HeroQuest II: Legacy of Sorasil | Retro Reviews
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- A retrospective review of Gremlin's 1994 dungeon crawler, which was a direct sequel to 1991's HeroQuest. Looks at the game's slightly convoluted development, how the gameplay and presentation differed from the first game, and its awkward relationship with the HeroQuest licence. Also compares HeroQuest II to two more recent HeroQuest-inspired computer adaptations - Dark Quest and Warhammer Quest. Timestamps are below. Next video will be the alternate history action game Crimson Skies.
00:00 Opening
01:08 Part 1 - Introduction and History
01:19 1.1 - Overview
03:44 1.2 - Development History
20:04 Part 2 - Gameplay
20:26 2.1 - Gameplay Basics
31:34 2.2 - Gameplay Analysis
51:59 2.3 - Warhammer Quest and Dark Quest
59:44 Part 3 - Art and Sound
1:00:03 3.1 - Visuals
1:08:46 3.2 - Audio and Music
1:13:44 3.3 - HeroQuest II on modern systems
1:15:52 Part 4 - Story and Writing
1:16:13 4.1 - Story Overview
1:20:07 4.2 - Story Analysis
1:31:11 Part 5 - Outro and Acknowledgements - Ігри
Ridiculously under-subscribed and underrated retrospective channel. I'm learning about so many PC games from you.
ya the channel deserves so much more, I couldnt remember the name of it. Searched the name of games he went over and all I get is dnd ads search engines suck so much. Luckily I have the myth video in favorites.
Can we all agree that the game-cover is pure Sword and Sorcery-Badassery right there ?
We need more such Fantasy-art that oozes that glorious Fantasy-awesomeness !
Agreed! I miss that era.
It's that 80s Franzetta conan style, can be seen on a good few console game in the 90s like Golden Axe
The best type of cover that you could dream of
Couldn't agree more, brother!
Amen!
I literally said out loud before going into my subs "I could go for some new overlong essay about some random old RPG I've never played" and like providence! Seriously though, these videos are addicting.
Dude that's always what I could go for.
@@captainfantastic7643 I wasn't being sarcastic.
I just found this channel a week ago. I really enjoy these long reviews. It's a nice middle ground between a synopsis and full play through.
I'll never play these old titles, so it's a nice way to experience them.
The approach and tone of this channel is perfect, my likes and subscription don't do it justice. Love the work. Hoping a thriving success is in your future.
Thanks! I've got a couple of thousand views on an obscure isometric Amiga dungeon crawler - that's my measure of success for the channel, and more than enough to keep me doing it ☺☺
I had no idea this was a thing before you brought this up in the previous video. This game really makes me wonder how "Space Crusade II" could've been - expanding the core system into either an RPG or a tactical experience.
Amazing content as usual. So happy to have found your channel. Only matter of time before it blows up. Great stuff man.
God I love this channel. Thank you for your consistent high quality uploads!
Love finding long-form old game content. Looking forward to chewing through your reviews
Love your videos! You make great content! Thanks for doing it!
I really want this channel to get bigger.
But then it wouldn't be special :P
Welcome back king. Work you done is always the best.
Love your videos, please keep doing them. I love obscure old games 💕
I'll keep going as long as I'm able :D
Awesome video. You deserve to be much bigger. Great work. So glad I found this channel. Came here from some guy banging on about Space Hulk 2.
Oh really? I'll make a video on those games too - one day in the far future :D
Cant wait to watch this when I get time, the notification works at least.
Have a good weekend. :)
Fantastic job..., just perfect!!!
Don't even know half the games you cover, still watching all of your content because it's just so well made.
Congrats for this video, I am so impressed for your accuracy. I have been analyzing this videogame since much time ago, and it has been really awesome seeing that you mostly ask yourself the same questions about the game as I asked me 😂. Nevertheless, the video pops up some points that I didn't know, many thanks about that!!
Never even knew this game exists. Good stuff, subscribed!
