I keep thinking about Carl S. Saying, “The absence of evidence, is evidence of absence.” It means several things that all have nuanced differences from various perspectives. I love these conversations, and I too love Hitchens for his cognitive clarity.
You misunderstood; he said “pier reviewed,” meaning he read the articles while on the Santa Monica Pier. Nothing complements hard science like corn dogs and cotton candy.
Never heard about the hallucinogens. I like the notion that god was thought up by a bunch of shepherds dropping acid and tripping balls. Maybe we can get enough money together to turn it into a concept
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I think that a lot of times we just miss the point. It's not a question of if there's a god or not, if there's evidence or not. It's a question of: if there's a god, he's a bad god and an incompetent one. That's more important than getting proof of his existence, as this incompetence can be proven.
Mr.Deity,Brian, of course I missed the early, so my double shot! Ah well, still got to see this. This one is truly awesome. I'm sick of their dumb, tired arguments. The only people they really convinced are believers. But, it's lucrative! For them. 👍🥰💖✌
Might be interesting to pit Cam's "candidate evidence" against similar ones for Odin or Zeus. How could "c.e." for other deities be any less effective than his own?
"Peer reviewed journals" hmmm-- "peers" for folks like Cameron are just like-minded people, not interested in actual empirical evidence, only interested in anecdotes from believers. 🤷♀️
I have been involved in the peer review process twelve times and it is like you are invited to a gun fight and you are holding a handful of soft over ripe fruit and you are facing a main battle tank. It is not an easy process to get a paper published in a quality peer reviewed journal.
@@vestafreyja that's why theists don't publish their papers about (their own) religion - or about something which questions it - in quality peer reviewed journals.
The evidence outright debunks the existence of God in any form imagined by humans. With the exception of the deistic god, which is functionally no different than a non-existent god. That's why belief in God's existence requires faith. Which is as Mark Twain puts it, believing what you know ain't so.
Cameron don't only have a notion, he also have presupposition; "If I Imagine that god exists, then I feel like god exists, thus god exists". I don't think he can be convinced about reality because is income depends on that he imagine a god exists.
I love linguistic things the the Ghoti/Fish bit. The comedian Gallagher did a bit 35(?) years ago where he took a word and showed how that same word with another letter in front sounded completely different, and then how the same letter combinations sounded different in different words. It was brilliant. I should try to find it here on UA-cam.
This is the funniest and most profound comment I've ever made on this site...but you have to take my claim on faith...and you can quote me. Loving M.D. as always.
Apologists love to complain that atheists set an impossible standard to accept the existence of god. Not so. A very simple experiment would convince me. It goes like this: Ask god in faith what number I'm thinking of. If you get it right on the first try, I'll believe. Now what I'm asking god does many times in the bible to convince unbelievers, so it's a reasonable request.
Impossible standards of proof? How about anything, anything at all one piece of evidence, prove one thing it don't matter what that is. Just one. But no I to am sick of that disingenuous track of theirs.
Or as I've said many times, how about being able to do what the Bible says Jesus' followers would/should be able to do with the tiniest bit of faith - heal the sick, raise the dead, move a mountain or tree, etc... How is that anything but reasonable?
Well presented arguments, with enough ridicule to which we should be considering the evidence given by the Christian Apologetics. As Brian points out in all the time that the concept of this particular deity has been around the best evidence they have come up with is "If this deity exists, then I know it exists, as the evidence is plain to see all around me". The only other way the evidence presented is "Well if there isn't a god, then how are we here".
Well obviously, you have to go with the greatest mass murderer in history. But yes, after that, Hans is at the top of every list, isn't he? P.S.: I thought of you when I wrote Hans into the piece, and then again when I put him in the video. Be well my ET sista!
I've been arguing with YEC's on other channels... like on Gut Sick Gibbon. When I ask how the universe can be 6000 years old if we can see the Andromeda galaxy 2.5 million light years away, I get a 'space stretches' argument. If you google it... it doesn't provide any actual answer to my question... but he kept repeating it as if it were a 'gotcha.' Notstaysdown was his name. Others took his arguments apart effortlessly, but when I mentioned that to him, he would insist that he won every argument. Yeesh.😂
Off topic question, but why are so many christians the ones who talk about how great God is but are the ones to "sin" the most. Heavy drinking, smoking, pre-marital sex, eating sea food etc. Is it just ignorance of the Bibles stances on those things or is it just a "but that's the old testament" thinking?
There’s nothing less impressive than arguments for the existence of god - they’re a dime a dozen, but worth even less. If they actually had evidence, no arguments would be necessary, so expect the arguments to continue ad nauseam.
MisterDiety - all our thoughts are yours anyway. As an all-nowing, all-owerful and mniscient being, you must be the source of all thoughts. We mortals just provide the first, measly, unneeded letter...........just like we provide all the justification for your alter-ego's existence. I, for one, am glad that you are real though.
Religious people have all the answers, it all in their book. They dont need to think about anything. They "know" where they came from and they "know" where they are going. Thats makes for a dull mind. No questions asked, no wonder, no curiosity. They say that without religion we would be a 1000 years head of time by now.
