MUST WATCH! 🤯 Martin Keown gets into a HEATED debate with White & Jordan over Gareth Southgate 🔥
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2022
- Should Gareth Southgate stay on with England? talkSPORT's Jim White, Simon Jordan and Martin Keown HEATED debate!
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Thank God that Martin spotted 31 year old Griezeman’s talent before anyone else. Thank you for enlightening us.
🤣
You can tell Simon can't take anything Keown says seriously, he's just sat there laughing at the ape 🤣🤣
also Greizmenn getting space due to the attention put on Mbappe... Greizmann has done nothing at club level for 4 years.
🤣😂🤣😂 Next he'll be saying "England have got some great youngsters, Saka, Foden, Rice, Bellingham, Lingard..."
Martin was not refering to Griezemann as a player!.. but within the setup and *formation* of the French team..
Martin : points out a bunch of things Southgate should have done.
Also Martin : we should keep him anyway
Well said.
How is the team improving when we finished in the QF at WC 02 and 06
Don’t forget the French team had players injured / missing.
Also people were saying France weren’t all that, now they say…. Ahhh they are the world champs.
We beat a poor German side the other year and people now count that as we beat a big / hard team 😂😂😂. Majority of England fans are deluded
Him and Gabby are painful to listen to
Yes indeed
Tell keown to shup up
Simon: (agrees with all of the following) Arteta has now demonstrated that it was good Idea to keep him on, despite the fact that he was floundering and criticised, in a similar way to Southgate, this time for 3 years of constant failure, despite playing week in week out, to try several ways of playing, in different situations, with the same players.
Also Simon: believes we should still get rid of Southgate.
Try to be consistent!
These arguments in support of Southgate are very similar to the arguments I heard for Solskjaer at United.
“The village idiot that is Danny mills” 😂😂
That sounds like something Simon will say and I've nit even gotten to that part yet 🤣
Love that
@@haddingtoniangcp2464 😂😂😂😂😂
It is not gareth it is gaweth.
How has martins hair suddenly grown back?
Simon said it for months , when England play a 50/50 they don’t win
agree. people say they are tough team, but then why do other nations not bottle it vs big teams.
Simon also said he wants Brendan Rogers 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@waleadeyemi6239 Thing is Rogers is still LEVELS above Southgate. Any manager with some tactical knowhow, who's also proactive, will be an improvement on Gareth.
@@AnthonyScott5425 based on club football. There is a difference between club football vs country football. We don’t know how he would react to managing a country like England
@@AnthonyScott5425 that’s the stupidest thing I’ve herd !!! 😂😂😂😂
The old boys club aka ex players, aka Gareth's friends, want Gareth to stay, and the pundits wants him to leave. Simple. And these boys club are the reason why England hasn’t and won’t win anything anytime soon, period
Pundits are idiots if live in this delusion that if we dont win a WC the tournament is a failure.
Just shows that we re all biased, really doesn't it?
@@jamesjarrett52 - They are the reason why the country hasn’t won and won’t win anything still anytime soon.
🎯
@@DE-hi9mc erm not really sure that Keown backing his old mate on the radio is the reason why England dont ever win. Not sure he or other pundits have that much influence on who is England manager
"I know you're not listening. I'm talking tactics and it's gone completely over your head" Hahaha that was funny.
"The village idiot that Danny Mills is" Lol, Simon Jordan is really entertaining.
loved that🤣
Personally, I thought that was a crass, arrogant comment but to each their own...
I totally agree with Simon Jordan on this one.......100%.....
You can tell Simon can't take anything Keown says seriously, he's just sat there laughing at the ape 🤣🤣
The arrogance of the English as epitomised by Martin Keown in his comments to Jim White.
All of Southgate's mates have been put on high alert this week to pander excuses for him and pull the wool over all our eyes
Trust me its a joke and the thing is they are so dumb aswell no valid argument.
All of them on the FA gravy train somehow no doubt
it's like what happened with ole.
@@mphasis1983 exactly!!
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 media agenda
I needed the “courage of my convictions” to sit through this heated debate
LMAO!! Martin pointing out Jim not even paying attention! Always cracks me up when he asks a question and then starts playing with his phone, not even listening to the answer!
