Thelemic Magick, OTO, A∴A∴ with Marco Visconti

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  • @drangelapuca
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  • @Davlavi
    @Davlavi 2 роки тому +13

    This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.🙏

  • @adrianhdragon718
    @adrianhdragon718 Рік тому +6

    Let All Thelemites Be Blessed with Healing, Joy, Protection, Prosperity, Love, Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Regeneration, Strength & Will. 93/93

  • @LEE444S
    @LEE444S Рік тому +1

    This is truly insightful and inspiring.
    Looking forward to future episodes
    Sending you all the deepest Love 💋

  • @shivasmight369
    @shivasmight369 Рік тому +6

    I'll love to see one on Manly P Hall, Thank you

  • @craigheldreth
    @craigheldreth 2 роки тому +16

    Terrific guest and interview. Please invite him back after his book is out.

  • @AngelGothica-es7vv
    @AngelGothica-es7vv Рік тому +4

    Awesome thank you both you totally cleared a lot of things up for me.

    • @drangelapuca
      @drangelapuca  Рік тому +3

      Glad it was helpful!

    • @AngelGothica-es7vv
      @AngelGothica-es7vv Рік тому +1

      @@drangelapuca going to have to watch it over, just so I soak it in :) thank you again..

  • @kariannecrysler640
    @kariannecrysler640 2 роки тому +3

    Thank you both for the time and for sharing.

  • @Vignanello555
    @Vignanello555 2 роки тому +6

    Tremendous, how Marco speaks spontaneously while developing topics so systematically that Angela can identify time segments when each focus is revealed!

    • @MarcoVisconti
      @MarcoVisconti 2 роки тому +1

      🙏

    • @jmp01a24
      @jmp01a24 Рік тому

      @@MarcoVisconti You should have mentioned that the A:.A:. has lineage, through Crowley, from the "Great White Brotherhood", as described in Eckartshausen's 'A cloud uopn the sanctuary' a book that made a huge impact on Crowley's path from The order of the Golden Dawn and his later spiritual endeavours. It's important to highlight what sources that inspired Crowley towards him receiving the book of the law.

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher1117 2 роки тому +5

    One thing that occurs to me in relation to the "high" and "low" magick distinction is that those just seem to be spatial metaphors for different "planes" of reality (to use another almost inevitably spatial metaphor) being addressed by the separate sets of practices. The idea that the subjects of ceremonial magickal practices lie on a "higher" plane than our everyday existence just sort of seems intuitive from the perspective of someone who has never actually experienced such a plane (and, statistically speaking, probably grew up with some sort of religious conditioning to understand spiritual entities as existing upwards from themselves in both the spatial and cosmically hierarchical sense).

    • @SK-XIIX
      @SK-XIIX 2 роки тому +3

      I agree. Dualistic ideas of "High and low", whether applied to Magick, or to consciousness, or to any other phenomena, dissolve away if/once the cosmos (and all things within the cosmos) are understood as being ever-expanding/contracting, ever-revolving/spinning, energising "amorphous spheres"; at least 'compositionally'...even when formless; in which there is *no* 'specific' directionality, but rather only simultaneous omni-directional projection/absorption/emantion/influence. Viz. "the unfragmentary non-atomic fact of my universality" (from the original manuscript of Liber Al vel Legis), the concept of the 0=2 formula, and the idea of the necessity of division: i.e. for the "chance of union".
      "For I am divided for love’s sake, for the chance of union. This is the creation of the world, that the pain of division is as nothing, and the joy of dissolution all". (Liber Al. 1: 29-30).

    • @andythedishwasher1117
      @andythedishwasher1117 2 роки тому

      @@SK-XIIX Very well put. Thanks for the nice piece of writing. :)

    • @SK-XIIX
      @SK-XIIX 2 роки тому +1

      ​@@andythedishwasher1117 Thanks. I've been trying to find a way to describe a particular state of being or condition of consciouseness, one of 'infinite perpetual motion': a state of 'non-axial' revolving and evolving... a constant 'breathing in, breathing out', expansion and contraction, absorbing energy from all planes, dimensions etc., and generating, emanating/projecting energy…potentially omni-directionally, but focused in accord with "pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result".
      In this I'm thinking of the Nuit-Hadit-RHK formula.
      My understanding is that the influence of any single star *upon* the universe is potentially infinite, as is the effect (again, potentially) upon any single star *from* any/all other energies in the universe; a postulate that first seems to appear... in the Thelemic canon... in Liber AL, (Ch1: Verses 3 & 4) and is what (I think) AC was defining under 'Theorems' in the Introduction to Magick in Theory and Practice, Part III of Book Four) ...as well as elsewhere.