Hey Christian I can prove Gravity exists without showing gravity itself - Here is a bucket full of of paint on top of this loose shelf, stand under it while I rigorously shake that shelf - And if it stays in mid-air - there is no gravity, if it plops all over you there's gravity! Simple let's try it. Now your turn, You say god exists - I say god doesn't exist, order god to appear to prove me wrong. Let's see which happens first - God appears, or you have paint all over you.
Thank you for your work. May I say, you are looking Damn fit. I say that while eating mint chip frozen custard. I am currently suffering from the cannabis poisoning.
Without the ability to demonstrate the existence of post-mortem destinations, gods and demons, no religion that makes claims to their existence can be discerned from nonsense. No further argumentation is really necessary.
If God knows who is going to heaven and hell before they are born, there is no purpose for Earth. Just create the "good" people already in heaven. And, don't create the people who will supposedly "deserve" to go to hell at all. The suffering on Earth is just superfluous for both groups!
Maybe we should just discontinue arguing with, or debating apologists, until such time as they can present some real evidence. I am tired of all the Hams, Hovinds, Comforts, etc.
I really don't understand why theists think that flawed, fallacious arguments are enough to "prove" gawd. Even if they weren't such terrible arguments it's still not enough, tangible, verifiable evidence is what we need, how hard is it to understand that?! 😱 🤯 🤣
The problem seems to be that they think that their arguments are neither flawed nor fallacious. Quite the opposite: they are convinced that OUR arguments are flawed and fallacious. They can’t understand, or accept, that their whole argument is based on presupposition.
@@lidbass Also, they don't seem to fully grasp the fallacies they claim we're using, I'm yet to see a single theist use a fallacy gotcha that is actually true to the fallacy they're making the claim about, the most common one - you called me a name, that's an Ad Hom attack, no buddy, it really isn't 🙄 🤭
How "wise" were the wise men in order to go to the ruthless King Herod and tell him his replacement has been born?!? So that King Herod would supposedly massacre a bunch of babies ( there is no evidence he did in real life. But this is a story). Why didn't an angel warn the men not to go to King Herod?!?
I shit you not, theres an add for some "faith healer" literally claiming to be able to heal (at least he strongly implies this) the "...deaf, blind, crippled, missing a limb..." Wow.
@@thomasdowe5274 I do trust that in your devotion to science denial that if you should fall ill you will refuse to take up a bed in a medical facility. Not for broken bones, cancer, or any other thing that the science you deny has a treatment for. Such delusion and paranoia can be fatal, and I applaud your efforts to take a stand against science. Also, please stop using your computer, mobile devices, car, synthetic materials, and running water. These are all products of science and if you deny the validity of science you should be devoted to using your own solutions that do not rely on the existing body of scientific knowledge.
@@thomasdowe5274 I didn't think it was possible for one person, in one post, to get so many things wrong. Well done. Light doesn't 'refract' around stars, the high gravity field of very massive objects, black holes for example, bends spacetime. If the cause was refraction the spectrum of the background star, the one being 'refracted', would change showing the absorption of whatever material was doing the refraction, and this doesn't happen. So no, not refraction, just gravity. I don't worship any of this stuff. I simply make an effort to understand it. Not sure what you are talking about with the neutron story, but given how badly you understand the rest of the topic I am going to assume you have that wrong as well without citations of some kind. I don't know what you mean by this 'model' you mention, sounds like you are trying to cast shade on newton's work on gravity, relativity and special relativity though. And so far these have been tested over, and over and over and proven to be very reliable and accurate. It's important to realize as well that those doing the testing would probably be more famous and more rewarded for finding flaws in them than in validating them. You don't bend space with time. Time is affected by gravity. We just call it 'bending'
@@InigoMontoya- but what about those religion which doesn't allow you to be part of other religion or worship other gods? What about those afterlives where you kiss god's ass forever and ever? What about those afterlives whose rules contradict rules of some other afterlives, like "you can only enter in paradice if you're good person who is nice to others, including not killing or hurting" versus "you can only enter paradice if you die like warrior, in battle, while fighting"? 😋
Wouldn't Jesus still be in hell paying for all the sins of the Christians he supposedly saved from his father's wrath? They always depict Jesus as being in heaven with God. If he is in heaven, what was the sacrifice/atonement thing about? According to my understanding of the Bible, his body was tortured for 6 hours before he died on the cross and was buried by Joseph of Arimathea. So, Christians are in a tizzy about Jesus being tortured for 6 hours in punishment for EVERY Christian's sins. Then, within 3 days, his body disappears from the tomb and he is seen walking around again. And, depending on what gospel you read, tells you how fast he ascended to heaven to be with his Dad. Yet, the people who weren't given enough evidence to believe in Jesus are EACH supposedly in hell for an ETERNITY paying for the same type of sins the Christians were doing on Earth. How is that fair?
I didn't know hallucinogens were available in ancient Israel. Do you have more information about this? I'm curious about which plants or animals were involved, and whether there is evidence of intentional use during religious ceremonies.
It should be so easy for an omnipotent being to have more than "candidate evidence" for his bronze-age adventures... That is why the whole crucifixion and resurrection plot, makes no strategic sense at all, both from Roman perspective and from a God that wants to show-off his power in conquering (at least his own) death. From the Roman side, if they'd have feared that the disciples (not a band of viking mercenaries) could steal the body, then do not take it down, do not give the body to a conspirator, do not let conspirators to prepare the body for burial, do not let them hide the body in a hole where you cannot see it! Rather, put some spikes around and let it rot on the cross for a month! From the "divine revelation" perspective, you do not want the most significant magical event in history, to be witnessed by cold stones! You too would want witnesses, you could even have used the Emperor (before the edict of Thessalonica), inviting him to the front row, to be the first convert after you raise! Instead, it is all concealed and mysterious, just like every other concocted supernatural claim.
