This video was fantastic. I love how it embraced the philosophical implications. I thought Scott's comments at the end about the future of 3D printing rockets were very interesting. Man, what a great video.
I love the idea. I've been watching 3D printing grow to serious industry for a while now, but haven't seen something this ambitious. However, there is something that may need to be considered and that is the standardized testing that is typically performed on equipment like this before it is considered flight/space worthy. Currently, Non-destructive testing (NDT) is performed using many techniques, all of which are designed to look for discontinuities on material surfaces or porosities in welds, etc. When things are 3D printed they are not formed or created in the same manner and so they may or may not have the same types of flaws that are found by modern methods searching for these flaws. I mean to say, it is hard to tell what types of imperfections or flaws we might see as the norm within 3D printing. It could be that the material is better in every way. There just needs to be more testing and research in these larger scale things that 3D printers can create.
I hear you loud and clear. The imperfections within the material are something that has to prove itself. Years ago I did design work for ASME Code VIII pressure vessels. We tested Japanese flanged and dished heads for the radius ends of the vessels. The Japanese steel of the day had a problem with voids that arose when forming those heads. Big failure. But testing had to be done. 2 years later Japanese steel was higher quality than from U.S. Steel Corp. But the welding process used here is so controlled, my guess is that testing will give great results. Small welds have very much less wattage than heavier welds. I also see this as eliminating 'stress risers', which are serious failure points if they exist. All metal products start out as molten. That used to be in like Bessemer furnaces. Melting it as it is built is so effing cool. Removing all the machining and forming steps is a quantum leap in manufacturing slash assembly. Removing the individual parts and cutting down on how many - that is absolute genius, whatever company does it. I am retired now, but if I were 25 or 35, this is a company I would want to work with. The amount of creativity they get to do would have suited me perfectly. limi
3d printing plastic is is now affordable to any one, the Positron v3 is like $90 more precise that almost any non resin 3d printer and it can FOLD the thing can fold into a shape smaller than a laptop adding on to that is is among the fastest plastic 3d printers ever.
I do inspections for the refineries. CWI and various API's stuff like this won't get x-rays. They'll end up doing UT (Ultrasound testing) due to how big it is. With a UT they can see any imperfections in the metal without using dinosaur sized film for X-ray. I'm pretty sure they check PT (Penatration testing) and before doing the UT. Interesting how simple this process is. I'm pretty sure porosity can be mitigated in a room filled with argon gas to keep the filler clean.
@@dethtour I can't imagine the PT process for something this huge, but UT has come so far that it would likely be very easy. The problem I'm seeing now is that they talked about wanting to have this technology on Mars to make equipment there. I know they want to create buildings and structures, which arguably would not need much NDT, but if they are planning on creating anything space worthy while on Mars then there may be issues with that. The only way is if they created facilities large enough like hangars to house the equipment and have atmosphere. UT might be best without atmosphere, but I haven't really ever thought about that before. Regardless, there still is atmosphere on Mars just not much of it. Gotta wonder tho, if the low oxygen and no water environment will be a large enough advantage to the equipment's prolonged use.
This is standard stuff in metal 3d printing - just here a lot of it is done with an actual welder. The 3D printed parts are also made larger so they can be heat treated and end up with dimensions that frequently are finish machined to proper size.
You can also check out resonance filtering in Klipper 3D printer software. It uses resonant frequency models of printhead at high accelerations to cancel ringing, thus enabling faster printing. Oh, and it's free software (free as in speech ;) )
@@korok2619 this is so freaking obvious, this could applied to fdm, ultra fast antiwarping printing, although I rather print scram jet parts at 4500C instead using classified solid state flame synthesis 3D printing using planetary ball milled nano composite metal-ceramic powder. Mentioned the 3D printing idea to a post doc in 2018, couldn't talk about his DoD research, but my creativity isn't classified and I'm an anarchist IDK what they did but I think my approach has a chance of succeeding .
Seriously, the fact that they modeled thing so well that they intentionally print it "wrong" so that when it warps it will be exactly how they want it is really *really* impressive.
As a welding student - im curious how they avoid problems with oxide layer inconsistencies seeing as its aluminum welding. I guess maybe the printer runs cleaning passes before depositing metal?
As a pressure vessel inspector, I have serious doubts that that tank can handle 50psi of pressure. All it would take is one microscopic flaw in one of the welds would cause catastrophic failure. Welded metal air cooled as it is in this video is way weaker than forged or rolled metal. I would like to see the pressure testresults.
@@Jerichoswa11 thats true, but i think it has potential for inclusions regardless unless the printer has some sort of precleaning action prior to adding filler
@@JoshGariepy agree, if they did the welding in a controlled chamber filled with a gas maybe. This is just a room at ambient temperature. Molten metal that cools at room temperature inherently cracks, when welding, preheating is used and post heating to align the grains in the welds. My bet there is cracks all through these welds.
Congrats Relativity on your successful Terran 1 launch tonight. So cool to have known so much from this video while I was watching the launch with my coworkers.
Terran1 failed and they will not make any more Terran1 rockets and no more 3D printed tanks. TerranR will be another 1 stage only reusable rocket with some 3D printed parts which will be launched somewhen in 2027. So I wouldn't say it is successful.
@johnvonludd1738 Ima introduce the starship argument; Terran 1 was quite successful since its goal is MAXQ because they wanted to prove its structural integrity. Terran R was only skipped to because of the success of 1.
Yes... great video... but I hate that Derek is going real low on his sponsors :~-( I don't think any amount of money is worth supporting some of the last ones.
I like what Scott Manley said about their developing 3D metal printing capabilities as a solid contribution and business even if they don't make it as a rocket company. I usually just groan when some glassy eyed kid starts talking about 3D printing - because they never talk about material properties or metallurgy. These guys do. That is very very cool.
IMHO they definitely should partner with spacex (not merge), SpaceX will have better rockets in the short term (more advanced on reusability), but the direction they are taking here is better for building the Mars base and the long term scaling up of Earth Mars transit.
@@christophejamoye8394 I doubt they want to seeing as how the two founders each previously worked for a rocket company, Spacex and Blue Origin, and decided that neither was innovating enough so they quit and started their own company.
Well.... it worked!!!! I just watched their launch video and it was amazing! To get through Max Q and first stage separation on their first try with a 3d printed rocket is just nuts. I heard about Relativity for the first time here and was really skeptical about it working, but I'm so glad it did.
Terran1 failed and they will not make any more Terran1 rockets and no more 3D printed tanks. TerranR will be another 1 stage only reusable rocket with some 3D printed parts which will be launched somewhen in 2027. So I wouldn't say it is successful.
@Erina Isshu I'm not against failing, I'm against using wrong ways to do something and trying to convince everyone that it's the best way just to give up on it later and start making things like everyone else.
@@johnvonludd1738 He said "smooth surface is same as rough aerodynamically" i wouldnt let him near anything technical if thats an example of his intelligence! I hate spoilt rich kids with a vengeance, wastes of oxygen. Bout time we gave the best opportunity to poor people. The rich can be eduated to enjoy their inheritance and not be greedy and the poor can be taught to better themselves for their kids future. The current system is broken the rich bend evry rule law and tax in their favour as well as take all the decent jobs because it dont matter how clever or good you are its about being born rich enough and next its who do you know so again the rich employ and help their rich mates dont matter theres a faster better harder working option cos sadly wev let democracy totally fail and none of that matters anymore
Whenever I try 3D printing rockets they end up smashed into pieces in the Aussie outback. Guess the secret ingredient was GIANT LASERS! Thanks for the video Derek!
@cnmmd qiuoo Not enough Printer Spools The "we regularily joke that we need to build additional Pilons" just got me. The Final rocket will for sure be called a Carrier. Or OR Gantrithor (Tasadar's Carrier)
When I first heard of 3d printing, one of my first thoughts was that in the future you could stick a welder on a robot arm and 3d print metal. Really cool to see a way more sophisticated iteration of that idea being used to 3d print a freaking rocket.
And you know what the scary thing is - provided we don't wind up wiping ourselves out or what not: in a hundred years or less - this sort of "revolutionary" technology will be relegated to child's play. I mean just look at the Internet and computers - they were originally devised for advanced means and yet these days kids can do things with them that the original creators would never have imagined.
Don't care what he's building, flying to Jupiter or whatever, the fact that he's worked out the distortion into the weldment has got me sold. Nice job.
@@gnatdagnat Rocket scientists who understand physics at a level so unbelievably high above our heads In seriousness I think material scientists would hold the crown on that achievement
I showed this video to my dad who have been working all his life at one of Russian Rocket assemble plant until recent retirement. He was one of leading engineers and knows thing or two about rocket stuff. At first he doubted about 3d-printing from scratch such complex structure like spacecraft but when I translated all mentioned solutions for different issues he got truly amazed by the progress of such technology. He even forget for a moment all his anti-usa biases raised by soviet and Russian propaganda and had said - "This is our future. Hope, they gonna do the best for humanity."
@@Solid_Snake99 -- Why wouldn't they be when you have an entire political party and all the media in the West constantly accusing Russia of being behind every election they dislike?
