I said .327 Federal has about the same powder charge as 9mm "sort of". What I mean by that, is when looking at just average powder ammo like this .327 Federal Hydrashok, this more or less is how it works, but with true Magnum .327 Federal Magnum, they will use a true magnum powder at a higher charge. The .327 is sort of like the .38 Special and .357 Mag mixed, as the lower end rounds often use run of the mill pistol powder, while high power ones use magnum powder. If that makes sense.
Great video comparison, 327 ammo is really hard to find right now. 357 ammo is so high that you about have to mortgage the house to buy it. I swear, If the Biden administration has their way, Not only will Pellet & BB guns be banned, but they'll keep going until they end up banning rubber band guns too. Have you ever compared a lower powdered 327 to a 38 +P rd? I had heard that a 38+P is just a little under a 357 but I have a hard time believing that. If I heard you agree with that I'd believe you because you would know from testing. Great channel by the way. I subbed. Peace..
S&W used to offer a REALLY nice little J-Frame in this caliber. I believe the model designator was 632. One version even came ported from the factory. Very, very nice...and also very pricey; well north of $1K. Tough to get folks to pony up that kind of dough for a 6-shot J-Frame. I wanted one, but the price was more than I could manage at the time. When I went back later when I could afford it, the gun had sold and shortly afterwards, S&W discontinued the model. Too bad for me! The Ruger LCR is great (I own three), but not in the same class. S&W, are you listening?
Love watching the tests, great idea and follow through. A side by side out of the LCR with a few .327 Fed Mags to compare would be great really pitting the ammo more than the guns and ammo. I carry .357 now in a S&W 640 pro as well as a 2" Chiappa Rhino, but considering the .327 LCR, thanks!
I wish I had a 327 Federal. Much underrated round. Personally I would keep 100 grain in it, but then again I am an old time hunter/shooter, and sectional density is more important to me than to most shooters today. Interesting vid on the low recoil round. Thank you.
The .327 Fed Mag is just the sort of weirdness (relative to more conventional calibers like .38 Special) that appeals to me. It also helps address the capacity issues that people have with wheelguns, as one can put in now physically smaller cartridges into the same cylinder size without restoring to .22LR/WMR. Pity that I have never seen a .327 for sale at any of my local gun shops or else I would totally pick one up
As always, an excellent presentation. I appreciate the tests you do. I can only imagine all the work that goes into making vids like this. I am soon to be 63 years old and have shot a little bit of everything but I always learn something new here. And I mean this in a light hearted way, but I am a bit envious that you have a near perfect place to shoot. Around here in my small ne ohio town, about the only way a person can go out target shooting on a whim, is if they own their own spot in the country. either that or join the local conservation club. even then its not easy to shoot because someone else is always there. and much to my chagrin they closed the firing range for some kinda maintenance. when I ask a land owner for permission to shoot on their place there is a miriad of reasons why they cant let me. insurance reasons, or people working on the land and its too dangerous, all of which I can respect. Or it's privacy issues and to be honest if I owned my own land I wouldnt want everyone on it either. Probably the biggest reason is that it is mostly flat land here in ohio therefore a lack of a proper backstop, although one could be built. That's why you seem to have the perfect little spot, down in a gulley with a natural backstop. Anywho, keep the vids comin brother
Some numbers to add to your data base. I've not done penetration tests, nor 85 grain boolits except in .32 H&R, but...Federal American Eagle .327FM 100gr JSP in a Ruger Single Seven, 4 5/8" barrel, average 1600fps for seven rounds; 1541fps in a 7 1/2" barrel (b/c gap issue there, I think); and 2255fps in a 20" Marlin barrel. Very accurate. I save those rounds for go-to-town ammo. Handloading, it sips powder and nibbles lead. For EDC around the ranch I like a hardcast NOE 133gr Keith SWC at about 1100fps in the 4 5/8" (the 3 1/2" birdshead is for discreet carry. I've not chrono'd it figuring, why bother? It'll do...). Knocks the snot out of just about anything one might encounter out here in the high desert. Searching since I was 10 years old 60+ years ago, the S7...carries like a .22; choots like a .38; hits like a .357. Finally, The Ideal Trail Gun (after using a .22 for decades up until about six years ago). Seriously considering giving the kids and grandkids their inheritance early, and just keep the ..327s and a 20ga pump with bird and rifled barrels. Hehehe, sure would simplify life around here. I hope more people discover the wonderful world of the .32. Thanks for helping introduce more of the masses.
Good Video! That .327 seems to be a really good ammo for the short barrel revolver. I expect that is why you carry it! Thanks for sharing and take care.
So, we see the finished expansion of the bullet, when it's done its thing and everything is peeled back. At some point during expansion, all that material is sticking straight out perpendicular to the bullet before it rolls/peels/mushrooms all the way(= larger than final expansion briefly). Good work, thanks!
Thanks for a great honest review. I really appreciated that you don't say this is the greatest thing in the world and you absolutely need this or that thing
I've Always Wondered About The .327 Mag. Personally, I Love When Anything Beats 9mm. I Carry A .357 Mag. Usually Loaded With .38+P. Unless It's Stormy Out. That's A Sign I'm Loaded With .357 Mag. Just Kidding. Although....Awesome Vid Brother.
Always look forward to your videos as they as entertaining & informative. Amazing how these low recoil rounds penetrated much better than the 9mm Silvertips which failed with the FBI shootout. Too bad the FBI couldn't watch your videos. Keep up the good work.
Nice test. The 327 is certainly intriguing, and seems useful. I was expecting 1200 fps, so that was good. The 6 shot easy to carry compact that you always have on you beats heck out of the 15 shot wonder gun you always leave at home because it is too heavy. And it may save your life or someone else's. I would probably carry the 100 gr gold dots, but that is me. Looks like the 9 would be a good choice for my Kahr P9. Many good loads out there, and i am partial to gold dots.
In a lot of firearms, the fair portion of the recoil, sometimes most of it, comes from the muzzle pressure as the bullet exits the barrel. While recoil does start the instant the bullet starts moving, there is that component of the gas pressure when it becomes unbalanced as the bullet exits. For short barreled pistols, a great way to reduce recoil is to use a smaller charge of a faster burning powder. That way you get near rated chamber pressure to get things started. But the pressure in the barrel drops off quickly as the bullet proceeds down the bore. A side effect of this will be less blast when the bullet exits. This gives you good efficiency at the cost of not achieving the maximum potential power of the cartridge.
