ClearView Wants A Rematch vs. RapidFire BUT DID IT WIN?
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Thanks for the test. It's too bad that you turned around just when the RapidFire was starting to drop out. If you hadn't, you would have seen the CV2.0 go way further and leave the RapidFire way behind. I'm looking forward to your next test that if not at a greater distance, will at least be in a more challenging environment.
With the CV reading zero RSSI I didn't want to chance it. But I'm thinking how I could do this test without the risk of losing the quad.
@@JoshuaBardwell Wouldn't this be a perfect use case for GPS rescue?
@@JoshuaBardwell CV does not use RSSI. It has at least a few more dB of usable video past when the RSSI bars are zero. See my channel for some proof of this. When you do your comparison, I want to see you take it far enough that they both lose lock. Compare the distance/location.
Joshua Bardwell You could leave the receivers at your house and walk half way between where they are and where they began to drop out using another receiver in your goggles.
Maybe the RSSI bars should be adjusted then. If 0 RSSI doesn't mean, "turn back now," then what does it mean?
It may be a bit better but I don't wanna carry a ground station and pay twice as much for only marginal performance gains
Excellent point!
Would you do it if the CV2.0 could be built inside of your radio?
@@Ryanfriedman96 im not a racer so rapidfire works good enough and don't need the extra performance especially for twice the price
@@Ryanfriedman96 Not for anything remotely close to $300 !! :(
When I hear ground station I think of icky leslie parody on YT lmao
The fact that RapidFire is an in-goggle module makes it so much more versatile and portable considering that you can pair it up with the FuriousFPV Dock-King to turn it into a ground station.
what im seeing here in this test... not worth the money... ill stick with my rapid fire... not to mention ITS A GROUND STATION!!!!
Yeah, I bet if Rapidfire came out with a Ground Station, they could make there's even better too! It's not comparing apples to apples!
But, $300 is an Epic Fail! That's as much or more than most of the recent goggles that have come out!!! At some point, the price gets ridiculous! This is way more than it! I'll bet Clearview could match the price of Rapidfire if they wanted to... There's not that much cost to these things! 🤔😕
@@scootroter4859 yeah i agree they could prob meet the price but the thing is and what most people forget is the R&D put into it and that cost money not to mention the time aka "man"(woman) hours put into it to try to make it the best... i agree if rapid fire came out with a ground station it would KILL clearview without a doubt... to me a ground station is designed for 2 things... long range and a race event... that being said for me being more (mostly) into freestyle and fun fly rapid fire is the best for me....
When I hear ground station I think of icky leslie parody on YT lmao
@@flo-ridafpv5713 when I think of a ground station I think of 2 movies... the old "Top gun" and "Hot Shots!"... "Negative ghost rider the pattern is full"
@@firejeep2009 yea amber says that in taranis hehe have ya seen the icky fpv parody call ground station guy ? It's hilarious
One module I'd like to see in the comparison test is the original Fat Shark FSV2445 antenna switching diversity module.
It would perhaps be a useful reference as to what the early days were like compared to the ClearView, Rapidfire etc..
That and it's what's been in my goggles for 2.5 years now, it serves me well in the big open spaces I fly, yes the dip switches for the bands are annoying but all my quads are on E1 so not really a problem.
i switched out my rapid fire module for a clearview 2.0 a few weeks ago after rapid fire dropped out a few times and caused me to crash, hadnt switched to legacy mode just wasnt impressed with the rapid fire module. after a few weeks of testing i can honestly say the clearview ground station is noticably better and the lock seem more rock solid. jusy my oppinion
I bought a Clearview goggle module not very happy and they took forever to ship. Got a Rapidfire what a difference. Switch to a ground station. I don’t think so. Seems like a step backwards.
I feel the clearview wins here but ground station vs module is no contest for me
I'm glad clear view didn't just roll over, good competition is good for all of us!
I hope it won, it's a ground station against a module that cost half the price lol. Let's see if they can improve their module. Nobody want's to hang a brick off their face.
Rapidfire is still the champ... ImmersionRC ftw
As someone who's preparing to get in to a ground station with monitor, I was lamenting the fact that I couldn't put a Rapidfire into a monitor.
Yeah, Clearviews are expensive, but for certain applications it may be exactly what is desired. And in this case, it looks like I have some saving up to do.
I keep seeing comments about the hassle of a ground station. It takes about the same time to screw antennas in a goggle module as it does to set up the ground station. I actually prefer it now cause I can move my head around freely without worrying about if my directional are pointed in the direction of my kwad. Oh and I have a much more solid lock on them signal. The 2.0 is actually very small in form factor.
