Maybe you already considered it for a Q&A: How many ships of which navies had to be deployed to keep the Austrians in the Adriatic (or the Turksin Marmara)? Thx & Cheers from Austria
Have you ever heard of Kaiserreich basically a alternate history mod of a game that ask the question what if Germany Won World War I in it they mention a Dreadnaught Race that happens after the War between the Germans and British. Do you think that race would continue following a central powers victory? Or speed up? Or just wind down?
For all the jokes about how AH was a land-nation and not a naval-nation it never ceases to amaze me that their naval game was still on par with the other major powers.
The outnumbered Austrian navy had previously defeated the Italian navy at the decisive Battle of Lissa in 1866 during the Third Italian War of Independence. The Austrians led by Admiral Tegetthoff, in what I can only describe as a steampunk brawl both sides containing old wooden pure sail ships(one ship of the line), wooden paddleships, wooden screwships, and modern ironclads engaged in a close quarters firefight so close that Tegetthoff famously ordered his ship to ram the enemy. Surprisingly to many the Austrian fleet had won and Tegetthoff was hailed as an Austrian Nelson, this battle playing a key role in naval development as many foreign observers looked to learn from a very rare moment of warfare during the Victorian Pax Britannica. Tegetthoff and the navy were favored by in court thanks to his close friend Prince Maximillian(brother of the emperor) who rose through the enlisted ranks by merit and was made commander in chief of the navy. This connection proved to be invaluable as the traditionally land based power of Austria was stubborn to raise funds for a modern battlefleet. After many pulled strings the Austro-Hungarian bureaucracy managed to modernize and professionalize the long neglected institution, Austria-Hungary was an empire of many ethnicities, therefore sailors spoke a myriad of tongues so officers had to be fluent in many languages. Multilingualism was enforced throughout the officer corps(in the army too) and this produced many intelligent and skilled communicators for command roles(one of these being Admiral Horthy who would go on to become the regent of Hungary in absence of the king and ruled from 1920 to 1944). They even managed to construct the appropriately named the Tegetthoff class which were on paper decent to well made dreadnoughts. Finally bringing us to the very first hours after the Italian Declaration of War on Austria-Hungary in 1916, the Imperial fleet quickly blockaded the totally unaware Italian Fleet still at anchor and bombarding them in their base at Ancona.
That whole “rather than war, wage marriage” thing seemed to have served Austria-Hungary quite well for a long time. It’s just a shame that the Royal Uterus couldn’t produce dreadnoughts when not being used to produce heirs.
@@admiraltiberius1989 I was going to suggest that would make you positively ancient, but your youtube handle would suggest that the 19th century is recent history for you.
Austria-Hungary's main naval base was at Pola, where the heavily protected fleet anchorage lay. The system of Pola's base defences included many auxilliary artillery batteries and smaller naval bases (housing torpedo boats and similair craft) strewn around the northern Adriatic, ending in the south with the islands of Cres and Lošinj. There were other smaller bases meant for coastal defence (housing more fast attack craft) across Dalmatia and its islands, and that ended with the base at Cattaro, which was the other major naval base aside from Pola (though still much smaller than Pola). Pola and Cattaro were the bases where most major fleet units were anchored, with the other small bases mainly serving as nests for torpedo craft and/or destroyers (at best). The Imperial and Royal Navy's theater of operations was mainly limited to the Adriatic sea, aside from it's submarine arm, which operated across the Mediterranean as well.
Very interesting never built class of battleships. I think it would be on par with the Italian dreadnoughts and the French dreadnoughts. However, it would be heavily outclassed by the British super dreadnoughts.
all of the technology (of the time) going into these ships - metallurgy, ballistics, rangefinding, analog computers, radio, etc. ALL of this dependent upon men shoveling coal into boilers. I wonder if anyone appreciated the irony.
It would bi either Ersatz Monarch, or Improved Tegetthoff class (as Ersatz Monarch was used only once in a newspaper, the planned ships itself were called improved Tegetthoff by the navy and officials)
Suggestion: The A-150 designs. (Totaly not because WoWs is putting one into the game, and I cannot find any info about the other than they were supposed to have 510mm guns) Edit, I originally wrote 510cm guns, not even in the wet dreams of the impreial japanese navy was that considered.