At a minimum, a company that can rapidly prototype large, complex, and precision parts is never going to run short of potential clients. As Scott said once you get to the point of mass producing parts the benefits of 3D printing get eaten away by dedicated tooling. But if they focus on the flexibility of 3D printing, they can pivot to fill a niche in basically any manufacturing industry.
They can pratically be the company that would handle almost all the prototyping of rockets in the industry. It would be unfeasable for any other company to start this kind of 3D printing factory for their testing from the ground up just for their own needs, especially when there's a company that exists, and is willing to create your machiened pieces with years of experience in the field.
also note that, just like this shell type fuel tank structure he's shown, really weird shaped metal parts are almost impossible automate with normal tools, so even during mass production, some parts will need to be 3d printed.
The aerodynamics of 3d printed parts are pretty surprising. Some experiments have shown that the texture forms a cushion of air that actually reduces friction.
Every now and then Derek brings something to UA-cam that just blows my mind. This is one of those times. There's so many little things here that just blows my mind. For example... I never would have considered what was stronger... traditional builds or 3D printed metal parts. Or that they have software that helps print a warped product so that it "warps" to straight. This is fascinating stuff.
Fasfan, One of the best comments here, imho: 'Course that's only because you agree with me... 😎. Seriously, I think you understood the video in a way that maybe 80++% of the people here didn't.
can we talk about the materials team developing better suited alloys for this task..? thats insane alone. the anti-warp algorithm is bananas. as a mech. e. major I am drooling over this.
@Rob Bannstrom sure the idea has been around, but there's a little bit of a difference between a CD case injection molded in one piece and a freaking rocket part made 1mm at a time. Lol
@9:05 loved hearing about the brazing. It’s not actual welding. The base metals don’t melt. The best steel bicycle frames are brazed. And it was neat to learn they use brazing to move liquid hydrogen.
@@cjbrenner13 I don't think you understand that rockets almost do nothing towards the environment because of the fuel used. Cars are worse and even planes. The hydrogen fuel is not actually bad.
@@kdog__ it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than other fuel sources. If you have a theory, research it before you comment opinions. Burning anything - in massive quantities depletes O2 - thats just that way it works.
The mathematics around that 3D printing must be really something. It is amazing that they can account for the cooling of the structure as they print it. Awesome video, I really enjoyed.
@@eabradley1108 definitely an odd duck. If he didn’t have a rocket factory behind him in these shots, I’d think he was blowing smoke about half of it. And maybe he is. Some of the things he said and tried explaining just didn’t come across right.
Exactly, the nervousness and some vague stuff he said, exactly like a young Elon. He will be successful. To achieve the unimaginable, you have to believe in yourself even if you have to, but don't know all the answers to questions relevant to reach your goal.
@@CarbonRevo91 He said the unevenness of the surface adds "only 5-10% more weight" which is OK. Bruh, how in the world is 5-10% additional weight commercially acceptable? He just brushed it off as no biggie. LOL, that's not how it works!
I'm really curious about how they got that working anyways. It would surely be helpful on regular FDMs, and it'd definitely reduce the incidence of failed prints. Maybe there's some kind of sensor keeping the nozzle a uniform distance from the material?
The thing about (home) 3D printing is that it can be incredibly frustrating if you expect it to be something you can just set up like a paper printer and you get perfect results right out of the gate. Honestly it can be so incredibly frustrating that I've wanted to throw in the towel. But now I'm printing full body armor for cosplay like Iron Man. In the end, the concept is roughly the same for how this rocket is 3D printed. Pretty incredible.
Haha yes. I bought a printer about 3-4 months ago but didn't have time to start printing. I wanted to print some items for my house's ceiling fan plumbing and I thought I'd just upload my GCODE and press PRINT . Nope. You have to tune the damn thing based on filament and other factors. I'm learning quickly. I've printed 2 functional items so far and I'm loving it. My goal is to add another printer because waiting for ~10hrs is painful
I've been wanting to get a 3D printer, but now you are scaring me. I do work in an office with a 3D printer and some skilled design engineers though, so maybe I can get some pro tips at work?
@@doulos5322 I recently got a kingroon kp3s, I made the mistake of not leveling it properly the first time, and I made a hole in the middle of the magnetic print bed. I want to add the sensor for auto leveling, but I'm not sure.
@@mortenrobinson5421 3D printers are really cool, and I think you should get one. I got the kingroon kp3s, which is relatively cheap. Make sure you learn how it works (basics, nothing too fancy). I usually print small models, and simple things though. Get one once you think your ready, and make sure you join help forums, or ask for help, because you will need it.
You got urself a new follower Relativity, really like the vibe and the direction you're going with. I believe manufacturing will be "printed" of some kind, master it and show the world how its done. Big thumbs up.
That wire and other factors make the total structural stress factors all over the surface on a micro scale that they can't find. Slag inside not easy to find. Like the sheet metal press molded auto body .. the stress factors are many and randomly happening on the microscopic surfaces that are hard the find and causes the whole thing to be no good.
@viiont eooiy They could machine down the outside if at some point it made sense to do so. I guess ultimately, they'll focus on optimising other bottlenecks until that one arises as the main one.
They all talk as if going to mars was a project. But how many of these people would actually live there ? Probably none ... Who wants to go there, let me know
They have three patents for machine learning systems for improving the print quality. No heated build platform, no heating chamber. This is a gamechanger.
You have definitely set the bar for the quality of your videos in recent 5 - 7 videos. Every video is just an adventure and literally makes people ponder about the topics you discuss for like a week or so. For most of the science channels I watch, I would forget about it most likely in a day or so. I don't know if it's teaching or presentation skills but the topics you discuss have the highest retention rate.
@@Butterkekskrumel That's true but there's so much to take away from the video, you will probably be left wondering how cool the technology is and what other areas this can be used and what the future will look like for the rocket industry or even the CAD insutry as a whole.
To be fair, the point of science has always been to understand more so we can make life easier. If we have a proof of concept of such a rocket going to space with relatively normal expectations, we could cut the price of space missions in half, if not more. But what to do for all those rocket engineers? Focus more manpower on developing better 3D print systems, perfect the systems that have to go inside the rocket.
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I have been keeping up with the company and they had to attempts to launch the Terran 1 with another scheduled today. This is a great leap for proving what Additive manufacturing can do.
Love your description of 3-D printing as that thing you thought would be great but never get a result you're happy with. The beginning of that industry was dominated by start-ups that couldn't or wouldn't do the quality control needed to produce machines that actually worked as advertised. Lack of government or private lawsuits or arrests encouraged this.
Man it's so weird watching people like derek,scott,destin,mark grow old over the years before our eyes. What a time to be alive with such free information.
holy crap. soon as starcraft was mentioned i fell even in more love with this company and this man. let’s just hope zerg doesn’t attack us when we start to colonize on mars.
If they ever create a project to specifically deploy micro satellites I hope they name it ZergRush. Then StarLink would have to compete with ZergRush. :D
I love that this rocket scientist nerd threw on his black jacket, leather pants and flashy belt buckle and just owned it and acted like himself. He rocked it.
I think the key thing they’ve got here is that ability to iterate so rapidly. That could be a really exciting niche for them to fill - someone needs a better nozzle or a better tube or a better second stage, cryogenics, whatever - these guys get a contract to run through a whole bunch of algorithmically generated iterations on that item, then sell the designs to the larger companies so they can produce them at scale. Like Scott said, in the long run it becomes cheaper when you standardize manufacturing, but in the short term, developing incrementally better pieces for other companies with standardized manufacturing could really speed up this kind of Space Race 2.0 we’ve got going on right now. Super exciting stuff!
I mean I agree that standardized manufacturing is cheaper in long term but some parts are better suited to being created by 3d printers, such as the nozzles.
3d printing can also make parts that physically cannot be made any other way. That "scalloped" shaped tank would be a heat stress nightmare otherwise to cast or weld.
@@jellafella6957 Parts that don't need to be made in massive quantities could be cheaper printed anyway since the printers can make other stuff with little to no retooling. Depending on the scale the lower efficiency could be counteracted by the cheaper tooling and standardized parts.
By far the most impressive bit for me is the reverse warping of the rocket body models. Anyone who's done 3D printing of "large" objects knows how difficult it is to make the result match the model due to warping. I wonder if they could generalize their software for different materials and scales. A lot of people doing small-scale 3D printing would love to have that kind of ability.
This kind of software is becoming standard for laser powder bed fusion (metals and plastics) and it exists for some other methods like the wire feed system shown in the video. Autodesk, Concept Laser, and a number of other companies and university research groups have independently developed this tech.
For sure, metal is even worse than the plastics we're used to bc of the high temperature differentials and high expansion. It’s crazy that one section of the part is hundreds of degrees while another part is a bit over room temperature, you can only imagine the warping.
factoring in reverse warp to end up with a rocket body perfectly straight with a level of precision to less than that of a human hair? That is REALLY freaking cool wow those organic structures look beautiful
The amount of work and people you have long conversations with only to show highlights in the actual video of is truly astonishing man. Thanks for all the time and effort that you put in to each of your videos man
If we assume this rocket will be successful, the most amazing part of this project is not the scale of the printers, nor the "vision" of the start up CEO. It is the metallurgy engineers who figured out how to comply with all the loads and structural criteria while depositing material horizontally. As mentioned on the video, it is often said that 3D printed objects are weak on shear, but this man is telling us they figured a way to make it stronger through temperature control (I am impressed if that is true). Interesting that there were no "longerons" running at the length of the rocket, just the internal circular frames, do they carry bending loads on the skin or will they add something to stabilize later?
