Just got the new 327 taurus, after watching you and discreet defence I went with the 100 gr gold dot for carry. Love all the 327/32 content, thanks for all the videos.
Gold Dot is the one that shines. I have dissected one, it's got a lot of powder, looks like Ramshot Enforcer and weighed higher than a typical max charge. Incredible energy, in a longer barrel with that powder type it should also be hitting .357 Magnum power.
@@GunSam Hah! More evidence those fluted bullets create damage just by tumbling. They seemed like a gimmick from the start. Have my eye on a 3 inch sp 101 in 327.
I've always liked the 32 caliber rounds. Auto and revolver. My 1st centerfire handgun, when I was 17, was a very old and battle worn, Iver Johnson- top break - 32 S&W (short only). I picked it up from a buddy for $20. He threw in a handful of green coated rounds for it. My GF bought me a leather IWB holster for it. And, she "liberated" a box of 32 ACP from her Dad and gave them to me. Being much younger, and dumber than I am now, I tried those in my 32. They fired just fine and I could tell they were much hotter than the green bullets. It's a miracle that old 1930 or 40"s revolver held up to those rounds !
Sweet tests! Thanks for the mention! The only .327 round I loved was the 100 gr Gold Dots. They penetrated 15"+ and expanded to over .50" even with 4 layers of new 14 oz denim. But I like what I'm seeing here from the 75 gr Double-Tap loaded Tac-XPs! Finally, those HSTs are almost miraculous out of short barrel 9mms.
I been patiently waiting for the new Federal HST in .357 Mag and .327 Federal announced at the beginning of the year. Gold Dots are pretty good, but wow are they powerful. I disassembled one and it had like 15 grains of Ramshot Enforcer powder, full to the top which is higher than load data shows, I think load data tops at 13.5 grains or so. In a 6" barrel that Gold Dot would have to be in the 600 FPE range!
I'd love an 8 round .327 snubby with a 2.5" barrel. I just love revolvers man. something about em. I feel safer carrying a revolver then a semi. I draw, point, and fire faster with the revolver. But I wont deny that my groups do spread a bit more with a revolver after the initial 2 shots.
Looks like Double Tap is excellent! I like the fast, accurate shooting with this revolver at a realistic distance. You can crap all over snubs, but that gun will keep you alive.
Had ruger sp101 with 3.5 inch barrel. Great shooting gun but I didn't like weight. Traded for same gun you have. Carry all the time and really don't know it's there. Use Hornady critical defense ammo. Your videos have a lot of common sense content. Keep them coming. Thanks
Great content. BTW after waiting for more than a year for it to be available, finally was able to buy the Ruger LCR .327 for my daughter... Planing to go soon to the range to test which cartridges she is able to handle for self defense: ordered the s&w 32 short and 32 long. Probably the 327 H&R and 327 fed magnum will be too hard for her -but I will having some fun shooting those hot cartridges nonetheless. Thanks Sam for your continuing teachings and guidance!
In all the years I’ve been watching range videos, this is done the best! It is thorough, succinct, and interesting, with no added B.S. and no inane banter. It is also professionally photographed. Ergo, my subscription.
Fun fun fun. The 327 and its family are definitely intriguing and versatile. The LCR is a great idea for carry. And Ruger has many interesting 7 shot single actions in 327, including a 3.75" with birdshead grips.......
Apparently my great grandfather had a 32 caliber revolver and From the very In formal testing that he did the penetration was very good. I'm glad to No that there's another revolver out there with a lot of ammo compatibility with a lot of other cartridge. Thanks !
With excellent bullets/ammo available, it is surprising the .32's have not become more popular in small revolvers. Good performance and one extra round compared to the 5 shot .38 revolvers.
Im a big LCR327 fan also own a LCR357 The revolver handles the recoil with a great grip and polymer grip frame … I carry a GX4 with 124gr HST standard pressure and a 856UL with 130gr HST But … the 32 H&R intrigues me … Im on the search for a Charter 32 H&R 6 shot with a aluminum frame .. 12.5 oz in a revolver closer to a I frame than a J frame … Thanks for your videos…extremely informative Also Charter is now building the 32 H&R professional 7 shot with a Aluminum Boxer frame … same size as the Bulldog frame … it has a 3 inch barrel….I have suggested building one with a two inch barrel… roughly it will weigh be the size and weight as the LCR327 but will be a 7 shot
I ordered an 856UL thru my local dealer. 6 months later, they offered me an 856 in stainless, weighs 22 ounces. They said they could cancel the original order, but the deposit would be non refundable, or take the one in stainless. I like the stainless,but its heavy
i carry an LCRx in .327 and this video has convinced me to switch to Critical Defense as my carry ammo since i found them to be more impressive in your test than the Double Tap.
You could order one online and have it shipped to an FFL. That's how I buy most of my guns. If it's bought from an out of state dealer, then you don't have to pay sales tax. Just watch out for shipping costs and dealer transfer fees.
@@sloppyjoe9369 yeah. My dealers were charging between 75 and 100 for the paperwork. I bought a p365 sig for less than the lcr. I'll get one if prices ever get reasonable
@@sloppyjoe9369 I know. Covid-19 really changed their thinking around here. Pure greed. They make the fees high to basically stop out of state purchases.
Big fan of the Xtreme defenders, something to be said about a round being able to dump its energy without expansion. Run them in my 380, better than HP rounds that do not reliably expand (risk of pass through) or expand and under penetrate. Like a weird compromise, give up possible expansion to ensure reliable, predictable penetration. The 327, I would think it has enough velocity for reliable expansion. I have been eyeballing a 327 for a long while, but I will wait until I can get into reloading.
I reload here and there for it, I find reloading .32 H&R Mag to be the best. With .327 reloads you got to get all fancy with the charges and crimps. With .32 H&R it's basically a mini .38 Special, can't mess it up but easily push an 85 gr at 1,000 FPS from a snub.
