My Jehovah's Witness Dad Thought The World Was Ending | Lloyd Evans
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- Опубліковано 22 лис 2020
- Everything you need to know about Jehovah's Witnesses from today's guest, Lloyd Evans (The Reluctant Apostate), who tells me about his own upbringing in the JW church. (Click subscribe if you enjoy.) The UA-camr and ex-JW reveals everything about blood transfusions, domestic abuse and his own upbringing in a family of Jehovah's Witnesses. Lloyd Evans from John Cedars Channel: My (former) life as a Jehovah's Witness.
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The older episodes are available on this channel but most are just audio. This is my first time editing the video version together. Subscribe to hear the next ones - next week is a look at an ex-Mormon from the Thank God I'm an Atheist podcast. It'll be available first on my audio podcast and video just for patrons (links below) then up here a month later.
Links:
The John Cedars UA-cam Channel (JW Broadcasting): / johncedars
Lloyd Evans: The Reluctant Apostate: www.amazon.com/dp/0995669104/...
Andrew Gold's brand new Patreon page: / andrewgold
Audio version of the podcast (where most people listen): podfollow.com/on-the-edge-wit...
Summary:
Lloyd Evans is pretty much the world’s pre-eminent ex-Jehovah’s Witness and authority on the religion, its attractions and its snares. He tells some of the downright craziest and unbelievable stories of his childhood and his time in religion.
So that Jehovah’s Witnesses know, I’m not just picking on them, as I’ve already done episodes on an ex-Muslim whose family are trying to kill her, an ex-Hasidic Jew who believes the community raped her and the son of the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church. You’ll find those in the backlog, by clicking the links above or by visiting my website, andrewgoldpodcast.com.
This is also a special podcast because Ex-Jehovah's Witness Lloyd Evans convinced me, as you’ll hear, of the merits of starting my own Patreon page, and he’s even started contributing himself, which is a really touching gesture from a fellow content maker. Bringing this podcast to you every week is a full-time job, it takes about 40 hours each week. Just go to patreon.com/andrewgold.
Of course, if I’m going to be making money from this, I also have to up my game. I’ve been making an effort to ensure interviewees send me their audio files - so you’ll hear in this one, Lloyd’s voice is absolutely gorgeous. And I’m going to start publishing the video versions of the podcast on UA-cam, with lots of flashy camera angles and high definition.
Anyway, that was my announcement and I don’t want it to eat into any more Lloyd Evans ex-Jehovah’s Witness time. We’re going to be talking about everything from the community’s controversial views on blood transfusions to its purported inaction on child abuse. Lloyd talks eloquently about cognitive dissonance - the way our mind refuses to consider reasoning that runs counter to our engrained idea of how the world works. Lloyd really is an authority on the subject, and if you want to know more, I encourage you to get hold of his acclaimed book - The Reluctant Apostate - and to visit his popular UA-cam page with over 70,000 subscriptions, the John Cedars channel.
Hey guys, thanks for watching. Links to Lloyd's stuff above. I've got an ex-Mormon coming up next week, so make sure to catch that...What do you think of Lloyd? He's got a great voice, I think, and tells stories brilliantly. No wonder his UA-cam page is so popular!
I forgot, please do subscribe if you enjoyed. Gotta rise fast up these UA-cam ranks!
Love it, he’s not lying I’m glad I found he’s page 👍
@@hotkiki13 Me too!! :)
You garbage!! The man only masturbates. He's got a deceiving voice which is who is. He can only fool you.
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I can’t get to Lloyd’s youtube!
Great interview. My children will never go to a meeting, assembly or memorial. They will only knock on doors for sweets at Halloween. I broke the cycle!
Nesbo I am so pleased to hear that! Thanks for tuning in and I hope you enjoy the other ex-religion people we have on. In a couple weeks there’ll be an ex Mormon on the show (so do subscribe if you feel like it!! :) )
I really love Looyd (in a non biblical way haha..) he's so calm and he can attack the subject without overdramatizing. I left 34 years ago now, and I wish I had this kind of support when leaving JV s.
