Road Rage Including One Of My Viewers | Deluded Again
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- My viewer sent in this footage of road rage incident that went to court. I think my viewer had a larger contribution than they think. And I use that word again!
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I think the lesson learned here is that if you're willing to be a prick to other people, sooner or later you will encounter an even bigger prick.
There's always a bigger prick.
We have exactly that expression in South America.
That what she said 🤦♂
Quoting Master Qui-gon Jin
100% correct.
basically 2 pricks
The viewer clearly isn't without fault, but the van driver is psychotic and should not be allowed back on the road as he can't control himself.
@waltersobchak1719Totally agree. An incredibly weak willed individual with real psychological problems if the video is anything to go by
Psychotic so funny 😂😂😂😂😇😇😇😊
The majority of people within todays society cannot control themselves! It is simply a product of a psychopathic society run, built and maintained by over inflated egos, greed, fear and mindlessness.
Going by this video I think viewer began the silliness unnecessarily with the horn and bit too impatient pass of the pedestrian and stopped car hazard initially, it's obvious something had occurred there, but white van man should have controlled himself, problem is you don't get taught how to calm yourself in road rage incidents and only learn after the event I think!
Lots of words again, but anyone who thinks the viewer is at fault really needs to review the UK guidance and rules. This site appears to be aimed at new drivers, learning to a very basic level, much more time and experience of situations is needed before making judgements of someones actions. There is some additional information for those who want to begin to further develop their skills or revise their understanding. Ash also provides some good videos to clarify some of the widely misunderstood situations and actions which dramatically affect traffic flow at common bottle necked points, such as the merge in turn when lane numbers are reducing ahead.
Ash has demonstrated that even possibly advanced trained traffic police don't understand the actual guidance for merging, he posted a video where he was pulled over by such an idiot! I doubt that this person went beyond basic levels of training.
As drivers, we are all part of the traffic and need to cooperate to keep it moving efficiently, it's not our place to obstruct safe progress of a vehicle or slow someone down intentionally, even if we believe that they're speeding, let them pass, understand that an overtaking vehicle has priority, regardless of their speed.
Unfortunately, Ash posts these click bait videos and just leaves inexperienced people to start discussing and prescribing what they believe would have been the correct action without eventually summarising the guidance or related laws. I believe that he would be reluctant to write anything incase something comes back and bites him, I did notice his smiling emoticon on one thread where someone prescribed a couple of short beeps would be suitable. Maybe, but only when given sufficient time and distance, but the hazard/person may look about for their mate to return a wave instead of understanding the actual hazard.
So the guy ran to his van, chased the Merc, stopped it, got out and kicked it, because the Merc driver sounded the horn. Rip up his licence.
I doubt he'll get banned. Police are mostly quite lenient to these types.
Rip up his licence? The guy shouldn't be out in public unescorted, never mind driving.
Sounds like you like to blast your horn
Agread
@@pickleddashcam4061 Correct. I suppose in mitigation he is clearly not very bright or strong and is overweight so would come off very badly in an altercation. He needs to learn to back down in every situation.
Plot Twist: The bike belongs to the van driver. He was out checking hedges looking for his stolen bike.
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Mark 1.15
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If that was my merc I wouldn't be strapping that cheap reck to it.
Most plausible response yet......😅
That figures 🤣
a quick beep beep in both cases would have been warning. not the seconds long clearly antagonising
Agreed. The horn is there to warn of your presence or other road users of potential danger, not reprimand.
I'm death in 1 ear and toot I would hear. When doing the cycle race and cars go past all they do is give toots to say coming past never a blast. A blast will upset mist people where a toot is more excuse me but a blast is get out my f*****way
The beep was a second long, not an antagonising duration.
As I alternate between two main cars I tend to push the horn a bit longer than I would like as the spring stiffness is greater in one than the other and, being unsure in which car. I compensate. But as the horn is rarely used (there are usually driving style tweeks that do better) I am not practised at a very short beep - I wish there were a special button for just such a sound.
I would not accuse the driver of being aggressive with the horn.
First beep was 2s long, second 4-5s. You can watch the dashcam time at the bottom. An “I’m here” warning is a quick toot, way way less than a second long.
@@frogandspanner go and practice the piano you'll learn how to do a gentle it's short and gentle a mili second
The big takeaway from this video (in addition to the obvious poor driving from both parties) is to be very careful about getting involved in any kind of conflict with other road users. There are some real psychos on the road and you have no way of knowing what you are dealing with.
Yes, it's worth reminding yourself of that every time you get into the car. I beeped a car driver who was drifting into my lane and he went mental and stopped a bit further up and tried to drive into my path. After reporting it he only got a warning letter, which taught *me* that you really can't rely on the police to side with you when you think you're in the right.
@@goodyeoman4534 Just curious, what did you think the punishment should have been if the letter wasn't enough?
@@drfell9105 I'd have been happy with 3 points or for them to get sent on one of those courses.
@@goodyeoman4534 unless you recorded it on dashcam there's little more that the Police can do as the evidence is purely just your word vs. theirs. The letters they send are just a warning that other motorists have reported concerns about the standard of their driving which you'd hope would at least give them pause for thought or perhaps a realisation that you can't just drive how you like and as long as speed camera doesn't get you you can more or less act with impunity.
@@awild10 I doubt it gives most of them any thought at all. I wondered if the warning letter could factor in if they get reported again, but I have no idea. Had a lorry tailgate me a few inches from my bumper on the M1 - warning letter. No deterrent at all.
Aside from the chase, what was going on before the cammer arrived? Van stopped, but not apparently broken down, car behind, brake lights on, but not in conversation with van driver? Strange situation, but van driver obviously happy to move on to another situation.
if the van wanker didn't look so relaxed in the first situation i'd almost wonder if he's in the middle of an existing road-rage situation when he's provoked into a new one lol
I wonder if the van driver had chased down the car to intimidate them as well. Maybe he was running after the driver of the car through the hedges... Probably not but you never know with certain road users.
Situation hunter
The brake lights were on so the driver was in the car. Very odd though, maybe the car had hit the van and the van driver was looking for something that had been knocked off?
It was probably a drug deal.
The fact some people think they can fool Ashley with "I sounded the horn to stop them from opening the door" is unbelievable. The man makes up excuses like a school boy who broke a window or didn't do his homework.
There was all the room in the world the horn was never needed for safety
“I was going to do a short beep but the dog ate it”
I actually pointed out that the horn warning was primarily aimed at the driver of the oncoming car , with the person in the black car a secondary reason ; furthermore , I delayed sounding the horn until AFTER I had passed the pedestrian ( van driver ) precisely because I didn't want him to think I was sounding it AT him !
@@wrightwoodwork Road width was restricted , and I was expecting the oncoming car , which I'd seen entering the other end of the road .
@@derekheeps1244 but thought you'd pass knowing another car was coming and use your horn to let them know you were on their side of the road - hahahaha
It was a pretty stupid place to stop. If it was a breakdown, there should have been hazards on and I would have been out standing at the corner to warn drivers coming out of the bend.
Running back to the vehicle and chasing down someone for beeping the horn is a bad idea. You don't know who you are chasing, they could be even more mentally unstable than you.
what if they had just the second broken down and this merc arrived before they'd had time to do such things?
