Amazing. You’re spot on with the history of the 10” Tom. Remember that 40s 50s drummers were also experimenting. The Concert Tom Tom was very prolific with drummers like Lionel Hampton and even chick Webb. I think your conversation and explanations are really important to the world of music. Brilliant
Just a small correction. Fiberglass and acrylic are 2 different things. fiberglass is the same material that is used to build boats and car bodies such as the Corvette. Acrylic is what they use to make the Vista lite drums.
Ruben great video! You are right about the 10” tom, but Rick Marotta definitely had that sized kit at the same time Gadd did it! It was a NYC Drummer thing to do … they were trying to sell me on the 6.5x10 drum setup in 1979 at Pro Percussion Center in NYC. Other drummers playing the 10” Tom … Steve Jordan. One more thing a fiberglass Pearl kit today is not cheap any more! I’m trying to find a 5.5x6 fiberglass tom… for my Pearl concert Tom’s … super expensive now, but they were cheaper back 20 years ago!
Fascinating topic, Ruben. Regarding Rick Marotta however, the way I understand it is that his studio kit was a hybrid of Pearl and Ludwig. This was also prior to the Yamaha endorsements. He took 5 ½ X 8" and 6 ½ X 10" Pearl concert toms and had them drilled for the lugs that capture the resonant heads. Then he used a 9" X 13" Ludwig tom, his 6 ½" Supraphonic and a 14" X 22" Ludwig kick drum. This was the kit he used pretty consistently on many of his studio dates (Linda Ronstadt, Bryan Ferry, Jackson Browne, etc.). I actually saw him play this kit in San Francisco with his very short lived band Ronin and that sound was unmistakable. So props to Gadd, but I think Marotta may have had the ingenuity to do it first.
He might have invented the 10 inch double headed tom. In this video, the Yamaha 10 inch Tom has a slight more sustain they sound very close. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
In the 70's Steve and countless other drummers would use Frank Ippolito's Drum Shop in NYC. A lot of new ideas that drummers had were able to happen with their help.
I once tried a well-made mini drum kit (not sure if intended for children or as a cocktail lounge type set), I think it was 8" with a 12" or 13" floor tom (in square ('power') sizes, maybe even 10" depth on the small tom), or it could've been a 6", I don't remember, it's been nearly 30 years. Most likely 8". The bass drum was a converted 16". It was Pinstripes with clear Ambassadors on the bottom, pretty low tuning. IT SOUNDED MASSIVE. Absolutely massive, I could not believe my ears. For funk and fusion, you couldn't find a better sound.
I think that actually lot of drummers were doing this in the mid 70's- I had a drum teacher in my small town who put bottom head on his Ludwig 10' tom to match with the other toms on his kit before 1978. By the time I got to college in the 80"s, ALL the drummers seen to have them, and even smaller 8" toms after Dave Weckl appeared on the scene!
There are a lot of inaccuracies in your video. First of all, it was Rick Marotta who turned Gadd on to using smaller toms with looser tension. Also, there were many other drummers doing similar things with smaller toms. Martin Deller with FM (out of Toronto) for example, had 8" and 10" Gretsch toms with both batter and resonant heads in the late 70s.
With all your great investigation into Steve Gadd’s technique, playing and drum sounds, I think you more than deserve to have an interview with the man himself on your channel. I wonder how you could make that happen. Maybe contact John DeChistopher. Either way, great videos here!
yeah, tripped across this vid, wont be back. also common was not 12,13,16, 22 bass as stated. 20 was battling with 22 form the 60's to the 70's (ringo having a 20 was one major drummer of influence)
I had thought about making a recreation of Steve Gadd’s white kit, but not sure if I wanted to put Rogers Swivomatic mounts in the toms like he did (I like how you installed a Yamaha mount on your 10” tom). Also, Gadd also had Slingerland snare drum lugs on his 10” tom. I think the Pearl snare drum lugs on your 10” tom looks nicer.