    • @1JMoney
      @1JMoney 2 роки тому

      Low 'magick' is focused on trivial rubbish and ends in death, whereas the High established Eternal Foundation and Govt and spits on the useless low pig vulture parasites that have damned themselves by hate of the innocent in total solipsism, Damned to eternal Misery.

  • @flojo4228
    @flojo4228 2 роки тому +6

    Thank you for the livestream and for hosting Marco. Having learned Magick through Marco's teaching since 2018 and from the Magick Without Tears course over the last two years, I unreservedly recommend the three-month course starting on the 21st of this month, as it provided me with the necessary tools to engage with Thelema and to perform Magick, from a beginner level to a level of experience that enabled me to use it in a variety of ways. Thanks, Angela.

  • @dvowls120
    @dvowls120 8 місяців тому

    Wonderful interview!

  • @briannacery9939
    @briannacery9939 6 місяців тому

    I was practicing the yogic techniques given by SRF (Self Realization Fellowship) with Paramahansa Yogananda when I met Lon DuQuette. I practice both and it works. Yoganandas work helped me with Crowleys work.

  • @newangeltarot
    @newangeltarot 7 місяців тому

    Loved this video. So refreshing to listen to Marco and understand the details of both AA and OTO. TOTSS wasn't discussed, so would love to know more inside opinions on this school. This was really practical without the ego. Ex goth here too so would be interested to know if either of you like Italian darkwave like The Frozen Autumn ❄️🍂

  • @0wnter1d1ck
    @0wnter1d1ck Рік тому +1

    grazieeeeeee

  • @HermettiFlux
    @HermettiFlux Рік тому +2

    I found this informative very valuable

  • @andythedishwasher1117
    @andythedishwasher1117 2 роки тому +7

    When you talked about a comic book where you discovered Aleister Crowley in 1990, I was kinda floored to hear that it wasn't written by Alan Moore or Grant Morrison. Good to know that there have been some other authors following that rather potent current along its many potential vectors. I'll definitely try and check out Martin Mystere and see if I can maybe find an English translation or even learn some Italian for it.

    • @citizentuck
      @citizentuck 2 роки тому +3

      Yea lots of other people can write of these things. I had never hear grant Morison or Alan Moore mention Crowley until I started looking for them talking about him.

  • @SK-XIIX
    @SK-XIIX 2 роки тому +7

    Excellent interview as usual. Just one small technical point/observation. At 8:32, Marco stated: "In Thelema, there is no sin". This seems *not* to accord with the statement in Verse 41, Chapter One of Liber Al vel Legis, namely: "The word of Sin is Restriction".
    I appreciate that there is no 'sin' in the normally accepted (eg Christian) sense of the word, but I would suggest that within Thelema...as expressed through Liber Al and myriad other Thelemic texts...the idea of "Sin" is *not* rejected, but refers rather to the suppression or obstruction or denial ('Restriction") of the "pure will"...that this restriction of the original nature of the individual represents a 'sin' against the Self, against that pure will. Any thoughts?

    • @MarcoVisconti
      @MarcoVisconti 2 роки тому +3

      You are absolutely right, I did simplify things there.

    • @SK-XIIX
      @SK-XIIX 2 роки тому +3

      @@MarcoVisconti Thanks Marco. Great discussion. It's so refreshing to hear these topics addressed in such an informative and open way.

    • @1JMoney
      @1JMoney 2 роки тому +1

      Restrictions are the natural consequence of being a pig sinner.

    • @MarcoVisconti
      @MarcoVisconti 2 роки тому +1

      @@1JMoney there is no shame, there is no guilt, this is the Law: do what thou wilt.

    • @SK-XIIX
      @SK-XIIX 2 роки тому +1

      @@MarcoVisconti (& @J🌞 ETERNAL XRIST 🔥جِبْرِيل JER. 6, ISA DE TAV) .
      "Let it be that state of manyhood bound and loathing. So with thy all; thou hast no right but to do thy will.
      Do that, and no other shall say nay."
      And… most importantly:
      "For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect."