Please tell us there will be a TBS Fusion module in your head to head module review!
It's not available to the public yet so unfortunately no, but as soon as it comes out I will test it.
300 $ ? clearview already lost :D
Exactly! When does the price get ridiculous! N O W !
Yeah, if they came in around 130-150 then this might be a winner~ but until then it's just not worth the price
Let's say you put a Mazda Miata and a Lamborghini side by side on the same 60MPH (100KPH) road. They roll down the road, side by side at the speed limit. This makes it hard to tell which one has the best performance, doesn't it? But put them both on a challenging road and everything changes. So if you fly in a place without too many walls between you and your quad, or no stands of trees and bushes, or any concrete walls or rebar reinforced floors or structures, without much multipathing, and not too far away... well, you get the point. Now I'm not suggesting that you go out and buy a Lambo. But the CV2.0 isn't 10X the price either. Anyway, here's a test with a bit more challenge to it: ua-cam.com/video/jAI-TK7qPbY/v-deo.html
I appreciate that the CV may shine when even longer range tests are done. It may not be obvious for those who don't live here, but the "behind the barn" section of my FPV receiver test flight path is designed to challenge the sensitivity of the modules. During that section of the test, many receiver/vtx combos will completely go to static at 25 mW output power.
For perspective, I am standing on the porch of my house. The signal must go through two walls made of 8" logs (it's a log home). Or it could theoretically bounce into a window and out another window. The signal is also going through my barn, which has walls of 1.5" thick timber planks. And, of course, there are plenty of "stands of trees and bushes" etc. on my property.
Although the 60 mph test would not fully show the Lambo's capabilities, the Lambo would still beat the Miata to 60 by a fair margin. In the same way, I think this test does show a clear advantage for the ClearView during the most challenging parts.
The thing that is very difficult to communicate in a test like this is the difference that an advanced module's processing makes even when signal strength is high. With an advanced module like CV or RF, the picture is clear and stable, even when RSSI is high. There is no diversity flashing and minor breakup is reduced or eliminated. This gives a much more pleasant experience which is impossible to convey simply by looking at a UA-cam video. But short of letting people fly the modules themselves, this seems to be the best we can do.
Thanks for the test. For me a groundstation is no option. I need to hike for hours with my equipment to reach my spots in the mountains.... i have to reduce weight and needed space to a minimum. So it depends on how handy the RX module has to be for you if Clearview should be an option...
I like to see comparisons of tech, it allows us to make better decisions for our own needs, I thank you for that.
So far the modules in my ev200d have done what need. So I'll wait until I need better, and wait to see what improvements come to rapidfire, Clearview etc with more time and competition. 🤓
I'm happy with rapid fire.
Will you test tbs fusion?
Definitely. There is so much interest in this product, I couldn't pass it up.
Even if CV is a little bit better, I'm still wondering why have all the hassle of a groundstation while RF is an in-goggle module?
When I hear ground station I think of icky leslie parody on YT lmao
D Morgan why do you have to reply with the exact same comment to EVERY comment that mentions ground station? Stop spamming.
I love my clearview 2.0 over the Rapidfire. Sure the groundstation isn't as easy as a module to just pop in and fly, but my clearview lives mounted on my taranis so its not that much of a burden.
Plus in this video all Bardwell is doing is flying a single quad around in a space with virtually zero RF interference or multipathing. Range is not what the Rapidfire or the Clearview are about... they are all about that good video even with impossible RF environments. This video does NEITHER receiver any true justice and its why they appear to be so equally matched. Take a Clearview 2.0 in a multipath environmnent versus the Rapidfire and the Clearview 2.0 is going to win by a large factor. I know this because I own both of them, and have flown hundreds of packs on each one.
Lets also point out the FACT that the Rapidfire does not agree with the Fatshark built in DVR at all! Rapidfire is known for dropping frames in the DVR like its no ones business, even when you have perfect video signal. That makes posting your video of your runs a lot more difficult if chunks are missing. The Clearview and Clearview 2.0 just simply do not have this problem!
I am not convinced by the argument that this is not a challenging RF environment. That argument may be truthful, but the fact is, a HUGE number of pilots fly in an environment exactly like this. So is the conclusion that those pilots would be just as well off buying a True-D? If that is your argument, then I submit this is still a valid and useful test.
