V8 Diesel Cummins V504C 210
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2017
- Engine Build 28 December 1972 at Darlington Operations UK
This is the first start in years, and the first start while mine.
This Engine was originally used to power an Ingersoll Rand Air Compressor
As new i produced 210 Hp @ 3300 rpm
Economy.
I paid about a thousand dollars for the whole compressor and engine at a scrapyard. After parting it up and selling various parts, I ended having paid ~500 dollars for this Cummins engine.
I have not rebuild it.
What I have done after freeing the engine from the compressor is:
Building a stand for it with batteries, fuel cell and wiring, easy moveable with a pallet lifter.
Pressure washed it with steam.
Repaired the starter with a new rotor and adjusted the solenoids.
Painted the engine and stand squirrel grey.
Fixed a diesel leak at the governor shaft.
Mounted an expansion tank for cooling water. There is no radiator, but the engine circulates water with anticorrosive, giving it a runtime for about a half an hour. - Авто та транспорт
Brings back memories of truck driving....no not mine, I had the damn Detroit 60...no, it seemed like I always found the spot in the truck stop next to the bull hauler with the 6 inch straight piped V8 idling all night, sounding like someone doing a constant drum roll on a empty 55 gallon drum with two crankshafts all night long while I'm trying to sleep...LOL
Aint it a wonderful sound. With an unmuffled ThermoKing on the other side set on continuous. Those were the days.
That's why when I used to drive truck, I always parked on the back row and pulled straight in. I left later in the morning when most were gone-so easy to back out of the spot. Made for peaceful, quiet sleep.
What do you mean two crankshafts
Lot of haters on here, today I bought my dads truck back after 31 years, it had the 504c fitted in 82, that truck has worked and we worked since, the current owner hasn't serviced it in years, but when we fired it up today, it's as strong as day 1, damn good old engine if you ask me.
These Cummins V8 210 engines were widely used here in Colombia in interstate buses in Colombia in the 80s, most of them Dodge P900 ones. Today, they all dissapeared :( Great sound, great memories! Thanks for this nice video! :D
The people who say you shouldn't use ether on diesel engines, must not have any experience on diesel engines from the 1950s and 60s and 70s. If you live in a cold climate you wouldn't have started those engines without it! A lot of trucks had ether injectors on them back then! Most of these people commenting have never drove anything that had compression releases on them and you still had to use ether to get them running! Even the old Cats with compression releases and pony motors you still had to give them a shot of ether to get them started when it was cold!
We own a D-2 Cat with a pony but I don't think there ever was a truck engine with one. The pony motor is more work to keep running than the main engine.
Alright and now we put this litlle Beast in a Camaro Z28 XD
And the camaro will be the new monster camaro ever man.
the engine you are looking at weighs 1965 Ib's. dry!
@@jackrichards1863 I don't see what the issue is 😁
I worked at a Cummins dealer back in the early 70's. I rebuilt, and repaired so many of those bloody things. Head gaskets that's what I remember.
Worst of all 903's when they turbo'd them. Nothing but trouble. Best Cummins in my opinion was the NH 250. Keep it simple stupid.
George Renton i agree with you 100%. The 903 was not even worth opening the shop manual for when you rebuild them! Headgaskets you almost had in your backpocket.
Yo maneje un 210 en los 80s y nunca arrancaba sin ether,y si los acoplabas con buenas transmisiones y diferenciales,eran una chulada
cummins V504C 210 v8 + Plymouth Roadrunner = one badass muscle car.
I started my commercial trucking carrier in1959 after four years as a heavy equipment operator under the employ of Uncle Sam. I learned early on the benefit of ether to assist in starting diesel engines. Throughout my 43 + years as an owner operator , a can of ether was always in my cab, no matter what engine I had at the time. It always worked with no after effects.
I saw a V6 Cummins engine put into an old humongous Chrysler Imperial many years ago, looked like this engine but a V6. Guy built it back in the early 70s when the oil prices went up and it had like 250K miles on it, still ran great, had some rust issues. I heard later that the old guy passed on and they junked it out. Sad, would have made a great resto project. In the UK they have Bentleys and Jags with Gardner diesels. I think that would be really cool, the gardner is a very pretty engine, looks like a steampunk Offenhauser.
Yep, that was a 378 V6. The 504 and 555 V8 and 378 V6 were called the small vee engine series at Cummins and had the designation of VIM and VIN. They were replaced with the C8.3 and B5.9 inline 6 engines in the early 80's.