Its more than likley due to the use of metal and the over extrusion, metal has a cool characteristic of being very good at transferring energy heat and electricity so when you heat some parts up the other sections around it get very hot very quick and improve adhesion not to mention metal works differently on a more fundamental level think like cold welding where two parts can just spontaneously fuse which i would imagine helps here.
Yes I was thinking the same thing, I have some knowledge of metallurgy, and heat-treating processes , but if they can pull this off more power to them.
@@bestcreations4703 3D printed metal doesn't behave like standard welded parts traditionally. Whether using cintering and dust or these extrusion based printers, it's next to impossible to control the crystal structure which usually results in far more internal impurities and voids (can't remember the technical term it's been a few years since I researched this topic). This creates very brittle and non-heat resistant parts. Its why 3D printing has yet to be widely applied in so many industrial application; there currently does not exist a cost effective method of ensuring microstructural stability in the metal relative to traditional casting and manufacturing methods. Now if theyve actually figured something new out that's huge, but this is a very "I'll believe it when it makes it to space" situation as someone he's been around this manufacturing method.
If you've never played the game all of those references he made would just pass right over your head. Derek may be one of the many people who have never played or watched a game of Starcraft. I find watching multi-player games between professionals to be every bit as enjoyable as watching traditional sports but I get that most people won't feel the same.
Kudos to Tim Ellis for the nod to Starctaft. I wonder, indeed, if Derek von Veritasium knows what "a pylon" is, and why it we need to construct more of them ;)
Tim Ellis is one of the most enthusiastic, knowledgeable, and open rocket company founders I've ever seen. It's really cool to see him so excited about this process and the future of rocketry and humanity. Thanks Derek
@@Vanta1111 I literally just came here to say the same thing :D >1M subscribers is not small, but he *is* great and underrated, so I'm glad to see him here :)
And UV arc "eye" risks is scary...i got Arc-eye once and its a trip all right,waking up at 4Am unable to open my eyelids as they were fused together with congealed gunk,while feeling i had hot sharpsand in my eye sockets.. good times!! Cold milk eyebath was my only "relief" ,moral to the tale?... dont even be in the same room as a welder without glasses,i wasnt even looking at the Arc and still got my retina laser scarred from the side
@@Gianfranco_69 oh no! Yes! Arc-flash is very terrible! I've only ever had a very mild case of it, a friend of mine had a bad case of it and I spent the rest of the day helping him around because he couldn't see
I don't get why they don't call it automated welding instead of 3D printing... Are they worried welders will protest they're losing work to automation, or do they just like to piggyback onto plastic 3D welding hype?
Tim seemed to handwave away the 5-10% extra weight due to roughness as if it were nothing, but from what I know of rockets (which is admittedly very little), conserving weight is the most important factor when building a rocket. Does the rocket get sanded down before use or are they just eating the extra fuel cost as a necessary consequence of using 3D printing tech?
even if it is 10%, youd need 10 launches to lose a full other launch on cost, so it is not much, besides its a prototype, sanding it is not the way to go as you could oversand it and make it too weak, i think they seek to improve the 3d printing method to make it less rough, tackle the main thing, not the consequence, also if the whole rocket warps just a hair thickness distance from tip to bottom, thats already a win.
@@felipeaugusto6991 well if they have the machine and file that they used to make the parts, then it seems really possible to have an attachment of sorts to the arm be a sander after the printing is complete. I don't know anything about robotics so, its very possible I'm dumb and so is this idea.
Have to keep in mind that this is the bleeding edge of the technology. I have no doubt that if this becomes a viable solution that 10% will get engineered out just from commercial pressure.
@@manojlds the "You must construct additional pylons" is a well known Starcraft phrase. He was clearly referring to Starcraft there. but I think that Like you said, he probably said the phrase because it was called a Pylon in the first place and they have to build a lot of it.
Isn’t it just an awesome boom to world’s engineering to suddenly drop tools and see 3D printing take the short cut to making incredibly complicated items as one piece and with design improvements within months. This is where humanity gets to reach betterment for all and at a gallop. A very exciting time😳
It's great and not so great. Great for reducing manufacturing costs in the long-run and quickly building upon past iterations, not so great if you as a consumer want to fix something or start adding mods, kinda sounds like you're SOL. Especially when he mentioned there are certain forms which are only possible when 3d printed, that immediately makes me worried that it's nigh impossible to fix them if there's ever an issue. You use lose that modularity when you build everything in one go (technically layers but whatever). Having said that, the time and money savings for projects like these are still way worth it. I would be very curious to hear his opinion about rocket reusability if a certain section breaks; how do you approach repairing it, if possible in the first place?
@@yerpderp6800 The trade-off though, is that any person with access to a 3D printer and the necessary material only needs access to a 3D model of the part and it's theirs. It doesn't even need to be an official model, as long as the measurements are accurate any hobbyist could design one and put it on a schematics exchange.
@@alphagt62 "by removing politics"…are words I never thought I’d share with someone…I’ve needed compensation for those 4 yrs of America’s feeble mommy’s boy ruining our worlds modernity and 3D printing is "hold my beer" to everything in engineering🙂
Imagine having self-replicating printers... and after they double to 1000 after 10 generations of doubling, have them independently create "growable" solar collectors and and wind turbines to power themeselves to double even more and for our energy needs hmm
For that company being viable. They can do rapid prototyping of gigantic complex parts, not just for rockets. The advantage of 3D Printers is that they can print any shape, so they aren't limited to printing rockets. They could branch out to printing just about any kind of low volume metal structure that would take far longer to fabricate. I also see a lot of promise in their tech for creating scientific experiments and instruments. These are often very costly and often only serve a very limited purpose while having rather high complexity which causes design iteration to be a nightmare. So being able to bring down the cost and iteration time down is a huge boon.
Yeah, I'm bearish on how useful this will be for large scale rocket manufacturing. But this large scale 3d printing capability is very promising regardless, whether for rocket prototyping or for other industries.
@Bram Smits 3D printing big thing is just waste of energy especially if there is a way to mass manufacturing. Why waste energy because Ore/scrap > melted > metal wire > melted again with high energy laser > product. Compared to casting Ore/scrap > melted > casting. You can see 3D printing metal is just waste double or more of the energy. So trying mass produce big thing using 3D printing is waste of resource. 3D printing is the best at prototyping and small thing.
I wonder if they are looking to printing multi material yet. I know a few applications where doing something as simple as printing a basic copper ring or disk inside a solid aluminium or steel husk would be mind-blowing to be able to do as a one piece structure instead of having to machine and mate several parts.
The only times I ever watch a sponsor are at the end of a satisfying video like Veritasium's. Thank you for not awkwardly putting the sponsorship message in the middle of the video like other youtubers.
@@angrymario8259 You should. Unquestioning puff pieces like this should be described as what they are. This is an extremely one-sided advertisement video and it's pretty gross.
@@isgonrain And if this process was somehow being funded by government grants alone and not private industry it would suddenly make it educational and not an advertisement? Why is an anti-corporate npc patrolling UA-cam anyway, don't you have college campuses to hold signs at?
@@sirshrooma I'm not a big fan of fawning over "disruptive" tech companies who've yet to produce results (and are still on the prowl for venture capital) being advertised to a clueless public. Though you just unironically used "npc" in a UA-cam comment so you may be just the right mark for these guys. Might wanna sit this one out.
[Edit to add; whoosh, the cultural reference went right over my head. Either ignore the rest of my comment, or mock me gently. I can handle moderate amounts of shame.] -There isn't a significant- -problem with ice forming- -on an approximately cylindrical- -rocket. The ice simply falls off.- -Because of the shape,- -there isn't anything both important and fragile for it to hit.- -A stacked space shuttle- -did have critically important- -fragile tiles in the path of- -falling ice and insulation.-
@@TrollProductionsMC yeah but for these people it's not whether it's possible or not; it's more along how much time you are willing to spend (or can afford) to develop the algorithm
Those SC references had me going. I almost spit out my drink at "You must construct additional pylons!" Love these guys. You can tell the passion for this is love.
This guy loves his job. Heaps of positivity and enthusiasm. Most excellent.
Most excellent! *Hand guitar solo*
Tim Ellis is the cofounder and CEO.
ahh yes!
yeah if you started a rocket ship company i am sure you would show some positivity about it
that could be a PR move
Look at his smile as he talks about every single little step, mistake, success, finished pieces. You can tell he’s passionate about what he’s doing
must be nice being passionate about something
That's a business smile.
He kinda has to be, no?
Awesome guy and very clear to explain everything.
@@JavierChiappa If rocket science can be explained in simple terms, it might not be rocket science.
This video was fantastic. I love how it embraced the philosophical implications. I thought Scott's comments at the end about the future of 3D printing rockets were very interesting. Man, what a great video.