Why would anyone listen to Keown
@@kol9382he’s the only one out the 3 of them that has been on the pitch, that’s why.
@@johndixon7007 that doesn't mean much when the opposition is making more sense
@@noducksgivenandthensome2547 making sense is opinion. Fact is he’s played the game and you haven’t. Or are you going to surprise me?
@@johndixon7007 you are right I haven't. But to paraphrase 'when a chopper is in a tree you know something has gone wrong', France was the latest tree. We should have won that game well before the missed penalty
This was about as heated as my front living room this winter
Keown would rather settle for mediocrity than criticise Southgates terrible in game management 🙄
Keown like s watching his wife getting nailed and doesn't get offended as as long as she's happy
Nonsense
dig out one of their own and they close ranks. footballers, managers.....
The argument is, England lost to the world cup winner, so its obvious they lost. But theyre also saying England played better than France, and had better player, so England had improved. Can not understand the logic of these pundit.
He's clearly said that anyone who is going to condemn Southgate or Kane for missing the penalty doesn't know football. You only proved his point
You'd think Southgate had won the lot given the media's stance on his position. We've won NOTHING and will continue to do so if we don't appoint a manager capable of taking these players to the next level
Like who..?
We won nothing since 66 at LEAST Southgate was the closet to get England to the promised land
Who?
Tuchel
😂
Martin loves marking homework when he’s in the TalkSport studio.
It's a wordsearch with no words longer than 3 letters
Absolute wonderful! Comedy gold 😂
😂
What does he even write?
Well those oxbow lakes won't mark themselves.
How has Martin Keown gone from being a hard man as a player to a wanky yes man as a pundit?
A hard man wearing a scarf indoors
Good question. 😂
You could say the same about Roy Keane.
How can he be a yes man when he disagrees with simon and jim ...
He's gone to the woke side.
Kewon is eying a position in the English F.A
Who's kewon
Key-own. 🔑
Gareth Southgate. Winner of the "Being Nice To The Media Cup" 2022.
Takes a perfect knee.
And made the squad harmonious 😂😂 who cares I wanna win
Thank You Gabriel ❤️
@@GamerFrisco GamerFrisco = Top LAD Proper Clobber
And winner of the second heaviest defeat to hungary club
Simon Jordan calling Danny Mills a "village idiot" is a serendipitous late highlight of the year for me. 😂
Timestamp?
@@gutzz151914:38
Man I just love Simon Jordan. The more I hear from him the I admire the fella. Always representing the majority of callers as evident from the callers that agree with him. He keeps it real ALL the time.
He doesn’t “represent the callers”, he is simply an honest man.
He's actually a massive hypocrite and contradicts himself on a regular basis. I used to enjoy listening to him, now he just makes me cringe most of the time. There must be something wrong with this country when a tory yuppie is seen as the voice of reason by so many people. In the land of the blind the one-eyed man is king, I suppose.
Representing the majority is usually a bad thing. NOT the sign of a truly free thinker.
You can tell Simon can't take anything Keown says seriously, he's just sat there laughing at the ape 🤣🤣
Judging by the level of the average caller my biggest fear would be agreeing with the majority.
Lets not forget how easy Englands GROUP stage was, compared to other top teams !!!!
England on paper and takings rankings into account had the hardest group! The average ranking in Englands group was higher than any other group.
@@D3ZG1978 *on paper
England had three teams in the top 20 rankings
Every other group had teams higher rankings
So how was England’s group easiest
@@D3ZG1978 if that makes you feel better lol
@andylowe3564 Exactly, but then again, the way those teams performed in the tournament, people do have a point.
Wales were like a holiday camp with two "legends" doing zip all.
Iran were poor against England and the USA did nothing either other than be the best team after England.
Keown doesn't know his backside from his elbow
The only way Southgate wins us a trophy is if he has a brain transplant..
He was some player though
You gotta love the way Simon puts his points out
Simon is the MAN and Keown is a delusional sh$thouse i have come across.