After more than half a century I finally figured it out... If you're old enough, you remember that the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry and most of the heroes on TV and in cowboy movies, would all THROW the bullets out of their guns. I always wondered why, but now I know. The guns were all in .32 S&W Long and therefore needed that little bit of extra help to make it out the end of the barrel!!!
I mean, I sort of liked it, the problem was the water. I would do a shot, have to basically disassemble my overhead camera, clean it, slip on mud, try to get back onto what I was doing. Doing 2 shots in gel is a 30 second transition. Two in jugs is like, 5 minutes and I cannot reuse jugs. Main point is it added stress and took away my personal fun, and no one wants to see my filming because I have to, they would rather see me relaxed.
Great video. I have the same LCR and carry daily with .32 H&R rounds. Easily the best cc imo.. my only downfall these days is ammo availability and pricing. Subscribed
I'm complained on one of your recent videos about not being able to find ammo anywhere at any price; then low and behold, this past Saturday one of my local LGSs was having a Glock Day so I went by and asked if they had any .327 Federal Mag, H&R, or .32 long. They said hadn't seen any of that for months. But I looked on the shelves anyway and found some .327 Federal American Eagle 100 Grain Jacketed Soft Points rated at 1500 fps and 500 fpe. Needless to say I purchased 200 rounds at .74 cents per round. Going to shoot some this week out of my Ruger 4' GP100. Maybe we will start seeing more of it available.
I been meaning to test that. I see it, then when I get paid it's gone, then once I get other supplies it appears again lol. One day I will have it. From what I understand, the 100 gr AE is equal to the 100 gr Speed Gold Dot (as Federal and Speer are sister companies) and the 85 gr AE is equal to the Federal Hydrashok 85 gr as far as energy. Huge difference, like 250 FPE for 85 gr and 430 FPE for 100 gr, and that's out of a 1.9" snub.
I want to buy a Taurus or Ruger LCRX in .327 fed mag but ammo is no where! If I could find places to buy .327 fed mag carry ammo and practice ammo and 32 ammo I’d buy one. I can find the guns online but very little ammo only.327 I seen was 50+ dollars a box of 20. Till ammo and gun market gets better I’m going have to stick with my S&w 360 with .357 or .38spl. I might just buy a LCRx in .357 vs waiting on the .327 ammo. Thanks for the reviews, I’m convinced the .327 would make a great carry gun, I def will buy one some day in not discontinued.
I'd really like to see the Buffalo Bore .32 Long wadcutters in gel if you ever get a chance. Wish they would make an aluminum framed LCR in .32 H&R @ 13.5 oz weight. Thanks for the videos!
Definite solid performers there! My curiosity with the Keith style hard cast and the wadcutter is if it does as much damage as those expensive Xtreme Defender bullets. I'm skeptical of the hydraulic action actually doing anything significant.
@ 3:50 to 5:30, to answer the question to your recent email. The Xtreme Defender is 1,223 FPS 315 FPE, the Critical Defense is 1,305 FPS 302 FPE. Granted the Critical Defense is lighter and faster, but...it didn't expand and still got more damage than the Xtreme Defender that had MORE energy.
@@GunSam And that is why I am looking into old school LSWC and WC loads. I just think the Xtreme Defender is pure gimmick based on an idea that just isn't right. It probably games ballistic gel though.
I have a Ruger SP101 3" in .327 Fed Mag. My friend has the LCR. His is definitely lighter for pocket carry. We both really liked the two. I have several .357 Mag revolvers. I just wanted something smaller. Plus, you can't ever have too many different revolvers. The only two I won't shoot are S&W top break revolvers. Not because they are around 100 yrs old. Because trying to find .38 S&W ammo is a nightmare and the price will almost give you a stroke 😳
Can't find H&R anywhere.... Hydro Shok and American Eagle 85 grain are easy to handle....got some 100 grain Speer and 127 grain Federal... not pleasant to shoot from 2" LCR.... not so bad from my 3" SP 101
That Ruger has a 1” shorter barrel then your 9m so that makes a offer a ce the American Eagle 100 gr is the carry choice in mine buI love shooting the 32 S&W longs and I carry the 32 H&R mags frequently also
I've been carrying a Taurus 327 lately, but my ammo is hand rolled with 100 grain XTPs at just under 1300 fps. Same load hits mid 1500 fps out of a 6-inch GP100.
I dont know if you saw the video but LuckyGunner tested 327 Federal and found only the Gold Dot load met all the SD requirements. The Hydrashock failed to expand or underpenetrated in a lot of shots and others were even worse.
If the industry made an centerfire magnum in the range of .20-.30 i think i would do everything I could to get my hands on it . Actually was leaning towards .257 and I believe there is an round in that range but I believe it's an tapered rifle round , I believe it's called .257 Robert's . If they did make an centerfire magnum round in .20-.30 range do you think it would be adequate for self defense and with the average size revolver how many rounds would fit in the cylinder , 8 , 9 , 10 etc . Actually I think I would be happy if they threw an primer in an 22lr/mag/short . Which draws up another question : if you make an 22 rimfire into an centerfire will it perform better in the regards of more power and/or more reliable ?
The problem though, is that primers are standardized in small, and large. Even a .25 ACP barely holds the small primer. I believe it was John Browning that wanted to go smaller for a centerfire handgun, but .25" was as small as it could be done, any smaller and there wouldn't be enough brass to hold the primer.
Totally agree! I have the ruger blackhawk in .327 with the 5 1/2" 8 round capacity. The longer barrel really shows what that caliber is capable of. I prefer shoting it way more than my GP 100, Smiths, and Colts in .357.