Mark Twain's quote "it's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".
I didn’t know that one, I love that. Reminds me of ‘you can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time. But not all of the people all of the time’
Obviously a totally different meaning, but the light at the end of the tunnel is that fortunately not everyone is taken in by these religious groups.
Thanks for sharing that Daniel, and hope you stick around / subscribe for more!
I love that quote, it sums up my interactions with JDuds
@@shayquinn572 We're all just fools on the hill anyway (now I'm in Beatles territory)
Excellent quote and you may have no idea how deeply that runs in the context of this video involving indoctrinated individuals. Thank you!
@@willyb933 No, thank you for watching! Keep well WillyB!
Absolutely gobsmacked about the two witness rule and it's implications when it comes to child sexual abuse. In the past my feeling towards the Jehovah's witnesses was that they were a little kooky but they weren't doing any harm. This podcast really changed my perspective, thanks Andrew.
Thanks for watching Matt! I felt exactly the same way, and was so fascinated and saddened to see how dark it appears to be. Hope to hear from you soon on here :)
Same thing in Islam. A woman must have multiple witnesses to back up a claim of r@pe or to divorce an abusive husband. Doesn’t apply to men though.
I like this guy he tells the absolute truth and 100"% genuine.. He's very respectful in rebuking the religion by way of intelligence not just slamming it without substance. I was brought up as a JW and left quietly when I was 18 as I didn't buy into the teaching and lifestyle. As Lloyd has the same way of thinking and approach as I did his videos help me free the guilt of leaving that I still carry 25 years on.
Glad you enjoyed it Matthew, hope you stick around for lots of similar stories of leaving religions etc! :)
Hope you are doing well 🙏💙
I wish you continued healing and peace on your journey of self recovery ❤
Yay! Lloyd, your wearing our tee shirt! Made me proud!😃😃😃
Oh what t-shirt is that!?
@bobfrombrum That's funny, and great to know, thanks Bob! Hope you're doing well up in Brum - greetings from Berlin!
Thanks for this great interview! I'm not an ex-JW, but I do follow Lloyd and love his work. This was a tremendous service to people, Andrew and thanks again
Ah Michael, lovely to hear from you, what a nice thing to write! I'm really glad you enjoyed it - on Monday there'll be a clip from my latest podcast with an ex-Mormon - similar kind of thing, but different! Would love to get your thoughts on it then, so make sure to subscribe if you haven't already :D
Lloyd most likely would have triple the amount of subscribers but many cannot because of the fear of being caught lol
Wow that’s an interesting thought! He deserves all the followers he can get. Feel free to follow me though, I won’t tell anyone!
I can confirm this is a factual statement.
@@foehammer8702 It's scary out there
Excellent and enlightening Interview. I was a born in JW and left some 20 yr ago. As a Patreon of the John Cedars channel I would just like to say that people who make the choice to become Patreons of a channel do so because they are deeply touched and motivated by the content of the producer. Please don't be shy to give your subscribers the opportunity to support your channel. I feel a sense of accomplishment from what is now a few years as a Patreon supporter and from this interview I know you can understand why.
Hi WillyB! Thanks so much, what a lovely message that is to read! I’m so glad you left the community and can live your own free life.
And yes I started my Patreon based on Lloyd’s advice. It’s getting there slowly, slowly! The idea of one day being able to just do this for a living...well, it’s a dream.
Do stick around - we got an ex-Mormon on the show in a week. Tomorrow is the first blind radio presenter on the BBC. She’s so inspiring.
And have a lovely day :)
I'm so glad you decided to do your podcast on UA-cam!!
What I like about you Andrew, is your lack of 'big ego' ... very natural, with a lovely level of humility and empathy. And that is so refreshing.
Aw thank you!
Great interview. I follow Lloyd Evans. I hope that he and fellow apostates can expose this evil cult who destroys families and people. Thank you Andrew.
Thanks Gail! I hope so too!!