But I don't buy it. I can see a MASSIVE difference flying RapidFire in this environment vs. flying True-D or another "traditional" module. If that difference does not come out in the test, then it's because there is a difference between looking at a screen in replay, and flying the actual module. Unfortunately there's no way to overcome that without putting the module in the pilot's hands.
Your argument about ClearView not dropping frames in Fat Shark DVR does not match my experience. When I did the very first versions of my testing, I used Fat Shark DVR to record. (I have since moved to taking GoPro recordings of the actual goggle screens, which I feel is more accurate.) I had to do a ton of work to sync up all the footage around the dropped frames, and yes, I had to sync dropped frames on the ClearView too. This is more a criticism of the Fat Shark DVR than the CV module, however.
I am going to be releasing a test of the CV and RF module in a high multipath environment today, so we will see how the claims bear out.
@@JoshuaBardwell Our experiences just aren't lining up. I have yet to drop a frame on my HDO Dvr with the Clearview 2.0. On Rapidfire is a constant thing I can almost promise that for every 2 minutes of recording with the rapidfire in the loop I will drop 2-3 seconds of video. For a while I was super frustrated by this because I did not realize the association between the rapidfire and the dvr until I heard a bunch of others at IO talking about the same thing. When we use the MultiGP provided groundstations, there is no frames being dropped by the DVR, but if you use your Rapidfire there is. Not sure why I am finding this to be the case and you are not, but perhaps will more time and more packs spent flying by each of us and others in the community a consensus will be reached that is more flushed out.
@@rotorgrrlfpv8568 I suggest that, unless you are syncing your DVR footage to GoPro then you won't notice some dropped frames. And since you're racing, I suspect you aren't running GoPro to compare. It's really easy to demonstrated whether a DVR has dropped frames. Fly with a GoPro, accurately sync the start, then after 2-3 minutes of recording, see if the ending is synced. I have never yet seen the Fat Shark DVR stay in sync over the course of a whole flight. Maybe the new 1.2a firmware improves this.
I agree CV has better maintenance of sync to DVR than RF in most circumstances. I just dispute the claim that CV never drops frames.
@@JoshuaBardwell Recently I did start running laps with a Runcam 3s (doesnt have to be a "GoPro" brand camera.) on board. The last video I put on my channel is me doing exactly that in a race against Nytfury. So yeah, I mean I know how to notice the difference lol. This is not just a "freestyle" thing as you were implying by your "since you're racing" thing. Even before using the 3s I was using a normal fpv cam accompanied by the micro split cam for the HD recording. So yeah got plenty of experience dealing with this.
I will give you that its probably not "fair" to say that CV NEVER DROPS FRAMES EVER but I really wasn't even saying that lol. Just that in my experiences I haven't seen it happen when in comparision to the Rapidfire where its a constant issue.
Good talk, good talk lol.
I agree that the CV is the best out there for keeping the FS DVR from frame dropping. You won't get an argument from me on that.
Ground Station VS Goggle Module, Why? I don't think it's fair but it's your Channel.
When I hear ground station I think of icky leslie parody on YT lmao
Joshua thanks for sharing. Do you think there is room in FPV for a joystick controller that piggybacks on the main controller like the Taranis X9D Plus? I just saw the FT Aviator device for DJI products and they are creating one for FPV. Do you know of any that exist currently? I seems natural that this type of controller should come into this market?
Can’t wait till next week to see the real test I do like to setup grand station one day I had clear wives module burns after 3 months I burned with it lol. After that I bought rapid fire it’s 10 times better as you already know
a price of $300 and a wait of how many months until the preorders are filled? lol
please include ev200D with stock receiver modules for the next multipathing test thanks
I think the Clearview took this one😬🤣 only looking at the picture, not considering price etc. 👍🏻
Being a ground station and twice the price is going to make it hard to justify for most folks.
All I want to see is the fusion vs rapid fire
Nobody has Fusion yet except internal testers. When it releases, I'll test it.
What's the fusion??
@@BubbyFPV TBS module for fatshark
@@JoshuaBardwell sweet
It would be great to also see a good budget module in this test. Something like the Eachine Pro58 with the Achilles firmware (the one you need to pay for, not the free version. Don't use the stock firmware. That one is pretty bad). That way us poor people can see what we are getting if we were to spend several times the money :-)
ua-cam.com/video/uBaycBthtXQ/v-deo.html
Pro58 was in this test I believe.
I have both a rapidfire and a CV GS 1. The CV is better in both heavy multipath environment as it is in range, the rapidfire is good and handy bacause its a module with more than decent RF performance. Both have there place. Neither wins imho
but is it a module?
