I think this is a smart move for FORD. And the "virtual" advantage the DIESEL option may have over the V10 GAS option fades away. First the V10 GAS F650 will be $8,000 less than de DIESEL option. The fuel consumption advantage the DIESEL option has over the V10 (10%) even goes away if you consider that the DIESEL option NEEDS an aditional aditive called DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID for proper operation of the SCR SYSTEM. Add to that the DIESEL PARTICULATE FILTER wich consumes DIESEL fuel on its REGEN
No the numbers for this engine aren't astronomical, but the engine is tuned to achieve its best numbers at a lower engine speed (rpm). The EcoBoost v-6 doesnt hit 365 hp til 5500 rpm, and 420 lbft til 3500rpm, where as the v-10 hits 362hp at 4750 rpm and 457 lbft at 2500 rpm. What that means is you dont have to run the engine as hard. Lower engine speed = less fuel use and ultimately longer engine life . The Ecoboost is a great engine, but theyre designed for different uses different purposes.
@ShepperdW You should watch the video over again. Ford says they think they can narrow the difference between gas and diesel in the F-650 application to about 10 percent (in favor of diesel). The latest national average for fuel shows diesel costing $.40 more than RUG plus you'll pay an extra $8,000 for a diesel over a gas engine at purchase time. Ford is betting states (many of which are facing budget problems) will opt for a lower-priced truck that runs on gas instead of diesel.
@wilburfudd 362hp 457ft lb torque. The torque is the important number. Horsepower isnt what does the work. Also the RPM at which the HP/TQ is made also matters. The V-10 will have a wider power band that starts and less RPM.
@Zephas99 Good god. Could you imagine the sheer power that beast would have? Even a twin turbo V V T and high pressure direct injection on the 5.4 would be awesome.
@FordNissanChevy Yeah I know, it's not meant to be a high performance engine. But then, why did they go for a nearly 7l big gas guzzling V10 instead of a much more economical V8 or even V6 that produces the same ammount of power and torque?
With CNG running about $2 a gallon, how can the $4 diesel compete at all? LNG is also around $2 per gallon. The conversion and tanks will only cost a few hundred dollas, then the running cost per mile will be much lower than a diesel truck.
@Lambo6fo The Ranger, F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, and F-550 are all light-duty trucks. The F-650 and F-750 are medium-duty trucks. Ford doesn't make any heavy-duty truck (those are produced by companies such as Freightliner, International, Mack, Peterbilt, and Volvo).
@telj1 Yes, and? Who says that a work truck has to have a V8 or even a V10 like this one? A good V6 would make the same ammount of power and torque, while using much less gas than the V10. So why not use one?
pounds feet? If this guy weren't reading this he would know that it's foot pounds. He stutters on it too because he knows something wrong with the script. So don't hate on this guy, hate on the people that wrote his script.
i know nothing about trucks, forgive my ignorance, but the power numbers seem compatible low for such a big engine no? am i completely missing something? i know the price difference is huge and their is no comparisons but forgive me for saying, some mercedes top 800 torques and the they're coming from v8s. Again, forgive the ignorance.
@Ji99i3 Making an engine put out more power causes excess stress on the engine, as does pulling around 20,000 lbs. They could make this engine put out 800lb/ft, but doing that combined with the very heavy loads it will have to cope with will destroy the engine very quickly...They are aiming for longevity and low cost operation, not performance
imagine if they would have done the variable valve timing and all that new stuff like on the new "5.0L mustang" to that V10.. WITH ECOBOOST!! omg.. that shit would PWN!!
Wow, a gasoline commercial truck that will comparable to a diesel?, image what kind of power or energy savings they can achieve from a real diesel truck incorporating these latest technology.
@ratmtbola So why not use one??? hmmmm..... you let me know of a heavy work duty v6/v8 truck that is successful @ it's task. NON-diesel But then again I'm no engineer. I'd like to believe they'd push out the most efficient overall product that is possible @ the time to benefit the company. Most passenger car engines are getting smaller/more efficient. Maybe in a few years more options on larger vehicles will follow...????