They are actually improved Shinano in type. Shinano has a slightly lighter belt than Yamato, but had the excellent 3.9" gun in 5 x twin mounts per side in place of the older 5" guns on Yamato. Overall a greatly improved AA suite, but very similar otherwise. The A-150's are scaled up versions, thicker armour, bigger guns, greater tonnage, but otherwise similar. The speed is disputed, 25kts was a minimum aimed for, with 27kts being optimal. Wargaming would be better using the Shinano battleship than the A-150 as it is likely to break the game as the guns will penetrate pretty much anything, and the armour is likely proof against most shells over about 15km.
@Nguyen Johnathan - It would have carried the 100mm/3.9" guns as secondaries, and not had the mass of 25MM AA guns along the deck edge as Yamato had as there were late war additions, no plans up until late-42 had masses of light AA as per Yamato in 1945, so they would have taken the form of the improved Yamato design that was Shinano.
Saw the title, immediately wondered if this was originally released on an April 1st? "Ersatz Monarch" sounds like the first ship built after a revolution deposing the king.
out of curiousity Drach, at the beggining of the video why did you use that war flag that was never implemented (according to wikipedia, I literally did not find any other sources for that), if that was a joke on the ship not being launched either it was brilliant I must say
I noticed that there are two smaller calibre guns on top of the twin superfiring turrets, this seems to me a pretty bad job to be landed with manning, would I be correct in thinking they wouldn’t be manned if the main guns were in operation?
MUCH better place to serve than the open AA batteries on some ships on the bow, just before the lower of superfiring main turrets. But - as Drach pointed out in one of the Drydocks - these guns were placed in the hope, that your bucket does not have to fight torpedo boats/destroyers, other capital ships AND some aircraft all at once. So, when the main guns were fired, the guncrew could be sheltered somewhere under deck.
Karl von Gazenberg : many thanks for the reply, would have been interesting to see if they had still been in the final design, the open design looks at tad optimistic, even if the main guns weren’t firing , but it did, completely unrealistically, imagine poor gun crew being hurled off the ship if a main battery fired.
@@davieturner339 Looks, this is the modell of the SMS Zrínyi, AFAIK it is accurate, and this late pre-dred (actually they were post-Dreadnaught pre-Preadnoughts ;) ) with open mounts on top of the main 30,5 cm AND on top of the unusually heavy 24cm secondary turrets. images.app.goo.gl/thbupeRiVZwiz3oZ7
This is similar to HMS Dreadnaught and other ships of the Dreadnaught era. Seems a waste to have all that open area where light guns could be placed and not use it I guess?
Are you going to do teghetoff or is that ear marked for specials? Also Are you going to rexamine the playlists as some videos aren't there or miss filed?
That's the coat of arms of the Hungarian part of the dual monarchy, topped by a representation of the Hungarian crown, the Crown of St. Stephen. The crown itself dates from the 11th century and has had quite a tumultuous history. On one occasion the cross got bent, perhaps by the closing of the lid of some chest it was stored in. The damage wasn't repaired, and the crown has been depicted in heraldry with the crooked cross ever since.
It's not a name. The translation is basically "replacement" or substitute. For example. In both wars, but especially the first, the Germans were very low on commodities. In ww1 German troops had erzats coffee which was gravy granuals (because they couldn't get real coffee). In this case it basically means "the replacement for the monarch class"
A-H didn´t really have the funds to build such ships. Should have done it the "Swedish-way" of building a specialized fleet of small crafts. Except A-H had plans of going out of the Adriatic sea to colonize something... is there anything known about such plans?
To be correct they had the money for a larger navy they just had difficulty assigning it to the navy. This was because due to the way AH was run both the Austrian and Hungarian Parliaments had to agree on a budget and hungrey due to being more landlocked never liked prioritising naval construction. They only agreed to the Teg class after it was agreed that one of the ships would be built by Hungarian companies. Said companies lacked the experience and skills needed for warship construction and as such were late and produced a ship with more issues than its sister ships. Additionally AH didn't have the colonial commitments to warrent a large navy. They just needed something that could dab on the Italians in the Adriatic.
Well, they did need a fleet to match the often very openly aggressive Italians. Specialized small craft won't cut it against a well rounded and competently led fully fledged surface force. And the Empire did have the money required, it just lacked the political willingness (most of the time) to invest it in the Navy. As a previous commenter mentioned, the Hungarians tended to block naval programs (though, to be fair, they tended to block *all* common Army and Navy armament programs). Plus, the Ersatz Monarchs were approved in the end.