No.
Doesn't matter that there's marginal performance increase, it's still a ground-station and costs much more. I'll definitely be sticking with Rapidfire.
Please test the Eachine EV200D when you do the tests!
That looks noticably better..... But is it value for the extra money?
I’m sure Tony is shaking in his flip-flops. I mean, who wouldn’t want to spend another $300 and be tethered to a tripod (those aren’t free either) for what looks like a 1% increase in performance?
Lol When I hear ground station I think of icky leslie parody on YT soo funny
I haven’t seen it, I’ll have to check it out. I don’t know how much momentum CV lost when the cheaper, better IRC module dropped in the midst of their release struggles, but this certainly isn’t a redeemer. Soon they’ll be up against the TBS module. RIP CV.
I am awaiting delivery of my HDO goggles and RapidFire module. Should be here on Monday. I could've easily gotten the Clearview as I was under budget for this round of parts\gear, but I figure that 150 bucks can go towards a new stack and motors instead of maybe sightly better video.
I’m sure you’ll love it, I have the HDOs with true D and they are amazing. Thinking about upgrading to rapidfire soon.
@@johncitizen3361 I started with ev800D and then went to Aomway Commander V1's and am now switching to the HDO and passing the Commanders to my son and the EV800D to my little brother as those are what my son was using. Keep the circle of FPV alive!
thegrafxguy1 haha that’s funny I started with eachjne box goggles but struggled because I need glasses to see the screen up close, then I got the commander V1s for over a year and then switched to HDOs. I keep the commanders in my backpack so I can give people ride alongs which is always fun.
@@johncitizen3361 aye. I give co-workers fly alongs all the time around the office with my whoops during lunch. Gotten a couple people there into the hobby as well.
Its quite strange that they cant build a module version for Fatshark
I got my rapidfire for around 80$ with the orqa fpv one and it is a module not a ground station so that for me is unbeatable
I have been flying FPV for over 4 years and I gotta be honest, the ground station thing does not turn me on. I try to keep my flight bag light, compact and efficient. I would not even entertain a ground station because I simply don't want to lug around a tripod, cables and battery packs etc. If clearview came up with a nice goggle module at a price closer to Rapid Fires $150, then I would at least entertain giving them a try. If they are only trying to target racers with this product then there is problem with that as well. Why would I spend 300 bucks on a ground station that really performs its best doing long range stuff, when most race courses are on a soccer field and everyone is running 25mw and never getting more than 50 yards from the ground station. Tranversly why would I want to lug a ground station when I am out scouting new spots, or ripping in the forest. It may have a purpose for certain situations but I don't see it being a convenient replacement to my Rapid Fire goggle module.
Would you be willing to test IMD rejection? I learned about it recently and have never seen anyone test whether some receivers can reject IMD. Maybe just have two other vtxs transmitting on frequencies that produce IMD on that freq for part of the test? Looking forward to it!
The best video receiver to me is the one that will not fail with any other camera randomly, and then manufacturer blames the cameras.
Hi JB, noticed there was a True d firmware 3.9. What changes have they added?
Hi,
Please help me with one problem.
As soon as I push throttle, the speed of one of the engines start to increase . Even when I stop push the throttle, the speed of one of the engines grow. Sometimes it is motor 2 sometimes motor 3. Do you have idea where is the problem? This is my first drone which I build so I am green.
ua-cam.com/video/xBaefeQtA1c/v-deo.html
@@JoshuaBardwell Thank you for quick reply. I know your movie about similar problem. My looks different. I had propellers. I push the throttle just a little bit, when I back the throttle the engine stops but if i cross some point about 10-15% of throttle the motor start to speed up to 100% of power. Maybe is soldered something wrongly or there is short circuit.
No, it's the same thing. I don't think the motor will go to 100% personally. Are you sure? The quad flips over?
When I hear ground station I think of icky leslie parody on YT lmao
Rapid-fire were going to make a ground station too... But that did not make it thru the test fase
That looks promising, Joshua! Fantastic! 😃
If I could ask anything... Please, include the Eachine EV200D in the tests. And use the best antenna combination for each module. 😊
Cant wait
Hii Joshua may I know a good fpv racing and a freestyle frame under $50?? Thanks and happy flying!
imcrazy 69 rotor riot CL1
@@aldenhauser9555 its sold out man!! Anything else??
@@imcrazy695 tbs source one freestyle frame and tbs source two race frame. Both under $50
@@jlarson42 already have the source man...I'm looking for something similar!! Cheers and happy flying!