@@garnhamr So you abandon the person who broke down and speed off to chase down some nobody because they insulted your masculinity? Does not compute.
@@Species1571 My guess is the van stopped to help out and this guy in the merc triggered him by being a moron , beeping at a broken down vehicle and swerving round them for no reason. I stand to be corrected though.
It was a stupid place to stop deliberately, and that in itself would tell me, as the driver that saw it, that something unforseen had happened to justify them stopping there. And to not sound my horn to highlight how it inconveniences me.
So, you saying it being a stupid place to stop makes his actions worse.
(Why also thinking the van driver is a psycho as well)
@@antmo1966 I'm not sure that's why the viewer sounded the horn. Still, it was very much overkill for what the situation called for.
he was easily triggered by a horn blowing must have anger issues
And yet clearly weak and overweight. The kid would not last long.
He has previous convictions for violent offences .
I've stopped using my car horn because it's unpredictable how other drivers might react.
@@metromadness2016 i am never quick enough to know where mine is. usually i find if you have the time to use the horn, you probably didn't need it. It would tend to be a last resort if somebody was going to drive into you. I live by a busy junction and can see that most people do not use it in that way.
Why was the red shirted man out of his van in the first place? Do we think there is more to this that happened earlier?
How sad are you to chase someone for using the horn...
How sad is someone to blast the horn for a long time road was clear use all the space and no need for the horn. Or is it every hazard blast the horn. The csmmer needs to look at thier own anger issues
@@wrightwoodwork Sounds to me like you're trying to downplay the despicable behaviour of the greaseball van driver.
@@goodyeoman4534 no just stating the fact no need for it . Would you risk going upto a stranger and shouting at them . Then when you get punched in the face and think you didn't deserve it. If you shout at people you will get punched in the face at some point
@@wrightwoodwork I agree there's no need for it. But I still think you're focusing on the cammer while downplaying the greaseball van driver's actions.
Exactly, that's the most important conclusion.
"up to now the van driver has done nothing wrong"
apart from chasing car driver for honking? are you blind?
I thought Ashley seemed a bit blinded by calling out the viewer. Of course someone aggressively driving up your arse, flashing their high beams, and following you is doing something wrong lol
You missed the point completely. The viewer said he didn't notice the van driver start giving chase. So if that's true, cammer would have had no reason to try to evade the van. Ashley is pointing out that if the viewer didn't know the driver they honked at was giving chase, then why would they think the van was cashing them? Hence where that "the van did nothing wrong" comment came from. If cammer was as unaware of the situation like they said they were, they would have no reason to suspect the van of any wrong doing.
@@SurgeDashcam interesting, my bad in that case
@@KentRoadsI understand the misunderstanding. It was used as more of a sarcastic remark than fact.
@@SurgeDashcamwe have no footage of driving behaviour prior to the incident, therefore the driving style that was seen after passing the two cars might have been completely normal for the cammer, until he noticed the van in his mirror.
Both drivers are pathetic but the van driver is worse just for being sad enough to run all the way back to your van and chase someone just because they beeped their horn at him.
The logic of brake checking: "There's an angry berk behind me. I know - I'll wind him up some more"
What's unexplained is the interaction between Redshirt and the black car. It's not a normal place to stop. I don't think they knew each other because he probably wouldn't have raced off without his buddy (and black car didn't follow). He was walking away from his van with phone in hand, possibly looking for something on the road. Black car was waiting for the outcome. So it seems he was already rattled by something related to the black car, and the horn sent him into a rage.
None of that warrants the ridiculous response though.
If he was looking for something, it can't have been important for him to immediately give up and chase another car for miles.
Perhaps they had already collided and the horn pushed him over the edge. It would be interesting to read the court notes.
As far as Police Advanced Training, I know someone with that training and he acts like a complete idiot on the roads. He has skills, yes, but also a dangerous overconfidence and sense of superiority.
That’s the problem, especially newly qualified police drivers. Have to remain grounded and accept that there’s a lot more to learn despite whatever level someone may believe they are in
Yup. I've also dealt with the same type. One of them actually tried to run me off the road. Shortly after, we both got a tug from an off-duty cop who (at length) explained to me that I shouldn't get out of my car to have a word with bad drivers, just because we're in the same traffic queue...
He then railed on his colleague for about 10 minutes, about how every single thing he'd done over the last 10 minutes, including trying to run me off the road, was all on dashcam. I expect he didn't get fired though.
Give Police Advanced Trained drivers an HGV or a Large Coach to drive and watch how they crumble under a larger vehicle than a Van.
The scariest thing about this clip is Ashley's analysis. Both were obviously in the wrong, but what the van driver did was a million times worse than what the Merc driver did, yet you'd think it was the other way round based on Ashley's commentary. Chasing after someone for beeping the horn too long is absolutely nuts!
Maybe but Ashley is focusing on things to improve - the Merc driver can improve their response to incidents like these by listening to Ash's commentary, the van driver will rage and rage no matter what. This channel is about learning and improving not about apportionment blame.
100% I think in a effort to present a balanced view here we’ve lost sight of the fact that one party’s actions are significantly more out of line than the other’s.
To be fair, I love Ashley, but it's like that on a lot of videos. He is sometimes so focused on the cammer's wrong doing, that he almost poses the other driver (doing far worse) as innocent.
@@PeterBee911both you and the original commenter are implying that Ashley is saying the van driver is innocent when thats not the case.
the viewer himself said "I didn't see the red shirt dude run back to his car" and Ashley uses that line and the analysis of their driving to call bs on it. he did see the red shirt dude go back to his van and that's why he's driving like he's being chased by the van driver. seriously it's like we're not watching the same video
A “please don’t open the door” beep is a gentle press on the horn, less than half a second at most
A “what the #%*$ do you think you are doing stopping there?” beep is what we heard in the video
There could be a multitude of reasons for them being stopped, broken down, medical emergency, who knows. But showing anger / frustration is not the way to deal with it
I have had similar where I have seen vehicles parked like this and I stopped to ask if everything was OK. They responded with “All fine, just heading out to explore the area”. I mentioned about them being parked on a blind bend and could potentially cause problems and they were oblivious to what they had done but thanked me and moved their car a few yards further up the road. Problem sorted 👍
Now onto the rest of the video…
Exactly what I thought too, the length of the "beep" was excessive and yes, there could have been a medical emergency or breakdown, generally people don't park on a blind bend to have a casual chat! 👍
My first thought at seeing them stopped like that was there had been an accident. That's not the time to get all horn-happy.
@@Dudleymiddleton Neah, no medical emergency. Or if there was, how odd to just drive off from the emergency to recover your shattered ego from some idiot beeping a horn.
@@goodyeoman4534 Exactly.. whatever the reason for stopping in a fairly dangerous spot, it wasn't as important as chasing somebody for beeping their horn. I just can't understand where red shirt guy was going, there's no properties around there, he didn't appear to have lost his load or anything.. pee stop?
@donvito1973
I think red shirt guy stopped there because he didn't give a damn about anyone but himself. Not excusing the Merc drivers actions. The world has gone full ret..d.
That bicycle was tailgating the Mercedes throughout the video. No matter what the Mercedes driver did to speed away, the bicycle continued to tailgate.