I use the Underwood Xtreme Defenders in true pocket 380’s and I’m considering them for snub nose j frames. For everything else, I’ve got sufficient confidence in regular jhp ammunition.
I'd carry the American Eagle 100 gr soft point or 100 gr Gold dot over any of these. Both expand equally in water jugs and expand to an identical dimension to the 9mm gold dot in the same medium.
Lower power rounds tend to print a little higher than higher power rounds in the same revolver. I'm not sure why but I suspect the faster, higher power round spends less time and are less affected by muzzle flip before exiting the barrel.
It's general velocity more than just energy. Like my 200 gr .38 Special "Super Police" rounds print 5" high at 7 yards despite being 200 FPE, while 125 gr with 200 FPE shoot point of aim.
Congrats on knowing the correct caliber for self defenders according to Federal, the new 30 cal they made looks good but I say but $600 Smith I don't like vs a $ 4,000.00 what brand is it? to much for my wallet. I would love to get it in a Beretta small frame tip up, or a 1911 compact lt wt.
Having not shot or tested 327 mag ammunition I go by outhers testing.its most definitely worthy for self defense.owning equal amounts of pistols and revolvers I still favor revolvers.iam equally effective with either one.but in view of the ammunition situations to the new shooter's I recommend good revolvers for adaptability of different calibers.32mag- 32 long, 357,38 sp,9 mm, 44 mag,,44 sp, 44 Russian., 45 acp, plus p, 45chamb super,450 smc for auto pistol providing it can handle thehigh chamber pressure .these are a wise decision being flexible with ammunition.papa wishing you well
I would probably have to hand load some, which I can do lol, not paying $100 for 50 that they run at now, I just have to get some 125 gr LRN bullets somewhere.
I know this is a late comment on this video, but as I was thinking about it, I wonder how the 327 Fed compares to the 300 Super Carry. Seems like that would be an interesting comparison, kinda think they’re analogs of each other.
They are more or less, like comparing 9mm to .357 Mag. Both are high pressured, I think both are 45,000 PSI or even 50,000 just like 9mm+P+ is higher than .357 Mag pressure, but the revolver case holds a lot more powder. In terms of short barrels a .357 Mag averages 450 ft lbs and a 9mm+P about 375 ft lbs. I would say about the same thing is going on with .327/.30 SC. Maybe about 400 ft lbs for the .327 snub and 325 ft lbs for the .30 SC in a subcompact. Comparable, but the .327/.30 SC are meant for shorter barrels and thus both will have less energy lost, making them more efficient and less recoiling.
How well do ya think the 327M could handle a charging Black Bear ? my concern where I walk are # 1 2 leg snake, # 2 poison snake, # 3 Black Bear with big cat close 4th.. Options Smith custom 642 in 357M un-fluted cylinder, ported barrel, butter trigger, vs 6 shot 38 +P+ Colt Dick Tracy vs Ruger sp101 38+P+ or Mod. 49 S&W bodyguard Lt Wt 38 spec. or or lol your LCR 327M ?
.357 Mag would probably do "better", but the 100 gr American Eagle soft point is going to be your best bet for .327 Federal, really powerful, pretty close to .357 Mag. A hard cast .38+P loaded by Underwood or Buffalo Bore is near as good as .357 or .327. Ultimately though, black bears are known for running away when shot with a .22 so I don't think anything you have wouldn't work, my only concern is a mother bear, in which case you need more than .38 Special in my opinion. I recall an old story where some animal control or park ranger had to shoot one in like the '80's with his 6 shot .357 Mag, and only on shot 6 did the bear stop. Honestly the S&W Governor I have would be a good choice if that were an option, .410 shot shells and hard cast .45 Colt would do very well for all your needs.
I wonder how a 327 would fare against black bear sized game. Some will say the 357 Mag is light for bear, but I have to wonder about those 130 grain 32 caliber pills that Buffalo Bore is loading. Could they tumble and not work like you showed here?
They probably would tumble. It's hard to say what they best option would be, but I would say probably as powerful as possible with minimal expansion. Buffalo Bore makes a mid range power 100 gr XTP that would probably work. The thing I hear about black bears is that they don't like being shot, it's rare you have to stop one. If it were me personally, although maybe some might say not ideal, I would use the Gold Dot 100 gr as it's the only one I know of exceeding 400 FPE in a snub.
They are mechanically bonded. Different companies have different definitions, like Gold Dot is bonded by electroplating type process, HST is bonded by a cannelure into the bullet itself. If they were not bonded, there would not be a cannelure on their semi auto bullets. I have never had an HST bullet lose it's jacket.
Your tests just serve to remind me why I carry Remington SJSP 125 gr. .357 mag. rounds in my EDC, a Taurus 605. Possibility of overpenetration? Certainly, but I'll trade that .357 punch for any .327.
@@GunSam Thank you for your well thought out reply. I guess I'm just a survivor of those days when I and my fellow officers had to rely on our revolvers and the .38s and 357s we carried. Perhaps there would be room for one of these .327 mags for my wife, who doesn't particularly like the recoil of her Sig P365 SAS auto. I'll look into it.
I'm just finding this video, so sorry this is so late. Have you since tried American Eagle (Fed) AE327? Seems to be a sort of unspoken favorite of those in the .327 community. It might expand better due t being a SP.
The performance of the nonexpanding 327 impressed me. Maybe the caliber would benefit from specialized ultralight bullet construction - like a copper solid cylinder with an aluminum ogive cone pressed on? Just a passing thought, and I’m more a “9mm subcompact” kinda guy, regardless, lol
No, I have been meaning to for the past 5 years, they were out of stock everywhere for like 4 years, been in stock for the past year but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
We gotta get you another thing to test ballistics on. I'm thinking a lead plate maybe? You can probably re cast it in a crappy old brick oven you leave outside for really cheap. We can think up with other mediums for you to test as well
@@Wild_Mann I have tested a lot of mediums in the past, but whatever is introduced would really need to be included in every single video, not easy. I used to do stacked 2x4's in every video, once in awhile water melons, used to do books and magazines. Not many people watched them so I switched to gel and people seem to watch more now.