Unless you have experienced this Shunning it is difficult understand the full evil of it: We unfortunately shunned our disfellowshipped for a while, eventually before leaving the cult we openly associated with her. The elders tried to question me on this, I told them they cannot enforce this cruel thing
I’m so sorry you had to go through that! And I’m happy you’re out on the other side now. Religion is a strange beast
Yeah, I can't imagine. I am from a very devout Lutheran family (going back years and years back to 18th-century Germany but made it to the US, haha). I have enough tension with my parents and extended family, but I can't imagine them not engaging with me at all. As it is, we just argue or drop it.
you are the only beast when you kick the manger that feeds you even though you work the bible says" JEHOVAH makes it rain" about the just and the unjust so don't brag
@@brek5 So you must respect your parents, how conservative they wanted to instruct you, but the baby threw the bottle, put on the pistols and said I, the sheriff I impose my poor law sir, fool the bible is going to teach you a lesson
@@mauromonticelli3745 You are the beast since you cannot string a single sentence together. Get away from me, Satan! (Satan, that's you, yeah, in case you didn't get that, which based on your writing, that could be difficult for you to understand, Chaitan).
Andrew, I'm Jewish too. You remind me of my son. He is now an atheist. Funny thing about it, he came to me at age 12 and said he was an atheist. Well, as you know he was studying (and had been for some time) for his Bar Mitzvah. I looked at him and said, "You can be an atheist after your Bar Mitzvah." LOL!
hahaha! I did a similar thing with myself...just wait til I get the party done with... :)
Lol
Lloyd is definitely my favorite UA-camr. Thanks to him I was able to shake my fear of Armageddon. Just subscribed!🙋🏻♀️
Aw thanks, I hope you like the content. I just uploaded a clip from the podcast with the BBC's first blind presenter, she's amazing! And next week is an ex-Mormon, similar to Lloyd in personality, very nice and interesting
@@AndrewGold1 sounds great. Us atheists need to support each other.🙂
@@maryannlockwood7806 100%!!!
Another brilliant talk. Even from a cult of one (my mother is the cult leader and the rest of the family buckles under and accepts the regime) I can still relate to Lloyd when he says that it is the *ongoing punishment* (silence) in the place of humanity that makes you so determined to hold on to your interpretation of events like it's carved in stone. If they showed kindness and appreciation for your separate sense of self, you'd be less determined to carve your interpretation of events in stone.
Very fascinating and interesting ! Great video.
Thank you very much for having Lloyd Evans on and that’s probably why I came across your channel in the algorithm. I didn’t search anything it’s just your video popped up probably, because Lloyd Evans his face and name is in it. I wish you a lot of success and I just subscribed. 😊
Well you have just helped me smile again!!! Lovely name, that. And thanks so much, I’m so glad you enjoyed it and subbed. There’s a few interviews you’ll find on my channel with ex religious people, from Mormons to Hasidic Jews. I hope you enjoy those and the others !!
Great podcast!
i just came by your channel after you featured in the new Professor Dave Explains video, that was great content, and i really hope to see more of it...
I also grew up JW and has broken the cycle with my child...
Anyways you just gained another subcriber, looking foward to binge your channel now :D
Oh thank you !!! Look forward to interacting on here
Count one more subscriber! I love Lloyd he is very informative. Of course, I have come to appreciate I was not as good a Jehovah's Witness as I thought I was!
Haha that’s great, I’m glad you’re on the outside. And delighted to have you on board. Got a great episode just now with the BBC’s first blind presenter, and next week is an ex-Mormon. Hope you enjoy, and don’t hesitate to get in touch!
Andrew, Thank you. I am looking forward to enjoying more content from you. You have a very agreeable manner. (Please don't think you don't have a nice voice, you absolutely do!) Good luck to you! Remember, Lloyd didn't start with 70,000 subscribers or enough patrons to do this full time. Baby steps... it will come, I am sure of it.
Thanks Outta Darkness, that’s so great to hear. Feeling motivated now, gonna grow this channel big time! Really thankful for people like you who enjoy the content and write such supportive stuff.