HI DESTIN!
YO DESTIN!
Waiting for something even cooler from you...
Destin's just shaking his head about the lack of Laminar flow over that bumpy rocket.
Heyyo Destin, awesome to see you here, id love if you did a video with these guys!!
I love the idea. I've been watching 3D printing grow to serious industry for a while now, but haven't seen something this ambitious. However, there is something that may need to be considered and that is the standardized testing that is typically performed on equipment like this before it is considered flight/space worthy. Currently, Non-destructive testing (NDT) is performed using many techniques, all of which are designed to look for discontinuities on material surfaces or porosities in welds, etc. When things are 3D printed they are not formed or created in the same manner and so they may or may not have the same types of flaws that are found by modern methods searching for these flaws. I mean to say, it is hard to tell what types of imperfections or flaws we might see as the norm within 3D printing. It could be that the material is better in every way. There just needs to be more testing and research in these larger scale things that 3D printers can create.
I hear you loud and clear. The imperfections within the material are something that has to prove itself. Years ago I did design work for ASME Code VIII pressure vessels. We tested Japanese flanged and dished heads for the radius ends of the vessels. The Japanese steel of the day had a problem with voids that arose when forming those heads. Big failure. But testing had to be done. 2 years later Japanese steel was higher quality than from U.S. Steel Corp.
But the welding process used here is so controlled, my guess is that testing will give great results. Small welds have very much less wattage than heavier welds. I also see this as eliminating 'stress risers', which are serious failure points if they exist.
All metal products start out as molten. That used to be in like Bessemer furnaces. Melting it as it is built is so effing cool. Removing all the machining and forming steps is a quantum leap in manufacturing slash assembly. Removing the individual parts and cutting down on how many - that is absolute genius, whatever company does it.
I am retired now, but if I were 25 or 35, this is a company I would want to work with. The amount of creativity they get to do would have suited me perfectly. limi
3d printing plastic is is now affordable to any one, the Positron v3 is like $90 more precise that almost any non resin 3d printer and it can FOLD the thing can fold into a shape smaller than a laptop adding on to that is is among the fastest plastic 3d printers ever.
Spray it with spot checker and x ray it
I do inspections for the refineries. CWI and various API's stuff like this won't get x-rays. They'll end up doing UT (Ultrasound testing) due to how big it is. With a UT they can see any imperfections in the metal without using dinosaur sized film for X-ray. I'm pretty sure they check PT (Penatration testing) and before doing the UT. Interesting how simple this process is. I'm pretty sure porosity can be mitigated in a room filled with argon gas to keep the filler clean.
@@dethtour I can't imagine the PT process for something this huge, but UT has come so far that it would likely be very easy. The problem I'm seeing now is that they talked about wanting to have this technology on Mars to make equipment there. I know they want to create buildings and structures, which arguably would not need much NDT, but if they are planning on creating anything space worthy while on Mars then there may be issues with that. The only way is if they created facilities large enough like hangars to house the equipment and have atmosphere. UT might be best without atmosphere, but I haven't really ever thought about that before. Regardless, there still is atmosphere on Mars just not much of it. Gotta wonder tho, if the low oxygen and no water environment will be a large enough advantage to the equipment's prolonged use.
This is quite the incredible company. I'm particularly impressed with their algorithm enabling them to print warped in order to cool straight.
This is the best comment in the comment section! Super impressed with Ellis and Relativity Space!
Yeah that's a huge deal.
This is standard stuff in metal 3d printing - just here a lot of it is done with an actual welder. The 3D printed parts are also made larger so they can be heat treated and end up with dimensions that frequently are finish machined to proper size.
I know this is pretty insane.
You can also check out resonance filtering in Klipper 3D printer software. It uses resonant frequency models of printhead at high accelerations to cancel ringing, thus enabling faster printing. Oh, and it's free software (free as in speech ;) )
As a hobby welder, this was really interesting. The fact they wrote their own software to compensate for warping so well blows me away.
there must be some hardcore AI engeneers at works there
@@korok2619 this is so freaking obvious, this could applied to fdm, ultra fast antiwarping printing, although I rather print scram jet parts at 4500C instead using classified solid state flame synthesis 3D printing using planetary ball milled nano composite metal-ceramic powder. Mentioned the 3D printing idea to a post doc in 2018, couldn't talk about his DoD research, but my creativity isn't classified and I'm an anarchist IDK what they did but I think my approach has a chance of succeeding .
Seriously, the fact that they modeled thing so well that they intentionally print it "wrong" so that when it warps it will be exactly how they want it is really *really* impressive.
It's actually easier to use ML to control defects than what you feel. I feel very excited thinking about what future holds for us
That was the most impressive to me
As a qualified welder, the reverse warp simulation is amazing. Given the number of variables in the welding process this is very impressive.
As a welding student - im curious how they avoid problems with oxide layer inconsistencies seeing as its aluminum welding. I guess maybe the printer runs cleaning passes before depositing metal?
As a pressure vessel inspector, I have serious doubts that that tank can handle 50psi of pressure. All it would take is one microscopic flaw in one of the welds would cause catastrophic failure. Welded metal air cooled as it is in this video is way weaker than forged or rolled metal. I would like to see the pressure testresults.
@@JoshGariepy I'm pretty sure the wave form changes are wiping any oxidation.
@@Jerichoswa11 thats true, but i think it has potential for inclusions regardless unless the printer has some sort of precleaning action prior to adding filler
@@JoshGariepy agree, if they did the welding in a controlled chamber filled with a gas maybe. This is just a room at ambient temperature. Molten metal that cools at room temperature inherently cracks, when welding, preheating is used and post heating to align the grains in the welds. My bet there is cracks all through these welds.
Congrats Relativity on your successful Terran 1 launch tonight. So cool to have known so much from this video while I was watching the launch with my coworkers.
Terran1 failed and they will not make any more Terran1 rockets and no more 3D printed tanks. TerranR will be another 1 stage only reusable rocket with some 3D printed parts which will be launched somewhen in 2027. So I wouldn't say it is successful.
@@johnvonludd1738 Gotta start somewhere, right?
@johnvonludd1738 Ima introduce the starship argument; Terran 1 was quite successful since its goal is MAXQ because they wanted to prove its structural integrity. Terran R was only skipped to because of the success of 1.
The StarCraft referencing was the icing on the cake...
The whole nerdiness vibe really says something about the passion involved with this company.
didnt expect to see you here
Oh hi moonbo I see you take inspiration from Veritasium for your builds.
It's incredibly nerdy and I love it.
NOT ENOUGH MINERALS
I love that Scott Manley is delivering all of the technical details!
The second i heard his voice i knew video is gonna get lit afterwards. Such a amazing guy
Yeah, the founder is clearly a very smart guy, but I would rate his tour 4/10. And his English 3/10. Scott Manley basically saved the video.
When Scott is speaking about something you instantly know that the content is well thought and correct.
Yes... great video... but I hate that Derek is going real low on his sponsors :~-( I don't think any amount of money is worth supporting some of the last ones.
Bruh. His name is manly
I like what Scott Manley said about their developing 3D metal printing capabilities as a solid contribution and business even if they don't make it as a rocket company. I usually just groan when some glassy eyed kid starts talking about 3D printing - because they never talk about material properties or metallurgy. These guys do. That is very very cool.
100% fake comment.
@@neoneo4221 ?
IMHO they definitely should partner with spacex (not merge), SpaceX will have better rockets in the short term (more advanced on reusability), but the direction they are taking here is better for building the Mars base and the long term scaling up of Earth Mars transit.
@@christophejamoye8394 So they would lose the 3D printing knowledge to SpaceX and noone will further invest in them? I don't know.
@@christophejamoye8394 I doubt they want to seeing as how the two founders each previously worked for a rocket company, Spacex and Blue Origin, and decided that neither was innovating enough so they quit and started their own company.
Well.... it worked!!!! I just watched their launch video and it was amazing! To get through Max Q and first stage separation on their first try with a 3d printed rocket is just nuts. I heard about Relativity for the first time here and was really skeptical about it working, but I'm so glad it did.
Looking for such a comment. It wasn’t a 100% success, but at least the part we’re interested in seeing did make it.
Terran1 failed and they will not make any more Terran1 rockets and no more 3D printed tanks. TerranR will be another 1 stage only reusable rocket with some 3D printed parts which will be launched somewhen in 2027. So I wouldn't say it is successful.
@@johnvonludd1738 i mean it was more successful than the first Starship launch ;)
@Erina Isshu I'm not against failing, I'm against using wrong ways to do something and trying to convince everyone that it's the best way just to give up on it later and start making things like everyone else.
@@johnvonludd1738 He said "smooth surface is same as rough aerodynamically" i wouldnt let him near anything technical if thats an example of his intelligence! I hate spoilt rich kids with a vengeance, wastes of oxygen. Bout time we gave the best opportunity to poor people. The rich can be eduated to enjoy their inheritance and not be greedy and the poor can be taught to better themselves for their kids future. The current system is broken the rich bend evry rule law and tax in their favour as well as take all the decent jobs because it dont matter how clever or good you are its about being born rich enough and next its who do you know so again the rich employ and help their rich mates dont matter theres a faster better harder working option cos sadly wev let democracy totally fail and none of that matters anymore
Whenever I try 3D printing rockets they end up smashed into pieces in the Aussie outback. Guess the secret ingredient was GIANT LASERS! Thanks for the video Derek!