$8,000 less than the DIESEL option. No need to worry about SELECTIVE CATALYTIC REDUCTION (SCR), DIESEL EXAUST FLUID (DEF), DIESEL PARTICULATE FILTER (DPF), DPF REGENERATION CYCLE (REGEN-wich consumes DIESEL FUEL) HIGH DIESEL FUEL PRICES, HIGH DIESEL REPAIR COSTS, 36% MORE COST TO OPERARE MODERN DIESEL ENGINES...Well, where is the DIESEL option advantage now??? DIESEL MPG??? Shattered by it's need for DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID and high MANTAINANCE and OPERATION COSTS. Don't blame me, is E.P.A's fault.
@telj1 You want to know a heavy work duty truck with a V6/V8 that's succesful? Just turn your head to Europe or Japan (or basically anywhere outside and the US) and you'll see nothing else besides V6's and V8's in heavy duty work trucks. And if a V8 or V6 can get the exact same ammount of power AND torque, while getting much better mileage, then why not use? Thise huge V10 is just a huge waste of gas.
Take that junk 6.8 out and make an Ecoboost with the new 5.0 block... If the 3.5 Ecoboost makes 365hp and 420lbs/ft imagine how deadly a 5.0 would be..
Haha emissions... People really follow those rules? Haha I have a ford v10 in my 250 and a torquey cummins for my other... Use red diesel in my cummins, ford costs me quite a bit... But both tow the same dodge might be a little on the fast side...
@rebelsike Yay but whoever buys this truck as a V10 then the are stupid i hate cummins but if i were to get this truck i would get the cummins in it just because it would be gas hog and it doesnt putout as much horses and torque
Wow, this is a huge fail. Gas engine several ton vehicle = heart attack at the pump. Any respectful person will calculate fuel costs and see for a heavy duty work truck a diesel is the clear winner by miles.
this engine was kind of sluggish in the super duty, i could only imagine how much of a dog this thing will be in this big ass thing. and the sterring wheel, ford hasn;'t used that steering wheel since what? like 2005? got that freshened up interior with an old steering wheel. we'll see how this truck performs, with 457 lb ft of tq, this thing shouldnt be too bad.
HAVE U NOT THIS....6.8 365 HP 460TRQ...THATS A BEAST.....THE 5.7 HEMI IN A 06 MEGA CAB HAS 320HP 420TRQ IS A BEAST TOO.....SO TRUST ME 6.8 WILL HAVE NO ISSUES TOWING ESPECIALLY IF ITS GEARED CORRECTLY! IT TOWS LIKE A DIESEL BUT AT A SLOWER PACE....BUT IF U PUT A GAS ENGINE IN A HOT HOT DESERT DAY 120°AGAINST A DIESEL...GAS ENGINE WILL TOW BETTER THEN IN A REGULAR 70° DAY ....DIESELS TOW BEST IN COLDER WEATHER.
DONT WRONG WHERE I SAID IT WILL TOW BETTER THEN A DIESEL...CUZ IT WONT I MEANT IT WILL TO BETTER IN THE HOTTER DAY THEN REGULAR DAY.. DIESEL WILL TOW THE SAME ALWAYS ..NO CHANGE..BUT GAS ENGINES LUV 100°WEATHER ,DIESELS LUV 40°BELOW.
6.8l V10 and only 362hp? Really? What bullshit. And the torque aint that great either. Other manufacturers get the same ammount of power and torque from a much smaller V6 / inline-6. And that while getting way better mileage than this huge V10 aswell. As great as Fords latest cars and trucks might be ... hands down, they still can't build good engines. The new V6 EcoBoost engines might be an exception, but then again, those were designed and first built in Europe ...
NOT REALLY BRO....A V10 HAS ENOUGH POWER TO TOW ANY TRAILER U THROW AT IT....REMEMBER WHEN A DIESEL BREAKS ....U WILL BREAK THE BANK! NOT IN A V10....HAVE U EVER SEEN A MILLION MILE V10?...I HAVE & IT STILL RUNS GOOD...MY EXCUR BARELY HAS 130K...TOWS LIKE A BEAST. I PUT THE 3V IN IT 365 HP 450 TRQ...I HAVE A SUPER CHARGER FOR IT BUT IM NOT SURE ABOUT IT BCUZ IT WILL SUCK GAS LIKE A TANK.