An ultimate wordsmith
Absolutely no one:
Simon: they had the courage of their convictions
Obscene burk
Even Tony Adams is making sense but here is classic Keown
What do you mean even tony adams he's probably the best cb england have had
Ferdinand better
@@sam-ze8bz What Donkey Adams?🤣............what decade were you born?........have you never heard of or seen footage of Bobby Moore (Englands 1966 world cup winning captain)?
Keown just comes on to get violated by Jim and Simon every time😂😂 rip to his mortgage
I can’t count how many times now I’ve seen a notification from talksport that says SIMON JORDAN GETS INTO A HEATED DEBATE WITH MARTIN KEOWN😂😂
Get harry redknapp in
I actually think Keown did well there. Had Simon on the ropes. Simon bangs on about Elite managers will make the difference. Luis Enrique? Semi final and a last 16 exit. Conte with Italy? Quarter Finals. It's not like we're being blown away in these 50/50 knockout matches. A more 'proactive' manager could have us 2-0 down in 30 mins. Southgate isn't perfect, got it wrong with the subs against France, but produced a performance where we had better XG expected goals, reduced them to few opportunities and touches for Mbappe in the box. Were ahead on most things, not to mention one of the top sides in the tournament for goals scored and conceded. Just got stung by elements outside of his control.
....and a truly shocking performance from the ref. Yes the subs didn't work, poor choice, but he got a lot right that match and tournament.
Well said.
How is the team improving when we finished in the QF at WC 02 and 06
Don’t forget the French team had players injured / missing.
Also people were saying France weren’t all that, now they say…. Ahhh they are the world champs.
We beat a poor German side the other year and people now count that as we beat a big / hard team 😂😂😂. Majority of England fans are deluded
Keown literally had never heard of griezmann before this tournament
The Jordan smile is iconic. Knowing he has the perfect answer to destroy Martin. Its fantastic.
Simon believes anything less than a WC win is failure. Remind me what he won?
Alex Ferguson had the same mentality too, second place is for losers
You can tell Simon can't take anything Keown says seriously, he's just sat there laughing at the ape 🤣🤣
@@2011hwalker well it is .. Portugal and Brazil managers resigned on not winning the WC . Elite Countries do that .. they consider not winning the WC a failure !!
@@2011hwalker life... he has 60 mill in the bank. Hes won a lot more than most people
Every Friday morning without fail, Keown gets schooled by Mr Jordan. He makes Gabby look like a genius
Gabby's never a genius in any circumstances.
Get harry Redknapp in
I remember Keown when he was at Villa, I don't remember him as the 'Hard Man' type at all, what I do know he absolutely talks 💩 most of the time.
@@hellobanking802 compared to many of the pundits here he's Einstein.
@@jmcc8718 Nah, yer alright.
Do you think Gareth ever gets angry? It's hard to imagine that guy shouting at anyone, like to motivate players to go that extra mile.
Southgate was an excellent footballer for us in his time at Villa and a good captain but when he insinuated he wanted to go to Middlesbrough to 'Win Things' back in the nineties then I changed my view lol 😆
Most of the time he was playing alongside Paul McGrath too!
Well he doesn't do the final team talk, he leaves that to Kane. He's just been a babysitter last X years
Lol you dont shout at elite top footballers, this isnt sunday league cr&p. Face it England lost to the best team in the world, no shame in that.
@@2011hwalker i think mike basset would of bollocked them and he took england to a semi final
The FA about a decade ago when they revamped their system: "Our target is to win a trophy by 2022"......... If not, then what's next?
Martin takes everything to heart! Chill out man! 😅
Watching Martin I find hard big arsenal fan here grew up watching the likes of Martin but he does nees to get out of southgates backside and stop being a yes man
Totally agree
@Moon Shine i totally agree mate
Keown disqualified Rodgers based on Leicesters last 9 games yet he forgets that Southgates only prior experience before becoming involved with England was to get Middlesbrough relegated. If Southgate is qualified to manage England then Rodgers is most definitely.
He's delusional, Rodger's has actually won a major domestic trophy but I guess being nice to the media is more important 🤡
He’s clueless
Rodgers is a very good manager - promotion with Swansea, top 2 finish with Liverpool, treble and unbeaten season with Celtic, top 5 finishes and FA Cup with Leicester.
Southgate - relegation with Middlesbrough.