Strix screech FTW bro
WTF so Clear view have thrown in the towel for goggle modules and are crowing because their 2.0 ground station is marginally better than the RapidFire goggle module how big is the GS market compared to goggle modules. I can't see Immersion breaking a sweat over this probably laughing quite a bit though.
Its still not a goggle module. Thats why RF is king.
its 25mW vtx?
tbs fusion?
It's not for sale yet. If you know how to get one let me know.
@@JoshuaBardwell I don't xD and I heard it's about another 2wks until pre-orders so about another month until public release
Rapid fire looks better color wise. Range wise they are almost identical.
Clearview is supposed to win. Literally double the price, as well as a ground station
Still sucks. What do you think about DJI's new FPV system?
Am I the only one that missed where he tells us which one is Clearview and which one is rapid fire?
One of them has the word Clearview in the OSD.
@@JoshuaBardwell size and resolution on my phone doesn't allow me to see that. my guess is the picture on the right is Clearview cuz it seems to be clearer.
@@toddmarshall7573 lol rapidfire on right bro it has long black rssi bars
not even close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Hypetrain starts to roll again ...
Just go 1.2ghz
True d lol...jk. remember that huge blue 6 antenna diversity you reviewed like 2 yrs ago? Where the hell is that thing?
After all this time? Probably in the firepit. 😂
Or it has been used to hold clothes or something.
@@MCsCreations lol
Just from this small test I would say rapid fire is still the champ. A ground station at a cost of close to $300 vs a module at about half the cost that performed roughly the same? 🤔 no brainer in my book. I think clearview needs to go back to the drawing board. With rapid fire being out there your gonna have to bring something truly exceptional to warrant a $300 price tag in todays market. It’s not 2017 anymore. Rapid fire has completely changed the game.
Clayton Fisher Not if you're flying long range over mountains or water it doesn't. The threat of one lost quad justifies the extra cost alone. For everyone else fair enough.
If you want the BEST, id go with a connex setup, expensive but it is DAMN good.
RAPIDFIRE WINS ANYWAY ON THE PRICE POINT
Anybody want to buy a Clearview goggle module?
I do. I don't trust the rapidfire dropping out on me and losing lock like in this video :/
Vs OWLRX please :)
All coming soon. I got access to a big livestock auditorium type building next week. I'm gonna take them ALL out and pound them.
@@JoshuaBardwell yes.. because owlrx is awesome. I want to see it against all others rx
First lol
Grenadit FPV no you’re first
Who cares. For what it might be 5% better I would never pay double, use an external groundstation and support a shitty company with next to no customer service.
Oh and all that with Fusion Module around the corner which will be a complete game changer with even better picture and ground generated OSD
Actually, it's way more than 5% better. The range can be as much as 2 to 1 better
Im with you guy's iftron got my money the 1st time deposit could have got it back. BUT hey i have rapidfires couldnt be happier. Ones original 1st batch no problems with any quads ive flown. 2nd a yr and half newer amazing product. I let iftron keep my money/ deposit and well there test of time ehhgggggg. Wont ever support again.
But it's a module vs a ground station. Who would want a ground station these days? Even if it was slightly better it's still has none of the benefits of a module.
It has bluetooth. Rapidfire doesnt.
Dale Pattison If you fly long range in locations where you lose your quad if you crash the extra 5% is worth the cost. Obviously not for everyone but there's a market for it.
@@Ryanfriedman96 I cannot think of single situation where I thought. Wow I wish my module had Bluetooth.....
@@Skankhunt-42- Bluetooth opens up a world of capabilities for connectivity. It could talk to a crossfire to sync with smart audio. You can change settings from your phone. You can have different profiles. Its the same reason crossfire has BT. The same reason some opentx radios have BT. The same reason flight controllers have BT dongles.
@@Ryanfriedman96 but why would you want to change settings from your phone? Take off your goggles, pick up your phone, open an app, turn Bluetooth on, what for it to connect etc. Takes way too long. That's what smart audio is for. And modules have osd in your goggles to do all these things. Even if I wasn't flying and at home it's just as easy to plug it straight into a PC. I don't understand where the benefit is?
Twice as much,?? should be alot better . we shall see ..
2nd! Why’d ya post during bots stream
I just post whenever I have content ready.
@@JoshuaBardwell how dare you!
because he needs 200 bucks to get to Atlanta!
Joshua Bardwell LoL now I need 2 screens to watch both