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Great interview Andrew. You gained a new subscriber. When you talked about being vegetarian I loved you even more lol. I myself am vegetarian and I know what you mean, but I can't agree more with Loyd because it's a totally different thing to deal with as comparison to get out of an organization. Loyd is one of my heroes who actually helped me so much through this. And your channel is fascinating. Keep it up mate!
Ah Samuele thanks for subbing and for the kind words, it’s improved my morning! Of course you are right about the vegetarian thing - I was just joking a bit :) thanks for watching and let me know what you think of the next ones!
I thought it was selfish how parents celebrate their anniversary yet kids don't have birthdays.
I love any interview with Andrew Gold! Brilliant at what he does especially the rapport between Andrew & Aaron.
Ive lots of video's to catch up with still, I'm working backwards 😊
This guy seems rather full of himself though!
Great interviewer-a natural, amazing voice to listen to. Mr Lloyd Evans you weren't bad either😜 Subscribed and have already become a patroen, as Lloyd says you have go start somewhere, hope it grows to something big, it's will be well deserved. Though I'm an Ex-JW I am looking forward to watching your next guest whose an ex-mormon. It is good to explore others upbringings and life experiences from different religions and cultural backgrounds, so thank you for creating these type of videos.
Sarah thank you so much for those kind words and for becoming a patron! Getting there slowly, slowly...Lloyd is the best and you are too. Such a lovely ex Jw community.
I had forgotten that next week is actually going to be the BBC’s first ever blind radio presenter and her dog - honestly she’s amazing so you can’t miss her. So the ex Mormon (who is also amazing and discusses the similarities to JW) the week after!
@@AndrewGold1 I will definitely be watching ALL of your guests regardless, looking forward.
@@sarahbowden8970 Wow! I love it :D
Hi Sarah, I just saw you commented but for some reason it isn't showing up, and don't want you to think I'm ignoring you. I'm unable to read your latest one about Dr. Stuart F!
Chapeau from switzerland. Keep going. Sincerely Meret
These old vids make me realize how much I like the Chapters feature
Another great interview Andrew.
Thanks !
Hi Andrew Gold - here I am, you see! 😀
I'm a Lloyd Evans subscriber, as well as Eric Hunley, so it was only a matter of time I'd find my way here.
Barnum! 🤣
Ah yes!! You made it over. Lloyd is brilliant, I was on his show somewhere too, a couple of times I think. Or maybe it was once. I've lost my memory! I chat to Lloyd from time to time on Twitter, really lovely guy, goes out of his way to help other creators.
@@AndrewGold1 Yes, he seems a really decent guy, I watch his channel all the time - I'm not ex any religion, btw.
So I've listened to a few of your interviews today while walking the dogs, thanks for your work, am always looking for interesting content.
@@Will0wFire I love that you're listening and interacting! Makes my day that little bit sweeter :)
What are the lighted figures that go by behind him. In that tinted window, door or mirror behind him? Seen them 2 times.
I have been wondering how you are doing Lloyd! Please keep us up to date 😊
Informative and interesting
Thanks AW!
I just found you today! I consider myself to be a mystic. I study religions & lost cultures. Self study, I should say.
My favorite aunt as a child was my Aunt Vicky Gale.She became a witness and I study with her until my teens. But I was going to different churches trying to find my truth. Never did find it in any of those buildings.
I so enjoyed this video and will definitely be checking out your other videos!
Ah thank you Donna. Hope you enjoy the channel :)
Excellent interview!
You are too kind Rianne!
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@@maryannlockwood7806 Hey back at you Maryann!
@@AndrewGold1 You've got lots of Cedarites on here (the algorithms got it right). Good job, hope you get lots of subs!
@@margaretkelly7410 Lloyd is nice enough to put the thumbnail in a section of his UA-cam channel page as well, so that helped a lot I think. Hopefully you guys will stick around :) Thanks Margaret!
From your description of the South Park joke, it is a take on the Life of Brian People's Front of Judea vs The Judean People's Front.
Great interview.
Thanks Efrain! Hope you keep up with the others on my channel, good to have you aboard!