Amazingly detailed review of HeroQuest 2.
Aw hell yeah, another great deepdive on an obscure RPG! 😍😍
Thank you very much for this one, great, great review 🙂
Just subbed, love your content
Oh man, I'd love a deep dive of Soulbringer!
Great deep dive into a game I couldn't play (at the time) on my PC based on one of my favorite tabletop games of all time.
Thanks! I played the CD32 version as a kid but the Vampire in the first level was too scary 🤣
@@MrEdders123 Wow. CD32? Don't know if I should be envious or take pity on ya. :)
binged the entire channel. this is what i had always imagined a videogame channel on actual Television would play out. didnt zone out once, 11/10 presentation and not a scream, longwinded nostalgic diatribe or persistent unfunny bit outstaying its welcome in sight.
Great video !
I was in a random pawn shop one day and in a glass case I noticed a board game. Went up to it and it was a game called hero quest. I got it and played it with my boys for months. Such a fun game.
It was very popular for a while but went out of print. Original, undamaged copies of the board game were worth a bit of money before Hasbro relaunched it a few years back. Not sure if they're worth less or more since then.
@@MrEdders123 mine was in ok condition it had all the pieces but the box had been taped up I paid 75 for it and didn't regret it
@@MrEdders123about £40-60 complete in the UK on eBay. Some people are still trying to get £150+ but they've got no chance
Cover art is beautiful. I miss the old days where cover art was painted.
Happened with books and movie posters too. Really sad, although it seems like the pool of artists able to create that level of quality has shrunk as well.
Never knew there was a sequel to this game, I guess this should have been the original release of Hero Quest instead of the official original one
Could you imagine a *Space Crusade 2* in this engine! That'd be glorious!
I might not have achieved much in life but at least I was bmhere before 6000 subs, and that's cool.
Greatly underrated channel!
Thanks mate :D
Nice work
I hope you get more subs, you deserve it
Time to make some popcorn :D
I don't know what to say, great video. Like alwes.
I've been playing this since getting my a500 mini a few months ago. I learnt to put the casters at the start of the line up, otherwise you will waste the effectiveness of some spells. Completed 3 levels but it was so difficult without having the casters first in the line-up. For example if you attack you can still take damage unless Petrify is cast on the enemy. If the caster with Petrify is at the end of the turn order the spell is useless. You can never change to line-up, not even in between levels so put your casters first.
Thought I'd post some class notes I made from this video.
Fighters = Dwarf,Barbarian, & Paladin
All Rounders= The ranger, the adventurer (before getting an arrow in the knee), & Cleric. (Elf?)
Casters= Wizard & Mystic.
The graphics alone make me want to play this.
Another great video, can't wait for the Crimson Skies one.
[P.S. Age of Sigmar sucks bigtime, undo the End Times fiasco and bring back Warhammer Fantasy. The Old World is a cop out.]
Might as well watch a cozy Edders video at 3 AM while it’s storming outside.
Sorry for not watching/commenting lately but my job cancelled home office .
Thanks for this retrospective as I have hear a lot of Heroquest from people older than me and your vids have helped me a lot.
Also are you planing on cover the Heroquest Board Game?, I would love to hear you about it, especially about the new edition that is currently available.
Unfortunately no boardgames, I live abroad and it's not realistic for me to hold on to too much physical media beyond CDs and such. If my circumstances were different I would definitely consider it. I suppose hypothetically it could be played in "Tabletop Simulator" but again, convenience/scheduling issues would be an issue. I know there are a few reviews and "LP"-style videos on the new boardgame out there but I don't have any specific recommendations 😇
@@MrEdders123 I got you,recently moved from department and its a mess, too many books from my side.
Well , I will be waiting for the next vid soon, greetings from México City!