  • @SKOGLUND65
    @SKOGLUND65 2 роки тому +4

    Takk!

  • @nickgangadis8679
    @nickgangadis8679 2 роки тому +2

    Brilliant discussion, thank you both!

  • @ScarletDeath
    @ScarletDeath 2 роки тому +11

    I failed the A∴A∴ test because I didn't read the books. I figured I didn't read the books in regular college it might work for an invisible one but no lol

    • @badcooper235
      @badcooper235 Рік тому +3

      Lol that's hilarious

    • @Taliesin_McKnight
      @Taliesin_McKnight Рік тому +4

      Yeah, if you don't read the books, you don't pass and will not be accepted as a Probationer lol. When they say read these twenty or so books, they mean it lol. My test to pass and become a Probationer was much harder than any exam I've had in college.

    • @MercurialAscent
      @MercurialAscent Рік тому

      😂😆😂

    • @adrianhdragon718
      @adrianhdragon718 Рік тому +10

      Let All Thelemites Be Blessed with Healing, Joy, Protection, Prosperity, Love, Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, Regeneration, Strength & Will. 93/93

    • @lvxleather
      @lvxleather 7 місяців тому

      😂

  • @martinwilliams9866
    @martinwilliams9866 2 роки тому +4

    I've always felt that in the TV series "Supercar" Master Spy was Crowley & Zarrin his "friend" was Austin Osman Spare

  • @ouyardbird5172
    @ouyardbird5172 Рік тому +1

    How does a human being reconcile the requirements to achieve the highest level of consciousness and power? I have in me a voice that openly detest certain ritrials and workings that Crowley practiced. I respect you and by the very fact that you produce content for the betterment of your community tells me that your kindness is still in tact. Enjoyed your guest and your discussions. Hope the best to you. Thanks!

    • @childrenoftheabzu
      @childrenoftheabzu Рік тому +1

      Do what they preach and follow your own will. Dont be a joiner and follow your own path. Their way is not THE WAY. If youre not into something then dont practice it.

  • @ClaytonHardee
    @ClaytonHardee 2 роки тому +2

    Really enjoyed this interview, thank you for sharing!

  • @mandys1505
    @mandys1505 Рік тому +1

    great energy

  • @BVioletFCohen
    @BVioletFCohen 2 роки тому +2

    Great podcast and excellent information thanks for sharing with us, greetings from Texas USA.🖤

  • @leomontoya8185
    @leomontoya8185 2 роки тому +2

    Good morning

  • @angelorosini4326
    @angelorosini4326 2 роки тому +4

    Very informative thank you!

  • @astrogypsy
    @astrogypsy 2 роки тому +3

    Hola folks.

  • @michaelnesbit6447
    @michaelnesbit6447 2 роки тому +5

    Thanks!

  • @micksimmons8644
    @micksimmons8644 2 роки тому +3

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @irise.8607
    @irise.8607 Рік тому

    Success 222 your work!

  • @NorvelCooksey
    @NorvelCooksey 2 роки тому +1

    Always a great time ⌚ing your videos.

  • @texasnewt
    @texasnewt 2 роки тому +5

    Interested to know if Marco Visconti has an opinion of the writings of Lon Milo Duquette, such as his book on the Thoth Tarot? Also, what about the charter Crowley granted Gerald B. Gardner for initiating people into the O.T.O.?

    • @MarcoVisconti
      @MarcoVisconti 2 роки тому +8

      Hey... tried to answer this twice but the comment won't post. Third time lucky? About Lon: I really like his books! About Gerald Gardner: check out Rodney Orpheus article "A New and Greater Pagan Cult: Gerald Gardner & Ordo Templi Orientis", freely published on his website.

    • @texasnewt
      @texasnewt 2 роки тому +4

      @@MarcoVisconti Thank you so much, especially for the reference to Rodney Orpheus.

    • @natrlau2857
      @natrlau2857 2 роки тому +3

      @@MarcoVisconti hi, thank you so much, very informative! Please can o ask for what reasons did you leave O.T.O? I am thinking of joining (London). Also if you can reflect on your experience with AA in the same respect? Thank you so much

    • @JivecattheMagnificent
      @JivecattheMagnificent Рік тому +1

      @@natrlau2857 Hi Nat, did you join in the end? I was briefly involved with OTO in the UK some years ago (not the London lodge), but didn't really feel inspired to keep going with it, and gather that the camp I was part of kind of fizzled out. (Perhaps I am wrong about that.) I feel a little more inclined to engage with Argenteum Astrum these days, but we'll see how it goes.

