they are all dead.
“Cause she was very ugly.” Ah….British tv
I know, right? I was just listening to this but I had to stop and take a look at the fool who judged a smart woman for her looks as if she was less deserving of attention. That should have been edited out of the final cut, it offered nothing to the documentary.
Seriously is it so hard to believe that people enjoyed being around her because she was smart and interesting not because she had supernatural pheromones coming out of her ears.
The comment about Mary Ann Evans by the pointless, awful old man was just purile sexism, and it certainly did not add anything to the documentary.
@@skadi84 There’s nothing wrong with what he said. He was just being frank and honest about the nature of attraction.
@@Miquelalalaa that was purely his own openion.... It shouldnt have been on vedio.
Wasn't it Victoria that asked her mother about her wedding night, and what to expect....and her mother said just closed your eyes and think of England? A famous quote I think...
No.Victoria told her daughter to think of England when She arranged loveless marriage for her.
they didn't "know how to drop their knickers" because no-one wore any until the mid-late 19th Century, and even then they were crotchless
ha ha touche!
Oh my🤭
The crotch less part was actually meant for going to the restroom because of the huge dresses with all the layers. They had to be able to go without removing all of the layers.
"Albert was 19." **35-year-old exits the carriage**
That threw me off too 😂
Please never stop making videos, or at this length, episodes. This was fascinating to watch.
this era was basically everyone having double standards
(edit: to the people who think I said double standards don't exist in our era tho I never even said that at all, yes double standards still exist today and I'm pretty sure we're all aware of it lol I just made a random comment about that specific era, stop overthinking my comment and have a good day)
Kimi, I think your comment should be placed right at the very top of all the comments!! Correct you are!!
So is this one.
@@jh2325 lmao you're right about that
Probably every era tbh. I think you'll find double standards held by society in any age
was????
The poor actress playing Mary Ann Evans, she is lovely! Can you imagine auditioning to play someone described as ‘ugly’?!
I mean I would . Money is money !
She's homely not ugly
Not ugly. Handsome.
I wouldn't say she was ugly at all. 'Homely' or 'plain' would be more like it. However, I have no doubt that her fascinating mind and what she spoke of would have likely made her a very magnetic person to be around. It's funny how someone can be 'not conventionally attractive' but genuinely intelligent and confident in themselves, and come across as being quite attractive as a result - the sort of person whom you can't look away from when they speak.
Similarly there have been a few people I've seen and met who were very attractive but who had really bad personalities and, in my eyes, became increasingly unattractive as a result of it. My sister's abusive boyfriend was one such example; I had a bit of a crush on him originally (because he seemed the poster boy for 'tall, dark and handsome'), until I spent a holiday at her place and found out how he secretly treated my sister. Hearing the things he said to her when he didn't know I was there, and seeing the uncontrollable rages he would fly into, made him unbearably ugly in my eyes - that's when I first understood that an attractive face is just a thin vaneer when there's ugliness underneath, and once that vaneer is lifted, there is only the ugliness left.
Thanks!
this might be a weird question to ask but i wanna know who narrated this video. she has a great articulation of words and perfectly soft-spoken.
The way Victoria couldn't get over Albert's death, makes me wonder how good the D was...like, damn.
Or maybe she just love him so much sometimes when you lose somebody you love so much is hard to get over it no matter how much time has pass
I mean, it was the best (only) D she ever had lol
They married at 20 and lived and shared their entire lives together. I'd imagine it'd be like apart of yourself died.
It's called HAVING STRONG DEEP FEELINGS for each other. Not everything revolves around cock, you know
😂😂😂 must’ve been pretty good for her
The artwork/sculptures are absolutely breathtaking
I like how they actually have him say "give me your little paw". Victoria wrote about it in her diary
I knew Victoria loved Albert, but I had no idea how deeply in love they both were. This has actually made me really sad and I'm borderline ready to cry, which is ridiculous because I never cry, for anything. I'm getting soft in my old age.
To be softened by the recognition of love is surely a sign of wisdom…
it is because now that ur old you have experienced life’s emotions so you can feel what they felt now .
