CFB Insider Bruce Feldman on Whether 12-Team CFP Is Better Than Current Format | The Rich Eisen Show
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- FOX Sports/The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman and Rich Eisen discuss if the forthcoming 12-team College Football Playoff will be in improvement over the existing 4-team format.
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I legitimately dont think there is another sports league in existence more deserving of a 12 team playoffs. Name another league where undefeated teams have missed the playoffs?
The playoffs should have expanded but 12 teams was too much and the specific format was designed around conference championship games which are there to make money first and foremost. 6 was the perfect format IMO. Could give the top 2 a bye to maintain the integrity of the regular season while ensuring every truly great team made it. How often are people bummed the 7th or 8th best team didn't play for a national title?
@@commodorezeroit’s not too much considering that if you apply to the 21 century bcs era and the 4 team era most of the teams that get in are undefeated teams, 1 loss teams, or 2 losses teams that were really good. I believe that people like you listened to media too much when they were trying to prevent it. The 12 team playoff would’ve happened this year if it weren’t for the ACC. The worst record in the playoff would’ve been Missouri,Ole miss, and Penn state. The rest were either undefeated or had 1 loss
@@ItsdemontimeDarius The reason 12 teams was adopted because it makes all the conferences happy and could get an unanimous vote. Something better was not going to get an unanimous vote and the 12 team playoff was voted down because some conference leaders thought they could get a better system opposed to not being willing to take the 12 team model. Which is why they changed their votes when they realized they could not improve on the proposal. But you're saying they were wrong because there were consequences to their stand not because their stand wasn't logical or for the good of the sport.
There’s no doubt it will be better!
Oregon 70-14 Tulane
@@Mendoza1414game is played on the field
@@Mendoza1414Tulane wouldn’t have made it
I'll take a 12-16 playoff, I don't like playoff teams getting voted in, I hate this American Idol format. Playoff teams shouldn't be based on opinions.
I think twelve is too much of a expansion I would have started with eight and see what happens
100% agree. 12 is just too many. 8 would have been perfect as it would have only added 1 additional game for only 8 teams. But 12 is definitely better than 4,
Yes In multiple levels. All power 5 conference can get someone in the playoffs and the other teams can play for either hosting a first round of said playoffs or bye week if you are the top 4.
This looks awesome. On campus playoff games are going to be WILD.
No more conference championships
It's a disadvantage to the teams that play and others rest
Brock has no clue about college basketball. Last season Uconn was a clear top tier team and was not a shock they won it all
They're talking about FOOTBALL playoffs! LMFAOOOOOOO
More teams was inevitable. But, its gonna stink when star players get hurt in semi-final blowout games against mediocre teams.
It'll be better, but I don't understand why college football doesn't adapt something like the system from college hockey. Conference winners get auto-bids, and a known (even if the NCAA will *never* admit it) ranking system determines the rest. Everyone, even the smaller schools, get a shot by winning their conference and the teams that don't know exactly where they stand where as the season goes on. No "smoke-filled rooms," none of this pointless crap about whether sportsmanship should count, no "but X team only played Y teams" garbage.
That system works. The teams that make it are still plenty good, there are still plenty of upsets by smaller schools, and I can't think if a year where I felt like a team was left out that deserved to be in. You still have all the debate and excitement, it's just shifted to where teams get seeded and folks coming up with crazy scenarios various teams need to make it.
College hockey is not built around every individual regular season game being semi single elimination. That's why college football has been the most difficult to reform. Also the "smoke filled room" is because footballs BCS was widely criticized back in the day. The criticism wasn't really about the BCS so much as there only being 2 teams but thats the reason.
Apparently this dude doesn’t know this repeat stuff happens in every other sport even college bb
Why should Tulane a conference champ not receive the 6 seed and homefield advantage? The top six seeds in a 12 team playoff should all be conference champs.
i still think it should be 6 teams. 1 & 2 get byes. 5 Conf champs go...no matter what.