Having "Indivisible and Inseparable" on your coat of arms does not bode well for the country concerned. A bit like naming a ship "Invincible" and we all know what happened there ...
No. Not a request for a review, but a link to Azure Lane, quite possibly the weirdest anime and game series ever produces. Imagine Jane's Fighting Ships ans soft core porn meets Sailor Moon and you have this series. No, I am not affiliated with this series in any way. I just wanted to bring this series to the attention of our community dues to its emphasis on WW II warships. ua-cam.com/video/O-UFn_FsNh8/v-deo.html
Pinned post for Q&A :)
Maybe you already considered it for a Q&A: How many ships of which navies had to be deployed to keep the Austrians in the Adriatic (or the Turksin Marmara)?
Thx & Cheers from Austria
Can you do a video on the SMS Szent István battleship or about the SMS Tátra class destroyers
Have you ever heard of Kaiserreich basically a alternate history mod of a game that ask the question what if Germany Won World War I in it they mention a Dreadnaught Race that happens after the War between the Germans and British. Do you think that race would continue following a central powers victory? Or speed up? Or just wind down?
What do you think about the Yugoslav Destroyer Split? She has interesting story, would you mind to make a video on her?
@@mrcs1037 Nézd csak:
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A Tegethoff osztály már megvan. A Tátrákra, Huszárokra még várni kell.
For all the jokes about how AH was a land-nation and not a naval-nation it never ceases to amaze me that their naval game was still on par with the other major powers.
The outnumbered Austrian navy had previously defeated the Italian navy at the decisive Battle of Lissa in 1866 during the Third Italian War of Independence. The Austrians led by Admiral Tegetthoff, in what I can only describe as a steampunk brawl both sides containing old wooden pure sail ships(one ship of the line), wooden paddleships, wooden screwships, and modern ironclads engaged in a close quarters firefight so close that Tegetthoff famously ordered his ship to ram the enemy. Surprisingly to many the Austrian fleet had won and Tegetthoff was hailed as an Austrian Nelson, this battle playing a key role in naval development as many foreign observers looked to learn from a very rare moment of warfare during the Victorian Pax Britannica. Tegetthoff and the navy were favored by in court thanks to his close friend Prince Maximillian(brother of the emperor) who rose through the enlisted ranks by merit and was made commander in chief of the navy. This connection proved to be invaluable as the traditionally land based power of Austria was stubborn to raise funds for a modern battlefleet. After many pulled strings the Austro-Hungarian bureaucracy managed to modernize and professionalize the long neglected institution, Austria-Hungary was an empire of many ethnicities, therefore sailors spoke a myriad of tongues so officers had to be fluent in many languages. Multilingualism was enforced throughout the officer corps(in the army too) and this produced many intelligent and skilled communicators for command roles(one of these being Admiral Horthy who would go on to become the regent of Hungary in absence of the king and ruled from 1920 to 1944). They even managed to construct the appropriately named the Tegetthoff class which were on paper decent to well made dreadnoughts. Finally bringing us to the very first hours after the Italian Declaration of War on Austria-Hungary in 1916, the Imperial fleet quickly blockaded the totally unaware Italian Fleet still at anchor and bombarding them in their base at Ancona.
On par with, or exceeding. Nobody was armouring ships heavily, yet, but AH was fully arming their ships, not wasting hull space on two gun turrets.
The Austro-Hungarian Navy had some pretty fantastic moments over the course of its short career. This design is pretty cool, too!
That whole “rather than war, wage marriage” thing seemed to have served Austria-Hungary quite well for a long time. It’s just a shame that the Royal Uterus couldn’t produce dreadnoughts when not being used to produce heirs.
Would have been inbred, too !
Last time I was this early, Terror and Erebus were still free of the pack ice.
Fantastic video as always Drach.
Just looking forward to the tinned food stuffs, huh?
@@davidbrennan660 oh yes and the ever present impending doom.
@@admiraltiberius1989 I was going to suggest that would make you positively ancient, but your youtube handle would suggest that the 19th century is recent history for you.
@@LazyTestudines well you know ice has amazing preservation qualities.
Exellent work!we watch from Greece
Thanks so much for all the work re-doing the older videos with a human voice version Drach. Its such an improvement.
Thank you, from Tasmania Australia, it's very appreciated
Ah, Austria-Hungary the best empire
Certainly the Memeiest.
How about Australia-Hungary?
Can hear that music playing before the video even starts.