@@thishandleistaken. hey
I’m pretty sure the answer to any high level physics issue is more lasers
Hey @Veritasium Can we expect a video on the poll on your community page stating why most of us prefer odd no.s being red and even no.s being blue??
lmao
When is the crossover episode with Veritasium? I am a big fan of Atomic Frontier!
I recognized Scott Manley's voice way before his face was on screen. What a LEGEND.
I knew I wasn't the only one.
Same, all those hours of ksp tutorials...
Same, I actually had to check if I opened up another tab for Scott Manley video by mistake when I heard his voice.
how unexpected that scott manley appeared lol
Awe, I need to start playing Kerbal again.
I ADORE that the whole company is full of Starcraft nerds.
@cnmmd qiuoo Not enough Printer Spools
The "we regularily joke that we need to build additional Pilons" just got me.
The Final rocket will for sure be called a Carrier. Or OR Gantrithor (Tasadar's Carrier)
Well you kinda need people that needs to know about spacecrafts to like... Build a spacecraft...
@Kenric Young dude i literally was just saying you need people that knows about spacecrafts for a company like this.... calm down...
@Kenric Young when did I ever say that.. I didn't assume they don't, my comment was saying the opposite of what you somehow thought I said..
Carrier has arrived !
When I first heard of 3d printing, one of my first thoughts was that in the future you could stick a welder on a robot arm and 3d print metal. Really cool to see a way more sophisticated iteration of that idea being used to 3d print a freaking rocket.
And you know what the scary thing is - provided we don't wind up wiping ourselves out or what not: in a hundred years or less - this sort of "revolutionary" technology will be relegated to child's play.
I mean just look at the Internet and computers - they were originally devised for advanced means and yet these days kids can do things with them that the original creators would never have imagined.
Don't care what he's building, flying to Jupiter or whatever, the fact that he's worked out the distortion into the weldment has got me sold. Nice job.
Yea I thought that was insane, how can it be a predictable pattern which they can reverse engineer? Who tf would have thought to try that?
@@gnatdagnat Rocket scientists who understand physics at a level so unbelievably high above our heads
In seriousness I think material scientists would hold the crown on that achievement
@@SyrupSplash They are too busy wasting their time trying to figure out how to create materials to fail for forced obsolescence.
yeah. ^^^ this.
Yeah, time to invest for sure.
EDIT: Apparently the private sector is very interested, so there's no immediate plans to go public. :(
I showed this video to my dad who have been working all his life at one of Russian Rocket assemble plant until recent retirement. He was one of leading engineers and knows thing or two about rocket stuff. At first he doubted about 3d-printing from scratch such complex structure like spacecraft but when I translated all mentioned solutions for different issues he got truly amazed by the progress of such technology. He even forget for a moment all his anti-usa biases raised by soviet and Russian propaganda and had said - "This is our future. Hope, they gonna do the best for humanity."
In Russia, future 3d prints the past
Good thing 3d printers exist everywhere. Pretty sure China and Russia are watching this video and taking notes.
@@Solid_Snake99 -- Why wouldn't they be when you have an entire political party and all the media in the West constantly accusing Russia of being behind every election they dislike?
@@Solid_Snake99 lol! usa is anti russia and china aswell my friend. wtf are u talking about?
@@Solid_Snake99 go away with your shitty vision of world politics we are about science here
Nice, nice... So are the STLs on Thingiverse yet or...?
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@@SharXwasTaken uhhh can I use PETG? I don't have an enclosure.
The scaling was off, I imported it and it was huge
I love how they develop their own custom alloys and work with a material science team to strengthen the material! So cool!
At a minimum, a company that can rapidly prototype large, complex, and precision parts is never going to run short of potential clients. As Scott said once you get to the point of mass producing parts the benefits of 3D printing get eaten away by dedicated tooling. But if they focus on the flexibility of 3D printing, they can pivot to fill a niche in basically any manufacturing industry.
Well said! Plus even if you have dedicated factories for mass production you will still need the 3D printing for prototyping improvements.
They can pratically be the company that would handle almost all the prototyping of rockets in the industry. It would be unfeasable for any other company to start this kind of 3D printing factory for their testing from the ground up just for their own needs, especially when there's a company that exists, and is willing to create your machiened pieces with years of experience in the field.
also note that, just like this shell type fuel tank structure he's shown, really weird shaped metal parts are almost impossible automate with normal tools, so even during mass production, some parts will need to be 3d printed.
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"You must construct additional Pylons" 14:38
~ The world expert on 3D printing rocket hardware.
Absolutely love it!
i was looking for this comment. could we edit it with a timestamp? 14:38
@@Go.Shaman done and done! :D
@@davetoms1 thank you so much!
@VeroMithril Even I didn't get it. Can someone explain it please?
Lmao i just posted the same comment and then found yours 😃
the founder is such a wholesome and passionate guy, wish his company the best.
*cofounder
Terrible fashion sense though
@@mac3864 Good engineers could care less what you think they look like, they have better things on their mind.
@@noanyobiseniss7462 except he's wearing a $200 belt buckle...
@@mac3864 Who cares? Thankfully, his job isn't about appearances.
The aerodynamics of 3d printed parts are pretty surprising. Some experiments have shown that the texture forms a cushion of air that actually reduces friction.
Like a golf ball..
Or shark's skin
Almost unbelievable
air cavitation
Every now and then Derek brings something to UA-cam that just blows my mind. This is one of those times. There's so many little things here that just blows my mind. For example... I never would have considered what was stronger... traditional builds or 3D printed metal parts. Or that they have software that helps print a warped product so that it "warps" to straight. This is fascinating stuff.
Fasfan, One of the best comments here, imho: 'Course that's only because you agree with me... 😎.
Seriously, I think you understood the video in a way that maybe 80++% of the people here didn't.
I still can't believe it.i thought it was a clickbait
can we talk about the materials team developing better suited alloys for this task..? thats insane alone. the anti-warp algorithm is bananas. as a mech. e. major I am drooling over this.
@Rob Bannstrom great example, this is true
@Rob Bannstrom sure the idea has been around, but there's a little bit of a difference between a CD case injection molded in one piece and a freaking rocket part made 1mm at a time. Lol
I love the Scott Manley cross-pollination of this segment. This is an inspiring video. Cool folks doing cool things.
and they also used a song from Kevin Macleode which was used in Kerbal Space Progam
We must construct additional pylons
Yeah, 3D PRINT PYLONS
We must construct additional pylons.
We need a DoodleChaos liner rider hitting the pylons!
WE MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!
RUSH E
@9:05 loved hearing about the brazing. It’s not actual welding. The base metals don’t melt. The best steel bicycle frames are brazed. And it was neat to learn they use brazing to move liquid hydrogen.
Seriously rooting for these guys. They seem like they are having as much fun as they are innovating space launches. Positive vibes!
If you dont mind them burning up the earths oxygen while crying save the earth lmfao.
@@cjbrenner13 I don't think you understand that rockets almost do nothing towards the environment because of the fuel used. Cars are worse and even planes. The hydrogen fuel is not actually bad.
@@kdog__ it takes more energy to produce hydrogen than other fuel sources. If you have a theory, research it before you comment opinions. Burning anything - in massive quantities depletes O2 - thats just that way it works.
@@cjbrenner13 yet you're here, not in cars video which release about 4.5 metric ton of carbon dioxide
@@cjbrenner13 hey so there's plenty of ways to get all the fuel you need sustainably, just because its not being done now doesnt mean its not possible
This guy and the StarCraft references has me in love with his company even more than just the thought of 3d printing models.
The fact this guy wants to create a build a factory through automation is exactly what you do in StarCraft.
It all makes perfect sense.
Time to warp in Carriers and 3D print some interceptors
I'm still waiting for a reason to make a Colossus. Now that'd be tight
Pitch meeting references are tight!
Well ,he said, they need more Pylons. He clearly is not from this planet.
But while you’re doing that the Zerg swarm all over you and you’re screwed
Literally on the pad right now, Good luck Relativity.
The mathematics around that 3D printing must be really something. It is amazing that they can account for the cooling of the structure as they print it. Awesome video, I really enjoyed.
Love the founder vision and how passionate and optimistic he is about the whole process. Best of luck for his company!
U wanna play Russian roulette?
@@eabradley1108 definitely an odd duck. If he didn’t have a rocket factory behind him in these shots, I’d think he was blowing smoke about half of it. And maybe he is. Some of the things he said and tried explaining just didn’t come across right.
Exactly, the nervousness and some vague stuff he said, exactly like a young Elon. He will be successful. To achieve the unimaginable, you have to believe in yourself even if you have to, but don't know all the answers to questions relevant to reach your goal.
@@CarbonRevo91 He said the unevenness of the surface adds "only 5-10% more weight" which is OK. Bruh, how in the world is 5-10% additional weight commercially acceptable? He just brushed it off as no biggie. LOL, that's not how it works!