Yeah it's one of those things. Like even if you lose velocity, you still retain all of the recoil. It all magnifies when in a short barrel. 125 or 158 gr .357 feels the same in the 686 but in the snub it goes from bad with 125 gr to brutal with 158 gr.
@@GunSam I feel like I've gained more recoil sensitivity over the past years. My inclination for a J-Frame load would be to run a projectile out of a 38 Short Colt case using 9mm Lugar load data. This still requires a 357 Magnum rated revolver. But I can run a smaller charge at the same efficiency as 9mm and reduce the recoil and blast I would get from a 38 Spl+P load. I've not completed research in that area because I can run 9mm loads out of a P365. And it holds more of them! Then there is the 22LR rabbit hole. A J-Frame can hold 8 of those vs the 5 in 38 caliber. At what point does the round count advantage counteract the ballistic disadvantage? I don't know the answer to that. What I do know is that a revolver is more reliable than a pocket auto in 22LR (or even 380 ACP) in terms of function. Hit a dead round, just pull the trigger again. No malfunction clearance drills to worry about. In your case, I'm thinking that your switch to carrying a 327 Federal Magnum with six is a good one in that the extra round is 20% more fire power. You also have not given up much ballistic performance. To me that seems like a win. For me, I just haven't made the transition. The Ruger LCR is the only revolver I know of that runs that caliber and it isn't cheap. Also there is the issue of ammunition. I don't have any in that caliber. I also don't really relish the idea of dealing with the blast of a 327 FM out of a 2" barrel. That is a high pressure round on top of everything. Blast is also an issue for me.
That tiny super lightweight lcr ruger in .327 mag would be a great backup ccw, but I don't like barrels that short for CC. It seems that you give up too much velocity and gain a lot of extra muzzle blast, especially in a high performance round like the .327. I personally could warm up to a ruger sp-101 in .327 with a 3 inch barrel. For me, a 3 inch barrel is the minimum with 4 inch being about ideal for CC. IMO The 4” has the best balance of velocity, weight, handling and concealment.
But that's the thing. The .327 Federal was designed off of a 3" revolver and optimized to do well in short barrels. The 45,000 PSI gives efficient burn with the right load. This load and the hot Gold Dot are neither really the right load for a snub but they aren't bad.
@@Gieszkanne false statement dear mortal. It just so happens that I purchase in LCR revolver chambered in none other than 327 mag baby. In a 3in barrel I can hit a squirrel in the eye from 78 yards
Great Video! I actually purchased the Rugar LCR 327 based on your videos. Love that gun! For self protection, do you have any ballistics for a 380 Seecamp?
I can tell you do not get a see camp 380. You will never shoot it more than 10 times to practice as it hurts like hell. Which is not good. Many videos the see camp 380 is uncontrollable. If do get see camp the 32acp is far easier to shoot, practice, and it's cheaper easier to find in 32 acp.
The application of the LCR is wet work.... up close and personal to save your life. Easily concealed. I personally like the HR 32 Magnum better because of the tiny amount of felt recoil allowing follow up shots to be deadly. The key to any hollow point is the damage it does as the pedal folds back.... sometime called the permanent wound cavity. Those pedals cut like a meat grinder and if arteries , the heart, or lungs get in it's path the perp will die quickly from blood loss internally...
I agree, and carry a three-inch six-shot H&R Magnum. Hornady now sells a Critical Defense round in .32 H&R Mag! (I stocked up on these just before the Covid ammo panic.) I also have some Buffalo Bore HOT rounds that might as well be called +P, and they cause Zero visible damage to this modern revolver even with much bigger blast. Don't try them in old guns from the Seventies!..........................elsullo
.32 needs a longer barrel, like a 3 or 3.25 for conceal, as in the 32 LR and the .327. I would like to see a .327 Mag and the 380 Underwood Defense comparison.
If it ain't a revolver , I don't carry it. A Pistol has too many working parts = to many things to go wrong. Thanks for ya hard work and honest videos. Merry Christmas.
Thanks. I miss the thumbs down feature being shown. Sometimes it's annoying but I find it amusing when I do put out a good video and in 5 minutes before the video could be fully watched, I get a thumb down. I'm like LOL. Makes me feel good to be disliked in general. Means someone is jealous or something which makes me feel good, but also makes me laugh as i'm just a regular guy.
Sam my personal opinion if i to choose a self defense cartridge and gun. I would pick the .327 magnum over say 9mm 38/357 40sw and 45 acp due to its all-around performance and controlability .327 just makes more sense in a revolver but for semiauto thats another subject.
Personally I like a large 9mm for an auto. The reason goes beyond terminal ballistics. It's because my M&P 9 has never jammed even once. Considering I test different HP designs weekly, that's impressive.
About what I expected from 85gr ammunition. I've found with the .327 Federal Magnum that running anything under 100gr doesn't seem to do as well as 100 or above. Really wish Speer didn't discontinue the 115gr Gold Dot. That was my preferred load for my SP101. Still waiting for Ruger to make an LCRx with a 3 inch barrel in .327 Federal though. As much as I love my SP101 the lighter LCR wouldn't be a big deal on felt recoil for me but I'd like performance to be the same.
That is the exact reason we all love mr.sam. His tests are very educational, unique and fun to watch. And the best part is that he likes to test all handgun calibers. Watch, the day will come where Sam will start testing carbines and handgun calibers and then rifles sometimes. We love you mister Sam your country loves you you are doing a great service and you are the perfect Ambassador for our 2nd Ammendment immortality
I like what you do Sam, thanks for your reviews on different ammo calibers and guns with different barrel lengths because everyone doesn't carry the same size gun 👍👍.
I respect and appreciate a snub nose revolver, for the simple fact that it is easily concealable and packs a lot of punch in a small package. Of course depending on the caliber. But from 3 feet away, even a 22LR placed skillfully, five consecutive shots in a row will make your assailant reconsider his life decisions
As almost always, a very useful test! I carry snubbies, a two inch and a three inch, and I too prefer low power controlability instead of wasted muzzle blast and excess recoil. Placement beats power, and these rounds are pretty good!.........................elsullo
Great testing and shooting Sam! I would love a .327 mag in my arsenal because of your testing. Only seen them on gunbroker a while back. I pick up .38 spe vials because of your videos and a 6 in barreled .357 mag Taurus 66. 🎩♠️☯️🏁
I like .327 federal and would carry it in a heartbeat Only downside is my local dealers are asking almost $ 900 for the LCR. I got a Sig p365 for $ 300 less.
