Breaking Impact Bits? We Are Too But The Crescent Vortex Might Help?
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- Опубліковано 4 лют 2025
- The Crescent Vortex Bit Holder is available at Lowes per the box it came in. I really expected this to work well and I am sure you can see some of my frustration. I followed the instructions and did not see any difference.
I was hoping to be able to provide a good solution, but I am not going to lead anyone in the wrong direction.
Great video! - Its all about the right impact driver in the right hands - You don't need this Vortex gimmick in your life to hide your dumbness, instead learn, improve and become smart and be safe.
I break torx on torx cap bolts all the GD time. That said, this doesn't look like the solution either. Great video!
I see you also have good taste in your channel subscriptions, love you guys and your work 👌
Typically my bits wear down before they have a chance to snap but that's with trigger discipline which many people don't seem to have
Trigger discipline doesn’t matter when pulling the screw out and it needs that power, that’s when I have snapped them on door hinges. It seems like it’s only stainless screws that are stuck to the point of snapping bits for me.
I learned that technique before they had cordless drills if you wanted to remove a screw I was stubborn but then I learned this high school for my shop teacher like 30 years ago and you definitely have to have control if you don't do brakes bits easy back then bits where not that strong
Yup - "trigger Discipline" is the key regardless you use the HF or Snap-Off Bits
I mean, there was definitely a difference. The driver gave for a second or two extra before breaking. It helps to know how the thing is built (Project Farm did an impromptu tear down of one of these)... there are two friction plates that clamp down on both the driver side and the bit holder side. If the resistance peaks, they cam out and the driver side can free spin. A better demo would be a bolt driver, as I don't think the shank of the bit would break like the thinner T25 end did here. That said, that extra second of leeway is pretty nice to have.
When you said we Milwaukee fans were thinking it's just too strong a driver... that's EXACTLY what I was thinking at that very time! 😎😎😎 Love your videos!!! 👍
Trust me, it's not the Milwaukee; I have the very same one and I also have the very same DeWalt, presented here and all you need to know, is that the Milwaukee is the less powerful of the two... Cheers!
Just about any impact driver will break bits...🤫
Properly using tools is how you don't break bits
@@boosted2.4_sky You are absolutely right! 100%!
That's why I love your channel. You call it like it is.
Hi, when the screw head reaches the hard stop at the metal chamfer of the door plate, the screw head generates high friction force and does not want to rotate anymore. Most torque from the bit is then added to the screw head, not to the screw body. As a result, the bit can tolerate some buildup high torque but could not tolerate the max torque from driver. Eventually, the bit tip break. WITHOUT the metal plate (no hard stop), the high torque (not the max torque) will pass to the screw body and pull the screw head into the wood without breaking the bit. If you have a weak screw like the drywall screw, the screw will break first before the bit will break.
only ever broke bits trying to get screws out of some threaded holes that were over torqued, rusted, and had 50+ lbs of pressure pulling on them.
Just like I don't approach traffic lights at 100mph and slam on the brakes just in time to stop, I don't drive screw that way either. The only time I break bits is when I'm trying to remove something that's not cooperating. But usually, the fastener breaks before the bit. That Milwaukee on high is just incredibly over powered for what it is. And I love it! haha! Some folks just don't have any "feel" for much of anything mechanical. One of those folks, this bit holder and their Harbor Freight driver probably make a good trio.
I use a blue-striped T25 Wiha bit in a Kobalt impact bit holder to drive Power Pros and Deckmates until the head is sunk past the face of lumber nearly every day and not one of them has ever broken. Can't say the same for the ones included with screws or any Phillips 2 bit I've ever used.
TRIGGER DISCIPLINE! Lol I love that vortex bit from Bosch
I just don’t like that it’s not magnetic
Workshop Addict is the best tool breaker in the business.
I do residential maintenance for a living. I use my M18 Fuel and M12 Fuel impact everyday. I have never had a bit shatter. They always wear out but I’ve never broke one. I usually stick to Milwaukee, Makita, and DeWalt for my driver bits.