@@spookymanbearpig We'll certainly find out if it works when he tries to launch it. I hope it's beamed publicly.
Seems like a pretty cool company. I love the idea of pre-stressed materials by taking advantage of warping metal while manufacturing.
Oh *god* you’re right that’s pre-stressed isn’t it? Brilliant accident!
@@ringsystemmusic I wish I was a brilliant accident lol
I'm really curious about how they got that working anyways. It would surely be helpful on regular FDMs, and it'd definitely reduce the incidence of failed prints. Maybe there's some kind of sensor keeping the nozzle a uniform distance from the material?
omg just realized this.. it’s truly perfect
What does that mean?
The thing about (home) 3D printing is that it can be incredibly frustrating if you expect it to be something you can just set up like a paper printer and you get perfect results right out of the gate.
Honestly it can be so incredibly frustrating that I've wanted to throw in the towel. But now I'm printing full body armor for cosplay like Iron Man.
In the end, the concept is roughly the same for how this rocket is 3D printed. Pretty incredible.
Haha yes. I bought a printer about 3-4 months ago but didn't have time to start printing.
I wanted to print some items for my house's ceiling fan plumbing and I thought I'd just upload my GCODE and press PRINT .
Nope. You have to tune the damn thing based on filament and other factors.
I'm learning quickly. I've printed 2 functional items so far and I'm loving it. My goal is to add another printer because waiting for ~10hrs is painful
I've been wanting to get a 3D printer, but now you are scaring me. I do work in an office with a 3D printer and some skilled design engineers though, so maybe I can get some pro tips at work?
add a BL touch I haven't leveled a 3d printer except the initial setup in years.
@@doulos5322 I recently got a kingroon kp3s, I made the mistake of not leveling it properly the first time, and I made a hole in the middle of the magnetic print bed. I want to add the sensor for auto leveling, but I'm not sure.
@@mortenrobinson5421 3D printers are really cool, and I think you should get one. I got the kingroon kp3s, which is relatively cheap. Make sure you learn how it works (basics, nothing too fancy). I usually print small models, and simple things though. Get one once you think your ready, and make sure you join help forums, or ask for help, because you will need it.
as soon as he said starcraft, I got really invested lmao
It took you 14 minutes to get invested into a 20 minutes video? 😂
@@kevinhale8162 yes
ahhh... I still remember the old Jessica Alba map for StarCraft lol. Now I wanna play the OG starcraft.
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Love that Scott is credited as "Internet Rocket Scientist". Just how he describes himself, and incredibly accurate 😂
Scott Manley is a legend, an absolute Legend, there's no other epitaph or superlative that could be used to describe him.
I heard his voice and smiled!
@@my3dprintedlife Me too!
@@my3dprintedlife yes
I thought "hey, this guy sounds exactly like Scott Manley" and a few seconds later he appeared on screen..
Cant wait to see how far they go.
i can see them getting acquired
To infinity and beyond!!!
@@astitva5002 I took that more literally than you did haha
@DONT stfu
Do you mean in meters above the sea level?
You got urself a new follower Relativity, really like the vibe and the direction you're going with. I believe manufacturing will be "printed" of some kind, master it and show the world how its done. Big thumbs up.
The old joke. "If the weld is stronger than the metal, then why don't we make the whole thing from weld?" Finally joke becomes reality
Ba-fricking-da-boom... thats funny
That wire and other factors make the total structural stress factors all over the surface on a micro scale that they can't find.
Slag inside not easy to find.
Like the sheet metal press molded auto body .. the stress factors are many and randomly happening on the microscopic surfaces that are hard the find and causes the whole thing to be no good.
@@carlojones8610 so are you saying it's not better to make the whole thing from weld?
@@carlojones8610 you should call them and let them know they are wasting money. SpaceX too. They are 3d printing parts as well. You'll be their hero.
I was thinking the same thing. It now is practical to do it.
Love the StarCraft theme. "You must construct additional pylons." Love everything about it.
I wonder if he actually plays the game? I mean he sounds passionate so I hope so. If he does I bet he plays T due to the rocket being called terran
I always love seeing Scott talk about rockets he has a way of talking about this stuff that is extremely engrossing
That would be the Scottish accent.
@@chonkymonkey6988
He's also obviously very interested in the topic, and that makes it more interesting to the viewer as well.
I could definitely see SpaceX acquiring them and keeping the entire team there just with way more resources at their disposable.
I would love to
Sounds good, but also having theme compete for the low orbit market sound's like a good way to boost innovation for both companies.
Except you'd have Elon as a boss.. I'd be the hell out of there if you wanted to work for any sort of decent company..
Competition is good
The founder was actually an intern at SpaceX before he decided to strike out and start Relativity
Regardless of whether this sort of engineering is practical, this guy has a wonderful vision and a fantastic attitude in general.
He knows he's the first mover in the industry with a clear vision. I can see SpaceX trying to buy Relativity Space out in the next few years.
@viiont eooiy They could machine down the outside if at some point it made sense to do so. I guess ultimately, they'll focus on optimising other bottlenecks until that one arises as the main one.
@Jackie Robinson so... 0?
Can't they 3D print the fuel as well?
They all talk as if going to mars was a project. But how many of these people would actually live there ? Probably none ... Who wants to go there, let me know
Scott Manley x Veritasium crossover?… Perfection.
@@thishandleistaken. This guy who plays kerbal space program and knows a lot of rocket science.
Slim Inkognito One of the people interviewed in this video. He has a UA-cam channel discussing space and rockets
I hope veritasium do a crossover with Everyday astronaut UA-cam channel
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The software adjustment for warping is aweeesommmmmmeeee
Toedilly!
ohh yes love email
Yees, warpensation ftw
They have three patents for machine learning systems for improving the print quality. No heated build platform, no heating chamber. This is a gamechanger.
I wonder if they accomplished that via insights from adaptive optics.
The implications for 3-D printing tools when we eventually get to Mars is amazing. Very excited for the future.
Better first they buy a 3d cloth print machine able to complete the t-shirt of the poor employee at 4:44
You have definitely set the bar for the quality of your videos in recent 5 - 7 videos. Every video is just an adventure and literally makes people ponder about the topics you discuss for like a week or so. For most of the science channels I watch, I would forget about it most likely in a day or so. I don't know if it's teaching or presentation skills but the topics you discuss have the highest retention rate.
Well said!
100% Agree!
although this one felt a bit like watching a company ad
@@Butterkekskrumel That's true but there's so much to take away from the video, you will probably be left wondering how cool the technology is and what other areas this can be used and what the future will look like for the rocket industry or even the CAD insutry as a whole.
@@rutvikpanchal466 Exactly what I’ve been thinking. It’s videos like these that inspire me to go into engineering.
"3D printing ain't rocket science."
These guys: Hold my beer
To be fair, the point of science has always been to understand more so we can make life easier. If we have a proof of concept of such a rocket going to space with relatively normal expectations, we could cut the price of space missions in half, if not more. But what to do for all those rocket engineers? Focus more manpower on developing better 3D print systems, perfect the systems that have to go inside the rocket.
I have a big... BIG... BIIIIGGGGG... muscles!!! HAHAHA!!! What did you think I was going for? That's so DIRTY of you! GAGAGAGA!!! I am the funniest UA-camr ever! Maybe that's the reason why I have TWO (!!!) HOT (!) GIRLFRIENDS. Thanks for being alive, dear mi
@@AxxLAfriku ok
Even rocket science is so easy it's not rocket science
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here we are in the future. Love a Scott Manley cameo!
Somehow the best rocket specialist Derek could get on a show is a software engineer who played a lot of Kerbal Space Program...
fly safe friend
And its bright
This is idiotic...
@@PAIP_Studio I just looked at the crap you upload and you have the audacity to insult anyone, anywhere… 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡
I have been keeping up with the company and they had to attempts to launch the Terran 1 with another scheduled today. This is a great leap for proving what Additive manufacturing can do.
Finally Derek/Manley crossover we always wanted.
Unexpected but pleasant surprise
Hullo, I'm Veritasium!
That reverse warp design blows my mind man!
THAT is sheer genius!
@Jerome Samuel ??? Sheer is spelled correctly in the comment.
It's an engineering joke! Shear stress is one of the things they're fighting with that design.
where is it (timestamp)?
@@iamnormal8648 5:18 or so
@@samliong1446 ffs there's always one prick rattling on about spelling
The engineering behind this StarGate 3D Printer is impressive, congrats to the wonderful team! We are a step closer to Mars! 🤘😎
Only if we don't run out of water or fuels till then. Also corruption getting higher, I hope there will be no new big war
fracknbell
Someone tell Elon Musk he has a competitor, quick.
Why go to Mars when we go to venus!
@@ratnakarmayank Venus is not suitable for us.
Love your description of 3-D printing as that thing you thought would be great but never get a result you're happy with. The beginning of that industry was dominated by start-ups that couldn't or wouldn't do the quality control needed to produce machines that actually worked as advertised. Lack of government or private lawsuits or arrests encouraged this.