Finally! One of my fav games on the amiga. I hardly made it thru the 1st level and since i didnt how to heal between levels i got always killed in the next one. But as a 10yro i loved it anyway :D
Your video is great
Man this game looks cool actually would have loved to actually play this
Try Dark Quest II :)
daek quest 2 is one sale now steam
I didn't realise how aptly named the game is for this review. This is about the legacy of the Legacy of Sorasil :)
Crimson Skies?! Tomorrow Monday we'll likely hear from Harebrained Schemes' next project from Paradox's stream. Rumor has it they are fixing Vampire:tM 2.
Unfortunately it's just some sort of 30s Freedom Force lol
@@MrEdders123 Shadowrun for the Pulp/Dieselpunk crowd. :P
I subscribed so I can claim being an early adopter when you hit 50K.
9:30 What background music is this? Pretty please?
"mod.hquingame" from the original Amiga soundtrack I think - www.lemonamiga.com/games/details.php?id=4571
Yeah new video! Honestly this game does look pretty fun, like a weekend chill game...even if I get my ass beat in the end haha
Soulbringer would make an interesting video essay
Hopefully cover it at the start of next year. There are huge gaps in its development history unfortunately, you just get snippets from old magazines, interviews in the Gremlin Archive and Gremlin in the Works book. If I'm lucky, maybe I can find someone from Gremlin to talk about it.
Mr. E, any thoughts on Baldur's Gate 3? Where do you think the story will go? Minsc and Jaheira appear on a recent trailer.
To be honest I've barely been following BG3, I don't really consider it part of the series - more part of the Larianverse, if you like. I suppose it would be interesting to do a video comparing it to the originals...in 20 years :D
@@MrEdders123 I'm not a dnd guy but it looks like dnd for the year 2023.
1:29:00 - Mind flayers *are* copyrighted, but so are beholders, and suspiciously beholder-like creatures appear in this game as well.
I think Wizards/TSR has just had a shifting legal relationship with their IP-based creatures over time and only enforces the copyright selectively and mostly in connection to the OGL, though. There's a blatant Mind Flayer in Final Fantasy XIV for instance, which both looks like a D&D mind flayer and is called "Mindflayer" as its monster name.
Yeah I noticed that too, I looked into it but there was a lot of discussion over trademarks vs. copyright etc. (something that was also an issue in the Milton Bradley/Runescape dispute over HeroQuest).
By the way if you ever plan to cover Deus Ex ... you have to also talk about the PS2 port ... that like Crimson Skies is a different beast... new gui , CGI cutscenes , different mission structure and maps , new models ... making it (even if the story is similar) a totally different game
Same with Splinter Cell Games ... PC and Consoles are totally different games ... the most visible is this in SC : Double Agent on PC\Xbox360 it was a non-linear game when timing\what thing you did in what order\or even who did you talked to ... gave you a different mission\objectives\map you play on... by many it was a clusterfuxk of bad writing ... but on PS2 even if it had the same name , it was a totally different game ... following a different script , with superior writing
21:31 The meat candle.
1:02:43, it almost looks like the skeleton right there has beefed out biceps and pecs
Look at the muscularity!
I love this gamr. l give it a 10 A+
For those wondering the "Worlds of Legend" game mentioned in the review section is "Worlds of Legend: Sons of Empire" a sequel to The Four Crystals of Trazere, I mention this because just typing "Worlds of Legend" won't net you any information about the game
I actually found it quite quickly when I looked it up - FCOT's original title ("Legend") was another matter 😁
@@MrEdders123 When I looked it up I only got League of Legends afs
@@cyberninjazero5659 Maybe I searched it on Mobygames or something...but yeah it's not an easy game to research (don't get me started on "Silver"!)
@@cyberninjazero5659 hey
@@misterkefir Hello!
I see the Grimbeard name in here also - is that a reference to a fellow UA-cam or an actual character name?