As Paul Harrell would say "not bad at all". Honestly the 9mm surprised me,I didn't expect it to penetrate that much and still have expansion. I wonder if out of a longer barrel it might have more expansion and maybe a little less penetration? I may have missed it but have you tested the "Micro" 9mm HST that's also reduced recoil? I've seen some tests with it and results seem somewhat mixed. It certainly seems inferior to standard HST. Keep up the good work!!👍👍
I haven't tested that micro version yet. I thought it was interesting how HST has a 147 gr and a micro 150 gr. Just makes me wonder what design difference makes one 3 gr heavier. It is something I should test.
In many comments people complain of the bullet capacity of revolvers, by the other hand many seems to like the Glock 43 (six bullets). I think this Ruger LCR or the Taurus 327 are better options for CCW.
I have had great service from my .38 LCR. The extra round from the .327 would be nice though. I have found that my .38 changes point of impact dramatically based on the load used. It seems to prefer heavier bullets. Have you noticed anything similar with the .327?
I can't speak for the LCR, but in a Taurus 327 snub, the .327 Hydra-Shoks are manageable, IMO. Compared to .32 Long and .32 H&R, you definitely have to hold onto the gun, but it's not uncomfortable to shoot.
This is probably quite weird but it would make for great videos trying rds on a revolver. There are some mounts available for S&W and Ruger via allchingunparts. Irons vs rds vs scope. It'd be a new adventure, dipping the toe in and seeing if it matters on the clock.
We need some of these light 85gr or 75gr tac xp in 30 super carry. Load data came out in a 4 inch barrel and 85gr are at 1500fps while being loaded very short and below the 50k max pressure
There is always lost velocity and pressure due to gases escaping through the cylinder barrel gap of the revolvers Which is something you should mention when Comparing revolvers and semi auto/single action/double action blow back pistols at least until you get 2 pistols same caliber same barrel length same cartridge except ones a revolver and ones a semi auto pistol and do a little myth busting does cylinder barrel gap effect performance.
Thanks. The Buffalo Bore 100 gr is in the middle, sort of softer. The problem is it's an XTP. A 100 gr Gold Dot at the 1,250 FPS or so Buffalo Bore gets in this snub would be perfect.
I am subbed, you do a good job, some of the comparisons are not like for like, but close enough, and I would like a .327, so if you see one, let me know. Now a .380 and think the .327 would be more effective, how about carry over, maybe too much and hurt someone behind the primary target ?, that is why I do not do 9mm.
I have a question concerning noise or decibel level. Is there a possibility of disabling or disorienting the shooter from the decibel level of the the 327 or the 357 fired indoors? The reason I ask is I was 5 yards behind my daughter shooting a LCR 327 outdoors and experienced the 327 Gold Dot concussion/blast without hearing protection (Accidental...forgot my ears) behind here for one shot. It was actually painful and disorienting. i will never make that mistake again. In an emergency with no time for hearing protection, in an enclosed room at home or a small business, just wondering if the blast would actually disable me? The 327 is a whole different animal when it comes to noise.
From my understanding, while hearing damage is still possible, in a life or death situation, your ears that normally pick up a painful 150 db will only register 40 db, meaning you are not disoriented. I never experienced it personally, but it was something I was told at a firearm training class.
9mm always costs less than any centerfire ammo. Just how it is. To me it's not a problem as unlike 9mm, you really don't have to extensively vet your carry ammo. Sure you should buy 2 boxes and shoot one box to make sure the cases eject, the powder isn't so dirty it gunks anything up, and it shoots good for you. But it's not like the whole semi auto accepted procedure where you need to fire 200 rounds of your defensive hollow point ammo in your pistol to make sure it functions. So to me, the whole story taken into consideration, the cost of ammo issue is a non issue.
@@dude55ist Oh, sure. Blame the Pandemic and the world economy collapse on Obama! He's only been gone for five years of Trump's Enlightened Tax Cuts For Billionaires adding A TRILLION dollars per year to the deficit! And Obama was never even ACCUSED of any crimes..............................elsullo
Hey if you get a chance sometime could you please do a test on the double tap 327 fed mag 60 grain solid copper hollow points? It would be extremely interesting to me personally.
I have liked the .327 since it came out (the fact .32 S&W Long is it's grand-parent and it'll handle long, H&R "magnum" as well really makes me like it). How does the LCR compare to a J-frame insofar as overall size? Been a minute since I held one.
Do you have any 9mm snub nosed revolvers. Tim at Military Arms Channel has shown 9mm performs better than .38 special and sometimes equal to .357 magnum in snub nosed revolvers without the blast and recoil.
lol. His video was wrong. I don't have a 9mm revolver as I never saw one for sale in my stores I shop at. He used the weakest .38 and .357 ammo and good 9mm ammo. If you had the best 9mm+P ammo in a 9mm snub you would get as much as maybe 375 ft lbs. I have personally gotten rounds up to 600 ft lbs from my 2" Taurus .357 snub, but generally .357 in a snub is 100 ft lbs more than 9mm in a snub.
@@GunSam I too have seen some "iffy" selections in bullet loading choices in some popular Channels! Some are clearly designed to make the gun look bad; I have to wonder who was paid what? Ya gotta take anything on UA-cam with a grain of salt. Except Gun_Sam!..............................elsullo
Yes, also 32 magnum and 32 long and 32 short, but some can shoot 32 acp, but 32 acp and 32 short are too expensive and sometimes more than 32 long and 32 magnum
It's annoying when after watching all those tests I always wish for a rimmed 9mil. ;-) Is there a way to load 38 specials to high pressure 9 mil standards? Shorter case, that sort of a deal?
@@GunSam Have you done a comparison of such loads with the 9, perchance? And thank you for responding. I appreciate your willingness to help quite a lot.
Yeah very cool and Macho of you. But what if, what if the person behind your intended target is a venison sweet bystander that never meant to leave this earth without saying goodbye to his or hers or themselves, these, etc( insert different genders here) loved ones
NOE .315 Keith 133gr hard cast, sized and lubed to .314, at about 1100-1150fps in 4 5/8" bbl works for me. Factory Federal AE 100gr JSP does 1600fps in same gun. In a .22 frame, you know you've touched off a magnum.