Another fan of the starter grinding club.
U. S. Army 5 ton and deuce and a half trucks had ether injection to help them start in cold weather. Those engines and truck were around along time before being replaced by FMTVs.
In New Zealand 1970s we used this engine in the Ford d1000 truck running at 40 tones gross had to scream the hell out of them 3000 rpm and splt shift every gear with the 2 speed diff to get any power out of them but they took everything we though at them
you're fuel left pump is leaking back to tank after you shutting it off, that's why everytime you try to started after a while been off won't kik on fast!!! specially mechanical fuel pump!! good luck
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Was the 504 cu in also done in a de-rated version? In Australia, there was a V8-185, would this have been the 504, or was there a smaller capacity V8 in addition to the 504?
This is awesome! Love the sound of it!
I can remember the Ford D1000 trucks in the 1960's fitted with these engines, sounded amazing !
WHAT I REMEMBER was not sales success the perkins v 8 sold better
I had a D1000 with a C504 6wheeler towed a 2axle trailer with it
Nice video, I haven't seen an old v8 Cummins in a long time. A long time ago I worked at a truck fleet we had about 30 555 and vt903 Cummins in 28 ft straight jobs, cabover and conventional Diamond Reos, a few Whites. Powerful, torque engines. I enjoyed watching and I subscribed, thanks.
Nice little power plant. I've started diesels with ether for 50 plus years with out any damage.
You don't run them on it, it's a stating aid.
The 504's & 903's smoke like a fucking forest fire until they warm up, we used to call them the triple-F. This one looked like it was cleaning up at the end of the video.
We got a couple of these for use in semi tractors in the '70's. They ran hard but they didn't seem to have a fuel cut off and you could just rev and rev those things. They didn't last long and were always in the shop till they got replaced. They were fun to drive considering the other options of the day.
Poderoso motor.Hermoso sonido y agradable a la vista CUMMINS V8 LO MAXIMO.
This was the competition engine for the cat 3208
This looks like of of the very first V504C210’s with a VS governor on a DRC-365 portable compressor. We handled hundreds of these and never ever used ether. Suggest you use a small torch not too near the air intake manifold to warm up the intake air. Otherwise you’ll lose this beautiful engine from Darlington.
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That is a good suggestion that not many people would have thought to do. But, ether, in small amounts doesn't harm it, if the engine needs it. Many diesels from that era came from the factory with ether injection for starting.
In the comments, the owner said he knows it needs a rebuild, but can't afford it.
Man that thing sounds awesome!
They used to put those 555’s and 504’s in off road construction equipment in just about everything back in the late 70s early 80s all of them smoked at start up and would only run about a year between overhauls
Sweet man nice work
V-504, V 378, V555, V903 all were decent engines if used on constant RPM/load applications
If it wont start without ether ,there are other issues, compression probs, fuel issues or incorrect timing .
I love Cummins ..by my own experience like driver truck ... cheers
Little sniff never hurt anyone!!!!!
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Reminds me of the days of repairing bradleys
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While cranking the engine half open the throttle and let it close. Then the engine should fire without using ether or any starter fluid.
In all my years involved with diesel engines in numerous applications I would have to say that as far a V-8's go there has been very few successful endeavor's in that design. The only exception I can think of that I had anything to do with would be the Duramax which is a Isuzu product.
Rod Parkinson Mack E9
preston johnson similar to most all V-8's, where is it today ?? Because of my experience primarily in the truck and transportation industry and the fact that that is where the majority of diesel engines are in service, the measure of success is the longevity of a particular design and without being long winded about it examples would be Cummins, Caterpillar, Detroit 60 series as well as Mack all being 6 in lines.
V8 diesels seem very common around the world Mitsubishi has one Nissan and Toyota but Nissan is UD and Toyota is Hino tricks
If you tell a GMC or a Chevy owner there truck has a Isuzu motor in them they will get Mad !!
Only thing I like about the v8 diesels is the sound they make none will last like a in line six
t444e are indestructible......
western star truck they did have an issue with oil pumps but around 200k miles it was mostly from wear but if you don't fix it will take out your injectors same set up with VT365
t444e injectors is far superior than vt365
We had a couple 3408 Cats in Freightliner Powerliners in the 1970's that were powerful, had terrific hydraulic Retarders and were reliable. Sounded great with just an exhaust can with twin stacks.
nice video.