Actually, I think there are. I swear I've heard some flat earthers say that the flat Earth is accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 and that gravity is just an illusion. Of course, they did not do the math and realize that acceleration at 9.8 m/s^2 from rest would put you beyond light speed after about one year.
@@misterdeity Thank you for alerting me to that outburst of jibberishy meanderings from Dowd. What an alt-elegant troll! Aside from that, thank you for continuing to make these vids. They are consistently awesome. You are awesome. Been a fan since 2007, and whenever I'm notified you uploaded another one, I get all giddy because I know you will deliver the goods. I still crack up over "Yeah, but wait for Lou."
@@thomasdowe5274, well, you "think" somethung and that's important. Rupert Sheldrake might agree with you, as he is always on about how light and gravity are not truly "constant," and that modern science doesn't really know what's really going on, and are just inventing certainties to keep us all from going insane, etc. Then again, there is no consensus on how many dimensions there "truly" are, whether light is a wave or a particle, or why people like Ted Cruz.
@@thomasdowe5274 There is an old TEDx vid of Sheldrake you may like, and a good primer for his whole schtick. Atheism is not a belief system, though lately it does seem like there are a slew of various things one must also reject in order to be part of the "New Atheist" club. This has, unfortunately, boxed the movement in. Cheers!
I commented on a previous video that the existence of a chicken is evidence for the existence of a chicken. I add now that furthermore the existence of each individual human is the main evidence for the existence of that individual human.
The existence of chickens is also evidence the existence of roads for them to cross. Oh ... wait. No! The existence of *ROADS* is evidence for the existence of chickens! I nearly messed that up! Whew!
I might think that all the people (especially televangelists) who say God talks to them would be a sign that he exists, except that it seems everything he tells them is going to happen, doesn't.
I'm listening on a pretty good sound system and not hearing that at all. If anything, it's a bit bassy. But with my high, whiny voice, I need all the bass I can get. Anyone else hearing nothing but mids?
@@misterdeity Actually, everything below 500 Hz or thereabouts seems to have just disappeared from your voice, so it's far from "bassy." Together with some weird compression it makes your voice sound oddly nasally and even scratchy at times. It can't be because of your high voice, since I don't usually hear this on other high-voiced UA-camrs. Do your have a high-pass filter engaged on your microphone or pre-amp? If you're using a compressor, you might try a lower ratio or threshold.
@@misterdeity It's very hard for me to diagnose it on my end. Let me just say that your voice tended to sound just fine, so I wonder if it's something you changed in your equipment, or if you use different software, changed your settings. So unless you find a way to hear the issue for yourself (or let someone else help you) I think I'll just have to get used to the new status quo.
@@misterdeity Yeah correct. They do not actually know the Scripture but rather their traditions. Same problem with many groups the world over. The "Grandpa Said" fallacy. You in turn respond to their traditions. It's a lose lose
Flat earth creator gods, virgin birth saviors, flying angels, flying demons, flying jinn's, flying genies, flying cherubs with flaming swords, flying fire breathing dragons, flying horse chariots, flying pegasus's, flying horses, flying goats, flying elephants, flying buraq's, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking ants, sticks that could part seas, giant humans, half men, half animals (centaurs), mammals getting out of graves AKA walking dead DO NOT EXIST and never did. The sun and moon are not being pulled around the hindu flat earth by a flying seven horse chariot..SMH All fables, myths and fairy tales from dead middle east men's imaginations 2 thousand to 3 thousand years ago, no different than today's movies. Cheers
I see belief in God as one of many available tools that we humans can use to incorporate ideas from the past with living in the present. Of course the traditional God of religion is silly and a product of people's desire to explain the world around them and to hold on to traditions from the past. But, as the "God of the gaps" becomes less and less, I think a God of imagination and wishful thinking may serve (some of us) as a useful metaphor for how we can cope with our experiences in the light of tradional thinking. Whether I choose to use metaphors from Zeus or Odin, I find this sort of fantasy perfectly benign and useful. I have plenty of fantasy ideas and as long as I know I am merely playing with ideas, I am not concerned that some people aren't just playing - they are in earnest - for them God exists and they are sinners. I know that the idea of God and sin are just so much BS but I like the idea that I can still play the religion game with phrases such as "thank God" or "God willing" etc. So where's the harm? Most of us enjoy Santa Claus and the Easter bunny - why not add one more fantasy - God?
Because believing in a genocial, misogynist, homophobic, etc... monster who promises to use violence forever and ever on those who simply don't believe the right thing is dangerous! Especial when such a Being is said to be the model of perfection and moral behavior. Believers want to be like Him, and often succeed!