Hello again Work Shop Addict
Thank you for another Great Video. I just bought the Milwaukee Shock Wave kit. And broke a number of the Phillips number 2 bits. Taking screws out of panels. I was using my new Milwaukee M12 driver on low. Maybe I will try the Makita impact bits. Again thank you
I think this was definitely an odd test for them to suggest. Most people with a brain, or with a little bit of experience, know better than to go full bore using an impact to install hinges(much less use a 3 inch deck screw). I’ve screwed thousands and thousands of screws and have broken a Phillips bit or two…my T-20/T-25 bits wear out before I snap them. I think where this has the most potential is using it with nut drivers or socket adaptors. I feel those definitely snap more frequently than anything else.
I agree 100 percent. Why tell us to test like this.
That’s crazy that you’ve had such little experience breaking bits. I’ve broken so many with an impact using tec screws in sheet metal. But I’m more surprised that your favorite bits doesn’t include dewalt, as I’ve had the best luck with their bits.
Well it's nice to be reassured. I almost picked that Cresent doodad up at Lowes the other day while looking for another bit extension option that might remain functional for long impact usage but I thought it looked gimmicky. I use T30 and T40 bits all day with big lag and bolt fasteners for outdoor structures and often need an extension for my bits that also allows me to switch bits easily. I usually use 2" Makita or Dewalt bits and they dont break in my use case even when I have to hammer on a bolt or lag. Of course T30s and T40s are pretty Beefy tips. My problem is that I often use extensions and the impacting really wears out the extension retention mechanisms quite fast and the bits end up getting stuck in the extensions. I really also prefer a bit locking extension to prevent the bit coming out during use and most of the locking mechanisms can't handle extended impact use. I'm trying a Wiha locking extension now with my fingers crossed. I've gone through too many of the typical Dewalt locking extensions, which I did like, to justify using them any more for any extended impact use.
Next time you’re there, pick up some Wiha bits.
@ontarioknivesNS7 Your comment is quite timely as I just picked up the Wiha Go Box impact bit set the other day and it's a pretty neat little set. But the Wiha locking impact extension that I referred to in my previous comment 11 months ago was quite disappointing. It barely lasted a week before breaking under normal impact bit usage installing lags. So I would not consider it impact rated whatsoever. The best luck I've had so far after trying so many is one of the newer Dewalt extensions. It's Lowes
Item #196645 Model #DW2507
It's been the best one I've found yet for durability in all day impact use. It's got a pretty decent magnet as well for holding larger fasteners like T40 headed lag bolts. It is a little large in diameter but after trying about every brand out there over 10 years it's been the most durable in my experience.
That is exactly where I break bits. Just broke Milwaukee impact ready #3 bit a couple weeks ago on some hinges on metal frame, the tip was brand new with the m12 surge.
Had have done the same exact thing. Myself and another guy bought Milwaukee impact bits at the same time. I think they had a bad batch. Got rid of them and went to Dewalt.
@@gvrtools4566 are the Dewalt tougher?
Idk I just bought one because it seemed pretty neat, I like big heavy things and it’s the beefiest bit holder I’ve ever seen, comfortable to work with
I've used Makita, Milwaukee, Dewalt, even Harbor Freight bits on my Milwaukee impact... NEVER had one break on me (well, besides when I used a flat edge bit on a screw that was too large). Pretty much always on speed three, but then again once I sink the screw I stop, I don't just keep the trigger pulled until it breaks, or run it so fast it sinks to the end and then breaks, I feather it near the end so I don't over-drive the fastener.
I could imagine that a bit holder would potentially transmit less torque, therefore help with breaking less bits... but really I think it's up to the operator and not extra tools to help with this issue.
Fully agree, but Crescent instructions said the bit holder would perform and I followed the way they wanted it done. I have never broke so many bits in my life as I did in that video. Trigger control.