Man it's so weird watching people like derek,scott,destin,mark grow old over the years before our eyes. What a time to be alive with such free information.
Muller, Manley, Sandlin and Rober would make for a VERY good podcast I think
Shots fired
@@travismiller5548 Growing older isn't an insult 🙄
@@travismiller5548 people like you are the problem 🤢
holy crap. soon as starcraft was mentioned i fell even in more love with this company and this man. let’s just hope zerg doesn’t attack us when we start to colonize on mars.
Don't worry. If they do, I will send my Protoss fleet to purge the entire planet.
Bruh moments: getting to mars and instantly getting zerg rushed by some unskilled idiot.
I'm hoping that when they launch it instead of "We have liftoff" we get "Power Overwhelming".
If they ever create a project to specifically deploy micro satellites I hope they name it ZergRush. Then StarLink would have to compete with ZergRush. :D
@@Trias805 But first, you must construct additional pylons.
I love that this rocket scientist nerd threw on his black jacket, leather pants and flashy belt buckle and just owned it and acted like himself. He rocked it.
Don't forget those boots.
And he based his company culture baseline from a video game. Awesome
@@Michael-ij6kg which game?
@@ikimihimiri633 starcraft
and he comes off as far more trustworthy than someone in a suit
Naming your rockets and equipment after Starcraft is the cherry on top!! You got me hooked..
I got so excited when I heard Scott Manley's voice at 3:56. Thought maybe my ears were playing a trick on me until he was on screen
I love that Scott's title is "Internet Rocket Scientist"
Benis
Ha ha... I thought that was weird in a funny way
oh no scott is the irs get out before they take your tax money
I'm just happy see there's a Scottish guy named Scott Manley. Sounds like a trope or placeholder name for a Scottish action hero.
I think the key thing they’ve got here is that ability to iterate so rapidly.
That could be a really exciting niche for them to fill - someone needs a better nozzle or a better tube or a better second stage, cryogenics, whatever - these guys get a contract to run through a whole bunch of algorithmically generated iterations on that item, then sell the designs to the larger companies so they can produce them at scale.
Like Scott said, in the long run it becomes cheaper when you standardize manufacturing, but in the short term, developing incrementally better pieces for other companies with standardized manufacturing could really speed up this kind of Space Race 2.0 we’ve got going on right now.
Super exciting stuff!
I mean I agree that standardized manufacturing is cheaper in long term but some parts are better suited to being created by 3d printers, such as the nozzles.
3d printing can also make parts that physically cannot be made any other way. That "scalloped" shaped tank would be a heat stress nightmare otherwise to cast or weld.
@@jellafella6957 Parts that don't need to be made in massive quantities could be cheaper printed anyway since the printers can make other stuff with little to no retooling. Depending on the scale the lower efficiency could be counteracted by the cheaper tooling and standardized parts.
Derek says exactly that point at 10:42. Well, minus the future commercial potential.
@@jellafella6957 again, literally one of the main points discussed in the video haha
This almost looked like a sci fi movie.....seriously inspired by these men who are revolutionizing everything...much love
By far the most impressive bit for me is the reverse warping of the rocket body models. Anyone who's done 3D printing of "large" objects knows how difficult it is to make the result match the model due to warping.
I wonder if they could generalize their software for different materials and scales. A lot of people doing small-scale 3D printing would love to have that kind of ability.
It's proprietary!
This kind of software is becoming standard for laser powder bed fusion (metals and plastics) and it exists for some other methods like the wire feed system shown in the video. Autodesk, Concept Laser, and a number of other companies and university research groups have independently developed this tech.
Yeah, that amazed the hell out of me.
@@MrMctastics and that can change
For sure, metal is even worse than the plastics we're used to bc of the high temperature differentials and high expansion. It’s crazy that one section of the part is hundreds of degrees while another part is a bit over room temperature, you can only imagine the warping.
factoring in reverse warp to end up with a rocket body perfectly straight with a level of precision to less than that of a human hair?
That is REALLY freaking cool
wow those organic structures look beautiful
it's either really cool or it's a lie. we don't really know, do we?
@@Withnail1969 Why lie about it?
@@TheSimCaptain to get investors’ money.
@@nathanlewis42 i mean they showed it there so it's probably true..
@@Withnail1969 geez man! You’re freakin sceptical!
The StarCraft nerdery was DELIGHTFUL.
I was gonna say lol
build additional pylons
@@dooki3face not enough minerals
You Must Place that in a Power Field
additional pylons required
The amount of work and people you have long conversations with only to show highlights in the actual video of is truly astonishing man. Thanks for all the time and effort that you put in to each of your videos man
If we assume this rocket will be successful, the most amazing part of this project is not the scale of the printers, nor the "vision" of the start up CEO. It is the metallurgy engineers who figured out how to comply with all the loads and structural criteria while depositing material horizontally. As mentioned on the video, it is often said that 3D printed objects are weak on shear, but this man is telling us they figured a way to make it stronger through temperature control (I am impressed if that is true). Interesting that there were no "longerons" running at the length of the rocket, just the internal circular frames, do they carry bending loads on the skin or will they add something to stabilize later?
Its more than likley due to the use of metal and the over extrusion, metal has a cool characteristic of being very good at transferring energy heat and electricity so when you heat some parts up the other sections around it get very hot very quick and improve adhesion not to mention metal works differently on a more fundamental level think like cold welding where two parts can just spontaneously fuse which i would imagine helps here.
can we even call it a rocket yet? have the parts been assembled into a ready to launch rocket?
Great points. I'll believe it when I see it.
Yes I was thinking the same thing, I have some knowledge of metallurgy, and heat-treating processes , but if they can pull this off more power to them.
@@bestcreations4703 3D printed metal doesn't behave like standard welded parts traditionally. Whether using cintering and dust or these extrusion based printers, it's next to impossible to control the crystal structure which usually results in far more internal impurities and voids (can't remember the technical term it's been a few years since I researched this topic). This creates very brittle and non-heat resistant parts. Its why 3D printing has yet to be widely applied in so many industrial application; there currently does not exist a cost effective method of ensuring microstructural stability in the metal relative to traditional casting and manufacturing methods. Now if theyve actually figured something new out that's huge, but this is a very "I'll believe it when it makes it to space" situation as someone he's been around this manufacturing method.
"Do we have enough B-roll of me nodding my head?"
"Yes, yes we do"
(in Alan Rickman's voice) "Not hardly"
dont forget shaking it No
Funny! I was thinking the same thing
you mean {nods head yes}
(nods)
Rocket guy: "we have to construct additional pylons like in StarCraft haha"
Derek: .....
If you've never played the game all of those references he made would just pass right over your head. Derek may be one of the many people who have never played or watched a game of Starcraft. I find watching multi-player games between professionals to be every bit as enjoyable as watching traditional sports but I get that most people won't feel the same.
Kudos to Tim Ellis for the nod to Starctaft. I wonder, indeed, if Derek von Veritasium knows what "a pylon" is, and why it we need to construct more of them ;)
Wonder how they’ll use “My life for Aiur” line 🥲
Imagine you are Jaedong or Raynor or Serral. Congratulations - you just scored VIP-seats on Tim's spaceships ;)
@@luishurtado2170 Astronaut will be contractually obligated to say it before launch
Caveat occurs at 5:00 when he explains that this manufacturing method adds 5 to 10 % mass compared to traditional methods.
I love in just this months, there's 3 rocket companies doing a tour of their factory! SpaceX, Rocketlab and then Relativity
Really? Cool! Could you share the links please? :)
Tim Ellis is one of the most enthusiastic, knowledgeable, and open rocket company founders I've ever seen. It's really cool to see him so excited about this process and the future of rocketry and humanity. Thanks Derek
The cutaways to Derek when Scott is explaining stuff are quietly hilarious.
That's one way to put it
"Don't 'cross the line'? What in the world does that mean? I didn't even draw a line!"
Didn't you say the same thing on one of his last videos? Or are people just that amused by such a mundane thing?
I'd put it more like: Unnecessary and utterly stupid.
@@PopLadd the second
Indian startup "Agnikul Cosmos" has created the Rocket and successfully tested it.
So proud of them 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I feel like every welder has thought of this before, but has never acted on it because how complicated it would be. I am happy it exists now.
It's literally a big automated mig welder
Yeah probably lol
Welds are stronger than the material you are welding. Answer: Weld everything!
So nice that your helping out little channels like Scott Manley. You're a real gent.
I wouldn't call scott manley little, i would say he is underrated
@@Vanta1111 I literally just came here to say the same thing :D >1M subscribers is not small, but he *is* great and underrated, so I'm glad to see him here :)
@@Vanta1111 I was being ironic. It's a Scottish thing, you wouldn't understand.
Dude sounds like he's having a fabulous time building rockets
It sounds like a literal child dream come true, especially with his passionate he seems about getting humanity out into space
Good luck have fun on your first launch Relativity!
He sounds like a kid showing off all the toys in his bedroom. Clearly passionate about his company’s vision
ikr? so wholesome
@@sololeveling7390 What does ike mean
I liek that guy
That guy is ewasome
@@sololeveling7390 you shouldn't have edited the typo. ike = i made a typo deal with it. lmao
As a welder, this is exciting to see that 3D "printing" is using a series of short welds to build an entire structure. Very cool indeed!
