The thing you have to understand about Neuts is this: Your PvP enemy usually doesn't just sit there and run out of cap, the oftentimes use a capbooster. If you fly the Armageddon like you did in the Video, with all Neuts cycling at once, then what will happen against most pilots is that you will Neut them dry, and just after that they will inject. Your unheated Heavy Neut cycle time is 24 seconds, while the unheated capbooster cycle + reload is 22 seconds. So the pilot can simply wait for your Neuts to go of again and then inject after that. What you really need to do to be effective is stagger the Neuts so that no matter when the guy injects, you will make him cap dry afterwards again. Fitting some medium neuts for this really helps as well as they only have a 12 second cycletime, but you loose some range. For the Vargur, the situation is something like this: He will inject cap at a rate of roughly 150 GJ/s. You Armageddon here will neut about 125 GJ/s (The Nosses don't do anything as you will be higher cap than him because you are not running an active tank) and the Shield Boooster will use about 100 GJ/s. So essentially he as 150 GJ/s in and 225 GJ/s out, meaning he will only have cap to run stuff two thirds of the time, and will be capped out one third of the time. This means that his effective tank goes down by about 33%. This will still be more tank than your Armageddon can break alone, ideally you check with your other DPS so you have enough to break it in under 100 seconds, because that is about the time a T2 fit Vargur needs to kill you. For the fit, you are running 3 Multispectrum Energized Membrane IIs. This is usually not the most efficient move, as due to stacking penalty the 3rd one is only 53% effective. It also doesn't help with your resist profile: A Vargur shooting Hail for example will exactly hit your Explosive/Kinetic Hole, reducing the time it needs to kill you by a further 10% to 90 seconds. You could try an Explosive Hardener or Membrane for example, to reduce the Hole. These are still stacking penalized, but since they only affect one resist the 53% only applies to one of the four resists the other MEMs give you, making it more efficient. You will likely loose some overall EHP doing this, but you will have more EHP when it matters (like against a Vargur, or any decent pilot that knows T1 resist profiles). Another way to go is to use a Reactive Armor Hardener, as it is not stacking penalized with the MEMs but only with the Damage Control, making everything at least 80% efficient.
@@abc1908 depends. Everything in eve depends, reactive pushes your hole plug overtime. The other one is immediate for a certain amount of resist. Personally I'd take the reactive if I plan on sticking around and can handle the incoming damage.
As a note: I made this video with a broken headset, I am sorry if the sound quality is a bit lower than normally, it was tough with one of the earbuds dangling off. I hope you guys enjoy the video anyways! :D Also if you do get kills with this armageddon feel free to link them below in the comments! Let's see what we can achieve together.
Whilst you make some excellent points, your mistake was comparing it to a vargur. I’m not sure what kids do now days, but in my day we used to dual/tripple xlasb vargur’s with drugs and head candy (implants) and geddons were an easy meal (because they are usually cocky). Sure there were a many a geddon who got away…but a competent vargur pilot is going to destroy any geddon that sticks around for the fight. In summation: Geddons are great…but don’t sell people on the idea that they have any chance solo against a vargur flown by someone who knows what they are doing…the only outcomes are the vargur wins OR the geddon dips. Opinion based on over 15 years of playing eve (although I don’t play these days)
It was the only footage I had recorded at the time. I just started the channel recently and I usually don't record. I also didn't want backup for the stabber, people just came.
The thing you have to understand about Neuts is this: Your PvP enemy usually doesn't just sit there and run out of cap, the oftentimes use a capbooster. If you fly the Armageddon like you did in the Video, with all Neuts cycling at once, then what will happen against most pilots is that you will Neut them dry, and just after that they will inject. Your unheated Heavy Neut cycle time is 24 seconds, while the unheated capbooster cycle + reload is 22 seconds. So the pilot can simply wait for your Neuts to go of again and then inject after that. What you really need to do to be effective is stagger the Neuts so that no matter when the guy injects, you will make him cap dry afterwards again. Fitting some medium neuts for this really helps as well as they only have a 12 second cycletime, but you loose some range.
For the Vargur, the situation is something like this: He will inject cap at a rate of roughly 150 GJ/s. You Armageddon here will neut about 125 GJ/s (The Nosses don't do anything as you will be higher cap than him because you are not running an active tank) and the Shield Boooster will use about 100 GJ/s. So essentially he as 150 GJ/s in and 225 GJ/s out, meaning he will only have cap to run stuff two thirds of the time, and will be capped out one third of the time. This means that his effective tank goes down by about 33%. This will still be more tank than your Armageddon can break alone, ideally you check with your other DPS so you have enough to break it in under 100 seconds, because that is about the time a T2 fit Vargur needs to kill you.
For the fit, you are running 3 Multispectrum Energized Membrane IIs. This is usually not the most efficient move, as due to stacking penalty the 3rd one is only 53% effective. It also doesn't help with your resist profile: A Vargur shooting Hail for example will exactly hit your Explosive/Kinetic Hole, reducing the time it needs to kill you by a further 10% to 90 seconds. You could try an Explosive Hardener or Membrane for example, to reduce the Hole. These are still stacking penalized, but since they only affect one resist the 53% only applies to one of the four resists the other MEMs give you, making it more efficient. You will likely loose some overall EHP doing this, but you will have more EHP when it matters (like against a Vargur, or any decent pilot that knows T1 resist profiles). Another way to go is to use a Reactive Armor Hardener, as it is not stacking penalized with the MEMs but only with the Damage Control, making everything at least 80% efficient.
so is it better to plus your resist hole or fit a Reactive Armor Hardener when is come to fitting armor ships?
@@abc1908 depends. Everything in eve depends, reactive pushes your hole plug overtime. The other one is immediate for a certain amount of resist. Personally I'd take the reactive if I plan on sticking around and can handle the incoming damage.
As a note: I made this video with a broken headset, I am sorry if the sound quality is a bit lower than normally, it was tough with one of the earbuds dangling off.
I hope you guys enjoy the video anyways! :D
Also if you do get kills with this armageddon feel free to link them below in the comments! Let's see what we can achieve together.
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Whilst you make some excellent points, your mistake was comparing it to a vargur.
I’m not sure what kids do now days, but in my day we used to dual/tripple xlasb vargur’s with drugs and head candy (implants) and geddons were an easy meal (because they are usually cocky).
Sure there were a many a geddon who got away…but a competent vargur pilot is going to destroy any geddon that sticks around for the fight.
In summation: Geddons are great…but don’t sell people on the idea that they have any chance solo against a vargur flown by someone who knows what they are doing…the only outcomes are the vargur wins OR the geddon dips.
Opinion based on over 15 years of playing eve (although I don’t play these days)
Yet another “well acktually this specific fit totally stops what your saying so Hah”
Ok but what if I use a vargur?
Tripple Ancil vargur? Yeah fair point but Tripple Ancil Vargurs are notoriously OP unless you volley them.
@@i-401_yt A Tripple Ancil vargur can be really hard, especially if she has a belly full of batteries and maybe has chars that bring her batteries
i have a navy fleet phoon that laffs at neuts... its a rock solid armour buffer tank that can do some serial damage..
what about NOS ?
A king that needs backup for a stabber ?
It was the only footage I had recorded at the time. I just started the channel recently and I usually don't record. I also didn't want backup for the stabber, people just came.
Oil. A King sends his forces. Nit fight himself.