@@misterdeity I hear what you are saying Brian. But, consider, we (in the West) live in multi cultural countries. Theists are sometimes nuts in their defense of their Gods. Sometimes, we may need to meet them a bit closer to the middle to avoid provoking their displeasure. Maybe if we can show them that we are not bothered by their beliefs, they might consider not forcing their beliefs on others. I don't care if people want to hold stupid ideas, but, like you, I am concerned that they will act on their fantasy beliefs to the detriment of the rest of us. Just trying to find some way to keep the peace. 🙂 Maybe that's just wishful thinking.
@@carlabest1257 The problem is both parties have to want peace. That's not in Tribal War god of Abraham playbook. Every knee must bow and every tongue confess. It's about monotheism in general. It's my way or the highway (straight to Hell). And as long as people honor that book and the monstrous central figure, peace is not an option. #realitycheck
The mentally weak and crippled, in their existential angst - led by fear of their own mortality, imagine the gods who comfort the weak with the opium of the masses and their own self-importance. (BriBri 4:15) See, I can imagine less than noble motives too. It’s easy! What’s not so easy is confronting the evidence, the arguments, and the facts - which you thought yourself clever in avoiding. But I see what you did there!
@@leslieblanco3536 _["I'm happy scripture convicted you somewhat."]_ Here's a hint: He wasn't. At all. _["You are smart in your own mind."]_ It's hard to be smart outside of your mind. You don't do any thinking over there.
_Candidate evidence_ sounds like a long, lost cousin of _alternative facts._
More like twin sibling...
when part one finally comes out it will be so much better than the prequel part three.
Oh. Thanks. I thought I was confused until I found out that I was REALLY confused.....
I keep thinking about Carl S. Saying, “The absence of evidence, is evidence of absence.” It means several things that all have nuanced differences from various perspectives.
I love these conversations, and I too love Hitchens for his cognitive clarity.
The difference between Cam, Frankie, Willie, Banana Man, Todd, etc is the ratio of smarm to condescension to willful ignorance
That's so well said!!!
I can't believe you brought up the argument clinic. Hilarious! Now I need a Monty Python fix.
That's not an argument, it's just contradiction.
No you don't
You misunderstood; he said “pier reviewed,” meaning he read the articles while on the Santa Monica Pier. Nothing complements hard science like corn dogs and cotton candy.
OMG!!! That's sofa king funny. You made me LOL! Thanks so much!
Ah yes…watching the tide roll way, waist’n’ time. …
Never heard about the hallucinogens. I like the notion that god was thought up by a bunch of shepherds dropping acid and tripping balls. Maybe we can get enough money together to turn it into a concept
There was a book, ~The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross~ by John Allegro circa 1970. . .
The only argument I'm interested in is the *Argument From EVIDENCE.*
Otherwise, don't waste my time.
Does candidate evidence count? 😆
Mr. D, you are such a part-Y animal. Looking forward to part 2 of your multi-part addendum to your one-part series with four parts.
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When you boil all the fecking arguments about gods down, you end up with sky fairies and magic...
I made a video about that last month.
All these arguments for the existence of a god leave me confused. Which god?
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I think that a lot of times we just miss the point. It's not a question of if there's a god or not, if there's evidence or not. It's a question of: if there's a god, he's a bad god and an incompetent one. That's more important than getting proof of his existence, as this incompetence can be proven.
Mr.Deity,Brian, of course I missed the early, so my double shot! Ah well, still got to see this. This one is truly awesome. I'm sick of their dumb, tired arguments. The only people they really convinced are believers. But, it's lucrative! For them. 👍🥰💖✌
Hi Laura. I knew you'd be here.
@@bdf2718 HI Sweet! It was a quicky cuz real life is intruding! 😘🥰✌
@@laurajarrell6187 Real life is SO RUDE!!!
Candidate Evidence. The same value as describing a candidate God.
Might be interesting to pit Cam's "candidate evidence" against similar ones for Odin or Zeus. How could "c.e." for other deities be any less effective than his own?
Special Pleading, that's how.
I can hardly wait for part, erm, um, whatever of this errrr part addendum. I need an aspirin.
LOL!!!
I will remain in my position of neutrality until _candidate evidence_ graduates to actual evidence.
"Peer reviewed journals" hmmm-- "peers" for folks like Cameron are just like-minded people, not interested in actual empirical evidence, only interested in anecdotes from believers. 🤷♀️
As you'll see in Addendum II. 😘
I have been involved in the peer review process twelve times and it is like you are invited to a gun fight and you are holding a handful of soft over ripe fruit and you are facing a main battle tank. It is not an easy process to get a paper published in a quality peer reviewed journal.
@@vestafreyja And science as a mechanism for the further understanding of reality is all the better for that!
@@vestafreyja that's why theists don't publish their papers about (their own) religion - or about something which questions it - in quality peer reviewed journals.
@@vestafreyja absolutely true .. keyword "quality".
The evidence outright debunks the existence of God in any form imagined by humans. With the exception of the deistic god, which is functionally no different than a non-existent god. That's why belief in God's existence requires faith. Which is as Mark Twain puts it, believing what you know ain't so.
Well said. And bonus points for quoting Twain. I do the same in the second addendum. Yes, there's one more. Sorry.
Cameron don't only have a notion, he also have presupposition; "If I Imagine that god exists, then I feel like god exists, thus god exists". I don't think he can be convinced about reality because is income depends on that he imagine a god exists.
Why don't christians use the same repeatable methodology when dismissing other gods existence on their god?
Special Pleading - no christian should be without it!