Currently there's a lot of the 85 gr Federal soft point ammo, but it's low power, almost same ballistics as this Hydrashok but soft point. Just look on ammoseek and you will find some. Personally I get a kick out of shooting .32 S&W long out of it. Lots of fun and great accuracy.
I know you said why you stopped using the jug or not box but I know at least I enjoyed seeing the package of lunch meat exploding when shot. Either way it was still another groovy video.
I personally order all my ammo online. If you are in a place where that's not allowed, than of course your options are limited, but there was a time where .327 Federal was gone, nowhere online did it exist except for Buffalo Bore. Ammoseek shows a bunch of .327 Federal ammo available right now, the most that has been available in the past 4 years that I have owned a .327 Federal revolver. So your comment took me aback a bit, as it's backwards of my reality.
The 327 Mag is in this energy setting way less powerfull than the 9mm. It is comparable however with an 38 SPL +P+, meaning it is right between an 380 ACP (tipically around 150 ft-lbs) and an 38 SPL (tipically around 190 ft-lbs) or it's +P variants. 266 ft-lbs versus 329 ft-lbs is an considerable difference. These should be compared with full power ammo and not low recoil. I would consider the 327 Mag as the perfect universal defense round for EDC. The 357 Mag in an 2 incher is just to snappy and has to much blast and recoil. Remember in an defensive shooting you do not wear ear protection. The only 9mm you can shoot without ear protection without ringing your ears is out of an Beretta 92 or Taurus PT92. An 357 Mag has surprisingly few recoil out of an Ruger GP100 6" revolver. But it has enough blast as to deafen you.
.327 magnum ammo is extremely expensive. I'm happy with a SP 101 with .38 plus P loads from underwood Ammo Company. I never liked the 9 Mighty Mite, and i don't like/Hate Glocks, (Expensive Hi Ponts), So i'm good with the SP 101.
Ya, if that was a gut shot, it could easily go through or far enough into another person to kill them, what convinced me, was a LE that did my CC and he has seen 9mm that went through someone and a mail box, through both.
@@GunSam Ft lbs of muzzle energy of the Underwood .38 Special +P 125gr. eXtreme Terminal Performance (XTP®) Jacketed Hollow Point is 434 and the hard cast is 548, Gold Dot is 500. What I am saying is, for what little you gain, being able to practice with the 38 at half the cost is worth more than the gain. 90% of the people out there like me, don't have your shooting experience, and would be much better off with more practice if that makes any sense.
I said .327 Federal has about the same powder charge as 9mm "sort of". What I mean by that, is when looking at just average powder ammo like this .327 Federal Hydrashok, this more or less is how it works, but with true Magnum .327 Federal Magnum, they will use a true magnum powder at a higher charge. The .327 is sort of like the .38 Special and .357 Mag mixed, as the lower end rounds often use run of the mill pistol powder, while high power ones use magnum powder. If that makes sense.
Great video comparison, 327 ammo is really hard to find right now. 357 ammo is so high that you about have to mortgage the house to buy it. I swear, If the Biden administration has their way, Not only will Pellet & BB guns be banned, but they'll keep going until they end up banning rubber band guns too.
Have you ever compared a lower powdered 327 to a 38 +P rd?
I had heard that a 38+P is just a little under a 357 but I have a hard time believing that. If I heard you agree with that I'd believe you because you would know from testing. Great channel by the way. I subbed. Peace..
I wish 327 was more popular. Id really like to own a nice s&w revolver in that caliber
Well, help make it popular, buy a few!!! Can't go wrong.
S&W used to offer a REALLY nice little J-Frame in this caliber. I believe the model designator was 632. One version even came ported from the factory. Very, very nice...and also very pricey; well north of $1K. Tough to get folks to pony up that kind of dough for a 6-shot J-Frame. I wanted one, but the price was more than I could manage at the time. When I went back later when I could afford it, the gun had sold and shortly afterwards, S&W discontinued the model. Too bad for me! The Ruger LCR is great (I own three), but not in the same class. S&W, are you listening?
Get an SP101, not a Smith, but definitely not a lesser arm.
I’ve never seen a S&W 327 Fed Mag but they have made runs of 32H&R.
Every time you make a 327 video I make some popcorn, drop what I'm doing and just watch. Thanks Sam!
Thanks again Sam for ALL U DO & what u bring to the table. Top notch. 😎💯🤙🏼
Thank you and thanks for watching.
Dude, before I watch this video I'd like you to know you're seriously awesome and I absolutely love these videos
Love watching the tests, great idea and follow through. A side by side out of the LCR with a few .327 Fed Mags to compare would be great really pitting the ammo more than the guns and ammo. I carry .357 now in a S&W 640 pro as well as a 2" Chiappa Rhino, but considering the .327 LCR, thanks!
Both rounds did decent. Both expanded and were accurate. Not bad for low recoil.
Very happy to see this review 😊. I just bought two boxes of the low recoil Hydra-Shok for my LCR.
I wish I had a 327 Federal. Much underrated round. Personally I would keep 100 grain in it, but then again I am an old time hunter/shooter, and sectional density is more important to me than to most shooters today.
Interesting vid on the low recoil round. Thank you.
The .327 Fed Mag is just the sort of weirdness (relative to more conventional calibers like .38 Special) that appeals to me. It also helps address the capacity issues that people have with wheelguns, as one can put in now physically smaller cartridges into the same cylinder size without restoring to .22LR/WMR. Pity that I have never seen a .327 for sale at any of my local gun shops or else I would totally pick one up
order online then.
Gunbroker is your friend (enemy to your wallet though).