@@GunSam taofladermaus I think it's called is a shotgun channel they use a 1" thick lead plate and they seem to get lots of views. Just a thought. The good thing is the plate is endlessly re-useable. Anyway I love the channel
So I'm only 6 years into guns..didn't grow up around them. Saw a picture on Google that blew me away... There are so. Many. Calibres... Like over 200?!?
I'm pretty excited we may see 115 grain hollow point components come back, thanks to 30 Super Carry (or 32 auto mag as I call it). I haven't seen Speer Gold Dot 115 327FM for about 5 years. I've been loading GT bullets 115 lswchp and Acme 115 swc the last couple years.
I would like to, but acquiring a pistol isn't easy. People think I am a professional, but adding a pistol to what I do is beyond my income. I will when I can but I have some other projects I want to do first that cost less, like a .357 Sig barrel for my .40
@@GunSam completely understandable brother if I had the money I'd donate one to the cause. Unfortunately money isn't so easy to come by and the pandemic and panic buying still has prices all jacked up. You make amazing content, and enjoy it all.. I really hope they put the 30 super carry in the lcp max platform but I feel they probably won't. I understand it would have pretty sharp recoil, but I wouldn't mind it for 15+1 in a package that small, especially the the ballistics of 30sc.
@@GunSam I've been waiting to see 357 sig. I came close to buying an m&p ez in 30 super carry, but I opted for a 3 inch revolver instead. It's the 856 defender and fortunately I haven't had none of the accuracy issues you had when you reviewed the gun. I will say it does favor the lighter rounds though, over the heavier ones. I was shooting golden sabers and critical defense and I was hitting 20oz water bottles placed atop a fence post at 15 yards. I have the vz griped, two toned version. I love the gun, but I find myself not wanting to carry it, because I love the finish, so it's primarily a back up to my regular 856. You were very right about 3 inch barrels being the sweet spot. Getting a quick acquisition from concealment has been pretty smooth. I'm sold on taurus guns at this point, if they came out with a g2c in 30 super carry, I may have to bite the bullet and pick up that wallet. The gun Im leaning to now though, is a mini 30, I really do need a carbine rifle.
Yeah, I mean 9mm is the most reliable of semi auto calibers, but still susceptible to jams. Like, with my DB9 it jams on anything HP, my G2C is relatively reliable, but every 50 shots or so it jams on a HP. My big 9mm's never jam. But that's the key, big guns, both are great, small guns, the revolver wins hands down for reliability.
Because when I have tried it in the past, 80% of the time I don't get a read. It is really really difficult to move the tripod to exactly where the sensors need to be for every gel shot. If you didn't know, even going an inch right or left can cause a no read, that's why I center it to my target bullseye.
Just got the new 327 taurus, after watching you and discreet defence I went with the 100 gr gold dot for carry. Love all the 327/32 content, thanks for all the videos.
Gold Dot is the one that shines. I have dissected one, it's got a lot of powder, looks like Ramshot Enforcer and weighed higher than a typical max charge. Incredible energy, in a longer barrel with that powder type it should also be hitting .357 Magnum power.
Where to get the .327 ? Send link in reply, Please.
★ Came over on the link from the u tube short. Got to say it's impressive. I see one coming soon.
Thank you-G.S.!
@@GunSam Hah! More evidence those fluted bullets create damage just by tumbling. They seemed like a gimmick from the start. Have my eye on a 3 inch sp 101 in 327.
I've always liked the 32 caliber rounds. Auto and revolver. My 1st centerfire handgun, when I was 17, was a very old and battle worn, Iver Johnson- top break - 32 S&W (short only). I picked it up from a buddy for $20. He threw in a handful of green coated rounds for it. My GF bought me a leather IWB holster for it. And, she "liberated" a box of 32 ACP from her Dad and gave them to me. Being much younger, and dumber than I am now, I tried those in my 32. They fired just fine and I could tell they were much hotter than the green bullets. It's a miracle that old 1930 or 40"s revolver held up to those rounds !
Sweet tests! Thanks for the mention! The only .327 round I loved was the 100 gr Gold Dots. They penetrated 15"+ and expanded to over .50" even with 4 layers of new 14 oz denim. But I like what I'm seeing here from the 75 gr Double-Tap loaded Tac-XPs! Finally, those HSTs are almost miraculous out of short barrel 9mms.
I been patiently waiting for the new Federal HST in .357 Mag and .327 Federal announced at the beginning of the year. Gold Dots are pretty good, but wow are they powerful. I disassembled one and it had like 15 grains of Ramshot Enforcer powder, full to the top which is higher than load data shows, I think load data tops at 13.5 grains or so. In a 6" barrel that Gold Dot would have to be in the 600 FPE range!
I'd love an 8 round .327 snubby with a 2.5" barrel. I just love revolvers man. something about em. I feel safer carrying a revolver then a semi. I draw, point, and fire faster with the revolver. But I wont deny that my groups do spread a bit more with a revolver after the initial 2 shots.
Nice work. The .327 has always intrigued me. I do agree the versatility is a big plus.
Looks like Double Tap is excellent! I like the fast, accurate shooting with this revolver at a realistic distance. You can crap all over snubs, but that gun will keep you alive.