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Actually Albert was quite uncomfortable with victorias intense affection with him at the beginning. He really went through with the marriage because it was his “duty” and he had be raised since he was young to fulfill the role as her husband
You’re also getting weirder.
Love the risky commentary throughout the video. It really brings to life the story and puts a current perspective on past events that transcribe through time. Honestly I have learned more about history across the world than all of my regular schooling and go to my college degrees. If my teachers would take their cues from UA-cam to teach so many more people would learn and retain the information because it was put in a way that made it interesting.
In all probability, if history lessons were anything to go by when I went to school in Scotland in the fifties. So boring, when in actuality history is exciting and endlessly fascinating, not just the kings and queens, but the lives of the ordinary people. Just be careful who's telling the tales, though, there's an awful lot of shi** on youtube and I've had to turn some things off because of the horrendous errors. Sloppy work.
My history teachers either didn t make an appearance or , the One that DID, were boring beyond words
True
It should also be considered how Albert’s familial experience may have shaped their morals as well. Albert’s older brother, Ernest II, suffered from STIs which made him unable to have children and also possibly made his wife infertile. Eventually one of Victoria’s sons was made his heir and his immorality was always a point of embarrassment for Victoria and Albert
The older gentleman in the red sweater is my new favorite person. “I thought she should tell Isaac to go take a running jump.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Who was that dusty man at 26:00 talking about "she must've been very sexy" and "she was very ugly...horse face"? What an unnecessary bit that undermines the entire point of sexual and economical liberation for women at the time. I'm glad all of Mary's accomplishments and connections being boiled down to her physical appeal.
This is the second account I've seen/heard of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert. If it is true, she was a very blessed woman. I actually teared up at his dying and her broken heart. I can only imagine losing the first and only great love of your life.
at least she HAD a great love, and for quite some years. She scored better than many of us.
Victoria was ugly for a princely quen
Anne Brontë’s The Tenant of Wildfell Hall describes the challenges faced by women who fled horrible husbands
Underrated novel & underrated Bronte.
Therefore choose wisely.
One of my favorites!
What is the remedy to get away from a horrible woman with your health and wealth intact?
@@bw1357 that’s a tough one but this isn’t the right place to ask. I do feel for men going through the same thing although a lot of people don’t believe it happens.
This is an outstanding post. I could never see beyond the intricate threads of the Victorian society and understand the profound effects those rigid moral values had on individual lives. New subscriber here. Keep up the exquisite work!
Thank you, Absolute History. I always look forward to your new upload and rewatch old videos. I find every topic fascinating!
They should still apologize to that Lady's family if any still living
If any descendants are still alive
And what's that going to fix? She's not going to wake up from the dead smh
You got something there but still it wouldn't hurt cause they do it here just to make up for it
Are you serious?
@@garycarpenter2980 It happened a long time ago bro it's like apologizing to chikens cause dinosaurs don't exist anymore or some shit
I don’t know why this was recommended to me but it was lovely, thank you. Informative, entertaining and the narrating lady has a very soothing voice.
This was very, very well produced. I absolutely loved it! One thing though, I saw another documentary about Queen Victoria’s life and their conclusion was there definitely was a sexual relationship between her and her burly Scot. Victoria had given a companion an excerpt of a kind of autobiography that included information about her interactions with him. Her friend was absolutely scandalized and told her she couldn’t include the passages because it would convince everyone the gossip about them was true. Also, when Victoria died, there was a funeral procession that included a kind of open carriage that displayed her body; similarly like you would see at a funeral showing. Clasped in her hands was something of Albert’s that was clearly seen and easily identifiable. What people didn’t see was a similar keepsake from the Scot hidden underneath were it wouldn’t be seen. It was like Albert was her first husband and John was her second, or at least that’s how it was interpreted.
Slick production, but still a bit tawdry and tendentious as an allegedly historical documentary.
Where do you get the information about an "open carriage". All the pictures I saw of that cold, dreary January day show a closed casket set upon Albert's gun carriage. So, where do you get the info of an open carriage from?
I loved the acting of the actress that played the very young Victoria. I wonder if she continued acting.
Emily blunt, I think her name is. Really beautiful, not like the true Victoria though ....