Where was "the guy in the red" top going in the first place? "Why were those 2 vehicles stopped there?" Answers on a postcard please.
doesn't matter why, slow down (more than the 20mph) or stop. sounding the horn is needless and potemtially dangerous.
Why do people do anything they do?
Dogging.
If this is how someone with Advanced Police Training drives, I would fear the Police while on the streets.
You should be wary of the police anyway.....
I fear police on the streets anyway. Police uphold laws, not protect people, and in many cases apply outdated prejudice in the process.
@@dalemr2if you’re not doing anything wrong, you don’t need to be.
@@bestintheworld568 you've obviously never encountered corrupt police...
and us the pubic
I'll never understand how people get this worked up over being honked at. This behaviour only reinforces the need to not rise to any unfavourable situations, because you may end up coming face to face with someone as crazy as this. The less frustration you show over someone else's actions, the less likely you'll get an ego fuled ceazy person like this chashing you.
No need to react and no need for the horn . Slow down provide a bubble of safety that's it
Sometimes it might just be the straw. I've been honked for no reason and it made me laugh. Other times, I've been waiting at a junction that isn't clear, and got irate when someone behind beeped.
An advanced motorcyle trainer I had, lost it when a woman honked at him. Perhaphs you should ask him.
@@wrightwoodwork The use of horn was absolutely correct , to warn the oncoming driver of my presence . My speed was already slow , low 20s , no point loitering any longer than necessary on the offside when I KNEW that other car was coming , nor in making myself an obstacle for anything that might have been coming from behind .
@@derekheeps1244 Utter shite, why didn't you slow even further or come to a stop? Both far safer than your actions. that you are still trying to justify things says to me you need to get some retraining and have a break from driving, plus reassess yourself as frankly you're the worse type of driver that thinks they are in the right, will brag about their supposed standard of driving, but are the catalyst for what happened. If you passed this hazard at 20mph never mind honking our horn whilst I was asessing you, I'd fail you straight off on that alone. ou've endangered other road users, failed to assess the hazard/s on multiple levels.
The excessive speed after that and somewhat out of control driving just doubled down on the trail of dogshit on display!
Just back down and admit you're wholly in the wrong before you badly hurt or worse, kill someone!
That van driver appears to be too mentally unstable to have a driving license
And an LGV one at that !
Vast quantities of doesn't add up there. The only advanced police training the cammer has had is from a bent ex-copper on how to make false statements to cover your tracks. The van driver is clearly a nutter, but I don't believe what was said about not seeing him running to the van.
I've learnt over the years to assess how the horn press will be interpreted if at all possible _before_ pressing it.
Both drivers need a bit of anger management training, but I'll bet neither sees the need.
How many road users ever see the need to look at themselves?
It is either the other person at fault or the system is wrong for finding themselves at fault
Made a comment yesterday on a Twitter post from a cyclist about how they were close passed but was it a good thing to then head back in front at the next lights considering the bad driving…I was then questioned as to why I was blaming the cyclist for the poor driving 🤷🏻♂️
@@smilerbob So many people have no sense of reasonableness or proportionality. It's not only not taught, but unreasonableness and lack of proportional response _are_ taught and modelled in the home, in the press, in film and TV, and on social media. I doubt it can be reversed without a major upheaval.
Most people press the horn after something has already happened. So you're just risking a conflict for zero gain. Better to only press it if someone hasn't seen you and is drifting into your lane, or to alert potential approaching vehicles beyond a blind bend or whatever.
@@goodyeoman4534 Exactly that.
@@PedroConejo1939 Yeah what you touched on - I'm sure there have been books written on it. Essentially, it boils down to upbringing. People are now raised to be self-centred, and to believe they are always the victim and that it's always someone else's fault. That's why a person would run over and kill someone and just slouch out their car muttering something like, "Muh, he wasn't looking where he was going. Not mah fault innit."
If I'd come around the corner and seen two cars stopped - the closest one with his brakelights on - I think I would have stopped. Then the rest is not explained,
agreed, until you know what's happened, at the least you'd slow right down to give yourself time to evaluate.
exactly this. Pause a moment, and if there is nothing to stop for, indicator on and go carefully round the stopped vehicles. No incident. No road rage. Bloke in the red shirt was on the other side of the road, so whatever was going on, it was not a major issue for the Mercedes driver.
@@hughn Exactly, was also thinking of an accident with injuries or an animal on the loose. Speed is totally inappropriate and it's weird the dashcammer was so surprised since the clio has warning and brake lights on.
Should have slowed right down, and indicated to pull out. Maybe glance to see if they need help, or some hazard. Not hurtle through with a “get out of my way” blast on the horn.
The guy is apparently on his way to or from riding his bike. What’s the f*cking hurry that you have to act like that?
Couple of points from a driving instructor here, and these are just personal and professional opinions...
1. I would have had my hazard lights on if I was stopped like the 2 drivers the viewer had to pass.
2. As the viewer, I would have slowed down a little more to pass a bit safer.
3. A courtesy tap of the horn would have been fine.
None of what happened in this video excuses either driver for their behaviour.
This scenario is a great example of wasted time and energy that put everyone at risk.
The engagement was the long press of the horn from the viewer. If that didn't happen, life would move on.
Thanks for the video, Ashley. 🙏🏽
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There is no security or hope with out Jesus Christ in this world come and repent of all sins today
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Come to Jesus Christ today
Jesus Christ is only way to heaven
Repent and follow him today seek his heart Jesus Christ can fill the emptiness he can fill the void
Heaven and hell is real cone to the loving savior today
Today is the day of salvation tomorrow might be to late come to the loving savior today
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For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 3:16-21
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
It's an interesting one.
The Merc driver was a bit hefty with the horn at the start, but the reaction of the van driver was ridiculous.
As for the brake check - that escalated the situation further. Slowing down is fine, brake checking is dangerous.
There is no way the person who provided the footage was ever a Police driver with that standard of driving.
I'm pretty sure that the brake check did not escalate the situation. The situation was already at max escalation, or the van driver would not be pursuing and tailgating.
And as for police drivers, I've seen some SHOCKING driving by the police.
"My viewers going to brake check them. Like all good police trained drivers should". I knew right away Ashley was joking with that deadpan humour of his.
Funnily enough there have been 2 instances on my bike where police cars have driven dangerously and seemed to consider a cyclist as fair game .
To me, that white van was giving chase from the very beginning, even if one missed the driver running back to the van. The driving on high beams was another clue. Have to say, they must have been gunning it to catch up with our cammer in a relatively short distance.
Probably gonna get some disagreement, but if I was in the Merc driver's position, I'd also try my best to get the hell away from that van. I disagree with Ashley's commentary (before the kick), saying the van driver did nothing, when quite clearly, he was in a very angry pursuit.
With that said, putting other road users at risk during road rage is a big no-no. I'm just glad those cyclists weren't in immediate danger at the end.
So was I , I only saw them after I'd booted it to get away from Mr Angry . I was still able to slow back down to let the first ones cross safely and the second group waited for me to pass .
I'm in general agreement with you too. The van driver was very clearly trying to chase down the cammer, and I wouldn't have hung around either.