Had ruger sp101 with 3.5 inch barrel. Great shooting gun but I didn't like weight. Traded for same gun you have. Carry all the time and really don't know it's there. Use Hornady critical defense ammo. Your videos have a lot of common sense content. Keep them coming. Thanks
Great content. BTW after waiting for more than a year for it to be available, finally was able to buy the Ruger LCR .327 for my daughter... Planing to go soon to the range to test which cartridges she is able to handle for self defense: ordered the s&w 32 short and 32 long. Probably the 327 H&R and 327 fed magnum will be too hard for her -but I will having some fun shooting those hot cartridges nonetheless. Thanks Sam for your continuing teachings and guidance!
32 H&R are not bad...32 long piece of cake
Many Thanks
Great show. I love the 327 it's one of my favorite rounds. It has so many round choices and all the power you could want. Awesome gun to.
I'm depending on Federal HST in most of my semi-auto handguns, except the .380 I'm using the Underwood extreme defenders.
In all the years I’ve been watching range videos, this is done the best! It is thorough, succinct, and interesting, with no added B.S. and no inane banter. It is also professionally photographed. Ergo, my subscription.
Fun fun fun. The 327 and its family are definitely intriguing and versatile. The LCR is a great idea for carry. And Ruger has many interesting 7 shot single actions in 327, including a 3.75" with birdshead grips.......
Apparently my great grandfather had a 32 caliber revolver and From the very In formal testing that he did the penetration was very good. I'm glad to No that there's another revolver out there with a lot of ammo compatibility with a lot of other cartridge. Thanks !
With excellent bullets/ammo available, it is surprising the .32's have not become more popular in small revolvers. Good performance and one extra round compared to the 5 shot .38 revolvers.
Im a big LCR327 fan also own a LCR357
The revolver handles the recoil with a great grip and polymer grip frame …
I carry a GX4 with 124gr HST standard pressure and a 856UL with 130gr HST
But … the 32 H&R intrigues me … Im on the search for a Charter 32 H&R 6 shot with a aluminum frame .. 12.5 oz in a revolver closer to a I frame than a J frame …
Thanks for your videos…extremely informative
Also Charter is now building the 32 H&R professional 7 shot with a Aluminum Boxer frame … same size as the Bulldog frame … it has a 3 inch barrel….I have suggested building one with a two inch barrel… roughly it will weigh be the size and weight as the LCR327 but will be a 7 shot
I ordered an 856UL thru my local dealer. 6 months later, they offered me an 856 in stainless, weighs 22 ounces. They said they could cancel the original order, but the deposit would be non refundable, or take the one in stainless. I like the stainless,but its heavy
i carry an LCRx in .327 and this video has convinced me to switch to Critical Defense as my carry ammo since i found them to be more impressive in your test than the Double Tap.
Extremely impressed with the 327 Fed Mag Double Tap Solid Copper 75 grain Hollow Point ! That’s a vicious little flower !
Yeah it was quite cool. Expanded to a good 9mm expansion, but starting at only .312"!
Again and again and again the HST and the Barnes all copper hollowpoints perform impressively and reliably.
I love your videos, man!
The lcr in .327 federal is something I've wanted the past couple of years. Only issue is my local dealers are charging close to 900 a copy...
You could order one online and have it shipped to an FFL. That's how I buy most of my guns. If it's bought from an out of state dealer, then you don't have to pay sales tax. Just watch out for shipping costs and dealer transfer fees.
@@sloppyjoe9369 yeah. My dealers were charging between 75 and 100 for the paperwork. I bought a p365 sig for less than the lcr. I'll get one if prices ever get reasonable
I'm seeing the
Smith model 637/638 in the mid 5s now!
That's crazy, that they charge that much for a transfer fee. I live in the San Antonio, TX area and most ffl's around here charge $20 to $30.
@@sloppyjoe9369 I know. Covid-19 really changed their thinking around here. Pure greed. They make the fees high to basically stop out of state purchases.
Just got the new Taurus .327 snub
As you said early in this video, ‘it’s fun.’ 😁👍🇺🇸
Good video. Interesting comparison. Thanks for sharing. Take care.
Very helpful, thanks.
Big fan of the Xtreme defenders, something to be said about a round being able to dump its energy without expansion. Run them in my 380, better than HP rounds that do not reliably expand (risk of pass through) or expand and under penetrate. Like a weird compromise, give up possible expansion to ensure reliable, predictable penetration. The 327, I would think it has enough velocity for reliable expansion.
I have been eyeballing a 327 for a long while, but I will wait until I can get into reloading.
I reload here and there for it, I find reloading .32 H&R Mag to be the best. With .327 reloads you got to get all fancy with the charges and crimps. With .32 H&R it's basically a mini .38 Special, can't mess it up but easily push an 85 gr at 1,000 FPS from a snub.
@@GunSam Hmm, I reload the .327 just fine. Like the H&R also!!
After more than half a century I finally figured it out... If you're old enough, you remember that the Lone Ranger, Roy Rogers, Gene Autry and most of the heroes on TV and in cowboy movies, would all THROW the bullets out of their guns. I always wondered why, but now I know. The guns were all in .32 S&W Long and therefore needed that little bit of extra help to make it out the end of the barrel!!!
Entertaining as always Sam. I'm glad the gel gets you more views, I still sometimes miss the bologna impact... Lol
Especially when the bologna attacks LOL
I mean, I sort of liked it, the problem was the water. I would do a shot, have to basically disassemble my overhead camera, clean it, slip on mud, try to get back onto what I was doing. Doing 2 shots in gel is a 30 second transition. Two in jugs is like, 5 minutes and I cannot reuse jugs. Main point is it added stress and took away my personal fun, and no one wants to see my filming because I have to, they would rather see me relaxed.
Agreed, good job as always.