These are points well-taken, but assuming Rodgers is open to the England job, and willing to depart from Leicester, why wouldn't the F.A. consider him? The argument that "a suitable replacement is unavailable" would be unsound in that case.
When it really meant something, you missed out. Well said Jim
ssshhhh
I have asked a number of people, would you want Southgate managing your team, only one said yes. He supported oxford. Says it all.
Where were scortland Jim? Where is scortland Jim?
"You'd be firing the manager wouldn't you?"
Yes 🤣
All Kane had to do was hit the target. But no the ball ended up in Dubai.
But to be fair, if he had passed it towards the net you would have slated him to hell, if Lloris had saved it, for not putting power into it lol
It's still in orbit mate lol
It's still on its way back from the moon
We should keep Southgate. If we keep progressing as we are, I can see us winning the World Cup on the planet Mars in 2048 .
Natalie Carlin I wish I could see that far.
Haha that's the type of analysis we need !!
🤣🤣🤣 I think you're right. Maybe Maguires 'Son' will be a better Defender than him.
I definitely wouldn’t of put my mortgage on Kane for that 2nd pen
It was obvious he was likely to miss. Everyone could see it.
how much time does he need? morocco manager had 3 months and got a semi final.
Please keep him - and keep being a 'nearly' team 😂
Keown’s serious tone - seems like he doesn’t realise that Jim is just trolling him…
He’s not a bright man
So true 😁
You can tell Simon can't take anything Keown says seriously, he's just sat there laughing at the ape 🤣🤣
@007feck Your comment is a paradox as they're both trolling each other. You've not seen that. Who's the village idiot? 😂 Good day.
@Danny Tallmage you are inaccurate...
"Played with belief"? No goals in open play and we spent most of the first half aimlessly passing the ball backwards and sideways in our own half. Never mind the other issues: favouritism, poor in-game management, poor use of substitutions, etc.
Here here; ridiculous eh!
Tbf, there was some good counter-pressing in the first half.
Morocco caused France more problems than us from open play….
‘A great French side’
They were on the ropes against MOROCCO 😂😂😂
@@IWTBF dude you’re posting this everywhere and Morocco didn’t even score a goal you twerp
@@theblues8840 cool story bro. But they did play more exciting and attacking than we did , they just lacked someone clinical or willing to shoot. They had France on the ropes mate
As an Arsenal fan, this reincarnation of Keown as a pundit is nightmarish
When does the tail wag the dog ..Simon Jordon ..pure class
How lucky are we that Southgate is taking the time to decide if he stays on 😂😂😂😂
Please stay Gareth!!
And who would you replace him with?
Why are England managers are a mockery. Other nations don't do this.
@@damianomen6077 del boy
@@damianomen6077 my dog! He’s a winner! Honestly, so we keep someone because we can’t think of someone else even though they are career losers! Unbelievable!
Martin Keown rattled😂
Simon Jordan is absolutely spot on. These players deserve better than a championship manager at best
Jim loves to twerk for Simon when he’s arguing with keown 😂😂
Jim twerks for Simon automatically😂
I've not heard this metaphor before. It's brilliant. Jim is defo doing handstand twerks. thank you 😂
@@DS-tj1vh Thats a spready to the gods. From Ozzyman.
Proper bum chum
Southgate is poor
Don't get upset Martin 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jim's witt and humour is so underrated 😆 🤣
No it’s not 😂 Jim shite
Yeah people like to ridicule him but he's quite funny.
They did Gareth dirty with that thumbnail 😅
Why? He's whispering into his ear...
Gareth's coaching method are hugging & love all around 💋
Jim is the best in the business
Love the content fellas 👏
Problem with England is ,we just aren't as good as we think we are, we're a decent team,no more
teams much worse than us have gotten much better results than us. we have enough good player to put together a proper team we just need better managers and coaches. this isnt said enough but the state of english coaches for a very long time has been actually pathetic.
England get easy route in tournament just for the rest of the world to have a good laugh at them when they knocked out against better teams.🤣😅😆
@@mefninja agree 💯, however I still think that because our premier League is considered the best and the English players are paid ridiculous amounts of money that play in it we think we are world beaters,take most of the top teams, the star players are foreign as are most of the players.