And UV arc "eye" risks is scary...i got Arc-eye once and its a trip all right,waking up at 4Am unable to open my eyelids as they were fused together with congealed gunk,while feeling i had hot sharpsand in my eye sockets.. good times!! Cold milk eyebath was my only "relief" ,moral to the tale?... dont even be in the same room as a welder without glasses,i wasnt even looking at the Arc and still got my retina laser scarred from the side
@@Gianfranco_69 oh no! Yes! Arc-flash is very terrible! I've only ever had a very mild case of it, a friend of mine had a bad case of it and I spent the rest of the day helping him around because he couldn't see
I don't get why they don't call it automated welding instead of 3D printing... Are they worried welders will protest they're losing work to automation, or do they just like to piggyback onto plastic 3D welding hype?
It's a spiral weld joint. It's given the "3D printer" moniker, as that's the current obsession, thus it "looks cool" to call it that 😂
@Alexandru Ciobanu adjusting the amount of heat going into the weld to prevent the welds from completely melting and ruining the entire structure
Tim seemed to handwave away the 5-10% extra weight due to roughness as if it were nothing, but from what I know of rockets (which is admittedly very little), conserving weight is the most important factor when building a rocket. Does the rocket get sanded down before use or are they just eating the extra fuel cost as a necessary consequence of using 3D printing tech?
Underrated comment here
even if it is 10%, youd need 10 launches to lose a full other launch on cost, so it is not much, besides its a prototype, sanding it is not the way to go as you could oversand it and make it too weak, i think they seek to improve the 3d printing method to make it less rough, tackle the main thing, not the consequence, also if the whole rocket warps just a hair thickness distance from tip to bottom, thats already a win.
@@felipeaugusto6991 well if they have the machine and file that they used to make the parts, then it seems really possible to have an attachment of sorts to the arm be a sander after the printing is complete. I don't know anything about robotics so, its very possible I'm dumb and so is this idea.
@@felipeaugusto6991 sanding can also be done automatically
Have to keep in mind that this is the bleeding edge of the technology. I have no doubt that if this becomes a viable solution that 10% will get engineered out just from commercial pressure.
Agree with everyone else, this was an incredible video. The flexibility of this fabrication method has me very excited.
I need this 3D printer for my next 12ft statue. Can you imagine @whatsinside's face when 2 statues show up in his backyard?
brilliant idea 💡
Buy it
Zak you could print a Car also
Yes yes
Oh hi Jerry good to see you here
I absolutely love that everything at this company is named after Starcraft. "YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS"
Isn't pylon a common English word in this field? 🤔
I was about to comment that in all caps, now I guess I don't have to.
@@manojlds the "You must construct additional pylons" is a well known Starcraft phrase. He was clearly referring to Starcraft there. but I think that Like you said, he probably said the phrase because it was called a Pylon in the first place and they have to build a lot of it.
It was SOOOO CRINGE
*We have embraced the glory of battle!*
Isn’t it just an awesome boom to world’s engineering to suddenly drop tools and see 3D printing take the short cut to making incredibly complicated items as one piece and with design improvements within months.
This is where humanity gets to reach betterment for all and at a gallop. A very exciting time😳
The private sector can outperform any government agency, by removing politics. It really is exciting times!
It's great and not so great. Great for reducing manufacturing costs in the long-run and quickly building upon past iterations, not so great if you as a consumer want to fix something or start adding mods, kinda sounds like you're SOL. Especially when he mentioned there are certain forms which are only possible when 3d printed, that immediately makes me worried that it's nigh impossible to fix them if there's ever an issue. You use lose that modularity when you build everything in one go (technically layers but whatever). Having said that, the time and money savings for projects like these are still way worth it. I would be very curious to hear his opinion about rocket reusability if a certain section breaks; how do you approach repairing it, if possible in the first place?
@@yerpderp6800 No need to repair or mod if you can just toss it into the recycler and print off a new one.
@@yerpderp6800 The trade-off though, is that any person with access to a 3D printer and the necessary material only needs access to a 3D model of the part and it's theirs. It doesn't even need to be an official model, as long as the measurements are accurate any hobbyist could design one and put it on a schematics exchange.
@@alphagt62 "by removing politics"…are words I never thought I’d share with someone…I’ve needed compensation for those 4 yrs of America’s feeble mommy’s boy ruining our worlds modernity and 3D printing is "hold my beer" to everything in engineering🙂
ScottManleyXVeritasium the collab I didn't know I needed
Diamond button almost coming!!!
he deserves it
@@DyslexicMitochondria hey bro i watch your videos. Love ur channeI
Just noticed that he's not there yet, and honestly just assumed he was because of how awesome his channel is.
I don’t think they do that anymore
@@mdog11400 google would be foolish not to, especially for oldschool users like derek
"you wouldn't download a car"
Not till industrial 3D printing becomes home use
the Replicators of Star Trek are a step closer each day, basicly 3-D printing at the atomic scale.
Imagine having self-replicating printers... and after they double to 1000 after 10 generations of doubling, have them independently create "growable" solar collectors and and wind turbines to power themeselves to double even more and for our energy needs hmm
For that company being viable. They can do rapid prototyping of gigantic complex parts, not just for rockets.
The advantage of 3D Printers is that they can print any shape, so they aren't limited to printing rockets.
They could branch out to printing just about any kind of low volume metal structure that would take far longer to fabricate.
I also see a lot of promise in their tech for creating scientific experiments and instruments.
These are often very costly and often only serve a very limited purpose while having rather high complexity which causes design iteration to be a nightmare.
So being able to bring down the cost and iteration time down is a huge boon.
Yeah, I'm bearish on how useful this will be for large scale rocket manufacturing. But this large scale 3d printing capability is very promising regardless, whether for rocket prototyping or for other industries.
@Timothywhack115 why wouldn’t it be
So we can expect a 3D printed Gundam?
@Bram Smits 3D printing big thing is just waste of energy especially if there is a way to mass manufacturing. Why waste energy because Ore/scrap > melted > metal wire > melted again with high energy laser > product. Compared to casting Ore/scrap > melted > casting. You can see 3D printing metal is just waste double or more of the energy. So trying mass produce big thing using 3D printing is waste of resource. 3D printing is the best at prototyping and small thing.
I wonder if they are looking to printing multi material yet.
I know a few applications where doing something as simple as printing a basic copper ring or disk inside a solid aluminium or steel husk would be mind-blowing to be able to do as a one piece structure instead of having to machine and mate several parts.
Truly amazing. Cutting down construction time from 6 months to a couple weeks. Boi were evolving! God bless humanity
As somebody well versed in Starcraft lore I can really appreciate this guys passion about Sci Fi.
I can't wait for the UED 5 rocket. :>
I laughed with the we need to build additional pylons joke.
The only times I ever watch a sponsor are at the end of a satisfying video like Veritasium's. Thank you for not awkwardly putting the sponsorship message in the middle of the video like other youtubers.
Lol the whole video was an ad for this company, dude.
@@isgonrain Well I am not going to buy an Rocket any time soon... So I don't really care
@@angrymario8259 You should. Unquestioning puff pieces like this should be described as what they are. This is an extremely one-sided advertisement video and it's pretty gross.
@@isgonrain And if this process was somehow being funded by government grants alone and not private industry it would suddenly make it educational and not an advertisement? Why is an anti-corporate npc patrolling UA-cam anyway, don't you have college campuses to hold signs at?
@@sirshrooma I'm not a big fan of fawning over "disruptive" tech companies who've yet to produce results (and are still on the prowl for venture capital) being advertised to a clueless public. Though you just unironically used "npc" in a UA-cam comment so you may be just the right mark for these guys. Might wanna sit this one out.
Derek: “How’d you solve the icing problem?….”
Relativity space: “Icing problem?…..”
😂😂😂
imagine this discussion while making a cake
when was that?
[Edit to add; whoosh, the cultural reference went right over my head. Either ignore the rest of my comment, or mock me gently. I can handle moderate amounts of shame.]
-There isn't a significant- -problem with ice forming- -on an approximately cylindrical- -rocket. The ice simply falls off.- -Because of the shape,- -there isn't anything both important and fragile for it to hit.-
-A stacked space shuttle- -did have critically important- -fragile tiles in the path of- -falling ice and insulation.-
@ i don´t get it either, care to explain? :|
I love this. This is how I want to spend my golden years - watching young men and women like these change the future.
Love hearing the CEO talk about the company, truly a passionate nerd!
Jeez, can't believe they can simulate the warping well enough to print it wobbly and have it cool perfectly straight
Must have some crazy math behind it.
@@TrollProductionsMC yeah but for these people it's not whether it's possible or not; it's more along how much time you are willing to spend (or can afford) to develop the algorithm
It probably isnt true.
Let's evaluate their claims after they have achieved LEO.
Those SC references had me going. I almost spit out my drink at "You must construct additional pylons!" Love these guys. You can tell the passion for this is love.
Right?! I was like ONE OF US ONE OF US!
The genius behind all is the creator who design and build this 3D Printer.. Just incredible