I just got the lcrx love it
Great video. I have the same LCR and carry daily with .32 H&R rounds. Easily the best cc imo.. my only downfall these days is ammo availability and pricing. Subscribed
I'm complained on one of your recent videos about not being able to find ammo anywhere at any price; then low and behold, this past Saturday one of my local LGSs was having a Glock Day so I went by and asked if they had any .327 Federal Mag, H&R, or .32 long. They said hadn't seen any of that for months. But I looked on the shelves anyway and found some .327 Federal American Eagle 100 Grain Jacketed Soft Points rated at 1500 fps and 500 fpe. Needless to say I purchased 200 rounds at .74 cents per round. Going to shoot some this week out of my Ruger 4' GP100. Maybe we will start seeing more of it available.
I been meaning to test that. I see it, then when I get paid it's gone, then once I get other supplies it appears again lol. One day I will have it. From what I understand, the 100 gr AE is equal to the 100 gr Speed Gold Dot (as Federal and Speer are sister companies) and the 85 gr AE is equal to the Federal Hydrashok 85 gr as far as energy. Huge difference, like 250 FPE for 85 gr and 430 FPE for 100 gr, and that's out of a 1.9" snub.
@@GunSam mine says 370 for 85 and 500 for 100 grain 3" SP101
I want to buy a Taurus or Ruger LCRX in .327 fed mag but ammo is no where! If I could find places to buy .327 fed mag carry ammo and practice ammo and 32 ammo I’d buy one. I can find the guns online but very little ammo only.327 I seen was 50+ dollars a box of 20. Till ammo and gun market gets better I’m going have to stick with my S&w 360 with .357 or .38spl. I might just buy a LCRx in .357 vs waiting on the .327 ammo. Thanks for the reviews, I’m convinced the .327 would make a great carry gun, I def will buy one some day in not discontinued.
I'd really like to see the Buffalo Bore .32 Long wadcutters in gel if you ever get a chance. Wish they would make an aluminum framed LCR in .32 H&R @ 13.5 oz weight. Thanks for the videos!
I believe that S&W used to make a revolver just like that
@@GunSamThe .32 magnum Airweight and Airlite models.
Definite solid performers there! My curiosity with the Keith style hard cast and the wadcutter is if it does as much damage as those expensive Xtreme Defender bullets. I'm skeptical of the hydraulic action actually doing anything significant.
@ 3:50 to 5:30, to answer the question to your recent email. The Xtreme Defender is 1,223 FPS 315 FPE, the Critical Defense is 1,305 FPS 302 FPE. Granted the Critical Defense is lighter and faster, but...it didn't expand and still got more damage than the Xtreme Defender that had MORE energy.
@@GunSam And that is why I am looking into old school LSWC and WC loads. I just think the Xtreme Defender is pure gimmick based on an idea that just isn't right. It probably games ballistic gel though.
I share a similar sentiment.
Thanks. I wonder how the .327 federal magnum American Eagle 100 grain and 85 grain with soft lead tip would do? The 100 grain really kicks.
I have a Ruger SP101 3" in .327 Fed Mag. My friend has the LCR. His is definitely lighter for pocket carry. We both really liked the two. I have several .357 Mag revolvers. I just wanted something smaller. Plus, you can't ever have too many different revolvers. The only two I won't shoot are S&W top break revolvers. Not because they are around 100 yrs old. Because trying to find .38 S&W ammo is a nightmare and the price will almost give you a stroke 😳
Can't find H&R anywhere.... Hydro Shok and American Eagle 85 grain are easy to handle....got some 100 grain Speer and 127 grain Federal... not pleasant to shoot from 2" LCR.... not so bad from my 3" SP 101
That Ruger has a 1” shorter barrel then your 9m so that makes a offer a ce the American Eagle 100 gr is the carry choice in mine buI love shooting the 32 S&W longs and I carry the 32 H&R mags frequently also
I've been carrying a Taurus 327 lately, but my ammo is hand rolled with 100 grain XTPs at just under 1300 fps. Same load hits mid 1500 fps out of a 6-inch GP100.
I dont know if you saw the video but LuckyGunner tested 327 Federal and found only the Gold Dot load met all the SD requirements. The Hydrashock failed to expand or underpenetrated in a lot of shots and others were even worse.
If the industry made an centerfire magnum in the range of .20-.30 i think i would do everything I could to get my hands on it . Actually was leaning towards .257 and I believe there is an round in that range but I believe it's an tapered rifle round , I believe it's called .257 Robert's . If they did make an centerfire magnum round in .20-.30 range do you think it would be adequate for self defense and with the average size revolver how many rounds would fit in the cylinder , 8 , 9 , 10 etc . Actually I think I would be happy if they threw an primer in an 22lr/mag/short . Which draws up another question : if you make an 22 rimfire into an centerfire will it perform better in the regards of more power and/or more reliable ?
The problem though, is that primers are standardized in small, and large. Even a .25 ACP barely holds the small primer. I believe it was John Browning that wanted to go smaller for a centerfire handgun, but .25" was as small as it could be done, any smaller and there wouldn't be enough brass to hold the primer.
I’m hoping after the fall midterms, prices will go back down & I can get a Ruger .327 at a reasonable price.
We all need to chip in to get the channel a different barrel length in 327 I'm thinking a 4" or 5",
Totally agree! I have the ruger blackhawk in .327 with the 5 1/2" 8 round capacity. The longer barrel really shows what that caliber is capable of. I prefer shoting it way more than my GP 100, Smiths, and Colts in .357.
My 3"" SP 101 supposed to get 200 more fps than my 2"LCR
@@caseyclanton916that Blackhawk sounds awesome
I use the Underwood Xtreme Defenders in true pocket 380’s and I’m considering them for snub nose j frames. For everything else, I’ve got sufficient confidence in regular jhp ammunition.
I'd carry the American Eagle 100 gr soft point or 100 gr Gold dot over any of these. Both expand equally in water jugs and expand to an identical dimension to the 9mm gold dot in the same medium.