@@lil-al That can't live without it!!!
Great! Hans Gruber had fallen off the Nakatomi Plaza. Christmas can now begin!
Yeah, I should have made this in December.
Great stuff MisterDeity. Keep it up. Huge fan from the UK.
Brian pronounced Ghoti correctly, Shaw would be so proud!
I love linguistic things the the Ghoti/Fish bit. The comedian Gallagher did a bit 35(?) years ago where he took a word and showed how that same word with another letter in front sounded completely different, and then how the same letter combinations sounded different in different words. It was brilliant. I should try to find it here on UA-cam.
This is the funniest and most profound comment I've ever made on this site...but you have to take my claim on faith...and you can quote me. Loving M.D. as always.
I believe
Apologists love to complain that atheists set an impossible standard to accept the existence of god. Not so. A very simple experiment would convince me. It goes like this: Ask god in faith what number I'm thinking of. If you get it right on the first try, I'll believe.
Now what I'm asking god does many times in the bible to convince unbelievers, so it's a reasonable request.
Impossible standards of proof? How about anything, anything at all one piece of evidence, prove one thing it don't matter what that is. Just one. But no I to am sick of that disingenuous track of theirs.
Or as I've said many times, how about being able to do what the Bible says Jesus' followers would/should be able to do with the tiniest bit of faith - heal the sick, raise the dead, move a mountain or tree, etc... How is that anything but reasonable?
Make sure you are thinking of an irrational number
@@thomasdowe5274 Yet they are still more materially real than a god.
Next series should be 'religion makes people evil and dishonest'
Quote mining for Jesus.
I think I've been doing those for years now.
Well presented arguments, with enough ridicule to which we should be considering the evidence given by the Christian Apologetics. As Brian points out in all the time that the concept of this particular deity has been around the best evidence they have come up with is "If this deity exists, then I know it exists, as the evidence is plain to see all around me". The only other way the evidence presented is "Well if there isn't a god, then how are we here".
You just gave Cameron a candidate kicking in the candidate bollocks.
Shout out to the clinic on the English language: ghoti is pronounced, correctly, as "fish"
How can "Religion Makes People Stupid" EVER be kept to only one part? Unless that one part is 40 days and 40 nights long.....
Hahahahahaha!!! I literally L'dOL!
Or he could just wander around the point for the next 40 years
@@Styphon That's what Cam does.....
I looked up that journal paper that you referenced @2:19 and it’s a very interesting read. Will certainly explain the hell of a lot.
Thank you for the callout!
Look at you! Getting mentioned!
And how ‘bout that pronunciation?!!! I love stuff like that! Our language seems so whacky!!!
Oh! And it was a great point!!!
Add: End 'em.
OMG Hans Gruber! Next to God, he’s my favourite villain!
Well obviously, you have to go with the greatest mass murderer in history. But yes, after that, Hans is at the top of every list, isn't he? P.S.: I thought of you when I wrote Hans into the piece, and then again when I put him in the video. Be well my ET sista!
@@misterdeity I’m glad you thought of me because I felt like you had thought of me when I watched it. It’s the quantum entanglement.
I've been arguing with YEC's on other channels... like on Gut Sick Gibbon.
When I ask how the universe can be 6000 years old if we can see the Andromeda galaxy 2.5 million light years away, I get a 'space stretches' argument. If you google it... it doesn't provide any actual answer to my question... but he kept repeating it as if it were a 'gotcha.' Notstaysdown was his name. Others took his arguments apart effortlessly, but when I mentioned that to him, he would insist that he won every argument.
Yeesh.😂
You have too much time on your hands.
Off topic question, but why are so many christians the ones who talk about how great God is but are the ones to "sin" the most. Heavy drinking, smoking, pre-marital sex, eating sea food etc.
Is it just ignorance of the Bibles stances on those things or is it just a "but that's the old testament" thinking?
There’s nothing less impressive than arguments for the existence of god - they’re a dime a dozen, but worth even less. If they actually had evidence, no arguments would be necessary, so expect the arguments to continue ad nauseam.
MisterDiety - all our thoughts are yours anyway.
As an all-nowing, all-owerful and mniscient being, you must be the source of all thoughts. We mortals just provide the first, measly, unneeded letter...........just like we provide all the justification for your alter-ego's existence. I, for one, am glad that you are real though.
Thanks! Remember though, Mr. Deity keeps his all-knowingness turned off.
Religious people have all the answers, it all in their book. They dont need to think about anything. They "know" where they came from and they "know" where they are going. Thats makes for a dull mind. No questions asked, no wonder, no curiosity. They say that without religion we would be a 1000 years head of time by now.
Hey Christian I can prove Gravity exists without showing gravity itself - Here is a bucket full of of paint on top of this loose shelf, stand under it while I rigorously shake that shelf - And if it stays in mid-air - there is no gravity, if it plops all over you there's gravity! Simple let's try it.
Now your turn, You say god exists - I say god doesn't exist, order god to appear to prove me wrong.
Let's see which happens first - God appears, or you have paint all over you.
Thank you for your work. May I say, you are looking Damn fit. I say that while eating mint chip frozen custard. I am currently suffering from the cannabis poisoning.
I happily suffer from it every night!
Get Cam Bertuzzi on the next presidential campaign and you'll win ... he's got that candidate evidence!