  • @lvxleather
    @lvxleather 7 місяців тому +1

    🌞

  • @jamesp7527
    @jamesp7527 2 роки тому +3

    The K in magick is for Kabbalah.

  • @jonyspinoza3310
    @jonyspinoza3310 2 роки тому +1

    Interesting 🧐

  • @Sotiger
    @Sotiger 2 роки тому +3

    Ciao frattello Marco

  • @TheEsotericFreemason
    @TheEsotericFreemason Рік тому +2

    This interview is pretty good only issue I find is Crowley wasn’t a recognized Freemason he was initiated in a lodge that isn’t recognized by the UGLE and is considered “irregular” which is why he’s not considered an actual Freemason

    • @Thomas-ORaghaill
      @Thomas-ORaghaill 7 місяців тому

      Irregular Freemasons are still Freemasons.

  • @MantasticHams
    @MantasticHams 2 роки тому +1

    Nice shirt!

  • @hypnotourist
    @hypnotourist 2 роки тому +2

    Nice t-shirt, intersting channel, take my like and subscribe. 🦉

    • @badcooper235
      @badcooper235 Рік тому

      I was going to comment on that. It's cool she has taste. Your symbol though is even better
      " Frank. You don't ever want to know anything about that." Frank "Really?"
      REALLY.

  • @ambersintron2298
    @ambersintron2298 2 роки тому +1

    Great guest!!!

  • @3chnat0n
    @3chnat0n Рік тому +2

    I meet Marco years back in London he's nice guy. I'm really glad I didn't join OTO beck to the days , as many ex OTO have same experience as Marco.

  • @call_in_sick
    @call_in_sick 2 роки тому +1

    🤘🏻

  • @rodneyillustrations
    @rodneyillustrations 2 роки тому

    🕯

  • @raamun9533
    @raamun9533 Рік тому +1

    Bravi I maghi

  • @Jtex_123
    @Jtex_123 7 місяців тому

    93!

  • @apothneisko
    @apothneisko 8 місяців тому

    What university did you get your PhD from?

  • @titulaveau3092
    @titulaveau3092 2 роки тому +2

    I absolutely love this channel and content! Thank you so much! I’m a Luciferian! Any others on here??? #LHP

  • @ruthgoldbergives6945
    @ruthgoldbergives6945 Рік тому

    My Country Feedback 🦅
    In God We Trust
    April 8, 2023
    Dear Cardinal Mahoney
    Holy Saturday 2023
    Thank you for being a Good Shepard to me for 12 years at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels.
    I learned studied faithfully learned about the mysteries of the Roman Catholic Church while you and Father Kevin Kostelnick and Father Brian Castaneda, and Father Trudea were Administration the Los Angeles Archdiocese.
    Today I am watching the Stations of the Cross and the Easter Vigil from Rome on worldwide internet in my living room.
    I sincerely thank you and all of the faithful lay persons, sisters and brothers who helped me and gave me emotional and spiritual support, and strengthened me with your prayers and the sacraments for eleven happy and blessed years.
    I am celebrating another blessed Easter and remembering 🙏 all of you in my prayers.
    Sincerely,
    Me