WOW Something that expensive looks extremely ugly inside. They could’ve done a better job with the steering wheel. It just looks like a bunch of bullshit hope you’re going to be moving a big O house pretty much worthless.. 200 gallon tank?🤔
This is stupid putting a gas enging in a truck this size. I can see this getting great gas milliage thats for sure NOT. And the tree huggers can kiss my u know what with their emissions crap. the fuel milliage sucks and its chocking out the engine. People say what you want but for me if your gonna dish out the money for this size on a truck your gonna want disel hands down.
This is a great invesment, this truck would be capable of doing anything
We have a 15 f750 with the V10 it towes a backhoe. Pulles very well and gets about 7 mpg towing.
I think this is a smart move for FORD. And the "virtual" advantage the DIESEL option may have over the V10 GAS option fades away. First the V10 GAS F650 will be $8,000 less than de DIESEL option. The fuel consumption advantage the DIESEL option has over the V10 (10%) even goes away if you consider that the DIESEL option NEEDS an aditional aditive called DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID for proper operation of the SCR SYSTEM. Add to that the DIESEL PARTICULATE FILTER wich consumes DIESEL fuel on its REGEN
No the numbers for this engine aren't astronomical, but the engine is tuned to achieve its best numbers at a lower engine speed (rpm). The EcoBoost v-6 doesnt hit 365 hp til 5500 rpm, and 420 lbft til 3500rpm, where as the v-10 hits 362hp at 4750 rpm and 457 lbft at 2500 rpm. What that means is you dont have to run the engine as hard. Lower engine speed = less fuel use and ultimately longer engine life . The Ecoboost is a great engine, but theyre designed for different uses different purposes.
@ShepperdW You should watch the video over again. Ford says they think they can narrow the difference between gas and diesel in the F-650 application to about 10 percent (in favor of diesel). The latest national average for fuel shows diesel costing $.40 more than RUG plus you'll pay an extra $8,000 for a diesel over a gas engine at purchase time. Ford is betting states (many of which are facing budget problems) will opt for a lower-priced truck that runs on gas instead of diesel.
@wilburfudd 362hp 457ft lb torque. The torque is the important number. Horsepower isnt what does the work. Also the RPM at which the HP/TQ is made also matters. The V-10 will have a wider power band that starts and less RPM.
@wilburfudd It's a truck, not a sports car. How much torque does your car have to plow a street?
if its geared right it will pull good
@Zephas99 Good god. Could you imagine the sheer power that beast would have? Even a twin turbo V V T and high pressure direct injection on the 5.4 would be awesome.
With the right gearing I'm positive 90% of the people that will own one of these won't notice the difference in power from the diesels.
that steering wheel is huge
@wilburfudd lower HP means better mileage/gallon and more torque at lower RPM.
What about doing an eco-boost make-over on that V10?
Uhm the f350 superduty has a 6.8 liter v10 as well?
@FordNissanChevy Yeah I know, it's not meant to be a high performance engine. But then, why did they go for a nearly 7l big gas guzzling V10 instead of a much more economical V8 or even V6 that produces the same ammount of power and torque?
Yea because getting 2 mpg fully loaded is awesome. Geniuses at Ford
@ShepperdW nevermind. Or: I don't think we have different opinions, maybe some misunderstanding on my part. or your part. I'm fine.
With CNG running about $2 a gallon, how can the $4 diesel compete at all?
LNG is also around $2 per gallon. The conversion and tanks will only cost a few hundred dollas, then the running cost per mile will be much lower than a diesel truck.
@Zephas99 How about a Twin-SC??
@ShepperdW No, he's not. Dieselengines only pay off doing miles, miles and more miles (Transport etc.)
Yeah But the 6.8 V10 puts out somewhere in the 400 range
@Lambo6fo The Ranger, F-150, F-250, F-350, F-450, and F-550 are all light-duty trucks. The F-650 and F-750 are medium-duty trucks. Ford doesn't make any heavy-duty truck (those are produced by companies such as Freightliner, International, Mack, Peterbilt, and Volvo).
Sealed beams in 2011 ?
No crew cab?
@psygtr22 The gas one doesnt put out as much horses or torque thts wat i ment
@telj1 Yes, and? Who says that a work truck has to have a V8 or even a V10 like this one? A good V6 would make the same ammount of power and torque, while using much less gas than the V10. So why not use one?
looks like anaheim and orange county found a new, just fucking great
How much is this monster!?