Chris spot on about the best team doesn’t always win it in college basketball. It’s literally just a tournament where 1 game knocks ya out, just like how most the teams that win their conference championship aren’t the best team either in their conference. Virginia Tech wasn’t close to the best team in the ACC and Kentucky was easily the best team in the nation when they only lost 1 game all year and it was in the final 4 to Wisconsin. 9/10 times they play Kentucky would’ve smoked them, that’s why the NBA plays 7 game series because they know a team could have an off night or a bad team gets hot. Best team usually wins the series
That’s what makes a championship special. You have to show up and play when called, even if you’re usually the better team. Stacking the system to protect the better teams so you get desired results takes a ton of what’s special away from a postseason for me.
The last comment in this video is why I think 12 is a little silly. I’m all for it vs 4, but I think 8 is the real limit of who you’re putting in there that can POSSIBLY beat the other 7.
Sure, anything can and DOES happen. But there’s not a ton of 2 loss teams that are going to beat your undefeateds.
Why is that an issue though? If you’re the better team then show up and win like you’re supposed to. But if you’re a good team like let’s say Bama last year who had two losses by so little they genuinely would’ve been competitive.
@@Matt-cr4vvI don’t think it’s an issue, I just think it’s more of a money grab than a search to get the best teams to play each other.
I’m definitely for 12 vs 4. It will for sure end all of the controversy. I just think 8 would do the same thing.
I think they would put more thought into the rankings past 7 if it was next year. Can't just say that's how it would be.
If we keep conference title games (especially now that there won’t be divisions so the best two teams always play), just make it the conference winner from each conference (including non power 5) goes to the playoff. Rank them the way the BCS currently ranks teams. Keeps every game as super important.
My only issue with the 12 team College Football playoff is how do you put Ole Miss in over undefeated Liberty even if Liberty wins their conference championship?
It will be better, but I don't think it will be Michigan and Ohio in the championship next year. I bet it will be Oregon and Michigan, followed by Washington and OSU. When it comes to the brackets, maybe the committee can put common opponents on the other side of the bracket.
As a hopeful Ohio state fan I think we are going to take back the reigns, we have out recruited the hell out of Michigan and they are losing a lot of guys next year
@@anthonyboles5905 We will lose a number of guys, but a significant number of 2nd and 3rd string players got plenty of playing time this season. The unknown is the QB position and the coach's status. If both return, Michigan will be among the top teams. If both leave, it will be difficult -- which will likely put us in the top 5 in the conference. That means, it will be important for Michigan to win vs. Texas early next year.
Wow, real concerned about that 16 games. Lets ask NDSU what they think.
The intensity doesn't go away, it moves to another weekend.
top six conference champs should be the top 6 seeds, at large the bottom six. And rankings should be computerized and transparent.
Still not any better. There should be 8 conferences, each champion plays in playoffs. Simple.
Just make a bracket like college basketball. NCAA or Nit
Conference championship games will go away a couple of years into this version. Watch.
6 or 8 teams would be the best, the matchups are indeed intriguing from 7-12 but unnecessary. A 3-loss team shouldn't be competing for the NC
Next year conversation will be who should be 10, 11 and 12
Its easy bigten wants to go to 10 conference games dont schedule the 10th game make it a 4 team conference championship have 1-4 5-8 9-12 13-16 bottom 2 teams in a loser bowl
The hand wringing is so weird to me. College Football has never been better and we're still worried about meaningful games. Seeding is huge. Homefield advantage is massive in College. If OSU lost say twice to Michigan, maybe they still get in to the 12 team but they certainly don't get 1st round homefield.
We want 6 dude. Not 12
Just get rid of the conference championships, they will be pointless with a playoff system
Brockman's take about the best team. The best team proves in on the field not in some ranking system.