All the names are fixed. I would never stoop to creating a character named "Angor the Barbarian", for example 😆😆 I don't recall if Grimbeard was the dwarf's name in the first game or boardgame (they weren't consistent about names anyway), but technically speaking the model/art design is also Games Workshop's famous "White Dwarf" mascot (the history of that design is a bit confusing, with miniature poses, early art etc.). Staz Johnson did two designs for him - the one seen in AGITW, who looks closer to the in-game sprite, and the final one that looks like the boardgame version.
every game should have a rat powered action point gauge
Goddamnit, came here to find out how exactly perception works.
Based
Based on what?
When you will do that Crimson skies thing... explain the xbox\PC thing ... how the PC version feels like part 1 and the Port for xbox 1 , that was to be canceled , but after dev hell was pushed out looking like a thing that could be on today's consoles ... and feels like part 2 ... with story structure similar to Halo
The Xbox version isn't really a port so much as a totally different game, so I won't be covering it in the CS video. I will mention some of the development background like it being developed as an "interactive movie" before switching to a quasi-open world hub-system with sidequests etc.
@@MrEdders123 same can be said about all Disney games ... same name, different product ... just see Wall-e, on PS3\360 its a sandbox game build on the story from the movie , on PS2 its a Movie based platformer with FMV cutscenes from the movie and levels around them ... or when Ubisoft and EA ported to PC Xbox 1\PS2 versions then the ones from Xbox360 (when M$ paid studios to do dirty tricks to Fake X360 graphical Power) ... fine examples are Godfather 1 ,or Peter Jackson's King Kong ,or even the game GUN ... PC got the xbox 1 version, then the xbox360 ... the difference in quality was the size of the Grand Canyon ... from textures , to pixel shader effects , to assets , to FPS (when one was in locked 30 the other 60)
i know that's right
No!
Hah, a Pelit review. Those were the days.
Whenever someone makes a comment with the word "pelit" on one of my videos, there's a 50% chance UA-cam flags or deletes it...not sure why lol
You said Darkest Dungeon was released in 2017. Pretty sure it was in 2015
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37:33 Grimbeard finally sighted! He's shorter then I expected 😁
I SAW GRIMBEARD
That's the character's actual name though 😆
Comment for yt algorithm
klanrat was not here
37:58 git gud. :)
Ask your doctor if Sorasil is right for you.
One of the best RPG game if all time , folks , even with some little wrongs here , still, the best ...
THERE WAS A 2? I still have the first heroquest boardgame. Most of the components as well
Wish I still had mine! OG Heroquest boxes are pricey to find nowadays
Algorithim sacrifice confirmed
Howdy Mr. Edders, loving your video!
Not sure how else to contact you, but I coincidentally have a Space Hulk video coming out in about a week. Would you perhaps be interested in a small follow up collab where we show each other the respective board game versions of the games we just reviewed?
Shoot me an email if you're interested, thanks mate!
Hey William, I don't really do collabs due to scheduling, convenience and generally not being good at managing my time (I work full-time in a very front-facing job and don't want any overlap). 😰 I really appreciate the offer though. Probably won't cover the Space Hulk games for some time anyway, but if you need any help on research or whatever let me know. Feel free to post your video in the comments or whatever when you do it, I have nothing against people cross-advertizing or whatever 🙂I'll be sure to reference any videos you make on the topic of the boardgame once I do get to covering the videogames, as I don't play boardgames myself and outside perspectives are always welcome.
Love your channel by the way - you have no idea how mad I was when I saw your DTUM video whilst in the middle of editing my own 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@MrEdders123 no worries bud, schedules are a pain!
But likewise, I've been enjoying your stuff since I stumbled across your Baldur's gate video!
And oof, that was an awkward week, eh? I felt so bad about that! But I mean, how could either of us have known we'd both be working on reviewing the same obscure and hated 90's game at once?
But either way, I think it's neat that we review similar games but in very different ways - shows how much room there is to experiment in this niche!
@@WilliamSRD Cheers! And yeah no worries - it's not as bad as the time Computer Gaming Yesterday released his Baldur's Gate video right before mine...twice!😁