@@farfallinaazzurra5318 No not Emily Blunt, but I don’t know who.
Jenna Coleman?
I appreciate the amount of work and efforts put into the film , I’ve always found my interest in history ,literature and art .Instead of studying for my science exam here I am admiring every bit of the absolute presentation.
" she must've been quite sexy" "and she was very ugly" what a turn
Some people can have sexy appeal, but not be aesthetically pleasing. That's probably what he meant. Some people exude so much sex appeal and self-confidence, that you don't mind them not being seen as "traditionally" beautiful or handsome.
Yeah that to me aback tbh. But the portrait of her... she was gorgeous!
Also, brains are hot
Lol
I don't find her ugly at all---it was because she had strong features, which were the opposite of the ideal at the time. That portrait of her is lovely and strong...and amazing eyes of intelligence and feeling...
They have carefully left out one more dominant male figure in Queen Victoria's later life period. Mohammed Abdul Karim (1863 - 20 April 1909), also known as "the Munshi", was an Indian attendant of Queen Victoria. ... Victoria appointed him to be her Indian Secretary, showered him with honors, and obtained a land grant for him in India. He served her during the final fourteen years of her reign. But that didn't stop her, aged 68, from starting another alleged intimate relationship with Muslim servant Abdul Karim, 24. She wrote him letters signed with flurries of kisses. They were destroyed by her son, King George VII when she died and erased all facts relating to the Queen with this Munshi ('Munshi' means in Urdu, a teacher because he used to teach her Urdu language, as well along with other responsibilities).
*Edward VII
@@mygoogle1594 Thanks for the correction.
Yes. You have to be pretty darn nasty to send staff on a trip that will take them close to a yr (round trip), just to go to a foreign country to destroy someone else's personal property. Then travel all the way back to your own place of origin once the task us complete. Couldn't imagine how demoralized Abdul Karim and his family must have felt after the incident. For that matter I wonder how his descendants felt throughout the intervening decades.
I've heard this story when I was a young teen from my dad. He always told us stories with moral & ethical standards attached to it or a lack thereof. He said she tarnished all the good the king & she had.
Very interesting and well done, thank you for posting this.
This was beautifully put together the re-enactments and music really captured my attention.
A very happy marriage in most respects, but they had the most massive stand-up rows with Victoria throwing things and both shouting at each other from room to room. There was also a lot of resentment on Albert's part that he wasn't in control of anything, which she made a point of reminding him of. She was always on the alert for him trying to act like a king.
Still, they loved each other, which was the important thing.
He did, however, get to be the architect and overseer of the construction of The Crystal Palace which burnt down in 1937.
He used his influence to improve the circumstances of the poor, too. Truly a wonderful human being
The British people would not have stood for being ruled by a foreign prince, and Victoria knew that. Show me a marriage without an argument, I don't believe there's ever been one.
Beautifully put together. As an American I'm in love with learning about British history. Absolutely addicted to this channel!
When Victoria became queen she never did anything to improve the lives of women but make it worst. She may have a good marriage, but she never cares about other women. In my head, she hates her own gender. Victoria was fortunate to pick her own man, but refused other women the choice, always marrying them off for political purposes. I don't like Victoria at all she is someone in history that I see as part of the women's troubles and hill treatment, while Victoria sat on the throne commanding even her own husband other women can't even own their own inheritance it belongs to their husband when they get married.
I agree that she seemed to hate her gender. I wonder if that stems from how little control she actually had in her life as both a woman & as Queen. She was looked down on both literally & figuratively. Perhaps she tried to distance herself from her sex so that she could be taken more seriously by the men around her. She was surrounded by uneducated women for a large part of her life, with her mother not allowing her to rise to the level intellectually of what you would expect of a future monarch. Also, her hatred for being pregnant seems to really hammer the nail in the coffin. It would’ve made her weak & put in a position where her power was taken away. There was probably some trauma there that mixed with her more traditional views.
Despite her views, her leadership role did inspire women to join the feminist movement. Not only in the UK, but across the pond as well. Yes she did very little when it comes to improving the lives of women, but it wasn’t revealed how she really felt about women having rights until after her death. And boy did she seem to oppose the idea. But during her reign, she was used as an example by suffragists to push forward their ideals & the idea that if she could rule, why couldn’t other women have that power too?