This is the first year we have seen a need for an expanded playoff. Undoubtedly Florida State was left out in the cold, and hard to fathom Georgia being exiled. There will always be those teams on the cusp that will argue that they should be in the CFP, whether it is a 4-team, or 12-team CFP. A 12-team let’s too many into the tournament, thus minimizing the importance of the season schedule. The real Truth of the matter is there will be a ton of additional revenue made from 12 teams. The ideal solution is an 8-team playoff, which this year would have been the 4 undefeated’s, and the 4 1-loss teams, with a format taking into account the conference championship results. The end result should make the CFP quite a spectacle.
You don't need a 12 team playoff. Just treat the conference championships as playin games. There is only one national champion and it's hard to argue that you deserve a shot when you don't even win your conference championship. The 4 team playoff was fine, but that ship has sailed.
I love getting rid of conference titles. We end up with a ton of non competitive games every year and they add to the number of games players have to play. With this big of a playoff they have to go. The only one which will be missed will be the SEC championship
You guys need to chill there is nothing wrong with the double play it happens in the nfl all the time! That’s just how the chips fall!
They need to get rid of the committee. I don't care whether it's 2 teams, 4 teams or 12 teams. We need to remove the cancer, and find a more objective way of selecting.
Doesn't matter. There's always gonna be at least one team that gets left out and ppl will still complain about it not being fair.
gonna be worse. each week won't be as meaningful, as the importance of each and every single game will be de-valued greatly. several 2-loss teams would end up making the 12-team format (i.e. PSU and others), which defeats the intensity of the regular season. the reason why I watch CFB religiously every weekend was because each loss you accrued could be devastating, which made it so fun
I agree, but only marginally. Personally I would have loved to see an 8 team format.
In fairness if Tulane kept you out you don’t deserve to be there
OU is 12th in cfp, not Tulane.
False, the Group of 5 highest seeded conference champion gets in.
7 team playoff would be best
Giants were the best team. Twice.
Come on! You’re sounding like the NCAA thinking televising all of the games would destroy the game . . . . or how the BCS would destroy the “discussions” brought by the polls . . . . or the Final Four would destroy what the BCS gave the game . . . . etc. Why are you arguing against a meritocracy approach?
They should have went to an 8 team playoff. 12 is too many imo. 8 would have been perfect
I thought 6 because then you can preserve the importance of making top 2 but 8 was fine too. The reason for 12 teams is to make every conference happy.
How did tulane jump 5 spots?
Group of 5 team with the highest ranking get an automatic bid
Get rid of conf. Title games ! Serves the purpose of "too many games" for college athletes. More parity is coming to college football, just give it 3-4 years after the 12 team begins.
Hey Brockman! Like Elsa says: Let it go! Stop living in the past! 😂😂😂😂
If that seeding happened next year, you have 5 Big 10 and 5 SEC teams. No Big 12 and one ACC
I wonder if college football will eventually compete with the NFL with transfer portals/NIL. Going to 12 team playoff where people no longer believe its just a Alabama, Georgia, Clemson and OSU bias. They might still win, but for 12 team playoff thats a lot of fans that are no longer dissapointed. Get rid of the conference championships and simply have regular season champ.
Such a stupid way to get the same result in the end. 12 team format is ridiculous. We are going to have two or three loss teams compete against undefeated teams. The college playoffs was designed to limit the controversy of which teams are the top two. Not make an NFL style system. A 12th ranked team will never win a national championship and it just lets good teams get beat up more by lesser teams. Stupid expansion for college football.
How do you know? Enough with the beauty contest and calling it a playoff. It's an SEC invitational. Time to have a real playoff......on the field.
why arent more people talking about this??? the 12 team expansion is a terrible idea! it completely dilutes the regular season which currently is the best of any sport. the college football regular season is effectively a double elimination tournament. now going to 12 teams, theoretically, 2 loss teams would easily get in. you could have kids sitting out the michigan/osu game as it could be irrelevant. the current system is perfect.