@@willo7734 GunBroker is certainly my frenemy
As always, an excellent presentation. I appreciate the tests you do. I can only imagine all the work that goes into making vids like this. I am soon to be 63 years old and have shot a little bit of everything but I always learn something new here. And I mean this in a light hearted way, but I am a bit envious that you have a near perfect place to shoot. Around here in my small ne ohio town, about the only way a person can go out target shooting on a whim, is if they own their own spot in the country. either that or join the local conservation club. even then its not easy to shoot because someone else is always there. and much to my chagrin they closed the firing range for some kinda maintenance. when I ask a land owner for permission to shoot on their place there is a miriad of reasons why they cant let me. insurance reasons, or people working on the land and its too dangerous, all of which I can respect. Or it's privacy issues and to be honest if I owned my own land I wouldnt want everyone on it either. Probably the biggest reason is that it is mostly flat land here in ohio therefore a lack of a proper backstop, although one could be built. That's why you seem to have the perfect little spot, down in a gulley with a natural backstop. Anywho, keep the vids comin brother
Some numbers to add to your data base. I've not done penetration tests, nor 85 grain boolits except in .32 H&R, but...Federal American Eagle .327FM 100gr JSP in a Ruger Single Seven, 4 5/8" barrel, average 1600fps for seven rounds; 1541fps in a 7 1/2" barrel (b/c gap issue there, I think); and 2255fps in a 20" Marlin barrel. Very accurate. I save those rounds for go-to-town ammo. Handloading, it sips powder and nibbles lead. For EDC around the ranch I like a hardcast NOE 133gr Keith SWC at about 1100fps in the 4 5/8" (the 3 1/2" birdshead is for discreet carry. I've not chrono'd it figuring, why bother? It'll do...). Knocks the snot out of just about anything one might encounter out here in the high desert. Searching since I was 10 years old 60+ years ago, the S7...carries like a .22; choots like a .38; hits like a .357. Finally, The Ideal Trail Gun (after using a .22 for decades up until about six years ago). Seriously considering giving the kids and grandkids their inheritance early, and just keep the ..327s and a 20ga pump with bird and rifled barrels. Hehehe, sure would simplify life around here.
I hope more people discover the wonderful world of the .32. Thanks for helping introduce more of the masses.
Good Video! That .327 seems to be a really good ammo for the short barrel revolver. I expect that is why you carry it! Thanks for sharing and take care.
Your channel has come a long way. Great job.
Thank you.
So, we see the finished expansion of the bullet, when it's done its thing and everything is peeled back. At some point during expansion, all that material is sticking straight out perpendicular to the bullet before it rolls/peels/mushrooms all the way(= larger than final expansion briefly). Good work, thanks!
Thanks for all your research you do a great job.
Thanks for watching
Nice , a 327 FED video !!!
Thanks for a great honest review. I really appreciated that you don't say this is the greatest thing in the world and you absolutely need this or that thing
Thanks.
Thanks, Gun Sam ! Another great vs calibers
I've Always Wondered About The .327 Mag. Personally, I Love When Anything Beats 9mm. I Carry A .357 Mag. Usually Loaded With .38+P. Unless It's Stormy Out. That's A Sign I'm Loaded With .357 Mag. Just Kidding. Although....Awesome Vid Brother.
Thanks.
Always look forward to your videos as they as entertaining & informative. Amazing how these low recoil rounds penetrated much better than the 9mm Silvertips which failed with the FBI shootout. Too bad the FBI couldn't watch your videos. Keep up the good work.
Nice test. The 327 is certainly intriguing, and seems useful. I was expecting 1200 fps, so that was good. The 6 shot easy to carry compact that you always have on you beats heck out of the 15 shot wonder gun you always leave at home because it is too heavy. And it may save your life or someone else's. I would probably carry the 100 gr gold dots, but that is me. Looks like the 9 would be a good choice for my Kahr P9. Many good loads out there, and i am partial to gold dots.
In a lot of firearms, the fair portion of the recoil, sometimes most of it, comes from the muzzle pressure as the bullet exits the barrel. While recoil does start the instant the bullet starts moving, there is that component of the gas pressure when it becomes unbalanced as the bullet exits. For short barreled pistols, a great way to reduce recoil is to use a smaller charge of a faster burning powder. That way you get near rated chamber pressure to get things started. But the pressure in the barrel drops off quickly as the bullet proceeds down the bore. A side effect of this will be less blast when the bullet exits. This gives you good efficiency at the cost of not achieving the maximum potential power of the cartridge.
Yeah it's one of those things. Like even if you lose velocity, you still retain all of the recoil. It all magnifies when in a short barrel. 125 or 158 gr .357 feels the same in the 686 but in the snub it goes from bad with 125 gr to brutal with 158 gr.
@@GunSam I feel like I've gained more recoil sensitivity over the past years. My inclination for a J-Frame load would be to run a projectile out of a 38 Short Colt case using 9mm Lugar load data. This still requires a 357 Magnum rated revolver. But I can run a smaller charge at the same efficiency as 9mm and reduce the recoil and blast I would get from a 38 Spl+P load.
I've not completed research in that area because I can run 9mm loads out of a P365. And it holds more of them!
Then there is the 22LR rabbit hole. A J-Frame can hold 8 of those vs the 5 in 38 caliber. At what point does the round count advantage counteract the ballistic disadvantage? I don't know the answer to that. What I do know is that a revolver is more reliable than a pocket auto in 22LR (or even 380 ACP) in terms of function. Hit a dead round, just pull the trigger again. No malfunction clearance drills to worry about.
In your case, I'm thinking that your switch to carrying a 327 Federal Magnum with six is a good one in that the extra round is 20% more fire power. You also have not given up much ballistic performance. To me that seems like a win. For me, I just haven't made the transition. The Ruger LCR is the only revolver I know of that runs that caliber and it isn't cheap. Also there is the issue of ammunition. I don't have any in that caliber. I also don't really relish the idea of dealing with the blast of a 327 FM out of a 2" barrel. That is a high pressure round on top of everything. Blast is also an issue for me.
That tiny super lightweight lcr ruger in .327 mag would be a great backup ccw, but I don't like barrels that short for CC. It seems that you give up too much velocity and gain a lot of extra muzzle blast, especially in a high performance round like the .327. I personally could warm up to a ruger sp-101 in .327 with a 3 inch barrel. For me, a 3 inch barrel is the minimum with 4 inch being about ideal for CC. IMO The 4” has the best balance of velocity, weight, handling and concealment.
But that's the thing. The .327 Federal was designed off of a 3" revolver and optimized to do well in short barrels. The 45,000 PSI gives efficient burn with the right load. This load and the hot Gold Dot are neither really the right load for a snub but they aren't bad.
Hey Mike, I have the sp-101 with a 3" barrel. The best thing since night baseball.
Strangely Ruger offer the LCRx in 3 inch in all other calibers. .38,.357, ,22lr and 22WMR but not in .327. Thats really wierd.
@@Gieszkanne false statement dear mortal. It just so happens that I purchase in LCR revolver chambered in none other than 327 mag baby.