So yeah, she hated her gender but she unintentionally made some impact on women’s rights. I find it hard to condemn her when she herself was uneducated & sheltered for a large part of her upbringing, with no one to really challenge the views of those around her.
Victoria honestly seemed to hate people in general, besides her intimate circle of people whom she was charmed by and possibly helped to sustain the little bubble she lived in. She was also a pretty awful mother, to boot.
I find it funny that they thought it perfectly fine to marry cousins. My great grandfather was a cousin to his wife.
Queen Victoria and Prince Albert were first cousins.
@@rachelclark7782 if my research is correct so were my ancestors.
My great-grandparents were also first cousins. Very common.
cousin marriage is much much less risky compared to sibling marriage
@@citrusbutter7718 Alabama 🐌
"The doctor certified she was a virgin, but confusion remained."
What the hell? lol
lmfaooo
Thanks to the delusions of immaculate conception (as is the foundations of Christianity), it was easy to imagine pregnant virgins
I got to the end... "Why did I just spend an hour learning about Victorian relationships"
-huh... Go figure.
I read an old 1970s book back in 1993 or 94 that uncovered that Victoria kept Albert very busy in the chambers so much so that he couldn't cheat on her like so many husbands did during that time. Death by exhaustion must've been a real deal back then. 🤔
i feel like this today
Lol
I really, really enjoyed this! The way you weaved together the juxtaposition of the women's lives was an interesting way to do it.
As is usually the case with British historical productions, this was exquisitely done. Excellent, informative, and enjoyed immensely! U.S. productions cannot compete, come even close. I say this as an American totally in love with all things British, and after spending years in Europe 💞👍
There are plenty of excellent American documentaries, actually. What in the world are you even talking about?? Just stop. I'm tired of people talking sh** about anything American. America has accomplished everything that every other country has, many times BETTER than them. Everyone and their Mother wants to move to and live in America! The problem is that those in the U.S.A really don't want most of you coming there, (truthfully). But they can't keep the caravans of people trying to emigrate here 0UT, Unfortunately!
omg this comment… America is the US and is not paradise as you want to see…not anymore. Im sorry that you still in this mindset and i wish you a happy life wherever you choose to be
How ignorant of you. If you struggle to find quality documentaries in America, that speaks to a lack of thoroughness on your part, as there are dozens, if not hundreds, of beautifully well done American documentaries in existence. And as a side note, you can uplift one without putting down another. Classless.
@@russellishihara8390 Oh please, put on your big boy pants, grow up. Reality check: opinions are exactly that. News flash: the only ones dying to get into the U.S. are those literally dying and worse off where they were. Countless American's live in Europe, I've met them, and have zero desire to return to the U.S. Why? Because those who've experienced living there, like myself, quickly find out America is NOT the greatest place on Earth. Don't believe it? Educate yourself. Watch the documentary "Sicko," and find out what other countries, not third world ones, REALLY think of the U.S. Better yet, go live in another country long-term before speaking from your naive perspective.
@@sorayaforest5659 Yet another poorly thought out comment, a response that has nothing to do with my post. Are you kidding? No one in their right minds comes even close to seeing America as "paradise." It's not a mindset, it's based on world travel, and actually living abroad. European roots and history go much further back than the U.S. Therefore, when it comes to presenting that history, they outshine American's doing so. By the way, there there is something called "opinions." Having them does not make one unhappy or happy. Seriously? My guess is you're very young and therefore deeply into being politically correct. Not me.
Every video from this channel is an absolute delight. So well done and interesting. Thank you!
Queen Victoria and her reign in my mind will always be the most interesting time period ever.
I can never get enough of it.
Thanks so much for these documentaries I love watching them I'm very appreciative of them 😊
They are pretty neat.
When I read the thumbnail Victorian marriage I felt sorry for all those women already.
It's always touching and endearing to know someone had true love and fortunate contentment with another after all ❤️
Love this channel as a history addict
Narration: Albert was nineteen
Visuals: the guy is like 40 if he's a day