@ratmtbola You do realize this a work truck, medium duty???
Hmmmmm pretty nice but ill keep my F-650 a 6 speed automatic diesel 6.8L 220 HP 540 TRQ Cummings engine thank u
FORD MOTOR CO.please pay attention to this...Time to get an ECO-BOOST upgrade for the 6.8 V10! And make true that 7.0 V8 ECO-BOOST being rumored.
@lostchildren It's vintage :D
pounds feet? If this guy weren't reading this he would know that it's foot pounds. He stutters on it too because he knows something wrong with the script. So don't hate on this guy, hate on the people that wrote his script.
i know nothing about trucks, forgive my ignorance, but the power numbers seem compatible low for such a big engine no? am i completely missing something? i know the price difference is huge and their is no comparisons but forgive me for saying, some mercedes top 800 torques and the they're coming from v8s. Again, forgive the ignorance.
And,how much fuel this truck eat on 100 km?? If he have 6.8
what MPG you get on highway?
thanks
The steering wheel is from 1998!!!
With pickup4x4 bed
did he say that the horse power was in the 300s....thats a little more than my car that has a 3.8L V6...maybe I miss herd him ......twice....
twin turboed and put it in a mustang hellll yeahhh
@Ji99i3 Making an engine put out more power causes excess stress on the engine, as does pulling around 20,000 lbs. They could make this engine put out 800lb/ft, but doing that combined with the very heavy loads it will have to cope with will destroy the engine very quickly...They are aiming for longevity and low cost operation, not performance
Why?
Natural Gas V10 wow ... now we r talkin
O.o mpg ..?
cuanto cuesta esa ford 550
In the UK u will know every person that works @ the petrol ( gas) station!!!!
imagine if they would have done the variable valve timing and all that new stuff like on the new "5.0L mustang" to that V10.. WITH ECOBOOST!! omg.. that shit would PWN!!
0-60--- It's gonna be a while folks
Wow, a gasoline commercial truck that will comparable to a diesel?, image what kind of power or energy savings they can achieve from a real diesel truck incorporating these latest technology.
@ShepperdW I think you want to reply to the presenter, not to me...
@ratmtbola So why not use one??? hmmmm..... you let me know of a heavy work duty v6/v8 truck that is successful @ it's task. NON-diesel But then again I'm no engineer. I'd like to believe they'd push out the most efficient overall product that is possible @ the time to benefit the company.
Most passenger car engines are getting smaller/more efficient. Maybe in a few years more options on larger vehicles will follow...????
This is what I drive
$8,000 less than the DIESEL option. No need to worry about SELECTIVE CATALYTIC REDUCTION (SCR), DIESEL EXAUST FLUID (DEF), DIESEL PARTICULATE FILTER (DPF), DPF REGENERATION CYCLE (REGEN-wich consumes DIESEL FUEL) HIGH DIESEL FUEL PRICES, HIGH DIESEL REPAIR COSTS, 36% MORE COST TO OPERARE MODERN DIESEL ENGINES...Well, where is the DIESEL option advantage now??? DIESEL MPG??? Shattered by it's need for DIESEL EXHAUST FLUID and high MANTAINANCE and OPERATION COSTS. Don't blame me, is E.P.A's fault.
1,70€ for one liter Diesel in Germany ;)
@wilburfudd 363 horses
fuck yeah B) thats awesome!
@telj1 You want to know a heavy work duty truck with a V6/V8 that's succesful? Just turn your head to Europe or Japan (or basically anywhere outside and the US) and you'll see nothing else besides V6's and V8's in heavy duty work trucks.
And if a V8 or V6 can get the exact same ammount of power AND torque, while getting much better mileage, then why not use? Thise huge V10 is just a huge waste of gas.
Take that junk 6.8 out and make an Ecoboost with the new 5.0 block... If the 3.5 Ecoboost makes 365hp and 420lbs/ft imagine how deadly a 5.0 would be..
i know eh
Medium duty? What does that make a Ranger? a non duty? wtf?
Lambo6fo late reply but f150-f450’s are light duty trucks. Regardless of the advertisements. F550 to f750 are mediums duty.