Also, do you know what bass drum Steve Gadd was using with his white kit? Maybe a 20” or 22” Gretsch? I just saw Gadd a few weeks ago but only had time for a photo and autograph. I’d love to sit down and chat with him sometime…
Fiberglass is nothing like Vistalite (clear acrylic). It's a fabric impregnated with epoxy resin. That's what small-to-medium sized boats are made of, bodies of race cars, small airplanes and gliders. Fiberglass will sound more like wood, acrylic sounds glassy.
There's a demonstration somewhere, a guy has Earl Palmer's custom piccolo snare for sale, 13x4, I think. It's fiberglass, super sensitive, clear and articulate like a symphonic snare. Woody, not glassy or metallic at all.
Great subject and well-executed vid on the subject. As much as I love Gadd’s use of a 10 (and I truly do), 4 of my kits have 10’s and unfortunately, the sound I like from my snares always puts one of the 10” heads near the same pitch as one of the snare’s heads so sympathetic buzz is almost unavoidable. Not a huge deal live but not an option in the studio. Thanks for such a great vid.
I bought a set of these exact concert toms last year for about $150. 10,12,15,16 Seriously considering putting on bottom heads. Did you have to do anything to the bottom bearing edge? Also, do you know if Steve's supra was brass or aluminium. Personally, I think it sounds like aluminium. Thanks for a great video
I always thought a drum set ,much like any other Musical instrument, should in some way have the full musical scale. Regarding Drums at least 3 Toms for the full scale sound high-medium and low too fully and musically express yourself! Drummers Hal Blaine,John Guerin and Steve Gadd did this!!
@@RubenvanRoonDrumChannel no worries. Love your channel - the best (in my opinion) Gadd info out there. There’s a very early Yamaha poster where SG has an additional 8” tom.
You nailed it! Sticks to you! Well played!
Amazing. You’re spot on with the history of the 10” Tom. Remember that 40s 50s drummers were also experimenting. The Concert Tom Tom was very prolific with drummers like Lionel Hampton and even chick Webb. I think your conversation and explanations are really important to the world of music. Brilliant
Thank so much!
Just a small correction. Fiberglass and acrylic are 2 different things. fiberglass is the same material that is used to build boats and car bodies such as the Corvette. Acrylic is what they use to make the Vista lite drums.
Maybe you should play more
Very interesting - thanks
My brother plays a 10in Taye Pro Tour and that tom sounds nice and has a good low end
Ruben great video! You are right about the 10” tom, but Rick Marotta definitely had that sized kit at the same time Gadd did it! It was a NYC Drummer thing to do … they were trying to sell me on the 6.5x10 drum setup in 1979 at Pro Percussion Center in NYC. Other drummers playing the 10” Tom … Steve Jordan. One more thing a fiberglass Pearl kit today is not cheap any more! I’m trying to find a 5.5x6 fiberglass tom… for my Pearl concert Tom’s … super expensive now, but they were cheaper back 20 years ago!
Thanks Earl, I was right on time then;)
Fascinating topic, Ruben. Regarding Rick Marotta however, the way I understand it is that his studio kit was a hybrid of Pearl and Ludwig. This was also prior to the Yamaha endorsements. He took 5 ½ X 8" and 6 ½ X 10" Pearl concert toms and had them drilled for the lugs that capture the resonant heads. Then he used a 9" X 13" Ludwig tom, his 6 ½" Supraphonic and a 14" X 22" Ludwig kick drum. This was the kit he used pretty consistently on many of his studio dates (Linda Ronstadt, Bryan Ferry, Jackson Browne, etc.). I actually saw him play this kit in San Francisco with his very short lived band Ronin and that sound was unmistakable. So props to Gadd, but I think Marotta may have had the ingenuity to do it first.
Yes I thought so... thanks for the info!
He might have invented the 10 inch double headed tom. In this video, the Yamaha 10 inch Tom has a slight more sustain they sound very close. Great video. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you! And true
Copeland added one for their 1983 tour. Not sure if he used it before.
In the 70's Steve and countless other drummers would use Frank Ippolito's Drum Shop in NYC. A lot of new ideas that drummers had were able to happen with their help.