We had hand written letters in the mailbox here in Australia during covid lock downs.
70 hours in Lloyd's day which is a doddle, it was 100 hours a month previously, in the 60s and 70s, but you had to do more in order to have time off to attend their conventions.
Good job brother from Philippines
Thanks for your other comment too! And sending love and regards to you in the Philippines!
I had a similar experience: I was living on a highrise and suddenly in the middle of the night ( like 2:00 am), I got a phone call, get up and get dress and go to the basements of the building because armageddon is coming and the building will be destroyed. I thought is was a prank, I went back to sleep then in am I realized who phoned.
It sounds like an ongoing nightmare.
We have a Kingdom Hall around the corner same one they all went to. The car almost broke down there. Relieved when we got helped to be on our way before their church let out
I can relate with Andrew’s feelings about being in synagogue and having to respect rabbis no matter what horseshit they talk. I happen to experience both “faiths” and this interview is fascinating. Bringing to light such topics is very important, thank you
Ah thanks, so great to hear of similar experiences. At the moment, you feel so alone - and you come to realise so many other people think exactly the same as you!
I got a good one out tomorrow with an ex-Mormon so make sure to subscribe - and enjoy!
@@AndrewGold1 already subscribed ✨thank you!
@@not4you___ you're the best. Look forward to interacting with you on here!
My son’s best friend’s family were Witnesses. He wasn’t allowed to go to school on any day there was going to be a party. He hated it! When he was old enough, he totally left and joined a Baptist church.
you have 70 000 subscribers now :)))
Zadie Smith's dad was one of the 'Windrush' generation - great book!
Oh that’s interesting Margaret! And yes, isn’t it wonderful. Blew my mind, that book. One of my all-time favourites. Thanks for showing interest in the video!
I got a letter yesterday from the local Jehovah’s Witnesses. I was rather shocked since it was totally unsolicited, and it annoyed me that they had my name and address! I found myself imagining this man sitting at a table writing this letter because he was forced to do it. My next thought was of the children I had had as students who were members of the Jehovah's Witnesses. I found myself hoping they had found their way out of that cult. That one letter made me angry and sad for hours!
He really is NOT the leading authority on the whole community. Hes is the loudest. Its very different.
Fair enough, but bear in mind I did this way before all the allegations. Who would you say is the leading authority?
I’d never use a term like “leading authority” but I’ve started watching AltWorldly instead of Lloyd ‘I can’t master my penis’ Evans.
Ah interesting, I will look into AltWorldly.
@@daughterofthesouth714 Thank you will look them up!
Could you please switch on Closed Captioning (Subtitles) for the deaf & hard of hearing?
Would be appreciated.
I dno how to do that! It should already be on. Hmmm
Excellent!
Thanks C.T. Glad to have you aboard ! :)
A schoolmate of mine died very young of sickle cell anemia. I didn’t find out until later that her parents were JW and would not allow her to receive blood transfusions.
The hospital liaison committee are so pushy that I called them blood bouncers. lol
Ha oh my !! Thanks for watching pasta master. Hope you stick around !
I’m catching up on your videos , Andrew , so forgive me for being a little late to the party. I had a co worker who was JW. Her husband was abusive and turned her children against her. When her 11 year old came down with cancer- he needed a blood transfusion or he would die. She refused and says she’d made peace with his death. Thank goodness the dr. Went to court and got medical custody and gave him the life saving transfusion. He was so brain washed by then that they had to hold him down to give it to him and he kept banging his head on the headboard . He’s grown now so I don’t know where they are today but I can only hope they all escaped from this horrible cult.
Your channel is fantastic
thank you!