Morocco caused France more problems than us from open play….
‘A great French side’
They were on the ropes against MOROCCO 😂😂😂
wrong.. with that team and talent you should be doing more. Give Klopp or Pep that team.. they would have already have won a trophy with that setup. Your team has overall imo better talented squad than both Italy and Crotia for example. France and Brazil.. No.. but it's up there with around in top 5 talented squads in the world easily. The USA midfield out played the way more talented England midfield... with a different manager that would of NEVER happened in a million years
Well done for being nice to the media 😂😂😂 Simon shows no mercy again!! 😂😂😂
Give Southgate an eternity I still don't think he will win
Spot on, never beats the good nations
To not bring Trent on with 10 to go was stupidity yeah Mbappe might of scored one but at least go for it and try.
Why is Jim dressed like a Bond Villain's right hand man?
So why didn’t Southgate get someone on Greizmann
Southgate should have brought rashford on when the game was level and England would probably be semi or even finalists
The majority of people that said why is he taking rashford then saying why didn’t he come on amazes me
Had to bring his boyfriend sterling on
I get the feeling Jim doesn't like Keown 🤣🤣
Who does
I've got a feeling Martin hates Fridays
@@lfcspectre4335 Proper Clobbering for Martin day on Friday
Big ups to Jim for setting this match up...we all know he loves this.
Jim White is what we would have called in school a “stirrer” - ie someone who deliberately “stirs things up”, who creates massive controversy and argument. And when it comes to “our Jim”, there is no bigger stirrer in football punditry.
Slimy , odious man in other words . The school “ stirrer” was the one that always ran away first .
He loads the bullets for Simon
He likes stirring his booze as well.
Called Jim Shite for a reason
@@jamesjarrett52 I thought he'd given that up about a decade ago James...he has a massive ego now so goodness knows what he was like before the teetotal conversion !
Actually with Keown and behind Southgate myself. Easy to criticise in the pub
As an England supporter for over 40 years I’ve heard and seen every excuse going as to why we haven’t won a tournament , we’ve had world class players world class managers and still won nothing..if it were up to me I’d keep Southgate for the next tournament but in that time get someone else in place for 2026..but I don’t think it will make a difference on who you get ..we are not good enough!🤷♂️
We are good losers simple as
As an England fan as soon as France made it to the quarters I knew we were doomed. I just hoped we wud play well and to be fair we did. But the point stands we always lose to the top teams in knockout stages of tournaments France had no kante no pogba and no benzema and they still found a way that's the mentality we lack.
Nothing to do with our mentality, it's our terrible manager he can't be proactive or bring subs on right time
pointing out they were missing a few doesn't mean they would have done aswell as they have with them. France too many fantastic players to call on when there are injuries to the superstars. You say you knew we were doomed as if we lost 5-0. Come on it was 2-1 to France. Could just as easily on another day been other way round
@@marksmarsh2039 we went 1-0 up against Croatia and lost we went 1-0 up against Italy and lost. France were there for the taking in that 2nd half and we lost so three times it cud av gone the other way.
And France not even that good as we see now in this final and against morocco at times
@@IWTBF Not even that good ? ha ha ha
Nice guys win SFA, players and managers who win regularly are absolutely ruthless. Southgate isnt made in that mould.
Look at Southgate’s record against bigger teams out think in tactics speak for it self Martin
6:55 ‘shut up Martin we’ve to take a break - but not after I read this out…’ ouch…
"it is a commercial radio station" LoL
I disagree with Keown entirely but that was mad disrespectful
@@ejp9405 Yeah i think there's a line where you cross over past clever Banter, into blatant disrespect - and i think this is where they've got to now - and it really puts me off listening to them
The fact that Martin wouldn't take Southgate at Arsenal says it all!!
I'm a man u fan and I'd probably kill myself if Southgate became our manager, and this is coming from some who defended Southgate to the death like Danny mills and Martin, but that changed when we lost a home euro final, it was how he set the team up after we scored, he went defensive instead of going for it and then the same kinda thing in this tournament.
You are finished ETH and Teta are clear of Southgate.
Arsenal are top of the league - why would we want a new manager?