I once tried a well-made mini drum kit (not sure if intended for children or as a cocktail lounge type set), I think it was 8" with a 12" or 13" floor tom (in square ('power') sizes, maybe even 10" depth on the small tom), or it could've been a 6", I don't remember, it's been nearly 30 years. Most likely 8". The bass drum was a converted 16". It was Pinstripes with clear Ambassadors on the bottom, pretty low tuning. IT SOUNDED MASSIVE. Absolutely massive, I could not believe my ears. For funk and fusion, you couldn't find a better sound.
Wow great!
I think that actually lot of drummers were doing this in the mid 70's- I had a drum teacher in my small town who put bottom head on his Ludwig 10' tom to match with the other toms on his kit before 1978. By the time I got to college in the 80"s, ALL the drummers seen to have them, and even smaller 8" toms after Dave Weckl appeared on the scene!
nice! thanks for sharing
There are a lot of inaccuracies in your video. First of all, it was Rick Marotta who turned Gadd on to using smaller toms with looser tension. Also, there were many other drummers doing similar things with smaller toms. Martin Deller with FM (out of Toronto) for example, had 8" and 10" Gretsch toms with both batter and resonant heads in the late 70s.
Thanks! That's why the ? I think I mentioned Rick a couple of times.... greetz
With all your great investigation into Steve Gadd’s technique, playing and drum sounds, I think you more than deserve to have an interview with the man himself on your channel. I wonder how you could make that happen. Maybe contact John DeChistopher. Either way, great videos here!
Thanks man!
Look back to the trap sets of the 20s-30s....plenty of 10" Tom's there....sometimes smaller.
yeah, tripped across this vid, wont be back. also common was not 12,13,16, 22 bass as stated. 20 was battling with 22 form the 60's to the 70's (ringo having a 20 was one major drummer of influence)
I had thought about making a recreation of Steve Gadd’s white kit, but not sure if I wanted to put Rogers Swivomatic mounts in the toms like he did (I like how you installed a Yamaha mount on your 10” tom). Also, Gadd also had Slingerland snare drum lugs on his 10” tom. I think the Pearl snare drum lugs on your 10” tom looks nicer.
Also, do you know what bass drum Steve Gadd was using with his white kit? Maybe a 20” or 22” Gretsch? I just saw Gadd a few weeks ago but only had time for a photo and autograph. I’d love to sit down and chat with him sometime…
Oh wow I am looking forward for the result! Keep me posted!
20 white Nitron?
Fiberglass is nothing like Vistalite (clear acrylic). It's a fabric impregnated with epoxy resin. That's what small-to-medium sized boats are made of, bodies of race cars, small airplanes and gliders. Fiberglass will sound more like wood, acrylic sounds glassy.
There's a demonstration somewhere, a guy has Earl Palmer's custom piccolo snare for sale, 13x4, I think. It's fiberglass, super sensitive, clear and articulate like a symphonic snare. Woody, not glassy or metallic at all.
Thanks! Didnt knew that!
Great subject and well-executed vid on the subject.
As much as I love Gadd’s use of a 10 (and I truly do), 4 of my kits have 10’s and unfortunately, the sound I like from my snares always puts one of the 10” heads near the same pitch as one of the snare’s heads so sympathetic buzz is almost unavoidable. Not a huge deal live but not an option in the studio.
Thanks for such a great vid.
Yeah that is a problem... the fiberglass has less buzz because of the depth I think;)
Sounds same to me 😊
I bought a set of these exact concert toms last year for about $150. 10,12,15,16
Seriously considering putting on bottom heads. Did you have to do anything to the bottom bearing edge?
Also, do you know if Steve's supra was brass or aluminium. Personally, I think it sounds like aluminium.
Thanks for a great video
@@sunflowerguy5314 you can put them right on… aluminium… thanks!!
I always thought a drum set ,much like any other Musical instrument, should in some way have the full musical scale. Regarding Drums at least 3 Toms for the full scale sound high-medium and low too fully and musically express yourself! Drummers Hal Blaine,John Guerin and Steve Gadd did this!!
The pinstripe was introduced in 1974 I believe.
Sorry bout that;)
@@RubenvanRoonDrumChannel no worries. Love your channel - the best (in my opinion) Gadd info out there. There’s a very early Yamaha poster where SG has an additional 8” tom.
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たまに8インチのタムも使ってなかったかな。