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Our cammer seems to have a habit of sounding the horn for an extended long period. We witnessed him doing it at the start (which is what triggered this incident) and again when apparently "warning the dog walkers" when being overtaken by the white van. Perhaps they need to consider giving shorter beeps and even then, consider those can also be misunderstood.
We ALL know that the horn sounding to 'warn the dog walkers' was an unprovable lie; maybe this chap has more police training than he already admits?
That may well be true.
He also missed the opportunity to stop by the dog walkers. They would have been perfect witnesses and could have de-escalted the situation if the van guy got out there.
The first horn warning was primarily for the benefit of the oncoming car ; the second was to get peoples attention and make them look as I believed something might be about to happen and I wanted witnesses .
@@helldogbe4077 Hindsight is a wonderful thing .
... to be fair he never said he passed the advanced police training xDDD
Why was red shirt man on the verge? To give warning to oncoming traffic about the two cars stopped?
Maybe why he was triggered when beeped?
I don't agree that white van man did nothing wrong after this; he escalated the situation to a pursuit & takes 95% of the blame for the whole incident.
I very much agree. The cammer hooted. So what? Not a reason to give high speed pursuit.
I tend to think that as well as the long horn use, some form of gesture was also made. This is an example of two egos trying to outdo each other. If the police had viewed this footage, the cammer has implicated himself for speeding and driving without due care. Theres more to this than we're being shown.
No gesture of any kind was made .
He's implicated himself in trying to escape a dangerous psycho, which means the cops won't touch him. Stop victim blaming.
Here is my take. IF there **is** something dodgy going on with the white van and the black car.... then possibly the man in the red shirt has spotted the dashcam and is worried there is incriminating evidence been filmed. That would/could give cause for then to chase the cammer, no?, espicially if it is a locally known spot for such things.
Having lived most of my 66 years in the area , I'm unaware of that locus being used for dodgy business ; however when I returned a short time later the two of them were still together and just around the corner on the wider part of the road - so neither vehicle had broken down , and they were together . The constable who came round also thought it looked suspicious .
@@derekheeps1244if they are dodgy not very good at it, you’d think they wouldn’t want to raise attention
@@neiltaylor513 People using/selling drugs aren't usually the sharpest tools in the shed.
If you are being pursued, there is no point in driving recklessly to escape. The loser will be the first one to get out of the car anyway. The driver can just shuffle past (or potentially be weaponised in the case of a pursuer). Just casually drive somewhere with many witnesses, or a police station, or petrol station (lots of cameras). But try not to wind someone up in the first place.
Some of these psychos are already wound up.
If you’re being chased, speeding and brake checking are the last things you should be doing. That’s just pure escalation.
I got chased by a guy once. When I realised it was happening I drove to a supermarket car park (where I hoped he would be put off by the amount of people about) but still the guy came up to my car and opened my car door and started yelling that he had me on his dashcam. Doing what ? I asked. He claimed I’d pulled out in front of him (I hadn’t). I told him I was calling the police and he drove off . He got a visit from them that evening and a caution. Lucky my husband wasn’t in the car with me or it definitely would have escalated.
Yeah I had a friend who had some nutter chase his wife after he felt she had wronged him on the road, she called him panicking and he told her to drive to his work, so she did. This guy follows her in, strides over to her car and starts raging at her trying to get in, so doesn't notice my mate running over who is a big boy. The first time he realizes he's there is when he's pinned up against her car by his throat being not so politely told to leave while he still can.
If you're being chased it's already escalated beyond any reasonable level. Nothing you can do at that point can make it worse.
If you're being chased, and you know the road well enough/have the horse power count in your favor, you should 100% speed off as long as it is somewhat safe to do so.
@@PeterBee911 You don't need to speed when you can just block. Why are you risking other people's lives?
I keep seeing people driving aggressively to trigger a reaction, but then try to run away when they get one. If you don’t want the altercation, don’t ask for one
It's the throwing stones from the back of a crowd mentality. Cowards. I very rarely beep just for the reason you said. I only sound the horn if someone hasn't noticed me or whatever which never causes an issue.
They feel safe in their iron cage till they realise they ain't, then panick and run.
I only sound my horn when someone is genuinely about to do something ridiculous like coming into my lane when I'm already in that space, or cutting me off badly etc, it's always justified yet I'm met with every range of reaction from the acceptable apology hand wave to getting the bird flipped at me to on very rare occasions the other driver absolutely losing their mind at me. There seems to be a lot of people lacking in any accountability these days.
I always see women in short skirts...
Hello, Mr. Victim Blamer, I'm Mr. Simili.
I'm happy to admit that I sent this video in .
Re the initial horn warning , I did say to Ashley that one concern was the door being opened , but my other concern , as I'm sure I mentioned in my email , was that I had already spotted the oncoming car when it entered the other end of the road ( visible across the fields on the approach ) , and I knew it had to be somewhere around the next bend - so the warning was primarily to let the driver of that oncoming car know I was there , and especially forced onto the other side of the road ; hence the timing and duration of the horn warning ; and as is clear from the video the oncoming car appeared only seconds later .
I was aware of the van following when he put his full beam headlamps on whilst still on the minor road , and then stepped on it to determine whether or not he was pursuing me , which quite quickly became apparent ; and I do not normally drive at the speeds I did on that occasion , even then I was moderating my speeds because of the circumstances .
The 'brake check' was a once only warning because he was driving too close , but since he never backed off there was no point repeating it .
The second horn warning was both to warn pedestrians , and to get attention since I had no way of knowing what his next move would be .
Finally , yes I knew as it was happening that I was a bit too quick before being confronted by the cyclists , this was down to the circumstances and not the way I normally drive .
I accept that , in hindsight , I didn't handle the situation as best I might have , but the police constable who came round and viewed the video expressed no concerns about my driving ( and I had pointed out the speeds I hit in trying to evade the van driver when I originally phoned the incident in ) and it was the police who decided to charge the van driver with Dangerous Driving based on the video evidence - I had merely reported it as road rage and suggested he might need a talking to before he picked on a lone female .
It also transpired that the van driver has previous convictions , not driving related .
It is great to hear your perspective. Ignore the twats in the comments
@@matt6699 Unfortunately Ashley has fallen victim to audience capture.
Interesting how so much of this was left out of the video if you did in fact mention it. He seemed pretty certain the horn use was a reprimand. Your explanation sounds pretty reasonable to me
Hey Ash, what's with the the "so-called advanced organisations" comment? What harm are IAM or RoSPA doing? I'm a proud member of both and I've had nothing but positives from being so. They aren't smug elitists, they are people who very much want to improve their driving standards in all respects and periodically review their training curricula to make sure it's relevant and useful - I can't see you havng a problem with that.
So you know ALL the people who are IAM or RoSPA qualified and can vouch for every single one them, that none of them are elitist?
Because I've had "conversations" with a few who are definitely very elitist...
@@fredmercury1314 Of course I can't vouch for everyone. Don't be ridiculous. By that logic, DVSA-standard drivers are awful, because I encountered a few who are. I said I personally have had only positive experiences. And the curriculum IS a higher standard than DVSA, and they both campaign for road safety laws, support charities etc. They are good organisations.
@@theaikidoka But that is what you just did in your comment. You specifically said "they aren't smug elitists", referring to everyone.
@@fredmercury1314 No, referring to the people I met.