Jim White starting an argument he can’t finish so steps in Simon to rescue him as usual 😂 Bitter Scot
I mean Jim is kinda right.
It’s all excuses and concessions with the England gang. It’s pathetic.
Known is a cry baby.
Its literally his role in this format to start conversation to let Simon rattle on about them.
That’s his job, stupid.
@@1305vishalI like Jordan but Jim is a clown
The England manager job is not a training exercise. Staying with Gareth is just like Belgium wasting their golden generation with a sub standard manager or how spurs have wasted the best years of Kane, Lloris and Eriksen and not built a team round them when they were on an upward trajectory. Keep Southgate and you’re wasting this current crop of players
Oh dear, Jordan v Keown, I thought they'd banned seal clubbing.
I can just imagine the next England striker to miss a vital penalty, grief stricken, stood by the penalty spot as the opponents run away celebrating.
Out the corner of his eye he sees Southgate circling nearby, then closing in and reaching out with those long empathic fingers, clutching his head in mutual despair, whispering in to his ear.
You’re it.
Last sentence in your post makes no sense.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
🤣😂😂🤣🤣😂
@@josephstalin4906 LOL. Your Commie IQ is clearly not on the same level as this joke.
Morocco caused France more problems than us from open play….
‘A great French side’
They were on the ropes against MOROCCO 😂😂😂
Makes me crease when keown randomly goes on a tangent from the original question 😂
I really enjoyed listening to this today.
Get in there Martin, talks sense while the other 2 try to stir it.
"Would you have him manage Arsenal"?
Utter silence from Keown 😆
these conversations remind me of when we had Ole at United 😂
"Great, we came second in the game..."🤣🤣
“No one better than Gareth” well we’re fkd then, basically 🤷🏿♂️
Well said Simon 🔥🔥🔥
What did keown say about the rail strikes?
The fact keown thinks we went out because kane missed a Penalty is beyond laughable. Literally blows my mind!
He called out Pickford for the first goal and bad marking for the second as well, and highlighted his view that we failed to stop Griezmann tactically, AND conceded that Gareth maybe failed to make the right calls as a manager during the second half.
MK the picture boy for a "thick footballer"
No more 'Yes men', get this superb squad a 'Win man'.
There is zero improvement
They should stop booking Keown, he's really petulant and passive-aggressive - partly I guess because Simon always runs rings around him and he knows it, and rather than accept Simon is a better debater Keown just acts like a child lashing out at everyone.
well said
It really is annoying. He clearly bases all of his ideas on his feelings
Makes a good show…..
Yep he is to aggressive not a good pundit
You can tell Simon can't take anything Keown says seriously, he's just sat there laughing at the ape 🤣🤣
You can't argue with southgates experience and skill he brings, to give his players a nice little cuddle when they knocked out every tournament.
Martin doing a “ no chance of another contract” appearance. Weighed down by the huge chip on his shoulder. Well done Simon keep it coming!!!
Simon: Do you think he’s an elite manager…..
Martin: he’s an elite leader
😂😂😂😂
Well done Martin, holding your own.
😂 I love dry wit.
Haha holding his own😂
I thoroughly enjoy Martin Keown continuously coming in the studio and being absolutely skewered by Jordan every single time 🤣 He properly dodged the Southgate managing Arsenal question too, what a fooking idjit
Says the guy who cannot spell eejit, ya EEJIT.
@@zu1875lu Very convincing argument, that's the best you can come up with? 🤦 Is that you Martin?
I hear bullshit in media saying ' the players have told Gareth that they back him'. I dont think they'd risk not being in the next Euro team if they told him he was shite and the FA kept him on.
James Maddison should have played in this game he would have been a game changer even with his free kick he would scored
He really tried to gaslight him 😂 “dont get upset” when hes clearly not upset
He was a little upset 😂
Definitely was upset
He was rightfully upset Jim White was being rude and aggressive towards Martin from the start
Must admit I find jim white to be very abrasive.
He clearly was
Southgate's with England is so similar to that of Solskjaer's at United: "He needs one more season. One more game. One more tournament." 🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️
80 games as a club manager in one season? He was Middlesbrough manager not fucking Man City
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Simon in amazing form atm lol