Wow,,, caught this episode less than a minute after posting,,,,,,,, yay Drach and breakfast.
I seem to get the notification 40 minutes after its up. Lol
Q&A: Could please expound upon Austria-Hungary's naval bases and where their effective theater of operations were during the lead up and into WWI?
Austria-Hungary's main naval base was at Pola, where the heavily protected fleet anchorage lay. The system of Pola's base defences included many auxilliary artillery batteries and smaller naval bases (housing torpedo boats and similair craft) strewn around the northern Adriatic, ending in the south with the islands of Cres and Lošinj. There were other smaller bases meant for coastal defence (housing more fast attack craft) across Dalmatia and its islands, and that ended with the base at Cattaro, which was the other major naval base aside from Pola (though still much smaller than Pola). Pola and Cattaro were the bases where most major fleet units were anchored, with the other small bases mainly serving as nests for torpedo craft and/or destroyers (at best). The Imperial and Royal Navy's theater of operations was mainly limited to the Adriatic sea, aside from it's submarine arm, which operated across the Mediterranean as well.
Like, coffee, dust off Admiral Horthy's picture on the wall :)))
I am sat here, reading your comments and a coffee at hand. No picture of Admiral Horthy though there is a Wikipedia article with his picture.
Thanks drach
Very interesting never built class of battleships. I think it would be on par with the Italian dreadnoughts and the French dreadnoughts. However, it would be heavily outclassed by the British super dreadnoughts.
Nice to see Incomparable even if it has nothing to do with the subject!
I do like the look of battleships of this era.
all of the technology (of the time) going into these ships - metallurgy, ballistics, rangefinding, analog computers, radio, etc. ALL of this dependent upon men shoveling coal into boilers. I wonder if anyone appreciated the irony.
Thanks!
Published 8 minutes ago and 33 likes... I think Drach has a following of netstalkers...
It would bi either Ersatz Monarch, or Improved Tegetthoff class (as Ersatz Monarch was used only once in a newspaper, the planned ships itself were called improved Tegetthoff by the navy and officials)
if the Germans can pump out ships like you pumping out video they could of won the war
Only if their oil production matched, but yea
@@arionerron4273 Coal was not a problem.
@@wolfsoldner9029 Unfortunately, the A-H fleet did suffer coal shortage.
They'd also need to step up their production of ammo, spare parts, and trained crews.
Nonna_SoF yes, we need more factories to produce trained crews
Just watched the newer version of this video.
Suggestion: The A-150 designs. (Totaly not because WoWs is putting one into the game, and I cannot find any info about the other than they were supposed to have 510mm guns)
Edit, I originally wrote 510cm guns, not even in the wet dreams of the impreial japanese navy was that considered.
They are actually improved Shinano in type. Shinano has a slightly lighter belt than Yamato, but had the excellent 3.9" gun in 5 x twin mounts per side in place of the older 5" guns on Yamato. Overall a greatly improved AA suite, but very similar otherwise. The A-150's are scaled up versions, thicker armour, bigger guns, greater tonnage, but otherwise similar. The speed is disputed, 25kts was a minimum aimed for, with 27kts being optimal. Wargaming would be better using the Shinano battleship than the A-150 as it is likely to break the game as the guns will penetrate pretty much anything, and the armour is likely proof against most shells over about 15km.
@Nguyen Johnathan That just makes it another fantasy ship then as that is not what the Japanese intended.
@Nguyen Johnathan - It would have carried the 100mm/3.9" guns as secondaries, and not had the mass of 25MM AA guns along the deck edge as Yamato had as there were late war additions, no plans up until late-42 had masses of light AA as per Yamato in 1945, so they would have taken the form of the improved Yamato design that was Shinano.
5.1 metres?!? Yikes! ;)
it should read 510mm.
Saw the title, immediately wondered if this was originally released on an April 1st? "Ersatz Monarch" sounds like the first ship built after a revolution deposing the king.
At first glance I thought it was HMS Hood!
out of curiousity Drach, at the beggining of the video why did you use that war flag that was never implemented (according to wikipedia, I literally did not find any other sources for that), if that was a joke on the ship not being launched either it was brilliant I must say
What was with the oddball caps the Austro-Hungarians put on their warships' funnels?
What caps do you mean ?