Why are the unhinged drivers always such out of shape losers who choose a physical altercation but will get legally flattened in self defense by the wrong person.
Just like the cammer giving it large then shits himself when he might have to deal with the consequences of his own actions
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Crazy van driver versus delusional viewer.
The advanced police training was a speed awareness course 😛
This is the furthest away from the phrase "make it a non-event" ever shown on the channel. Why blast the horn? What was the van driver thinking? So many questions. Absolutely beyond belief.
Got to be honest I think you could have levelled more criticism at the van driver here. I'm not excusing the excessive speed of the merc, but the van driver was doing a pretty good job keeping up, with his main beams on. I would have interpreted that as aggressive/threatening behaviour. His intentions are later confirmed when he forced in front of the Merc and got out. All of that just because the Merc sounded his horn. For me it's the white van man who gets the 'bell end' award.
We'll never know why the van driver was out of his van at the start of the whole farce, and something may have triggered him earlier with he black car, and the excessive use of the horn was just the catalyst to set off the red mist. Shocking stuff and thankfully the only damage done was to their egos.
That van driver is psychotic... he was probably going to check the state of his most recent cadaver buried behind those hedges. Probably even got someone tied up in the back of his van.
I wonder why the van was stopped in the first place.
Dogging.
The 5 second long horn to "warn the dog walkers" made me laugh
Read my earlier replies
@@derekheeps1244 I don't see any comments from you anywhere
Why?
Is there a prescribed length of time, for alerting pedestrians, laid out in the Highway Code or RTA?
Is it a crime if you're 0.002 of a second over?
@@fredmercury1314 anything longer than about half a second will make you look unnecessarily aggressive. You really think that was necessary??
@@tomchapman128 I don't think it was unnecessary. It was just a honk.
The van driver wasted a lot of petrol and his own time for no real reason.
It made him feel tough though..
01:17 I wonder what the story was, for the two vehicles to have stopped there with van man walking away.
(Perhaps van man was already having a bad day, anyway!)
Unknown , but the constable who came round to view the video remarked that it looked suspicious . I also now know that WVM has other convictions .
@@derekheeps1244
Interesting, cheers. Keep safe ;)
Dogging.
I think you are being extremely harsh, the initial beep is a little unnecessary but I'm sure plenty would advocate for it. The rest is trying to escape someone bent on committing violence to you, if thinking more clearly then a call to the police straight away would have been in order but this is probably difficult, the old car probably doesn't have Bluetooth and our driver was probably very stressed. The only thing I might have done differently is drive faster.
Don’t start things you can’t finish
Ah yes, the classic evasive manouvre; the brake check.
The main idiot here was red shirt for sure
I have commented elsewhere that I could have driven faster , but I was exercising restraint ; the van driver was already exceeding his capabilities trying to keep up , just see the way he took that left turn into Crawfield Road in Bo'ness . After that point , where we had entered the 30 mph limit , I determined to keep the speeds down in order to minimise risk .
The car radio did have a bluetooth function , and indeed I have handsfree kits in all my cars , but the concentration needed ( Definition from Roadcraft " the full application of mind and body to a particular endeavour to the complete exclusion of everything not relevant to that endeavour " ) does not allow for the use of telephony whilst driving and certainly not when driving quickly and safely .
Ashley's Sunday Roast is a day early. As always it is best served with a hint of irony or sarcasm.
I knew my sarcasm wouldn’t be lost on you Graham 👊
"oh I'm so hard don't beep me"
Right .. what an absolute buffoon !!
What the van driver did was insane, how can anyone plan for such an overreaction?
Hmm, the horn blast at the beginning was the inciting incident, but I could perhaps understand why he did it. They were parked in an awkward position and a horn beep was warranted, in my opinion, just to warn of his approach. That being said, it was quite a long beep and was definitely interpreted by the van driver as a reprimand, regardless of the cammer's intention.
However, I'm not entirely sure that it was fair to characterise the van driver following and trying to keep up with the cammer as him not doing anything wrong. The cammer quickly recognised that he was being followed and used his judgement of the situation and his advanced training to determine that going a bit above the speed limit was necessary. And he was right, the van struggled to keep up.
As soon as he had to slow down, the risk to him went up massively. He did the right thing trying to get to the police station as soon as possible, but also recognised that when he reached the 30 zone and there were pedestrians around that the risk to his safety was less important than those around him.
Overrall, I actually don't think he did that badly. The beep at the beginning was maybe not the smartest thing to do, but that psycho following him was the one causing all the danger.
EDIT: Also forgot to mention the brake check. No idea what's going through his mind there.
The point of the "not doing anything wrong" was that Ash says the cammer said they didn't see the driver run to the vehicle and start following. If that is true then all there is is a white van behind them with their lights on (though it would become clear anyway later). To me that's the only really odd bit; the horn sounding was a bit long, but that's no excuse for the van driver's actions and if he'd been seen running then chasing I think feeling intimidated seems reasonable.
@@inncubus666 Didn't see them run to the van initially sure, but he sure as shit recognised that van and knew very quickly it was the same one, and that it was following him.
Brake check was madness from the cammer though
Best comment so far.
The horn warning at the beginning was given as it was because I'd seen the oncoming car enter the other end of the road when I had the view across the fields ; I didn't know how fast it was going or how far away it was , so I had to give a sustained warning so that the sound would carry , could be heard and acted on in a timely manner .
This , even though I told Ashley this , is lost on most people and only perceived as aggression when it is nothing of the sort .
@@derekheeps1244 That's a fair point. I've checked back and obviously it's very difficult to spot that oncoming car in the clip. But yeah, that's fair.
Do you have an explanation for the brake check towards the end?
Their police training must be a speed awareness course or similar.
He mustn't have done too well in the course if he was doing 74 in a 50 haha
@@sharnehawkins4702 Most drivers only use it to get out of points.
Good analysis. It frightens me that such an episode can escalate from 'nothing' to fast and potentially dangerous driving that puts the rest of us road users at risk. Frankly it's immature and totally unnecessary.
It can be frightening. Personally I'd have stopped the car as I'd feel more in danger of being run off the road or crashing than I would by that greaseball wanting a bit of fisticuffs.
Then don't think you're invincible inside your car and start beeping at everyone who you think is doing something wrong. The cammer caused this incident.
They put Harambe down, but the kid was the one that chose to climb into the cage.
@@Asdayasman Idiotic reply. The greaseball van driver caused the incident, when he decided to chase someone for tooting their horn (beep beep).
@@Asdayasmanhe did not do anything to warrant the van driver chasing after him to kick his car lmfao, that was such an overreaction
While there was no need for the cammer to blare his horn, the fact it triggered the van driver that badly that he ran back to his vehicle and relentlessly chased the cammer down and raged at him tells me they have serious anger issues and should be banned from driving until such a time that a mental health professional deems them fit to operate a car again without losing their tiny mind over a whole lot of nothing.
I'm surprised the viewer actually let the van driver overtake him because it was obvious he would then slam on the brakes when in front. Surely his Mercedes could have accelerated enough to leave the van stuck on the wrong side of the road. Not ideal I know but heading to the police station was the only way that chase was going to end without a crash.