Without the ability to demonstrate the existence of post-mortem destinations, gods and demons, no religion that makes claims to their existence can be discerned from nonsense. No further argumentation is really necessary.
If God knows who is going to heaven and hell before they are born, there is no purpose for Earth. Just create the "good" people already in heaven. And, don't create the people who will supposedly "deserve" to go to hell at all. The suffering on Earth is just superfluous for both groups!
Maybe God wants to share His love. Even if He knows, you don't.
@@Nucc3 then by that logic god likes wasting his time then right? he's done it quite a lot in the bible already.
Maybe we should just discontinue arguing with, or debating apologists, until such time as they can present some real evidence. I am tired of all the Hams, Hovinds, Comforts, etc.
That would be nice. Except... they cannot go unchallenged! Someone has to push back on their nonsense.
I really don't understand why theists think that flawed, fallacious arguments are enough to "prove" gawd.
Even if they weren't such terrible arguments it's still not enough, tangible, verifiable evidence is what we need, how hard is it to understand that?! 😱 🤯 🤣
That is apparently impossible to understand once you're wearing a crucifix.
@@misterdeity Crucifixes may not repel vampires or werewolves but they _do_ repel logic.
The problem seems to be that they think that their arguments are neither flawed nor fallacious. Quite the opposite: they are convinced that OUR arguments are flawed and fallacious. They can’t understand, or accept, that their whole argument is based on presupposition.
@@misterdeity 🤭
@@lidbass Also, they don't seem to fully grasp the fallacies they claim we're using, I'm yet to see a single theist use a fallacy gotcha that is actually true to the fallacy they're making the claim about, the most common one - you called me a name, that's an Ad Hom attack, no buddy, it really isn't 🙄 🤭
They hit the holy trinity!🤪
How "wise" were the wise men in order to go to the ruthless King Herod and tell him his replacement has been born?!? So that King Herod would supposedly massacre a bunch of babies ( there is no evidence he did in real life. But this is a story). Why didn't an angel warn the men not to go to King Herod?!?
Your thinking is very fair but this is how it is Elaine, read Isaiah 55: 8-11 and think coherently
@@Nucc3 it is impossible to make the Bible a coherent document.
I shit you not, theres an add for some "faith healer" literally claiming to be able to heal (at least he strongly implies this) the "...deaf, blind, crippled, missing a limb..."
Wow.
I've seen that add. People are so gullible!
well, eqsy enough to test. hospitals are full of people in serious need.
@@thomasdowe5274 I do trust that in your devotion to science denial that if you should fall ill you will refuse to take up a bed in a medical facility. Not for broken bones, cancer, or any other thing that the science you deny has a treatment for. Such delusion and paranoia can be fatal, and I applaud your efforts to take a stand against science. Also, please stop using your computer, mobile devices, car, synthetic materials, and running water. These are all products of science and if you deny the validity of science you should be devoted to using your own solutions that do not rely on the existing body of scientific knowledge.
@@thomasdowe5274 I didn't think it was possible for one person, in one post, to get so many things wrong. Well done.
Light doesn't 'refract' around stars, the high gravity field of very massive objects, black holes for example, bends spacetime. If the cause was refraction the spectrum of the background star, the one being 'refracted', would change showing the absorption of whatever material was doing the refraction, and this doesn't happen. So no, not refraction, just gravity.
I don't worship any of this stuff. I simply make an effort to understand it.
Not sure what you are talking about with the neutron story, but given how badly you understand the rest of the topic I am going to assume you have that wrong as well without citations of some kind.
I don't know what you mean by this 'model' you mention, sounds like you are trying to cast shade on newton's work on gravity, relativity and special relativity though. And so far these have been tested over, and over and over and proven to be very reliable and accurate. It's important to realize as well that those doing the testing would probably be more famous and more rewarded for finding flaws in them than in validating them.
You don't bend space with time. Time is affected by gravity. We just call it 'bending'
I'm going to go with not real considering humans have worship many many deities over the millennials.
To hedge my bets, and not miss out on any cool afterlife parties, I am going to say they ALL exist.
@@InigoMontoya- but what about those religion which doesn't allow you to be part of other religion or worship other gods? What about those afterlives where you kiss god's ass forever and ever? What about those afterlives whose rules contradict rules of some other afterlives, like "you can only enter in paradice if you're good person who is nice to others, including not killing or hurting" versus "you can only enter paradice if you die like warrior, in battle, while fighting"? 😋
@@valivali8104 - easy! I pretend to have dissociative identity disorder, then each of my personalities follows a different god.
@@InigoMontoya- lets hope that each of your personalities don't want to go in different paradice at same time *rriiiiippssss*
As ever we’ll put Mr D
Great job. Thanks!
Wouldn't Jesus still be in hell paying for all the sins of the Christians he supposedly saved from his father's wrath? They always depict Jesus as being in heaven with God. If he is in heaven, what was the sacrifice/atonement thing about? According to my understanding of the Bible, his body was tortured for 6 hours before he died on the cross and was buried by Joseph of Arimathea. So, Christians are in a tizzy about Jesus being tortured for 6 hours in punishment for EVERY Christian's sins. Then, within 3 days, his body disappears from the tomb and he is seen walking around again. And, depending on what gospel you read, tells you how fast he ascended to heaven to be with his Dad.