Geez, what kind of screws did they send you I got to get me some of them. I'd normally snap the heads off the screws long before I break a bit
The only bits I've broken are removing bolts or screws that are rusted in place.
Same here, and I don't think that there is a way around that problem without using heat or spray penatrent aka PB blaster
So when is Milwaukee going to come out with it two step clutch system. Cuts out after a certain amount of torque while impacting, hold the trigger again and it's in regular driver mode with adjustable clutch settings. I'd buy a new impact for that.
So the Crescent didn't work, thanks for saving us money by not buying the marketing hype. Thanks for sharing!
BTW, did you try to use the Screw Setting on the Milwaukee with a regular bit?
To save my batteries and impact driver and bits I try to predrill most holes. This also minimizes spliting wood also. It reminds me also of automotive us too. I try to break high torqued large bolts by hand, with a extra long breaker bar maybe 1/2 - 3/4 turns Then back them off with the impact. Save your tools!
No way, save your body, use your tools
You buy these tools to make life easier for yourself, may as well use them
Hey, what do you think about the 20v 8/10ah vs 9ah flexvolt battery? Which delivers more power to 20V/FVA?
Man...I love that MHPT Hoodie! That is clean. Secondly, I also just picked up one of these Vortex holders a couple weeks ago. Seems to work well, though I'd be interested to see if it actually helps impacts or not...
That hoodie is light weight and soft. Not a good work hoodie, but an awesome chill out and get drunk in hoodie.
@@WorkshopAddict I don't see why you wouldn't want light weight at work. A little insulation goes a long way when exertion is involved. Me, the most I'll wear at work is a vest on top of a T-shirt.
@@orijimi I do want light weight 100 percent, but I want durable. This is more hang out gear than work, IMHO.
@@WorkshopAddict haha hell yeah. Just picked one up. Super comfy.
I use Diablo bits or DeWalt impact ready bits never have a problem with them, i keep a bunch of them in my tool box of multiple sizes
I've had good luck with the Bosch Impact Tough line of bits and drivers
Watched a complex test of T-25 driver bits on UA-cam; drove 100 3" screws in and back out, then checked the tip for wear and also did shear test. Milwaukee t-25's were by far the best, then Bauer from Harbor freight. Dewalt, Makita, Montana tool, porter cable were all tested. None of the different brands broke any tips off. Maybe too much force?
I own that vortex no issues actually crescent sent it to me for free with that same box of tape measure that you got I just didn't get the special challenge thing you got I guess that's for true influencers I want a small channel this is popped up in my feed again
I’ve broken a few Makita Phillips bits like that but never nothing like that the one thing I will say is try some Wiha bits they have been incredible for me
I honestly would say that the Milwaukee impact drivers are just that much more powerful. I accidentally broke a coworkers wedge tool in my impact when he said he had used it previously in his many times without such a problem.
Is the crescent impact bits available
Hi mate! I was hoping to "find" a gadget which I never heard about... Well; it's not something to crave for. I have never in my life broken a bit, other than those Philips ones which tend to "jump" out of the screw; might be that I use the appropriate amount of torque, or it's simply the routine factor... Cheers!
Never broke a t25 driving screw, however, PZ2? No luck, they all died immidiately, even using a drill, not impact driver, don't know if I got a bad batch of screw or what, but it was very annoying.
most people putting in hinges will predrill ho;e even a centering bit to start it but thus is a test on durability.
Only bits I’ve consistently broken were the impactx bits and the older Milwaukee bits…
The only time I broke an impact bit was securing concrete backerboard. that's been many years ago and I broke alot of bits. I think that's because they used to be phillip head bits. now everything is t-25 or Robertson. They strip after a few hundred screws but no snapping. the best bits i have found are the ones that are used in impact screwdrivers that mechanics use. They seem to take a bit more abuse.
I have never ever ever ever broken a bit in an impact like that. Torx, Robertson , Phillips. They wear out but never break.