Not in a 30 mph speed limit with pedestrians all around , and a posse of cyclists who came into view a few moments later ; I already determined that I was not going to allow the incident to develop into a high speed chase in a built up area ; a bit of speed on the open road , which I was familiar with is one thing , speeding in a 30mph residential area with lots of vulnerable people around is quite another ; I expected him to pass and try to cut me off , and I was ready for him .
Plot twist: The van driver had initially stopped to reprimand another driver
Position and speed means the parked vehicles don't need to be a problem. There were early clues from observations and there was space to take advantage of etc. I think 100% this is a case of red mist for both drivers.
I've done the advanced training with the "organisations" and been out with the police driver training unit. I have both not been taught or seen anything like this personally
I agree, if the driver really applied IPSGA why the fuss here, it will not be inclusive an incident. plus the lack of "EGO" control of both drivers are terrible. maybe they need check the Testosterone "I am not be sarcastic" men with low or to high have the tendency to do those EGO battles. it is a big long curve to learn t be stoic and control the EGO
@@DGQ1Q2 I trained with , and prefer , the six feature system to IPSGA , although there is much commonality , I prefer the structure of the earlier system .
Also , I exercised considerable restraint throughout the incident , taking care where there were hazards , and reducing both my speed and that of the following driver after we entered the built up area , and taking the peripheral route round the town to minimise involvement with others .
So EGO does not come into it .
What was not mentioned in the video , but which I HAD mentioned was that I saw the oncoming car entering the opposite end of the road when I took my observation across the fields , before dropping down into the valley , so I KNEW it was coming , and that was why I gave the sustained horn warning when I did ; of course there was plenty of room to pass the parked cars safely , barring the minor concern of the door being thrown open , but what I wanted to avoid was being confronted by the oncoming car at the time I was well offside - there certainly wasn't space to pass that vehicle AND the parked ones ; as it was the oncoming car appeared a few seconds later , just around the next bend .
@@derekheeps1244Better to stop and wait until you are certain nothing oncoming?
@@derekheeps1244 This might make sense if you didn't have a pedestrain a few feet away from you. Stopping safely behind the stationary vehicles would have been the 'advanced' option rather than scaring the living daylights out of a pedestrian. (No excuse for his response though).
Angry van man is the chief aggressor in this incident and I think this video should have been framed from the point of view of the unacceptable behaviour of aggressively following, tailgating and lashing out at the cammer. Cammer isn't entirely blameless given the speed and brake-checking but I do think that when followed like this, it can be very scary.
Berk in a Merc defined in one video.
And an innocent van “tradesman” 😂
@@damonrobus-clarke533 far from it.
Clearly the van driver was the biggest problem though. Cam driver didnt help much, but trying to get away from someone aggressively following and tailgating you is completely justified. You say he had done nothing to you at this point etc but he had. Flashing lights n chasing. Its a good job he only managed to overtake and stop the cammer in the 30 zone, if he did that on a fast road couldve been very dangerous. That may wellve been what he had just done at the start of the video to other car. He may have already been in a road rage confrontation scenario.
I dont think deluded is the right word for this one. Wouldve been fairly scary situation
Matey's been sent on a speed awareness course and is calling it "advanced police training"
Firstly , we don't give 'speed awareness courses' here in Scotland , secondly I have been trained by two police forces , done my TPO and Potential Instructor courses at Police College , and done training with other services , and am still current as an emergency responder .
I don't blame him, I would've done the same thing. What if he or she had a kid in the back.
Investigated themselves and found nothing wrong. Does sound like a cop lol
Funny how the guy in the red shirt was going slowly about his day, not worried about blocking traffic and being a hazard on a narrow road, but was so quick to react when someone called him out.
Why be an apologist for the van driver Ashley?
The initial excessive horn at the blind bend was to let those people know how potentially dangerous it was if traffic was approaching from the opposite direction. Your viewer then sped up to avoid a confrontation, something you admonished the van driver for.
No ifs about it , I KNEW the other car was coming as I had seen it entering the other end of the road when I checked across the fields , as per training .
@@derekheeps1244 I'm still waiting for you to answer my question about precisely when you saw the oncoming car with your magical x-ray hawk vision.
Besides, the road ahead was obviously clear when you began your overtake, with loads of space available for both you and an oncoming vehicle to see each other and react appropriately. Clearly no horn was necessary. Or are you in the habit of sounding your horn every time you pass stationary vehicles?
I cannot believe you're still here in the comments doubling down on your nonsense. Admit your mistakes and grow from them. Stop making excuses.
The more you get involved, the more your chances of meeting a Kenneth Noye.
The van man is the really deluded one. I'd mostly forgive the viewer beeping as the van and the other car were positioned in a dangerous position. Van man the real nutcase.
The standards of British driving and road thuggery is staggering, why are we so pathetic ?
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Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
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Jesus
Not gonna lie, that white van in the rear view mirror looks menacing. Also Why are there bots in the comment section?
Bots because YT. Report them and move on.
Long and short of it: The viewer's wife Tina, has just ended her long, four-week affair, with the van driver, Freddy, and thrown his eternity ring in the nettles. So he went to find it Then she called her husband again, who was coming to pick her up, at the Falkirk Travel Tavern,....And he saw what was going on and so taunted the ex- boyfriend with a tootle pip. And rude gesture off camera.
Latest news: She is back with Fat Freddy again. And the viewer has moved to behind the Litherland sausage factory and has threatened to bash Ashley's head in.
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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Mark 1.15
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
2 Peter 3:9
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Hebrews 11:6
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Jesus
You just know he rides that bike on the back like a certain Jeremy with driving like that.
The bike is my daughter's
I feel like they sent this clip to the wrong UA-cam channel. If it was the other channels, this Mercedes driver would be praised.
Pretty much any channel where the viewers are normal, rational people, rather than fanboys who get high on criticizing other people's driving.
What an utterly strange incident.
Firstly, why such a long horn beep? A quick beep would have sufficed in both occasions
Second, what was the van driver doing? Why was he out of his van? What was he doing that would have allowed him to run back to his van and have a 10-15 minute pursuit?
What was the other car doing? Did they know Mr Van? Did the viewer and van driver know each other? So many questions
The long horn warning at the beginning was for the benefit of the oncoming driver ; the second one was to get ATTENTION as I knew what was coming and I wanted witnesses , although the end result was as close to a non event as it could have been .
Mr Van driver and the occupant of the black car clearly were together since when I returned to the scene a short time later , both vehicles had moved to the wider part of the road just around the corner and were both in an entrance to premises with the van driver out talking to the occupant of the black car . What they were doing is unclear , but they were together and neither vehicle was broken down .
I subsequently saw a similar white van stopped around the area with other cars a number of times over the next few weeks - it is unknown whether it was the same van or whatever might have been transpiring .
Ashley, I wonder if you were being sarcastic saying, during most of the video, that the "van driver did nothing wrong".
Running back to his car, trying to catch up with the Merc driver with high beam on should ring an alarm bell to anyone who is observant of his environment.
Or maybe would you consider someone pointing a gun at you to not have done anything wrong until he presses the trigger?
King of the road meets white van nutter.