Hi, You have so good content, and so few subscribers. Subscribing now! :)
Thanks Janči, so nice of you to compliment the content. It gets a lot of listens on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. But it’s been much slower to rise on UA-cam. Still new though, so spread the word please ! I look forward to reading your comments in future
My sister was a JW for 8 years and used to carry on about how when we die we will be just floating in the universe instead of Jehovah taking us up and renewing our life and she wouldn’t have us with her - unfortunately she did have biased behaviour against some members of the family and behaved badly towards them - funny, her husband didn’t become one, and when another Witness member crapped on her financially, she finally left - she became the opposite of their doctrine which I won’t detail here other than taking up smoking and drinking- put it this way, she was more tolerable as a JW than what she became 😂😂😂😂
Grew up with a JW father - an elder but even as a child it never sat well with me. I was his only daughter that never got baptised , much to my father's dismay 😢
Great interview. I subscribed. Host has an uncanny resemblance to a young Adam Carolla.
I had to look him up, he's a handsome enough man so I will accept it haha! Thanks for subbing and I'm so glad you liked it. Got plenty of others like it, and I look forward to getting some feedback from you in the future! :D
5:36 was most informative - thank you.
It sure was. I commented on being grateful to Yooters sending me here from JWD, but it got deleted... hmmm. Maybe some people are like WT and like to limit people's access to information? Edit to say: maybe it is waiting for approval?
Hey I never censor, but UA-cam censors the weirdest things for no apparent reason. It's not in the Held for Review thing, so you might have to re-write it, sorry about that.
@@AndrewGold1 Thanks.
@@governingbodylanguage2025 Very welcome. Do stick around on the channel. Lots of former cult/religion stuff on here.
As one if his former patreons, I've never felt ripped off or mislead by him because the information he shared about JW doctrines was accurate and logical. I felt I contribute his hard work which he did and still feel the same. it's true that none of my business what he spends his money on in his private life. The reason I stopped being a patron is to stop him carry on this walk of shame what he's doing right now. He did admitted in this interview that he could make a living out if activism because of his supporters. Therefore, patrons do have a tool in their hands to stop him to run off the cliff.
Thank you.
You're welcome!
It is in Africa. I live in South Africa. Many congregations in my town.
My experience was a little different. My father was a fundamental protestant church, and I grew up believing that most people were going to hell and burning forever. I worried that my friends would think I was crazy if I told them this, but I believed it was true. I knew it was impossible to get more than a few people to believe this, so I was worried about people who were from different countries who were Buddhist, Hindu, etc. I didn't want to have children because of this.
This End of Times stuff can really mess up a kid's life. Growing up Southern Baptist, every time there was a bad thunderstorm, I was terrified it was the End. I didn't want the End to come; I wanted to live and play and eat candy and enjoy myself.
The G-d point just shows how our culture is a part of us whatever our minds think. I still feel very strange for a few seconds when I add the o.
Ha same ! O
Love lloyd. Love listening to him
Thanks !! He and I fell out recently. But hope you enjoy this channel regardless
@@AndrewGold1 Why did you fall out? What happened?
@@mailill long story, but there is a video somewhere on my channel about it! to do with him getting sex workers in thailand, not that i care what people do with their private lives, but it was complicated.
@@AndrewGold1 Ok, now I regret asking.
@@mailill sorry! :(
My sister became a Jehovah's Witness quite some time ago. When she had to have surgery about 15 years ago, she asked me to make the decisions for her if the doctor needed to have any decisions made. I told her, "you know how I feel about the blood thing, if you need it, I will approve it" She said ok, do what you think is best. A JW person came to talk to her. It was interesting because he actually told her that the blood situation, accepting it or not was up to her.
The whole not celebrating birthdays or other holidays it ridiculous.
We just moved from a small very religious city which consists of mostly JW but also Mormon and Christian followers.
We lived in two different neighbourhoods and in both I was given handwritten letters by JW in my Postal Box inviting me to come to their church. Pamphlets were left and it was incredibly persistent until the letters started to include my personal name which I found incredibly off putting. Keep in mind these boxes didn’t have our actual address or our names so how did they know which one was mine or what my name was? If I waved at my neighbours or nodded to them or said Good morning they very rarely responded. If you weren’t in the church you were NOT worthy as a person. This also applies in town at the grocery and hair salon and ice cream shop etc
My neighbours right next to us were slightly different in that they were super friendly at first and tried very hard to entice us to be JW but when they realized that we weren’t interested they refused to acknowledge us at all. No smiles, no hello, leaving the yard when we came outside or pulled into the driveway. It was a complete avoidance almost like we had an invisible plague. I found it all very interesting and I still do. I can’t imagine living a life like theirs which is a big part of the reason why we have moved.