In the early 70's a company called Ohio Fast Freight had a bunch of Mack F models with 903's. They sounded more like agas engine than diesel.
In the 70's, Schneider Transport used 903 Cummins V8's -- they did about 330 hp., they performed a lot better than the fuel squeezer 290 Cummins they started ordering after that.
I love the sound of a Cummings
that starter has got to be hot.
carb cleaner does not harm the engine and works just as well
WD-40
I love the sound of it
Brian Coville It’s Cummins
great engineering, brute power sound
compact and formidable
excellent option
and
quite sure
very reliable, durable and excellent workhorse
Great!
Not one of the more reliable Cummins engines. They were under square making considerably less torque than the competition of the time, and they had particularly weak valve trains that needed frequent rebuilds. The larger displacement engines in the lineup didn't have the same problems to as large of a degree, but they also had a longer stroke.
The mirror image N’s come from pattern letters for core boxes, in the foundry. Someone in the pattern shop grabbed mirrored ones when the regulars ran out. Same with the 1 for I. This happens all the time on the foundry floor. OEM’s are WAY more particular about partmarking these days. Now it’s Specd’ type and size and location. Wouldn’t pass through QC dept. anymore.
Ike fun. And i always love how people like you never answer questions .. i have my share work on the old cummins like the 504, 903 and old J and L. And my 30+ years i have collected durring my 48 year life. But still you havnt answer my question. But maybe your answer will revelle your diesel experince😊 ...
Andreas Kuzmenko 903 was some fucking beast buddy
Nice, thank you
powerfull sound :v i love v8
I have a 1980’s Mercedes with at OM402 engine (V8). It had cold start issues like that’s s would only start up with ether. I put a check valve in the pick up line from the fuel tank and it starts like a beast now, just like the day I rolled out of the factory. Put your foot to the floor crank her and she fires up on the first compression stroke. Might be worth trying it’s only cost me $30Aus
Philop,the fuel line may have air and if the fuel tanko down,,until the fuel line go full,it is common. I had the same issue few years ago. with a 6 cylinder Cummins I put a retain ball valve in the fuel line tank and the engins started quicly. the engine was rented,i used him 15 days.
Tremenda máquina esa, de las mejores.
Felix Medrano hola puedes contactarme por favor yo no sé nada sobre ese motor al parecer tu si, necesito que alguien me ayude bcon ese tipo de motor
Nice. Typical Cummins lope when cold.
bad cold start.....but great work from your side. and it has a very good sound!
Rebuild kits for Cummins now all over the internet for quite cheap. That is a nice big "generator" on the first engine.
I've never been a big fan of Cummins engines. Owned an L-10 in a truck years ago, it was a dog. Smoked badly until it was hot and had no low end torque. Worked with some of the KTA engines on generator sets, not as reliable as the old Detroits or Cats.
Me either and I've been around them in trucks and equipment. I'd rather have a 2-cycle that'd start than a smoke bomb. Old Macks and a 3406-B any day! An E-9 is un real!
Éstos motores hay que acelerarlos a 3300 RPM. Igual que los quinientillos. Algunas gentes embarrilaban la bomba para tener más fuerza pero gastaban mucho diésel, o sea desperdician.
Diesel engine sound 🔥🔥
Maybe install an inlet air heater to help with the start up, seems like there would be a few 6.4s laying around somewhere
Love to shoehorn that in my pickup
210 hp a nivel del oceano
1,18 what is glow plugs?
Morgan Ruegsegger,sorry to burst your bubble friend but a Gardner would run backwards and it was a 4stroke diesel,it would not Rev but would idle over sucking up the exhaust and blow exhaust out of the air cleaner also there was no oil pressure because the pump was returning oil to the sump,another engine the Commer 2stroke with no valves would also run backwards until Commer fitted a devise on the fuel pump to stop it happening,don't know about Detroits.
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great engine
903 is still being made for military. Bradley tank.
damn pain in the butt to work on too ,, i have a VT903 cummins in a large Steiger tractor , i friggin hate the thing
soon as I find a suitable replacement engine it's going BYE BYE , only 6500 hours and it eats oil like mad usually 1 quart every 8 hours ,,,i have a early 1970s 1066 IH tractor with 16000 hours and it still doesn't use oil
Cummins ISM would be a good replacement.
my problem is I don't want to make it electronic ,, this is a tractor from 1977 it predates electronic anything,my other steiger is powered by an 8V-71 detroit , i love it but it's horrendously noisy
it may get changed to a cat if i can find one that isn't junk ,although changing to a newer engine has it's benefits too like parts availability
I think he bought it just to hear an watch it run. good job on the work tho good stuff.