Wonder if wows will ever add these to their game
It always amazes me that you can actualy pronounce german words correctly :)
Did you know that is my great grandfather s ship
I noticed that there are two smaller calibre guns on top of the twin superfiring turrets, this seems to me a pretty bad job to be landed with manning, would I be correct in thinking they wouldn’t be manned if the main guns were in operation?
MUCH better place to serve than the open AA batteries on some ships on the bow, just before the lower of superfiring main turrets. But - as Drach pointed out in one of the Drydocks - these guns were placed in the hope, that your bucket does not have to fight torpedo boats/destroyers, other capital ships AND some aircraft all at once.
So, when the main guns were fired, the guncrew could be sheltered somewhere under deck.
Karl von Gazenberg : many thanks for the reply, would have been interesting to see if they had still been in the final design, the open design looks at tad optimistic, even if the main guns weren’t firing , but it did, completely unrealistically, imagine poor gun crew being hurled off the ship if a main battery fired.
@@davieturner339 Looks, this is the modell of the SMS Zrínyi, AFAIK it is accurate, and this late pre-dred (actually they were post-Dreadnaught pre-Preadnoughts ;) ) with open mounts on top of the main 30,5 cm AND on top of the unusually heavy 24cm secondary turrets.
images.app.goo.gl/thbupeRiVZwiz3oZ7
This is similar to HMS Dreadnaught and other ships of the Dreadnaught era. Seems a waste to have all that open area where light guns could be placed and not use it I guess?
Well now, if only they held their urge for war, we might have a better understanding of the ships, but it’s just my opinion
Are you going to do teghetoff or is that ear marked for specials? Also Are you going to rexamine the playlists as some videos aren't there or miss filed?
ua-cam.com/video/5Ikgi6qMAzg/v-deo.html
Thank you but I meant a human voiced version as Teghetoff seems to have been missed
Why the tilted cross on the right coat of arms?
That's the coat of arms of the Hungarian part of the dual monarchy, topped by a representation of the Hungarian crown, the Crown of St. Stephen. The crown itself dates from the 11th century and has had quite a tumultuous history. On one occasion the cross got bent, perhaps by the closing of the lid of some chest it was stored in. The damage wasn't repaired, and the crown has been depicted in heraldry with the crooked cross ever since.
@@jerkoj9259 Thank you very much for the detailed information. 👍
Human voice.. MUCH BETTER. I'd delete all the text to speech stuff.
So is Ersatz in this case a name or the word?
It's not a name. The translation is basically "replacement" or substitute.
For example.
In both wars, but especially the first, the Germans were very low on commodities. In ww1 German troops had erzats coffee which was gravy granuals (because they couldn't get real coffee).
In this case it basically means "the replacement for the monarch class"
A-H didn´t really have the funds to build such ships. Should have done it the "Swedish-way" of building a specialized fleet of small crafts.
Except A-H had plans of going out of the Adriatic sea to colonize something... is there anything known about such plans?
To be correct they had the money for a larger navy they just had difficulty assigning it to the navy. This was because due to the way AH was run both the Austrian and Hungarian Parliaments had to agree on a budget and hungrey due to being more landlocked never liked prioritising naval construction. They only agreed to the Teg class after it was agreed that one of the ships would be built by Hungarian companies. Said companies lacked the experience and skills needed for warship construction and as such were late and produced a ship with more issues than its sister ships.
Additionally AH didn't have the colonial commitments to warrent a large navy. They just needed something that could dab on the Italians in the Adriatic.
Well, they did need a fleet to match the often very openly aggressive Italians. Specialized small craft won't cut it against a well rounded and competently led fully fledged surface force. And the Empire did have the money required, it just lacked the political willingness (most of the time) to invest it in the Navy. As a previous commenter mentioned, the Hungarians tended to block naval programs (though, to be fair, they tended to block *all* common Army and Navy armament programs). Plus, the Ersatz Monarchs were approved in the end.
It's actually 5 minutes...
Having "Indivisible and Inseparable" on your coat of arms does not bode well for the country concerned. A bit like naming a ship "Invincible" and we all know what happened there ...
No. Not a request for a review, but a link to Azure Lane, quite possibly the weirdest anime and game series ever produces. Imagine Jane's Fighting Ships ans soft core porn meets Sailor Moon and you have this series. No, I am not affiliated with this series in any way. I just wanted to bring this series to the attention of our community dues to its emphasis on WW II warships.
ua-cam.com/video/O-UFn_FsNh8/v-deo.html
@Nguyen Johnathan I didn't write that I liked the series, I just found it interesting.