Mothers aunt Mary never shunned any family.She never stopped trying to recruit either.
My coworker told me that he was raised as a Jehovah's Witness. He said that when he was 15, his mother needed a blood transfusion to live. He was considered "the man" in the scenario and he had to make the decision to go against his family's belief system, or let his mother die in front of him. He chose for his mother to live. And she did. His decision was not without consequence from his community. 🤯
Such weight for a youth.
@@Narrow-Pather Indeed. It broke my heart when he told me.
It's such a relief seeing these "religions" implode
Yes!!!!
I thoroughly agree with this statement! :)
This would be me and mine if he cleaned up after me. He just lets my mess fester 😂
Thanks!
No problem! Thanks for the tip Deborah, very nice of you! :)
You’ve come so far 😀
Haha yes !
Ever ever changing doctrines of jehovahs witnesses im sure brother
Thanks Gatus. It seems crazy, right? Glad you enjoyed it - make sure to subscribe and check out the other videos :)
So when I got out on my own living in the next County. I ran into a friend from Highschool who was married to this lady who was a secretary for the board of education. Which I really wanted to sit in on. I met her mother before you know it. They brought me lots of books started studdying with me. Brought my kids books. So I was freshly divorced. My daughter was 6 loaded up her father's briefcase with the JW books I went to check on her she had been going door to door with the books.A neighborhood called me and told me. I thought she was just out in the back yard playing JW. Both kids had tied 1x4 boards in my cherry tree. Put my type writer a bunch of envelopes and writing paper in a box for the office all the books in boxes. It was funny. But when I did not want to continue Cheri brought a bunch of young 20-30 something girls over to study. The more I wanted to stop the more came.
Wow, it's funny the a couple of dudes on a UA-cam channel, not even half a century old, is so full of wisdom and understanding about how there is nothing after life. If that's the case, how can you guys know what good or bad is? What measure do you use? So amazing and smart
Whereas you know what is good or bad based on a book written by a bunch of idiots 2000 years ago. A book that tells you it is bad to fondle a pigeon’s egg, good to stone gays and adulterers and you must never touch a woman in case she’s unclean. How enlightened.
@@AndrewGold1 what if the book isn’t about what’s good or bad, what if it’s about life and death and the love that found a way. based on faith?
@@debbieward9732 you just described harry potter, debbie! (i mean no disrespect- i just dont see why we should take the bible any more seriously than harry potter)
@@AndrewGold1 lol! If only I had a magic wand that could slay the kiddy fiddlers.
lloyde expert on the matter
He is the best isn’t he !
Sadly our society doesn't have much right of passage , especially for youth . Not having Birthdays is even less recognition of your important milestones .
I love how religious movements get obsessed with just one minor teaching. Seven Day Adventists are very proud that they observe sabbath on the "correct day" (Saturday) as JW do the "correct" name of God.
I think it is strange how they build these beautiful state of the art churches literally overnight yet have meetings in each others homes most of the time.Yet all the lights heat or air conditioning is on almost around the clock for their missionary pitstops
This is the video that starts with Lloyd.
Yep!
I'm trying to be supportive and watch ads for you. All the pro-christian ads are wearing my pagan nerves out.
I suppose in Christianity it is written that we should abstain from eating animals with the blood still in it because the life is in the blood and I guess that could be applied to transfusions in as much as you don't know the source of the blood necessarily. Christians do have blood transfusions though.
The truth gets distorted.
Usually they only take saline in place of blood.