You're absolutely right.
I would do the same
The reason you would have to use ether is low compression. Ether ignites with much lower compression than diesel. That is what creates the knock when using it in a could engine. In a fresh engine it should start up easy in higher temps. Is there a lot of blow by? Open oil fill tube does it have pressure? If no could be an issue with Injection Pump, or injectors as well.
Hello MJ P,
Thank you for your comment.
Actually my focus is now turned at: air in the injection pump. I have recently noticed that air is entering the diesel feedline from the pump side, some hours after running the engine. I saw a few bubbles exit the pump into the hose (the hose is transparant)
The pump is not leaking diesel out, but might leak air in, when not running.
I will test that by hanging a small container above the pump with diesel, instead as now below the engine. That way there will always be a positive diesel pressure on the pump and air should not enter when the engine is not running.Maybe the engine will start without ether then - after a run or two, to remove trapped air.As for blowby, i dont think that it is scary bad on this engine. I have had diesel cars that were blowing more from the breather tube than this engine does. At 1:42 you can see my scientific analyse of blowby gasses. :o)
That said, the engine is now 45 years old and it might blow more gasses than i realise.Small air leaks in diesel system may really mess up injection timing at startups until air is bleed out.
It may be cheap to fix, so i will definitely try it next time i get around the the engine.
not sure if you fixed it but from what I see you probably need a rebuild, lol, here is why diesel ignite fuel through heat from compression thats it, now ether or gas will combust easier at lower compression, Once you get it running it generates enough heat to keep running, New rings (sleeves) a head job posibly injectors.. You have new motor REBUILD TIME!
Raven4122
In the comments, he explains that he knows it needs a rebuild, but the parts are not available in Denmark where he lives. A rebuild is also way outside his budget. He said that it only gets run when he and his buddies want to hear it for a few minutes.
He did what he has done with it, just to tinker, like so many of us men do. Sometimes, we do stuff just because we can. I say, "good for him".
quiero saber como reparan el motor cummis v504c210
Where do I buy one of these motors??????
Bonita humadera nice.
sounds like a detroit
Este motor me gusta mas que mi vieja
Took 3 days to start the first time? ........then wouldn't start without dope? ........smoked like a chimney?
Yup that's a V8 Cummins from the 70's, and IIRC they used oil like it was going out of fashion.
Ether baby. Needs a refresh
On glow plug engines I always use half the can of ether combined with oxygen enrichment also when real cold I recommend that to all diesel engine owner's half a can and about a half second blast from one of those oxygen boost bottles you get for hiking of CVS. (Disclaimer this is for comical entertainment purposes only DO NOT try at home. SERIOUS INJURIES, ACTUALLY FATAL INJURIES WILL BE A RESULT OF THIS METHOD!) LOL. LOL
Usually fuel injector pump causes surging.
Never new Cummins made v8 always been seeing 5.9 or maybe marine Cummins but the sound good
shit they made a ton of V8s
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Check the valve clearance
Injector tips burned up. This is what happens when you use ether all the time.
Trevlig video. Ser inte riktigt ut som om cylindervinkeln är 90 grader? Men jag kan noll och ingenting om Cumminsmotorer.
I use to work on these Cummins V8s in the sixties,they were fitted in Dodge and Ford here in the UK and I can confirm that this engine is absolute shite,constant head gasket problems,fuelling problems starting in cold weather was awful it just went on and on,Perkins V8 were no better fitted in Ford,Seddon and Dodge end the AEC was another disaster along with the Deutz V8 air cooled.V8s in Britain were a disaster until Scania came along and still the best today.
Texaco had a fleet of F-950 Fords with motors like this--only they could afford the repairs. You pulled a grade---the pistons and cylinders heated and expanded, you go over the top of the hill and go downhill as the shutters opened. The cooler water shrunk the liners--but the pistons were expanded still. Ooops--there went all the sleeves out the stack---along with smoke and water and oil. Bout 50,000 miles is all one could expect on one of their tankers before a new engine required.