Getaway driver: "I'll have you know I've got police advanced driver training"
The first sounding of the horn was fully justified, during police advanced training, something known as the system of car control is used, part of this is the recognition of a hazard (a place or situation where you may need to change course, speed or direction), indeed, part of the system when approaching every hazard is to consider a horn warning. The stationary vehicles constituted a hazard, foot brake lights showing meant that that the 1st vehicle may have been running, still in gear without parking brake applied, a safe anticipation of your viewer was probably that the driver may not be aware of his presence, that there was a real risk of this vehicle moving out into the path of your viewers vehicle during his safe overtaking manoeuvre. His use of the horn was clear and possibly prevented a collision and serious injuries.
For this, they should be commended.
The second horn was possibly longer due to adrenaline from the drivers perceived risk, and a response to the dangerous and aggressive behaviour of the van driver. You mention the pedestrians, the vehicles appeared to be about to enter a buildup area with many more hazards, which may not be shown on the dash cam footage, again your viewers use of the horn may have got the attention of other road users, such as any potentially approaching the junction on the right, they may then become aware of the overtaking van and avoid another incident.
As a defensive measure when a potentially aggressive person like van driver approaches your car is to remain inside, keep it locked and sound the horn continuously, this will drown out their verbal abuse & may get the attention of a witness. The sound is wearing, van driver wouldn't have remained around for long.
The correct use of the horn is intended to be a clear warning of your presence, a quick bip of the horn in this situation would have been inadequate for this purpose. Years ago my police instructor picked me up on this, it felt odd but in a real potential hazard, there isn't time for the additional decision of how long should the horn be sounded. Have you noticed that many pip pip horn soundings are often a driver recognising someone and are not intended as a warning? After my pip pip warning, the instructor laughed before pressing on the horn for two seconds, then explained that if I'm going to use it, do it properly.
From the van man's kick of your viewers car, it is clear that your viewer had correctly interpreted the following driver as a threat, the van driver was behaving aggressively and may have caused harm if your viewer wasn't able to safely back up and drive past the "offender". Again, his long horn blast would have got the attention of potential witnesses to a physical altercation if he wasn't able to escape..
Deluded?
The only deluded people in this footage, or maybe remarking here are the angry van driver who may have just been saved from a collision simply by your viewers use of his horn, and those who don't understand why he used his horn during his overtaking manoeuvre and how the correct use of a vehicle horn in this way can prevent accidents.
NEVER consider the use of a vehicle horn as a sign of aggression, perhaps you or another vehicle driver haven't noticed something, or are about to make a mistake. Often, when someone isn't paying attention and makes a sudden change of direction, a driver may sound a horn to make them aware of their presence and the potential danger, the driver making the mistake may be startled or feel awkward after potentially becoming involved in an incident, it is not unusual for some to become defensive, instead, they could think more positively, even give a friendly type gesture after realising that the other driver may have prevented an accident..
"But then sticks to the speed limit" Did you notice the buildup area, the oncoming pedestrian in the road and the right turn? Your viewer may have decided that the risk is too great, also his adrenaline may have been high from the chase.
Ash, maybe you're remarking on subjects above your experience level, training and situational understanding, whether or not your viewer is police trained to whatever level, they took the correct action in the first circumstance, perhaps you could read deeper into rules and guidance instead of appearing to side with the van driver who became angry because he took a horn warning as an abusive action. Maybe you could review this again as a lesson on when to use a car horn correctly.
I expect your viewer would appreciate an apology too.
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Thank you . Yours is the first comment on here which properly appreciates my actions .
I have commented earlier that the initial horn warning was not aimed primarily at the driver in the parked car but at the oncoming car , which I had seen entering the other end of the road when I checked across the fields at the beginning of the video ; I knew it was coming , but not how far away it was or at what speed ; hence the sustained horn warning ( feature 5 in the system ) was for the benefit of the oncoming driver who might have appeared at any moment and been confronted with me overtaking the two parked cars ; I also delayed the horn warning when I saw the pedestrian and didn't give it until I'd passed him , precisely because I didn't want him to think it was aimed AT him .
The second horn warning was longer because I thought something was about to happen and I wanted to get the attention of the numerous bystanders , who would have been witnesses . Adrenaline may have been a factor ; it certainly was when I took off , only to spot the cyclists just ahead . I had already determined that , when I came into Bo'ness I was not going to allow the situation to escalate into a high speed chase through a built up area , hence my reduced speed , even though I knew the van would overtake ; I always had the option of reversing , but I was also aiming to get to Grangemouth , where the nearest manned police station is .
And since others have commented , after passing my MOT driving test at age 17 , I did a couple of Police 'Better Driving Courses' with two local forces ; then I did the civilian advanced tests , first with the IAM , and then with League of Safe Drivers where I got , and maintained , a Class 1 ( later Rospa Gold ) renewed every three years until bringing up a young family and a change of career to support them meant I had to drop out of things due to the need to work lots of overtime to make ends meet . I spent a number of years ( about eleven ) as an assessor with the IAM South East Scotland Group , and was eventually one of three picked to go to Tulliallan and do a 'civilianised' version of the TPO ( Traffic Patrol Officer ) course , and then the PI ( Potential Instructor ) course both of which are delivered to a standard far above those of the civilian advanced organisations . After that , the three of us trained new assessors , both for IAM and Rospa . I now work with another blue light service and remain current as an emergency responder .
@@derekheeps1244 mate have you heard about this thing called slowing down? It's a better way of avoiding a collision than laying on your horn
@@5wheels178 Review the footage, the viewer had slowed to a safe speed, similar to that driven through a town with many more potential hazards of parked cars and pedestrians. In this particular scene, one pedestrian (van man) was walking on the right side, there were no other pedestrians visible near the stationary vehicles (it doesn't constitute an obstruction). There was a very clear view ahead and it was safe to make progress as the viewer did. He used his experience to assess that there was a potential risk of the vehicle being held by the footbrake moving off into his path without looking and being aware of the overtaking vehicle. If the occupied vehicle brake lights were not illuminated and the drivers seat was occupied, what are the other possibilities?
In this situation an experienced driver had considered this and much more, he had reduced his speed, made the decision based on experience and training that it was safe to continue his journey past the stationary vehicles whilst being aware of the potential actions, his clear use of the horn prevented a possible collision or injury and safely maintained the flow of traffic along a road with the national speed limit. With no oncoming vehicles yet visible, slowing down even more may have given the wrong idea to the seated driver..... "Is he slowing down to let me move off, I'm not sure but I'll go for it"
Forget about the notion that the use of a vehicle horn is a rebuke (yes, they often are, but the driver causing the response may be the only person to know). On your next drive, look for similar potential hazards, consider using your horn, but just cover the switch/button without sounding the horn (unless the risk is real enough to actually sound it). We don't have streets with the Hollywood soundtrack of horns blaring but the occasional warning will not harm anyone and maybe people would begin to understand that you're not "swearing" at them after avoiding a mistake or careless/dangerous manouver, you've reduced the chances of it happening.
Van man and his acquaintance should probably also offer the viewer an apology.
Mind that grease on your fifth wheels and pintles it's hard to wash off😉
@@derekheeps1244 That's okay D. The majority of road users wouldn't have even considered or been aware of the potential hazards which more experienced or highly trained drivers develop or learn.
For all that this site is intended, it appears to attract a large number of people who's remarks demonstrate very little or no understanding of safe and efficient driving. The site publisher then leaves them to create new guidance and a lot of rubbish, such as- when to use multiple or single horn soundings, and the length of each sounding.