Well done
Where do you buy the crescent impact bits at
Lowes sells some Crescent bits and holders, but not a full selection.
I think it's more of a case of proper use... most people don't break bits if they're properly installing fasteners... I could imagine that people running screw after screw at a fast pace would obviously break more bits than a diyre... maybe that's who would benefit from a bit holder like the one from Crescent🤷♂️
i feel like that Cresent bit holder would shine really well w impact sockets/ nutsetters,, or even the 2 inch bits in it,,, but that's just too much, too long n wonky like for my blood lol..
Broke a T25 once. Gave up while driving in a concrete screw. Usually just use the GRK bits that come in the box, seem to be high quality. I do have and like that bit adapter but just use it for an extension.
Never broken a bit like that. Ever. They usually wear out or I lose them.
Based on my experience, DeWalt impacts tend not to snap bits or drill bits. Hear me out. It's due to the wobble. It allows the chuck to perform better at angles and with vibration. Try to prove me wrong.
DeWobble is "it's not a fault, it's a feature"? This makes me think of Milwaukee claiming that their loosey goosey batteries are a feature to reduce vibration.
Sounds like a bunch of hogwash to me
had a job where the guy I was working for gave me a whole set of makita gold bits. told me they were the best, Month later, none were left. Horrible garbage. But I actually use my tools on a job so I guess up on a shelf they last alot longer.
I love my makita bit set but it’s xps
Dang that's a big box for just a few things 🤣🤣
I broke bits only by being sloppy, in a hurry I don't insert the bit properly in the screw, probably slight tilt is the main issue. And I only broke PZ2 bits (they are similar to philips and are the most common here in Europe)
I also use torx bits A LOT, and never broke any of them.
And I use makita XDT16 (DTD171) and bosch impact bits
lol" given it the beans" haaa... nd yeah w my impact I always use the 2 inch bits w out and holder or nada n I don't ever break a bit.. but the small inch bits in a holder will break all day... it's cuz the tension that's supposed to be disposed like on the longer shift of the 2 inch buts,,, is all going straight to the bit from the holder.. the holder is just twisting the small bits vs spreading it across the whole holder/bit.
Named Vortex for a reason its the sound of your money going down the drain. As you demonstrated if you use common sense as you tighten fasteners you lessen the chance of breaking them or the bit. They are expendable items for a reason summer a bit stronger than others but they all have their limits
I’ve twisted more driver bits than shattered. (I have a ton of the cheap bits from various projects that work fine for general use) but I’ve had two Dewalt Philips bits shatter while fixing something at work.
Many modern impacts have different power modes anyway.
I bought a crecent , didn't last a month
Must be really hard wood
Ive never had a problem with makita gold. Once I found them, I never tried anything else
Eh milwaukee impact bits are the worst possible, I get about 5 screws out of one, they just snap
Almost like some voodoo snapping the bits. I built a chicken coop and never broke one
Yes. Hart impact bits break very easy.
Most people know when to stop screwing.
The only bits I've ever broke was Ryobi. Not really break, more like the head just rounds off.
their called "flex torques" for a reason... cuz the the 2 in bits actually bend , not break
I wear my bits out.... not break them.... prob cuz I know how to use my tools.. . Cuz I know it's not luck!
Cool 😎
Something is wrong with your audio, it’s never been bad the last few videos sounds like there’s a cricket somewhere and they’re just making a constant noise.
I cannot hear it on this end?
I am editing today and i can hear it. Very slight on my end, but I am able to remove it. Must have something going on with a mic. Thank you!
@@WorkshopAddict yes sir you’re welcome!
Makita and Milwaukee are decent Chinese products, Milwaukee maybe above average. But for bits ands things I turn to Wiha and never worry.
I break phillip tips all the time.
who uses an impact drill to install door hinges ?…drill a pilot hole and screw using correct torque drill … gez
Big red has to much power