  • @cafe.cedarbeard
    @cafe.cedarbeard 2 роки тому +1

    Knight of the East and West, Priest of EGC in a past life here. Past life in the way of an 8th house Mars in Taurus, first house Pluto in Libra doing many transformations in one lifetime. I too entered, and went through the wringer for a time. It was what was going on in my town when I was part of it, and what a time it was. I was already doing magick when I found the OTO, reading Crowley's things like the Vision and the Voice, doing the rituals in my private time. Like any Golden Age the time faded for me to be part of the group and I left, after a long fade out. I sensed that my next lessons were elsewhere, in Chinese martial arts and meditation, Zen, learning about the importance of love, agape in practice not just concept with Food Not Bombs. Grounding the current in physical practices are so important for me, and when I left the OTO I was a very different person than when I entered, seeking what they had to offer from Minerval to Knight. As my grade informs, I went deep into practices and study in Chinese martial arts after my time in the order, exploring the Eastern roots since I'd been duly trained in the arts of the West. Also my challenge with alcohol was not helped by the community of the order. Crowley's poetry doesn't help, what with all the references to red wine. Now I'm experiencing a big revival of the magick side of things, realizing it's natural in my process for it to have been out of phase for a time, while I was working on other aspects of the Craft, like music skills honed on one instrument for a few years before I started branching out again, vocal discipline that enables my voice to be beyond human in some aspects. My south Node being on Betelguese is one sign of my path in that to get to Wizard from the Fool I had to experience who I am when I'm Tyrant. Since my will is to bring peace and beauty it was confined to my private experiences for the most part, but it was necessary to be Wizard to know who I am when I go too far. That's what it takes to stay on the middle road and not fall for the temptations again. The projections are too fierce if I think the Tyrant is only elsewhere. I could not suss that out in the Crowley jargon soaked temples of OTO.

  • @AmericanDadBod-f3l
    @AmericanDadBod-f3l 10 місяців тому

    ALthough I do not like Aliester Crowley as a representation of Horus as he was very Anti Christian, I have come to really respect the Devotion of OTO members twords the Great work of Reintegration, Ultimately reintegrating Homo sapians with our genetic Manipulator/creators.

  • @shivasmight369
    @shivasmight369 Рік тому +3

    Thelema is just Kashmir Shaivism with kula tantra for westerns
    India is the cradle of the world
    Long before Atlantis there was Lemuria
    Om Namah Shivaya
    Om Kreem Kali

  • @paulsecrest9427
    @paulsecrest9427 Рік тому

    Its mental and elemental. It is lie and truth. Its death and life. Its love its death. Its duality.

  • @johnthered0
    @johnthered0 2 роки тому

    hmmm nice tiptoe through the subject matter ,more.

  • @mako-qm9gy
    @mako-qm9gy 7 місяців тому

    Following these false deities will lead you to hell.

  • @stevenlowe3245
    @stevenlowe3245 Рік тому +4

    Crowley was such a train wreck of a human being I never considered him a worthy source of anything.

    • @lvxleather
      @lvxleather 7 місяців тому

      You never know, a wandering bum on the street could be an enlightened spirit guide. I learned long ago that valuable knowledge can be gained from a two year old child or a 'psycho-babbling ' homeless person 🤡

  • @childrenoftheabzu
    @childrenoftheabzu Рік тому +1

    Dont be a joiner. Orders/groups exist to serve and feed the egos of those who are on top of the hierarchy because they are standing on others. As much as many claim otherwise, they are insecure and cant stand on their own and need people beneath them/lower members to prop them up as opposed to really believing in their personal power. Its an illusion and they need others to help perpetuate it. Do what you want and follow your will if that is your path, its just my opinion and the complete opposite of my will and path.

  • @robgau2501
    @robgau2501 Рік тому +2

    Crowley might not have been a Satanist but he might have been worse. It depends on how much he says is true about himself.

  • @variousbirdspecieshahaha
    @variousbirdspecieshahaha Рік тому +1

    Devil worshipers & their need to be famous.🤮
    SALVATION 👇🏻
    Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord ✝️shall be saved.
    🙌🏻❤️✝️PRAISE JESUS ✝️❤️🙌🏻

    • @loneandaloof
      @loneandaloof 7 місяців тому +1

      Stick to ur book. See u.

    • @melissapinol7279
      @melissapinol7279 7 місяців тому

      Why do Christians USE ALL CAPS? IT'S LIKE YELLING!

  • @samiam3297
    @samiam3297 2 роки тому +1

    Fascinating interview and content Dr. Puca. Understanding is half the battle of learning. All said..seems as before 'nothing new under the sun' ... understand WFHegel and his Dialectic (Phenomenology of Spirit) & you need not understand another system ever I would humbly submit. The clever part is creating a system using the same formula but prepare it in such a manner that is new and catches currency (not money). Apparently thats all the OTO and AA did (only thing is they spiced it up with sex & discipline...actual spirits at ones discretion i suppose.) Albeit...think I'll make a lasagna today (I'm not that creative to call it another name [for now] all I know is it just taste good!) 🤪🤪🤪😘🤌