Ash, you even posted a emoticon on one such piece of misinformation, which suggests that you agree with the horn codes when approaching/recognising a hazard. As professional Approved Driving Instructor, would you like to post a lookup table which could be hung on a dashboard so that when first noticing a potential hazard, drivers can consult the table, think which combination appl....... SMASH, "Oh, too late! They didn't look and crossed into the path of my car, but at least I didn't scare them by sounding the horn".
Perhaps a bit far to say the viewer did nothing wrong, but absolutely not deluded to say the van driver’s response was way over the top and completely unwarranted.
I don't understand the extended horn use at the start of this sequence, if as the cammer says it was just a warning that he was coming through then all that is required is a short beep. The length of the cammers horn use seems to indicate an admonishment which doesn't seem appropriate in the situation we see. Either the cammer simply does not know how to use a horn or this was not the start of the incident and there is earlier footage and we are missing the full context.
If that is the way the cammer normally uses his horn then perhaps he needs to learn to use just a simple short beep to avoid aggravating one of the many nutters we have on our roads that are triggered by horn use against them.
It was a warning of my presence to the driver of the oncoming car , which was still around the next bend at that point , although I had seen I'm when he turned into the other end of that road as I had the view across the fields , not knowing his speed , I had no idea how far away he was , and did not want to be confronted by him as I passed the two parked vehicles - that was why the sustained horn warning was correctly given . It was a warning of my presence to the oncoming driver , not any kind of admonishment as so many people wrongly assume .
I am very familiar with correct use of the horn , more so it would appear than most people on here , and no these was no earlier footage of any relevance since I had never seen these people before .
Here is a question. On Sunday while driving on some fairly wide 60mph B road an oncoming car was a good meter over the white line and jinked back in lane only on cresting a hill in a bend. There was plenty of time, but I still felt the need to "bleep" the horn.
My message intended was simple, "Tidy it up there bro!", "Easy now!", "Attention on the road please!"
Was this a reprimand? A retort? Or is it permitted that it was just a "Hey!". The horn was probably just under a 1 second sound as we passed.
Thoughts?
What a world, eh?
Upon encountering the initial situation, I think I'd have stopped behind the black car, rolled down the window and asked the guy in red if everything was okay.
Maybe THAT would have provoked a hostile response but at least, then, I could drive on, thinking "what a nobber" without further incident.
Guy in red obviously has anger issues but the Merc' driver is just has dangerous because it seems like he doesn't even realise that he drives in a way that's likely to antagonise and endanger other road users.
Sounds like my late grandfather; he did RoSPA's Advanced Driving and was always going on about it, even as his driving deteriorated...
I would have slowed down and asked red shirt man if he needed help.
Sure you would...
Look at the bike on the back of the Mercedes. Tells you everything, he’s not a driver, he’s a cyclist who’s found a way to drive a car. No wonder he’s trying to provoke motorists.
He’s taking us down from the inside.
Perhaps this will prompt the cammer to be a little less horn-happy in future. But I doubt it.
Oh offcause these people never change
Yes, we must all live in fear of, and change our behaviour to suit, the psychos. I know... Why don't we all just stay home and hide under the bed, where it's safe?
@@fredmercury1314 I don't need 'fear of psychos' to not slap the horn every time I see something mildly annoying on the road.
@@horrortackleharry Maybe so, but that is what you're advocating in your comment.
@@fredmercury1314 No it's not.
What I'm struggling to believe is that there's actually a police station within a short drive that's actually open. All the ones near me have either closed down or only open 10 minutes a week.
I think most people would agree that it's a bit harsh to call the cammer "deluded". Sure the seconds long reprimand on the horn was a little uncalled for but from what followed I wouldn't expect anyone to behave rationally when being pursued by a psychopath in a van.
Lol. When you realise you're being followed by someone like that, you think brake checking them is a sensible option. The cammer thought this was okay as a warning. The title of deluded is warranted, and you also think in the same manner.
@@ashley_neal Not at all, hence "not behaving rationally"
But then after the situation has gone to court and there is a resolution decides to send me the footage saying, although other than the initial horn warning which he still feel was warranted, he didn’t think he did anything wrong.
@@ashley_neal... which all goes to back up the cammer's 'police training' claim: i.e. entitled, unwilling to admit any fault, only telling part of the story, and most of all... despite giving clear evidence that he was driving dangerously, presumably no action taken against him.
This is just standard behaviour in Falkirk. Nothing to see here.
I think you were a bit harsh on this one Ashley. I don't think a quick toot of the horn was at all antagonistic. Apart from the brake check the cammer didn't do anything wrong. I think you were triggered by them telling you they had advanced police training.
Quick toot of the horn? How do you think most pedestrians would feel in this situation?
@@user10184 the highway code says the horn is to be used to warn another road user of your presence. In this situation it was used correctly.
The quick takeoff into the opposing lane at 4:50 I'd consider to be extremely reckless - zero vision and near-zero reaction time is available.
Should have reversed another ~15m or so at least to get more vision..
Not sure if this is the place, but I'd like to share a story about how one of Ashley's videos made me a safer rider
I was filtering through traffic that was at a standstill. Leaving a roundabout I came to a zebra crossing. There was a large white van on the left, obscuring my view of the crossing. Ashley's voice rang in my head saying "Do you see that old lady crossing? That moped didn't."
I of course stopped before the crossing and checked if anybody was attempting to cross, before continuing on my journey.
Not a particularly exciting journey, but journeys shouldn't be exciting, they should be safe.
Don't pass the vehicle nearest the crossing - any pedestrian crossing with zig-zags. It's against the law and you should know that. The specific clause in the law was devised for people like you.
I think your analysis is flawed and frankly incorrect. The only thing the Merc driver did wrong, aside from driving a Merc, is leaning on his horn a little too long. Did this warrant the ensuing behaviour of white van man sprinting back to his vehicle and then chasing Merc driver down? I don't think so. We all have to deal with irritations on the roads, but the van driver was a pyscho. His behaviour was totally unacceptable. He clearly has anger management issues. He saw red just like his shirt. He should have been prosecuted for what he did. How many other times has he tried this stunt to intimidate, scare and drive dangerously around other road users for any perceived slight he feels he has suffered? The guy needs to face some consequences for his awful behaviour, not only has driving but, the use of his vehicle as a weapon and criminal damage or attempt to do criminal damage by striking the Merc. I don't think the Merc driver did anything wrong. It must have been very scary for him and passenger(s) if he had any. If he exceeded the speed limit which he did, he can legitimately claim he was being chased by some he felt wanted to do him harm or damage to his vehicle which the footage clearly subsequently showed the van driver tried to do and that he, the Merc driver was trying to get away. He was lucky he had front and rear facing cameras to show what white van man did.
So Ashley you are totally off the mark, again, by apportioning any blame for this on the Merc driver.
They're definitely a copper, they were able to ream off a list of excuses to justify their actions at every step so they didn't get in trouble.
Out of curiosity... did they ever get to the bottom of why the van was parked like that in front of another car? I'm wondering whether the van had collided with the other car before embarking on this mission
They were together ; I returned a short time later to find them both around the corner on the wider part of the road , talking to each other .