SEE THE VIDEO FROM GM CALLED
( WHEN CAR DEALERS ATTACK )
Haha emissions... People really follow those rules? Haha I have a ford v10 in my 250 and a torquey cummins for my other... Use red diesel in my cummins, ford costs me quite a bit... But both tow the same dodge might be a little on the fast side...
@rebelsike Yay but whoever buys this truck as a V10 then the are stupid i hate cummins but if i were to get this truck i would get the cummins in it just because it would be gas hog and it doesnt putout as much horses and torque
i hate to see the know gas pice is
Wow, this is a huge fail. Gas engine several ton vehicle = heart attack at the pump. Any respectful person will calculate fuel costs and see for a heavy duty work truck a diesel is the clear winner by miles.
not first!!!
this engine was kind of sluggish in the super duty, i could only imagine how much of a dog this thing will be in this big ass thing. and the sterring wheel, ford hasn;'t used that steering wheel since what? like 2005? got that freshened up interior with an old steering wheel. we'll see how this truck performs, with 457 lb ft of tq, this thing shouldnt be too bad.
A gas engine in a 650???? what has the world come to. TWO WORDS TREE HUGGERS.
HAVE U NOT THIS....6.8 365 HP 460TRQ...THATS A BEAST.....THE 5.7 HEMI IN A 06 MEGA CAB HAS 320HP 420TRQ IS A BEAST TOO.....SO TRUST ME 6.8 WILL HAVE NO ISSUES TOWING ESPECIALLY IF ITS GEARED CORRECTLY! IT TOWS LIKE A DIESEL BUT AT A SLOWER PACE....BUT IF U PUT A GAS ENGINE IN A HOT HOT DESERT DAY 120°AGAINST A DIESEL...GAS ENGINE WILL TOW BETTER THEN IN A REGULAR 70° DAY ....DIESELS TOW BEST IN COLDER WEATHER.
I MEANT TO SAY (SEEN) THIS.
DONT WRONG WHERE I SAID IT WILL TOW BETTER THEN A DIESEL...CUZ IT WONT I MEANT IT WILL TO BETTER IN THE HOTTER DAY THEN REGULAR DAY.. DIESEL WILL TOW THE SAME ALWAYS ..NO CHANGE..BUT GAS ENGINES LUV 100°WEATHER ,DIESELS LUV 40°BELOW.
6.8l V10 and only 362hp? Really? What bullshit. And the torque aint that great either. Other manufacturers get the same ammount of power and torque from a much smaller V6 / inline-6. And that while getting way better mileage than this huge V10 aswell.
As great as Fords latest cars and trucks might be ... hands down, they still can't build good engines. The new V6 EcoBoost engines might be an exception, but then again, those were designed and first built in Europe ...
@lostchildren LMAO!
@SixHundredHP
lmao
300 + hp v10 Truck? The owners are going to wish they had bought the diesel.
NOT REALLY BRO....A V10 HAS ENOUGH POWER TO TOW ANY TRAILER U THROW AT IT....REMEMBER WHEN A DIESEL BREAKS ....U WILL BREAK THE BANK! NOT IN A V10....HAVE U EVER SEEN A MILLION MILE V10?...I HAVE & IT STILL RUNS GOOD...MY EXCUR BARELY HAS 130K...TOWS LIKE A BEAST. I PUT THE 3V IN IT 365 HP 450 TRQ...I HAVE A SUPER CHARGER FOR IT BUT IM NOT SURE ABOUT IT BCUZ IT WILL SUCK GAS LIKE A TANK.
How did you make the 3V work in your excusion? I have an F250 with the same engine and may some day need to replace it.
@GodFatherv12 Grow up u_u
WOW Something that expensive looks extremely ugly inside. They could’ve done a better job with the steering wheel. It just looks like a bunch of bullshit hope you’re going to be moving a big O house pretty much worthless.. 200 gallon tank?🤔
first!!!
This is stupid putting a gas enging in a truck this size. I can see this getting great gas milliage thats for sure NOT. And the tree huggers can kiss my u know what with their emissions crap. the fuel milliage sucks and its chocking out the engine. People say what you want but for me if your gonna dish out the money for this size on a truck your gonna want disel hands down.
Good luck with the repair bills on that diesel after the warranty runs out!
Dennis Litson lol
@lostchildren o sh%t it is loooool. left over stock!