Yet, the people who weren't given enough evidence to believe in Jesus are EACH supposedly in hell for an ETERNITY paying for the same type of sins the Christians were doing on Earth. How is that fair?
STOP SPEAKING SO LOGICALLY FUUUUUUCKKK! but seriously I love all your comments, well reasoned.
I know, right?
It wasn't a sacrifice, it was the *deal of the millenium!*
I didn't know hallucinogens were available in ancient Israel. Do you have more information about this? I'm curious about which plants or animals were involved, and whether there is evidence of intentional use during religious ceremonies.
There is "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" by John Allegro.
@@nedludd7622 I had never heard of that book. Just looked it up and it certainly sounds interesting. Very controversial in its day.
Check out the article shown in the video - from the journal of psychedelic studies. Use the google machine, Art (AKA: "The Force")!
@@misterdeity Google Machine? Is that available via the internet tubes or do I have to down loan it?
@@artmoss6889 LOL! Thanks for the laugh!
Love the use of hons Gruber
Oh, is that how you spell it? 😉
@@misterdeity Hans down
@@misterdeity He's related to Hons Solo.
@@DonDueed LOL!!!!!
Top marks for using disinterested correctly.
Cameron's pathetic argument didn't include even just a verbal reference to Die Hard. Weak.
It should be so easy for an omnipotent being to have more than "candidate evidence" for his bronze-age adventures...
That is why the whole crucifixion and resurrection plot, makes no strategic sense at all, both from Roman perspective and from a God that wants to show-off his power in conquering (at least his own) death.
From the Roman side, if they'd have feared that the disciples (not a band of viking mercenaries) could steal the body, then do not take it down, do not give the body to a conspirator, do not let conspirators to prepare the body for burial, do not let them hide the body in a hole where you cannot see it!
Rather, put some spikes around and let it rot on the cross for a month!
From the "divine revelation" perspective, you do not want the most significant magical event in history, to be witnessed by cold stones! You too would want witnesses, you could even have used the Emperor (before the edict of Thessalonica), inviting him to the front row, to be the first convert after you raise!
Instead, it is all concealed and mysterious, just like every other concocted supernatural claim.
Stupidity is the 1st sign of intelligence
realizing it is the 2nd sign of intelligence...
Feel free to use and spread, it's... free
Are there actually people who deny gravity? Agravitists? Why does the gravity stuff need to constantly be deployed in atheist debates?
See Thomas Dowe a couple comments above you - at least that's the way it's showing up for me.
Actually, I think there are. I swear I've heard some flat earthers say that the flat Earth is accelerating at 9.8 m/s^2 and that gravity is just an illusion. Of course, they did not do the math and realize that acceleration at 9.8 m/s^2 from rest would put you beyond light speed after about one year.
@@misterdeity Thank you for alerting me to that outburst of jibberishy meanderings from Dowd. What an alt-elegant troll! Aside from that, thank you for continuing to make these vids. They are consistently awesome. You are awesome. Been a fan since 2007, and whenever I'm notified you uploaded another one, I get all giddy because I know you will deliver the goods. I still crack up over "Yeah, but wait for Lou."
@@thomasdowe5274, well, you "think" somethung and that's important. Rupert Sheldrake might agree with you, as he is always on about how light and gravity are not truly "constant," and that modern science doesn't really know what's really going on, and are just inventing certainties to keep us all from going insane, etc. Then again, there is no consensus on how many dimensions there "truly" are, whether light is a wave or a particle, or why people like Ted Cruz.
@@thomasdowe5274 There is an old TEDx vid of Sheldrake you may like, and a good primer for his whole schtick. Atheism is not a belief system, though lately it does seem like there are a slew of various things one must also reject in order to be part of the "New Atheist" club. This has, unfortunately, boxed the movement in. Cheers!
BTW Cameron, Christianity is false.
Reminds me of when my kids argue. "Ya" "no" "yes" "no" etc. To infinity
I commented on a previous video that the existence of a chicken is evidence for the existence of a chicken.
I add now that furthermore the existence of each individual human is the main evidence for the existence of that individual human.
The existence of chickens is also evidence the existence of roads for them to cross. Oh ... wait. No! The existence of *ROADS* is evidence for the existence of chickens!
I nearly messed that up! Whew!
So... God is a chicken?
@@avi8r66 No. He just created them to cross roads.
Extremely insightful!
@@lidbass But who created the roads?
❤️Alan Rickman❤️
I know!!! I miss him. He was one of my favorite actors to watch.
Candy date every dense. What is that?
Well done.
RAmen!
I might think that all the people (especially televangelists) who say God talks to them would be a sign that he exists, except that it seems everything he tells them is going to happen, doesn't.
OF COURSE Gawd exists! (I went to high school with Him) lol 😹
Are you sure this is not an ad? Intelligent people know it's $$$ your after by grabbing hits.
God/gods are the original vapourware.
Well done!!!
BIgfoot is more beliveable than god or jesus
🤣😂🤣
What's going on with your sound? It's all mid frequencies and nothing else, and it literally hurts my ears.
I'm listening on a pretty good sound system and not hearing that at all. If anything, it's a bit bassy. But with my high, whiny voice, I need all the bass I can get. Anyone else hearing nothing but mids?