In a 3in barrel I can hit a squirrel in the eye from 78 yards
I'd love to see how the .327 compares to the 9mm when they're both fired out of a snubby LCR
Nothing beats the LCR9mm for so many reasons. Love the gun. In fact my favorite and I own a whole lot of firearms.
Nicely done...as usual...
Great Video! I actually purchased the Rugar LCR 327 based on your videos. Love that gun!
For self protection, do you have any ballistics for a 380 Seecamp?
I haven't shot that gun. I would suspect my LCP is close.
I can tell you do not get a see camp 380. You will never shoot it more than 10 times to practice as it hurts like hell. Which is not good. Many videos the see camp 380 is uncontrollable. If do get see camp the 32acp is far easier to shoot, practice, and it's cheaper easier to find in 32 acp.
The application of the LCR is wet work.... up close and personal to save your life. Easily concealed. I personally like the HR 32 Magnum better because of the tiny amount of felt recoil allowing follow up shots to be deadly. The key to any hollow point is the damage it does as the pedal folds back.... sometime called the permanent wound cavity. Those pedals cut like a meat grinder and if arteries , the heart, or lungs get in it's path the perp will die quickly from blood loss internally...
I agree, and carry a three-inch six-shot H&R Magnum. Hornady now sells a Critical Defense round in .32 H&R Mag! (I stocked up on these just before the Covid ammo panic.) I also have some Buffalo Bore HOT rounds that might as well be called +P, and they cause Zero visible damage to this modern revolver even with much bigger blast. Don't try them in old guns from the Seventies!..........................elsullo
Looking at that first shot, I am liking that .327, and not too much, 11 inches and going through some bone, no question hitting the vitals.
.32 needs a longer barrel, like a 3 or 3.25 for conceal, as in the 32 LR and the .327. I would like to see a .327 Mag and the 380 Underwood Defense comparison.
If it ain't a revolver , I don't carry it. A Pistol has too many working parts = to many things to go wrong. Thanks for ya hard work and honest videos. Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas
I carried a large pistol and then a pocket pistol. I’m over it. Now and always, it is the wheel gun. Maybe some day the pistol for backup.
Thanks for that test. I'm still impressed by the .32 family. The Federal 9mm is an alternative to my carry ammo. Good test and presentation.
I do the same with my S&W J frame. I shoot high if I don’t take a split second to orient the gun more level.
I really like the pros of a 327 in a snub
Thanks for using short barrels
Thanks for sharing! Always like your videos! Even when the trolls come out from under the bridge!
Thanks. I miss the thumbs down feature being shown. Sometimes it's annoying but I find it amusing when I do put out a good video and in 5 minutes before the video could be fully watched, I get a thumb down. I'm like LOL. Makes me feel good to be disliked in general. Means someone is jealous or something which makes me feel good, but also makes me laugh as i'm just a regular guy.
Thanks for doing the work!
*the fun
Sam my personal opinion if i to choose a self defense cartridge and gun. I would pick the .327 magnum over say 9mm 38/357 40sw and 45 acp due to its all-around performance and controlability .327 just makes more sense in a revolver but for semiauto thats another subject.
Personally I like a large 9mm for an auto. The reason goes beyond terminal ballistics. It's because my M&P 9 has never jammed even once. Considering I test different HP designs weekly, that's impressive.
@@GunSam yes the M&P line are extremely reliably
do all 9mm Federal HST at the same time with g2c, to see which one is better.
About what I expected from 85gr ammunition. I've found with the .327 Federal Magnum that running anything under 100gr doesn't seem to do as well as 100 or above. Really wish Speer didn't discontinue the 115gr Gold Dot. That was my preferred load for my SP101. Still waiting for Ruger to make an LCRx with a 3 inch barrel in .327 Federal though. As much as I love my SP101 the lighter LCR wouldn't be a big deal on felt recoil for me but I'd like performance to be the same.
Wow, it looks like you put a lot of work into this
That is the exact reason we all love mr.sam. His tests are very educational, unique and fun to watch. And the best part is that he likes to test all handgun calibers. Watch, the day will come where Sam will start testing carbines and handgun calibers and then rifles sometimes. We love you mister Sam your country loves you you are doing a great service and you are the perfect Ambassador for our 2nd Ammendment immortality
I like what you do Sam, thanks for your reviews on different ammo calibers and guns with different barrel lengths because everyone doesn't carry the same size gun 👍👍.
Thanks. Yeah I have more fun with the bigger pistols, but you are right. People do like the short barrel stuff a lot too.
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I respect and appreciate a snub nose revolver, for the simple fact that it is easily concealable and packs a lot of punch in a small package. Of course depending on the caliber. But from 3 feet away, even a 22LR placed skillfully, five consecutive shots in a row will make your assailant reconsider his life decisions
As almost always, a very useful test! I carry snubbies, a two inch and a three inch, and I too prefer low power controlability instead of wasted muzzle blast and excess recoil. Placement beats power, and these rounds are pretty good!.........................elsullo
I hope to test 3" guns someday. When I bought my governor I was looking all over for a 3" .357 mag and they didn't have any.
Great testing and shooting Sam! I would love a .327 mag in my arsenal because of your testing. Only seen them on gunbroker a while back. I pick up .38 spe vials because of your videos and a 6 in barreled .357 mag Taurus 66. 🎩♠️☯️🏁
I like .327 federal and would carry it in a heartbeat Only downside is my local dealers are asking almost $ 900 for the LCR. I got a Sig p365 for $ 300 less.
That's shameful a dealer would ask that. And magnum or 9mm LCR should run like $550 now days
@@GunSam I know. It was 2 dealers in the area that had them in stock. Both right at $900.... sad
That's price gouging for sure.
Maybe it’s the Gun Sam Surcharge. Now they know what they got.
@@ratagris21 Yeah...it sucked.
I really wish there were more options for the .327
I carry the S&W shield in 40 cal. With 135 federal hst. I own 45 firearms and prefer this little package
As Paul Harrell would say "not bad at all". Honestly the 9mm surprised me,I didn't expect it to penetrate that much and still have expansion. I wonder if out of a longer barrel it might have more expansion and maybe a little less penetration? I may have missed it but have you tested the "Micro" 9mm HST that's also reduced recoil? I've seen some tests with it and results seem somewhat mixed. It certainly seems inferior to standard HST. Keep up the good work!!👍👍
I haven't tested that micro version yet. I thought it was interesting how HST has a 147 gr and a micro 150 gr. Just makes me wonder what design difference makes one 3 gr heavier. It is something I should test.