How did the regular season go for FSU
What if in addition to conf champs (if they are going to stick around) we have a game that has the 2 best teams not competing in a conf championship (ie: OSU and Missouri this year)
'24 and '25 playoffs are already tied to the bowls
but starting in '26 the CFP can make the regular season mean A LOT by awarding the top 2 seeded teams home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
how's that for making every single regular season game an absolute must win?
home field advantage throughout the playoffs will satisfy the argument that some have about whether the best team actually won the national title.
if the committee has decided that the top 2 ranked teams are the 2 best teams at the end of the regular season, their opinions will have a greater chance of being validated because those 2 teams will have home field advantage.
the best way to ensure the regular season retains it's importance is to award the higher ranked teams a home game during their playoff run.
tha national title game will still occur at a neutral site.
I don't think anyone not a conference champion should be allowed in. Like tbe old basketball tournament. The conference championship needs to mean something. I don't care if its the number one team in the nation.
Tulane?
Did that bald dude say UConn wasn’t the best team what a dope
The current top 12 has 5 Big Ten teams (current and future) and 5 SEC teams (current and future) Maybe they should have a mini Big Ten tourney and a mini SEC tourney and have the winners play eachother for the Championship
I suspect one day this may be a reality. But not for a while.
I remember when there were 10 regular season games and if you were good enough (not 6-6) you went to a bowl game as there were only 18 or so. I don't know why but it was just better back in the day and you loved every week. But I'm 52 now so what the hell do I know?
Bring back pre-BCS. The Bowl games were always lit and always mattered and pretty much every year an adequate champion was selected. The few years that didn’t happen was pure chaos and great for the sport.
Terrible idea, even saying it u know it’s 12 team next year.
The difference between the #4, 5 and 6 teams can be negligible... heck, that's what seems to be what most of the discussion and discourse is about anyways.
The difference between #12, 13, and 14, to me, is usually a bit clearer.
Yes, the first team or two out will always gripe, just like they do during March Madness.
With football, I just can't think of a team which ended the season ranked #13-16 where I went "ya know, they really turned it on at the end of the year, and folks got it wrong... they deserved a better bowl game."
Why not 24 or 48, hell let’s have these kids play 20 games a season. 4 is the right number, they’re just going to get these kids hurt. There’s 17-19 year olds playing, while not many 17-18 starting freshman, they shouldn’t be playing that many games.
College football is a part of the pipeline to the nfl
High Schools already play 14-15 games per year including playoffs. Get rid of conference championships have a regular 9 conference games 3 out of conference so max would be 16 if you had no bye and made it to the championship. I understand fans of the SEC or BIG 10 having a issue as they have good thing going with committees and AP.
Bring. Back. The. B.C.S!
Next year, one thing that will reduce the chances of having a UM-OSU rematch in the B1G conference title game is the addition of the the west coast teams. Much more likely that the teams going to Indy will have a conference loss or two next year compared to this year's conference.
12 is too many and is strictly a money grab. Nobody can say with a straight face that Missouri, Penn St, Ole Miss and Tulane has a greater than 1% chance combined of winning on the road against a better team and then winning against one of the top 4 in the quarterfinal game. Let alone winning it all by rolling off 4 consecutive wins against much better teams. I'd be shocked if a 9 seed or higher ever makes the final, let alone wins it.
I mean Tulane beat USC last year in a NY6 bowl so it wouldn't surprise me if there were upsets.
@@markzylstra2947 Tulane were only 1.5 point dogs in that game, that was hardly an upset.
And while yes upsets happen in college football, they very very rarely happen back to back weeks. Let alone four times in a row.
I strongly disagree about needing a 12 team playoff. What NEEDS to happen is a nationwide conference realignment. 4 super conferences (combining all of the power 5 schools into 4 new conferences), and having a 4 team playoff in each conference right after the regular season to determine each of the 4 conference champs. Then those 4 conference champs compete in the CFP playoff like it is today. That’s the fairest way to get the best 4 in this sport.