@@misterdeity
Actually, everything below 500 Hz or thereabouts seems to have just disappeared from your voice, so it's far from "bassy." Together with some weird compression it makes your voice sound oddly nasally and even scratchy at times. It can't be because of your high voice, since I don't usually hear this on other high-voiced UA-camrs.
Do your have a high-pass filter engaged on your microphone or pre-amp? If you're using a compressor, you might try a lower ratio or threshold.
@@unduloid Nope. I have two multi-band compressors bringing up particular frequencies at the bottom - and the high end just a bit at 8-12k.
@@misterdeity
It's very hard for me to diagnose it on my end. Let me just say that your voice tended to sound just fine, so I wonder if it's something you changed in your equipment, or if you use different software, changed your settings.
So unless you find a way to hear the issue for yourself (or let someone else help you) I think I'll just have to get used to the new status quo.
@@misterdeity Dulcet tones on this end.
I hope thats an apologist....
the man who says there is no God is corrupt, is a liar, and never does good (psalm 14 and 53)
@Steve M pro life all the way, and that's you twisting scripture.
Every cult and con man will tell you that everyone opposing their lies is actually the liar.
Meanwhile, I can demonstrate that your god can't exist.
The Bible doesn't claim a young earth, or a worldwide flood. If it did it would be incorrect. But it doesn't.
So many silly Christians teaching that for 2000 years!!! Where do they come up with that stuff?
@@misterdeity Yeah correct. They do not actually know the Scripture but rather their traditions. Same problem with many groups the world over. The "Grandpa Said" fallacy.
You in turn respond to their traditions. It's a lose lose
Flat earth creator gods, virgin birth saviors, flying angels, flying demons, flying jinn's, flying genies, flying cherubs with flaming swords, flying fire breathing dragons, flying horse chariots, flying pegasus's, flying horses, flying goats, flying elephants, flying buraq's, talking snakes, talking donkeys, talking ants, sticks that could part seas, giant humans, half men, half animals (centaurs), mammals getting out of graves AKA walking dead DO NOT EXIST and never did. The sun and moon are not being pulled around the hindu flat earth by a flying seven horse chariot..SMH All fables, myths and fairy tales from dead middle east men's imaginations 2 thousand to 3 thousand years ago, no different than today's movies. Cheers
So Billy boy, you didn’t read that wholly buybull?
I see belief in God as one of many available tools that we humans can use to incorporate ideas from the past with living in the present. Of course the traditional God of religion is silly and a product of people's desire to explain the world around them and to hold on to traditions from the past. But, as the "God of the gaps" becomes less and less, I think a God of imagination and wishful thinking may serve (some of us) as a useful metaphor for how we can cope with our experiences in the light of tradional thinking. Whether I choose to use metaphors from Zeus or Odin, I find this sort of fantasy perfectly benign and useful. I have plenty of fantasy ideas and as long as I know I am merely playing with ideas, I am not concerned that some people aren't just playing - they are in earnest - for them God exists and they are sinners. I know that the idea of God and sin are just so much BS but I like the idea that I can still play the religion game with phrases such as "thank God" or "God willing" etc. So where's the harm? Most of us enjoy Santa Claus and the Easter bunny - why not add one more fantasy - God?
Because people who believe in gods, especially in god of bible and quran, have done terrible things in name of their god.
Because believing in a genocial, misogynist, homophobic, etc... monster who promises to use violence forever and ever on those who simply don't believe the right thing is dangerous! Especial when such a Being is said to be the model of perfection and moral behavior. Believers want to be like Him, and often succeed!
@@misterdeity I hear what you are saying Brian. But, consider, we (in the West) live in multi cultural countries. Theists are sometimes nuts in their defense of their Gods. Sometimes, we may need to meet them a bit closer to the middle to avoid provoking their displeasure. Maybe if we can show them that we are not bothered by their beliefs, they might consider not forcing their beliefs on others. I don't care if people want to hold stupid ideas, but, like you, I am concerned that they will act on their fantasy beliefs to the detriment of the rest of us. Just trying to find some way to keep the peace. 🙂 Maybe that's just wishful thinking.
@@carlabest1257 The problem is both parties have to want peace. That's not in Tribal War god of Abraham playbook. Every knee must bow and every tongue confess. It's about monotheism in general. It's my way or the highway (straight to Hell). And as long as people honor that book and the monstrous central figure, peace is not an option. #realitycheck
@@misterdeity Brian - I appreciate your work and your videos. Thanks for all your efforts...
The wicked, in the haughtiness of his countenance, does not seek Him.
All his thoughts are, “There is no God.”
(Psalm 10:4)
The mentally weak and crippled, in their existential angst - led by fear of their own mortality, imagine the gods who comfort the weak with the opium of the masses and their own self-importance.
(BriBri 4:15)
See, I can imagine less than noble motives too. It’s easy! What’s not so easy is confronting the evidence, the arguments, and the facts - which you thought yourself clever in avoiding. But I see what you did there!
@@misterdeity I'm happy scripture convicted you somewhat. You are smart in your own mind.
@@leslieblanco3536
_["I'm happy scripture convicted you somewhat."]_
Here's a hint: He wasn't. At all.
_["You are smart in your own mind."]_
It's hard to be smart outside of your mind. You don't do any thinking over there.