My mom doesn't allow objects in her home to be fabricated with eyes . More specifically she won't abide hand made replicas of an animal or person if it's got eyes . Because only things with soul/ spirit/ spark of divine animated existence have eyes. Of the Plain folks in Pennsylvania Deitch heritage, Brethren Drunkard are one of prayer bonnet wearing groups . She was raised in this way . I'm knda understanding as to why that idea is taught , since much is told as was from the old ways. 1, being, Possibility of the idea of dark or light intentions afoot with such objects . This was taught as a general acceptance of this activity definitely existing . Note the original copy of "Sleepy Hollow" mentions an" Old German Doctor" listed as one possible reason for the paranormal activity there abouts . We still have these healers here , that apply what others would call white witch / faith / herbal healing . Some of these practitioners have, in history, taken a turn towards nefarious. Anyway long story short , if they've known the benefits of the positive (Healing) side of what others would call superstition, then most will err on the side of caution by keeping little guidelines just in case anyone would wish them ill. Moreover Mom won't make one of these likenesses herself , even for her own home . 2, It may also be a respect thing . Like God makes things with divine attributes, not me . Note among Amish woodworking , their toys too will not have eyes. Anyway these type of guidelines are mostly just tradition now for most part , and less a religious big to-do.
My step mum and my dad(rip) are JW I'm not, my brother is not and is gay, I've met their JW friends and none have been cultish, haven't turned their backs on family. Even when our own lifestyle isn't what the JW teach they have always been gracious, accepting and we are always still welcome in their home.
85% of my last, of the last congregation were born in
Actually is there ANYBODY not previously connected with Watchtower who has recently got baptized?
Omg is Andrew covert fade?? Sounds just like him🧐
I don't know who that is. But then, I would say that, wouldn't I!? :) Thanks for watching bella Butterflies, hope you stick around!
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Watching this in January 2023. Andrew, l hope you don’t mind me saying this, but l think you’re over-working and neglecting your well being. It’s normal that you look 2 yrs younger! We all age inevitably. But you look much healthier and slimmer! Please get enough rest and don’t work too hard! 🙏☺️💖
Shame he wants to sue you now // great interview
Thanks Douglas !
JW in Japan are rude and persistent fisher of men. I had encountered them many times.. not really encountered but them knocking on my door almost 4x a week until the last time they sent young girls to my house. Hubby hated this salesmen as he called them. I'm catholic but not a practicing one hubby a zen bokyu (Buddhism.) For four years I patiently and gracefully turned them down outside when they insisted of coming in to house and hubby told me not to let anyone in strangers like them. When these three young girls insisted to preach I asked their names and told them to stay put outside I M GOING TO CALL THE POLICE. THEY IMMEDIATELY SAID SORRY AND TOLD THEM
.. ... if ever YOU COME BACK TO proselytize again expect I'm going to call the police.. AND THANKFULLY NO ONE CAME AND ITS 5 YEARS SINCE THEY LAST CAME HERE
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Sad to give him the plateau...
In the late 60's the arch bishop of Santa fe new mexico. decreed catholics would be ex-communicated if they watched a film at Don Pancho's Art theater. I was surprised how good it felt to be ex-communicated. and believe it or not. i was a believer at the time. I was seventeen, and the movie was A Man and a Woman. I guess i felt like i was going to hell, but i was most likely to go to hell if i kept on trying to follow all those stupid rules any way. BTW he also forbade elvis movies. crazy world.
I'm broke but if I wasn't I'd help Patreon is a great way and so is adding cash app and/ or PayPal so people can tip you for your content, also having m members that are monthly that pay for the privilege of asking questions first in the que and a mod can help you with that
That put me against JW not giving blood transfession. I believe in saving lives. New Zealand.
He’s one of the more well known activists but he’s not the “leading authority”. Great interview though
I love what you do, I just am not comfortable with sending money via internet. I am an Older person
Watch A Glimpse of Eternity with Ian McCormack an atheist who got stung by a box Jellyfish night diving in Mauritius and how he died and met God. It's on UA-cam.
Is he for real?? I grew up in JW religion, got baptised at 16, left 21. Yes, it is a cult and has strange beliefs, has caused trauma to so many but I have to say not once did I ever do or hear about Armageddon drills!
I think in their case it is a level of control make sure nobody celebrates and does the will of their founder