@@GunSam I was wondering if a softer (closer to pure lead) core and/or a thinner jacket accounted for that difference...
Looks cold out there.
I'd like to get into .327 but there's no brass and no primers.
I’m a revolver guy and definitely not a 9mm fan, but I have to go 135 grains over 85.
That 327mag did quite well. Wish the 327mag easier to find on self. It's realy nice caliber in a short barrel.
Not bad of either. Like the 9 a bit better in this case. Good review. Thank you.
In many comments people complain of the bullet capacity of revolvers, by the other hand many seems to like the Glock 43 (six bullets). I think this Ruger LCR or the Taurus 327 are better options for CCW.
I have had great service from my .38 LCR. The extra round from the .327 would be nice though. I have found that my .38 changes point of impact dramatically based on the load used. It seems to prefer heavier bullets. Have you noticed anything similar with the .327?
Not bad velocity for tiny gun in 327, nine looks good too.
I can't speak for the LCR, but in a Taurus 327 snub, the .327 Hydra-Shoks are manageable, IMO. Compared to .32 Long and .32 H&R, you definitely have to hold onto the gun, but it's not uncomfortable to shoot.
Good and informative video 👍
Good Video, learned stuff ✅
I would love this same test with 4-layers of denim to the front of the gel.
I love the .327 but wonder how the .32 S&W long lead round nose would compare on penetration with a 3" barrel? Thanks.
I have seen stuff like that penetrate like maybe 15" in straight gel from the snub.
This is probably quite weird but it would make for great videos trying rds on a revolver. There are some mounts available for S&W and Ruger via allchingunparts. Irons vs rds vs scope. It'd be a new adventure, dipping the toe in and seeing if it matters on the clock.
We need some of these light 85gr or 75gr tac xp in 30 super carry. Load data came out in a 4 inch barrel and 85gr are at 1500fps while being loaded very short and below the 50k max pressure
The thing with 327 .22 .380 etc is if the bullet dont kill you the surgeon will, tring to dig out the projectile either way your screwed😆😆😆😆
Ruger sp101 .327 4.2inchers are back in stock. Please pick one up so i can see what american eagle 100 gr soft point does out of it.
@@shootermcgavin4090 soon as you send me $900
How about a .327 versus a .380 that is using underwood ammo, what I carry.
There is always lost velocity and pressure due to gases escaping through the cylinder barrel gap of the revolvers Which is something you should mention when Comparing revolvers and semi auto/single action/double action blow back pistols at least until you get 2 pistols same caliber same barrel length same cartridge except ones a revolver and ones a semi auto pistol and do a little myth busting does cylinder barrel gap effect performance.
Great shooting at 25 yards! Too bad nobody makes a 100 grain softer defense load for 327...
Thanks. The Buffalo Bore 100 gr is in the middle, sort of softer. The problem is it's an XTP. A 100 gr Gold Dot at the 1,250 FPS or so Buffalo Bore gets in this snub would be perfect.
I am subbed, you do a good job, some of the comparisons are not like for like, but close enough, and I would like a .327, so if you see one, let me know.
Now a .380 and think the .327 would be more effective, how about carry over, maybe too much and hurt someone behind the primary target ?, that is why I do not do 9mm.
I have a question concerning noise or decibel level. Is there a possibility of disabling or disorienting the shooter from the decibel level of the the 327 or the 357 fired indoors? The reason I ask is I was 5 yards behind my daughter shooting a LCR 327 outdoors and experienced the 327 Gold Dot concussion/blast without hearing protection (Accidental...forgot my ears) behind here for one shot. It was actually painful and disorienting. i will never make that mistake again. In an emergency with no time for hearing protection, in an enclosed room at home or a small business, just wondering if the blast would actually disable me? The 327 is a whole different animal when it comes to noise.
From my understanding, while hearing damage is still possible, in a life or death situation, your ears that normally pick up a painful 150 db will only register 40 db, meaning you are not disoriented. I never experienced it personally, but it was something I was told at a firearm training class.
I ordered an LCR 327 about a year and a half ago I'm about ready to give up on it and get my money back
Always enjoy the 327 mag. videos. Can you tell me what brand of speed loader your using?
You said the 327 was better than 9mm but what about the price of ammunition ?
An important consideration these days. If you can't practice, it makes having a superior round less of an advantage.
If politics have tought you 1 thing since obummer was the criminal and chief is that you should own a reloading press and roll your own.
9mm always costs less than any centerfire ammo. Just how it is. To me it's not a problem as unlike 9mm, you really don't have to extensively vet your carry ammo. Sure you should buy 2 boxes and shoot one box to make sure the cases eject, the powder isn't so dirty it gunks anything up, and it shoots good for you. But it's not like the whole semi auto accepted procedure where you need to fire 200 rounds of your defensive hollow point ammo in your pistol to make sure it functions. So to me, the whole story taken into consideration, the cost of ammo issue is a non issue.
@@dude55ist Oh, sure. Blame the Pandemic and the world economy collapse on Obama! He's only been gone for five years of Trump's Enlightened Tax Cuts For Billionaires adding A TRILLION dollars per year to the deficit! And Obama was never even ACCUSED of any crimes..............................elsullo
Hey if you get a chance sometime could you please do a test on the double tap 327 fed mag 60 grain solid copper hollow points? It would be extremely interesting to me personally.
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tested 75 gr. Never heard of the 60 gr ones, must be new
@@GunSam yeah since shot show this year but it's advertised at 1800 fps
I have liked the .327 since it came out (the fact .32 S&W Long is it's grand-parent and it'll handle long, H&R "magnum" as well really makes me like it). How does the LCR compare to a J-frame insofar as overall size? Been a minute since I held one.
The LCR grip is a tad thicker, but other than that not much different. I have used J-frames and LCR's in the same pocket holster. Near identical.
@@GunSam - Cool, thanks. Slightly thicker grip probably means less felt recoil, maybe? I like the trigger on the LCR. Hmm ...