Going to pick up a Taurus 327 Stainless model Hammerless 350.00 out the door new round for me
Lower power rounds tend to print a little higher than higher power rounds in the same revolver. I'm not sure why but I suspect the faster, higher power round spends less time and are less affected by muzzle flip before exiting the barrel.
It's general velocity more than just energy. Like my 200 gr .38 Special "Super Police" rounds print 5" high at 7 yards despite being 200 FPE, while 125 gr with 200 FPE shoot point of aim.
@@GunSam well I'm glad I'm not the only one who's seen that. Kinda confirms my suspicion.
Congrats on knowing the correct caliber for self defenders according to Federal, the new 30 cal they made looks good but I say but $600 Smith I don't like vs a $ 4,000.00 what brand is it? to much for my wallet. I would love to get it in a Beretta small frame tip up, or a 1911 compact lt wt.
Having not shot or tested 327 mag ammunition I go by outhers testing.its most definitely worthy for self defense.owning equal amounts of pistols and revolvers I still favor revolvers.iam equally effective with either one.but in view of the ammunition situations to the new shooter's I recommend good revolvers for adaptability of different calibers.32mag- 32 long, 357,38 sp,9 mm, 44 mag,,44 sp, 44 Russian., 45 acp, plus p, 45chamb super,450 smc for auto pistol providing it can handle thehigh chamber pressure .these are a wise decision being flexible with ammunition.papa wishing you well
thanks for the link Gun_Sam! 🤩
I really wish I could find a .327 revolver in my area (East Central Wisconsin). Have been looking for several years, never seen one in a shop.
I would like to see the .38 short colt in gel.
I would probably have to hand load some, which I can do lol, not paying $100 for 50 that they run at now, I just have to get some 125 gr LRN bullets somewhere.
I know this is a late comment on this video, but as I was thinking about it, I wonder how the 327 Fed compares to the 300 Super Carry. Seems like that would be an interesting comparison, kinda think they’re analogs of each other.
They are more or less, like comparing 9mm to .357 Mag. Both are high pressured, I think both are 45,000 PSI or even 50,000 just like 9mm+P+ is higher than .357 Mag pressure, but the revolver case holds a lot more powder. In terms of short barrels a .357 Mag averages 450 ft lbs and a 9mm+P about 375 ft lbs. I would say about the same thing is going on with .327/.30 SC. Maybe about 400 ft lbs for the .327 snub and 325 ft lbs for the .30 SC in a subcompact. Comparable, but the .327/.30 SC are meant for shorter barrels and thus both will have less energy lost, making them more efficient and less recoiling.
How well do ya think the 327M could handle a charging Black Bear ? my concern where I walk are # 1 2 leg snake, # 2 poison snake, # 3 Black Bear with big cat close 4th.. Options Smith custom 642 in 357M un-fluted cylinder, ported barrel, butter trigger, vs 6 shot 38 +P+ Colt Dick Tracy vs Ruger sp101 38+P+ or Mod. 49 S&W bodyguard Lt Wt 38 spec. or or lol your LCR 327M ?
.357 Mag would probably do "better", but the 100 gr American Eagle soft point is going to be your best bet for .327 Federal, really powerful, pretty close to .357 Mag. A hard cast .38+P loaded by Underwood or Buffalo Bore is near as good as .357 or .327. Ultimately though, black bears are known for running away when shot with a .22 so I don't think anything you have wouldn't work, my only concern is a mother bear, in which case you need more than .38 Special in my opinion. I recall an old story where some animal control or park ranger had to shoot one in like the '80's with his 6 shot .357 Mag, and only on shot 6 did the bear stop. Honestly the S&W Governor I have would be a good choice if that were an option, .410 shot shells and hard cast .45 Colt would do very well for all your needs.
I wonder how a 327 would fare against black bear sized game. Some will say the 357 Mag is light for bear, but I have to wonder about those 130 grain 32 caliber pills that Buffalo Bore is loading. Could they tumble and not work like you showed here?
They probably would tumble. It's hard to say what they best option would be, but I would say probably as powerful as possible with minimal expansion. Buffalo Bore makes a mid range power 100 gr XTP that would probably work. The thing I hear about black bears is that they don't like being shot, it's rare you have to stop one. If it were me personally, although maybe some might say not ideal, I would use the Gold Dot 100 gr as it's the only one I know of exceeding 400 FPE in a snub.
@@GunSam I have some 127 grain Federal design for Henry lever action... kick like a mule out of 2" LCR or 3" SP 101
I thought HST's were not bonded, they don't look bonded when they're expanded
They aren't bonded.
They are mechanically bonded. Different companies have different definitions, like Gold Dot is bonded by electroplating type process, HST is bonded by a cannelure into the bullet itself. If they were not bonded, there would not be a cannelure on their semi auto bullets. I have never had an HST bullet lose it's jacket.
That yellow silhouette target got .32 longed to ☠️
What holster do you use for pocket carry? I plan to pocket carry my Ruger LCR .327 Magnum; I do not like appendix/IWB carry.
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Your tests just serve to remind me why I carry Remington SJSP 125 gr. .357 mag. rounds in my EDC, a Taurus 605. Possibility of overpenetration? Certainly, but I'll trade that .357 punch for any .327.
The Gold Dot .327 is not joke though. About 1,400 FPS/435 ft lbs is what I get in this snub. They go to a good 18" and expand to a half inch.
@@GunSam Thank you for your well thought out reply. I guess I'm just a survivor of those days when I and my fellow officers had to rely on our revolvers and the .38s and 357s we carried. Perhaps there would be room for one of these .327 mags for my wife, who doesn't particularly like the recoil of her Sig P365 SAS auto. I'll look into it.
The best idea in a pocket pistol.
I'm just finding this video, so sorry this is so late. Have you since tried American Eagle (Fed) AE327? Seems to be a sort of unspoken favorite of those in the .327 community. It might expand better due t being a SP.