The reason it starts so hard is air in the fuel lines from him changing tanks its gunna happen on any test start of a diesel engine because hes hooking it up dry and air+air = air, air+fuel=combustion and every time u see him start it notice the fuel tank is different
wrong
Best used as stationary engines, generators, irrigation.
Was a pig in trucks.
it works well in a 1ton
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My friends I’ve been building engines for years and if that’s a rebuild engine and you have a start it with either start over again you haven’t done something right and that’s just being honest you should never have to use either on a freshly rebuilt diesel start with your timing but I can pretty much guarantee you right now I live in Canada that engine would never start up here no matter how much Either you used on it i’m not a hater I’m just being honest with you but I’ve been building engines for 30 years
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merctr2 and thank you for your comment.I have updated the description to the video in reply to your comment.
Never built a diesel then.
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ike fun i’m going to have to disagree with you on that if the compression is perfect The timing is right on there’s no reason why those engines will my fire i’m well where of old diesel engines we have old tractors we never use starting fluid ever we have an old cat 3116 that will start -20 not plugged in no starting fluid 3208 cat Will start without starting fluid every time it’s got over 9000 hours on it I disagree we also have a Perkins V-8 starting no fluid and will start and -20 and an old V6 Detroit screaming six cylinder starts every time
ike fun I disagree with you again I got 2 DT466 international engines that start with no fluid and 7.3 in ford F250s and I know that engine well because I rebuild them if your glow plugs are working correctly and your grid heater they will start every time in -10 and are old international binder with the in-line six international starts with no issue
Hi that engine needs it's injectors servicing
I worked for a Cummins dealer when those things were on the market and I can tell you that was one of their bigger brain farts of the era, the factory had us swapping them out on policy warranty for the not much better V-8 555. Before the V-8 210 was the biggest travesty being the V-8 185.
What was the problem with the V8 210?
pipedane it's been many years, back in the early 70's but they had problems with head gaskets leaking and oil consumption. They were a little less problematic in a Marine application but then in a pleasure craft they weren't putting in long hours. In my area they were used extensively in mixer, garbage and gravel trucks and they didn't fair well.
Hi Rod,
Based on your comment that the 210 is fairly unreliable, I think mine is even more enjoyable now since it has survived for over 40 years in service.Thank you for your comments. I really appreciate any info on this old engine
Martin
Whay could be the problem fuel is mixing on engine oil?
Split injector cup -- Injector camshaft lobe failed
Addicted to Ether lol
Funny! Its inside and still addicted to either.
Alguien q pueda ayudarme nesesito saber como calibrar el motor v504c osea ajuste delas valbulas e inyector si pueeen pasar la calibrasion
5:25.... And here I was thinking we shared a common alphabet with the Brits. Apparently not hahahaha.
Ether can be risky; I've been warned specicficly not to use glow plugs and ether together on my 6.2 Detroit diesel. Try a hairdryer or heatgun right down the intake, block heater, etcetera.
Cummins dont have glow plugs. No glow plugs means a snuff from the ether bunny does fuck all to the engine
Use we 40 instead of either
whoever rebuilt it needs to start again.......
And adammt69 should read the discription before commenting ;o)
dumbass
Is this a crossplane crank? Sounds like one
No normal 90 degree crank.
Yes it would be a cross plane
Ether will shorten the life span of that smokin engine, looks like it needs a rebuild. Nice simple restoration. It's good to preserve an older cummins like this even if most people didn't like them. 😏
ike fun I'm an idiot.....thanks for you measured non offensive reply.
ike fun You are obviously a highly educated and very intellectual human being when one reads your choice of words so I won't insult your intelligence by being verbally offensive or insulting to you since the origin of this conversation was a smoking engine. Good day to you sir.
even after a full rebuild,it will still need ether to start it.
Nice . But that was one of Cummins worst engines , they were prone to self destruct. We went through quite a few of them . I remember one of the 140v6 s let go at 1800 rpm, that there was literally nothing to save on it broke one head ,hole through both sides of the block intake broke in two crankshaft bent etc.
I remember the 555 had a reputation for breaking crankshaft. Torsional vibration problems.
Porque no enciende a la primera?
what you putting it in
paul york wd40
Those things are just like the blame 903's years ago ..No power and wont pull a greased string out of a cats ass.
Wow, lots of misinformed commenters about ether and diesels..... Stop relying on old wives-tales people.
ic he has pulled the engine out of one of those new nissan titan xd, lol
Duly noted and corrected