Do you have any 9mm snub nosed revolvers. Tim at Military Arms Channel has shown 9mm performs better than .38 special and sometimes equal to .357 magnum in snub nosed revolvers without the blast and recoil.
lol. His video was wrong. I don't have a 9mm revolver as I never saw one for sale in my stores I shop at. He used the weakest .38 and .357 ammo and good 9mm ammo. If you had the best 9mm+P ammo in a 9mm snub you would get as much as maybe 375 ft lbs. I have personally gotten rounds up to 600 ft lbs from my 2" Taurus .357 snub, but generally .357 in a snub is 100 ft lbs more than 9mm in a snub.
@@GunSam I too have seen some "iffy" selections in bullet loading choices in some popular Channels! Some are clearly designed to make the gun look bad; I have to wonder who was paid what? Ya gotta take anything on UA-cam with a grain of salt. Except Gun_Sam!..............................elsullo
Nickel plating is usually on higher pressure self defense rounds and higher quality hunting rounds in rifles. So no its not going to crack
Explain that to all the cracked nickel plated cases I have in .357 Mag lol.
@@GunSam Never had a case crack on any of my ammo
I miss the Bolonga and the water jugs
Ment Bologna didn't proofread before I submitted
Are you able to shoot any other calibers out of the 327 Magnum revolver?
Yes, also 32 magnum and 32 long and 32 short, but some can shoot 32 acp, but 32 acp and 32 short are too expensive and sometimes more than 32 long and 32 magnum
.357 mag. SJHP in a 340 PD. 1475 FPS.
125 gr.
Great for big boys with big strong arms.
#1.
It's annoying when after watching all those tests I always wish for a rimmed 9mil. ;-)
Is there a way to load 38 specials to high pressure 9 mil standards? Shorter case, that sort of a deal?
Yes but you have to shoot them in a .357 Magnum revolver. Just load .38 Short Colt brass with similar powder of 9mm with 125 gr bullets
@@GunSam Have you done a comparison of such loads with the 9, perchance?
And thank you for responding. I appreciate your willingness to help quite a lot.
Nice video 👍
Thank you.
That first 9mm shows that the 9, I love it, (me I am a 45er) and it can go through one person and kill a second..., so.
Yeah very cool and Macho of you. But what if, what if the person behind your intended target is a venison sweet bystander that never meant to leave this earth without saying goodbye to his or hers or themselves, these, etc( insert different genders here) loved ones
What is the heaviest 327mag you have tested so far? Tend to like the slower heavy loadings for use in my revolvers.
NOE .315 Keith 133gr hard cast, sized and lubed to .314, at about 1100-1150fps in 4 5/8" bbl works for me. Factory Federal AE 100gr JSP does 1600fps in same gun. In a .22 frame, you know you've touched off a magnum.
Ty
I own a 327 and I enjoy shooting it. Can someone tell me where to buy target ammo, I have a frustrating time looking for it on the net ? thx
Currently there's a lot of the 85 gr Federal soft point ammo, but it's low power, almost same ballistics as this Hydrashok but soft point. Just look on ammoseek and you will find some. Personally I get a kick out of shooting .32 S&W long out of it. Lots of fun and great accuracy.
@@GunSam Thanks Sam, have a great Christmas .
I know you said why you stopped using the jug or not box but I know at least I enjoyed seeing the package of lunch meat exploding when shot. Either way it was still another groovy video.
Surprised the327 mag didn’t get better penetration! I’m getting better penetration with my 380 xtreme defenders.
Good luck like trying to find it.
Ok..it's literally the most available.327 Federal ammo currently. It's everywhere, specifically the Hydrashok. Every person won't even need luck.
@@GunSam not in my area, I looked. I really like the .327 as CC.
I personally order all my ammo online. If you are in a place where that's not allowed, than of course your options are limited, but there was a time where .327 Federal was gone, nowhere online did it exist except for Buffalo Bore. Ammoseek shows a bunch of .327 Federal ammo available right now, the most that has been available in the past 4 years that I have owned a .327 Federal revolver. So your comment took me aback a bit, as it's backwards of my reality.
@@GunSam thanks for the heads-up
That 9mm wouldn't have over penitrated in organic,I've been watching comparisons of organic and clear gel
The 327 Mag is in this energy setting way less powerfull than the 9mm. It is comparable however with an 38 SPL +P+, meaning it is right between an 380 ACP (tipically around 150 ft-lbs) and an 38 SPL (tipically around 190 ft-lbs) or it's +P variants. 266 ft-lbs versus 329 ft-lbs is an considerable difference.
These should be compared with full power ammo and not low recoil.
I would consider the 327 Mag as the perfect universal defense round for EDC. The 357 Mag in an 2 incher is just to snappy and has to much blast and recoil. Remember in an defensive shooting you do not wear ear protection.
The only 9mm you can shoot without ear protection without ringing your ears is out of an Beretta 92 or Taurus PT92. An 357 Mag has surprisingly few recoil out of an Ruger GP100 6" revolver. But it has enough blast as to deafen you.
.327 Federal Gold Dot is something like 440 ft lbs in this snub and 500 ft lbs in a 3" barrel.
My comparisons are nearly all within the same brand and ammo line, period. Should have could have doesn't come into play.
.327 magnum ammo is extremely expensive. I'm happy with a SP 101 with .38 plus P loads from underwood Ammo Company. I never liked the 9 Mighty Mite, and i don't like/Hate Glocks, (Expensive Hi Ponts), So i'm good with the SP 101.
Sounds alot like 30 super carry
Ya, if that was a gut shot, it could easily go through or far enough into another person to kill them, what convinced me, was a LE that did my CC and he has seen 9mm that went through someone and a mail box, through both.
Thanks GSRA. Great job. Good info. God bless.
LETS GO BRANDON
not , lower muzzle blast. as it is deafening
So maybe it is good I watched your video and learned the .327 is a bit anemic.
So not only is 327 ammunition more expensive, it performs worse than any Underwood or Buffalo Bore 38 special.
.327 is more powerful. You just need the Gold Dot ammo
@@GunSam Ft lbs of muzzle energy of the Underwood .38 Special +P 125gr. eXtreme Terminal Performance (XTP®) Jacketed Hollow Point is 434 and the hard cast is 548, Gold Dot is 500. What I am saying is, for what little you gain, being able to practice with the 38 at half the cost is worth more than the gain. 90% of the people out there like me, don't have your shooting experience, and would be much better off with more practice if that makes any sense.
Luv these comparisons. Should be more subs for a channel like this🖖👽👍🤡🔫
30 SUPER CARRY !!