.327 vs .30 SC please
The performance of the nonexpanding 327 impressed me. Maybe the caliber would benefit from specialized ultralight bullet construction - like a copper solid cylinder with an aluminum ogive cone pressed on? Just a passing thought, and I’m more a “9mm subcompact” kinda guy, regardless, lol
Is this pistol good for someone with bad arthritis? Pulling the trigger and recoil?
I carry the federal 100 grain 327 soft points. Have you ever tried those thank you.
No, I have been meaning to for the past 5 years, they were out of stock everywhere for like 4 years, been in stock for the past year but I just haven't gotten around to it yet.
Have you ever tried the Double Tap 327 Fed Mag 60gr LEAD FREE?
Can we get a revolver 30 super carry vs 327fm comparison as its said that it fits with a moon clip,
We gotta get you another thing to test ballistics on. I'm thinking a lead plate maybe? You can probably re cast it in a crappy old brick oven you leave outside for really cheap. We can think up with other mediums for you to test as well
Why do we "got to" get me another thing to test?
@@GunSam because it's funner that way of course!
@@Wild_Mann I have tested a lot of mediums in the past, but whatever is introduced would really need to be included in every single video, not easy. I used to do stacked 2x4's in every video, once in awhile water melons, used to do books and magazines. Not many people watched them so I switched to gel and people seem to watch more now.
@@GunSam taofladermaus I think it's called is a shotgun channel they use a 1" thick lead plate and they seem to get lots of views. Just a thought. The good thing is the plate is endlessly re-useable. Anyway I love the channel
@@GunSam ua-cam.com/video/xTLt9-hVLJw/v-deo.html
My daily carry is a .327 loaded in 32 H&R.
Simple science? The Xtreme Defense is quite barrier blind. It performs consistently pretty much anyway. Most HP do not.
So I'm only 6 years into guns..didn't grow up around them.
Saw a picture on Google that blew me away... There are so. Many. Calibres... Like over 200?!?
There's got to be more than that. Many are wildcats and or older and people don't know much about them.
Will .327 speed loaders work with .32 long?
they should
I'm pretty excited we may see 115 grain hollow point components come back, thanks to 30 Super Carry (or 32 auto mag as I call it). I haven't seen Speer Gold Dot 115 327FM for about 5 years.
I've been loading GT bullets 115 lswchp and Acme 115 swc the last couple years.
How much is a box of 32 s&w long cost these days?
$55 for 50;at Dunham's
Nice tee shirt. .32 Long is way under rated.
Love your comment re: shooting at 100 yards. It's fun hahah
.327 is legit too bad so expensive. Hst and punch make all the short barrelled micro 9mms totally viable easy carry
yeah they are pretty good. Gold Dot is okay, they just don't have those sharp petals, and those petals add to the expanded diameter.
9mm wins here in my book. Copper expander 327 isn't a fail. But not the best either. Not terrible. Thank you.
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Speaking of 30 super carry do you plan to test and compare it anytime soon?
I would like to, but acquiring a pistol isn't easy. People think I am a professional, but adding a pistol to what I do is beyond my income. I will when I can but I have some other projects I want to do first that cost less, like a .357 Sig barrel for my .40
@@GunSam completely understandable brother if I had the money I'd donate one to the cause.
Unfortunately money isn't so easy to come by and the pandemic and panic buying still has prices all jacked up.
You make amazing content, and enjoy it all.. I really hope they put the 30 super carry in the lcp max platform but I feel they probably won't.
I understand it would have pretty sharp recoil, but I wouldn't mind it for 15+1 in a package that small, especially the the ballistics of 30sc.
@@GunSam I've been waiting to see 357 sig. I came close to buying an m&p ez in 30 super carry, but I opted for a 3 inch revolver instead. It's the 856 defender and fortunately I haven't had none of the accuracy issues you had when you reviewed the gun. I will say it does favor the lighter rounds though, over the heavier ones. I was shooting golden sabers and critical defense and I was hitting 20oz water bottles placed atop a fence post at 15 yards. I have the vz griped, two toned version. I love the gun, but I find myself not wanting to carry it, because I love the finish, so it's primarily a back up to my regular 856. You were very right about 3 inch barrels being the sweet spot. Getting a quick acquisition from concealment has been pretty smooth. I'm sold on taurus guns at this point, if they came out with a g2c in 30 super carry, I may have to bite the bullet and pick up that wallet. The gun Im leaning to now though, is a mini 30, I really do need a carbine rifle.
The .327 will be more flexible than 9mm as revolvers will fire anything but with automatics once you start fiddling around you'll probably get jams.
Yeah, I mean 9mm is the most reliable of semi auto calibers, but still susceptible to jams. Like, with my DB9 it jams on anything HP, my G2C is relatively reliable, but every 50 shots or so it jams on a HP. My big 9mm's never jam. But that's the key, big guns, both are great, small guns, the revolver wins hands down for reliability.
Yet again 9 mili still out performing those round
With these rounds. The speer gold dot has more energy from a 2 inch barrel than the 9mm does from a 4 inch barrel
Penetration > expansion… to a point
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Not exactly the same. The second ..327 curved
Stretching it out might add a half inch. That's splitting hairs which I don't do on my channel.
Every single shot was right...
I’ll take a 9 mili over any but a 10 mili
Always aim low. Without stesticles they lose their will to fight.
Why not use the chronograph at the same time? Killing 2 birds with one shot?? 😆
Because when I have tried it in the past, 80% of the time I don't get a read. It is really really difficult to move the tripod to exactly where the sensors need to be for every gel shot. If you didn't know, even going an inch right or left can cause a no read, that's why I center it to my target bullseye.
i would carry any of that weak stuff
As matter of fact 5 feet group at 100 yards isn't bad from such a small handgun 🥸