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A 15 minute spread between the Model 3 and I6 after 3,000 miles doesn’t suggest the Tesla network is still vastly superior to EA, EVgo and all the other options. Thankfully there are options and competition for DC fast charging. More importantly there are home charging options for most people’s day to day EV driving.
The Ioniq 6 is 800V, which gives it a higher and longer curve. Most superchargers are still 400V. That will change this coming year as they begin connecting those V4 stalls to 1,000 volts chargers. And that will benifit every manufacturer. ' But yes, the others are seeing all the billions that Tesla is making with charging and are finally getting serious about it. Especially on heavy EV adoption areas.
@@COSolar6419 Well, they installed 2,700 stalls this past quarter. That's more than some other providers install in an entire year. They leave V2 chargers in many places rather than upgrading them, because they are in areas with low EV adoption and it allows Teslas to cross such areas without issues. They are adding V3 or V4's to some of those areas and still leaving the V2's. At the end of the day, the more chargers the better. Don't replace something that's working, just keep on adding.
The biggest difference if you compare both cars experiences is many tesla Stations are much closer to the high way. Would be helpful to calculate how many miles both cars did off the highway.
@@gelu88 Which is why I said on another thread that the EV6 should have charged to 70 or 75% everytime, rather than between 40's to 60's percent on quite a few stops, and then wasting time driving to those father out stations.
Thanks for participating in the I-90 Surge. It was a lot of fun to watch! I agree that EA is getting a lot better. We went on a 2,000 mile trip in July and EA was damn near flawless. Ironically, the only station where we failed to charge was a Magic Dock Supercharger. EA has upgraded several stations near me to the new 350's, which seem to be more reliable. There is still room for improvement, but I'm hopeful. $0.58/kWh is pretty brutal! You paid (or would have paid) maybe $200 more than a reasonably efficient gas-powered sedan. Of course in the real world, expensive DC charging balances against cheap AC charging at home, work, hotels, or campsites. We road tripped a lot this year and still came out ahead overall, paying about $0.20/kWh on average for all charging.
My mom lives near Victor NY. I live in Ann Arbor. I bought my Bolt a year ago. I’ve driven 3 round trips so far on I-90 between Toledo and Victor. I’ll probably stop at that Walmart in Erie PA again on my way home from Thanksgiving in 2 weeks. I’ll be thinking of you! It was fun watching various teams stop at all 4 of the fast charging stations I’ve used. However, my charge stops aren’t that fast. One time in Erie while charging 9 to 80%, I walked from Walmart to Chipotle, ate in the restaurant, and walked back. That took about an hour. I wish there were better sidewalks!
Your team did a great job! The whole concept was very entertaining. I look forward to seeing more videos like the I90 Surge. Getting UA-cam influencers to drive cars tied to their channels content is brilliant.
I watched the series on the Out of Spec channel so this was a really nice addition to that viewing. I appreciate hearing that the difference between the I6 and the M3 really just came down to a couple of charging and logistical issues. But for those, the standings could have been flipped! Nice to hear your perspective because as much as I like what Out of Spec does, Kyle's obviousTesla bias gets annoying after awhile. ;-) I'm also happy to hear you're feeling better about road trips. Honestly, that has been one of my mild annoyances with your channels is the limited New England perspective. (I have the same annoyance with Consumer Reports and their car reviews.) Driving issues in the west are so much different than the east it is refreshing that you now can relate to the Western driving experience. I have taken my 2023 Ionic 5 SEL Duel Motor round trip from Sequim, WA to Colorado twice. Both times I did not have any major issues with EA stations except for Rock Springs, WY. That station was built but not on line yet when I did my trips. It is on line now. One issue we face out west is road tripping in winter with reduces range and the distance between stations. My last trip was January 2024 and I ended up staying at a hotel in Wyoming using my Tesla Tap for overnight L2 charging because temps in the 20's reduced my range to the point I would not have made it to the next station. Anyway, great job! I'm glad you had fun.
You were one of the teams that charged deeper into the packs outside of the Taycan and the Genesis, however, those stops where you only charged in the 40's to 60 something percent cost you guys 2nd place. Since you had an 800V EV which's curve is much higher than the 400V Model 3 past 40 percent or so, even with the chargers and other issues, you still would have taken 2nd if you would have charged to at least 70 to 75% every time. Great race either way. Thanks for being part of it, and for all the long hours of driving you did for us to see what it's like on such a long race in EV's.
@@junehanzawa5165 Not entirely accurate, overcharging on one stop might push you up into the "Korean siesta" reduced power zone down the line. All things being equal dropping minimums from 10% to 5% will have less impact on kW average than bumping peak from 80% up to 85%. Could have probably managed an extra 5% but 70-75% everywhere isn't ideal in a race format where you're driving inefficient on at most 70% of your nameplate capacity and essentially stopping at every major station on the route anyways.
@sniperczar I didn't say to go past 80%, which is where the Korean siesta happens. The logic is that CCS chargers are placed much farther away from the main highways than Superchargers and you lose at least 10 minutes (if not 15 at times) getting there and back many times. And then all the connection/handshake delays/issues. That's time that could be spent charging above 160kW until the mid to high 70 percent range, and skipping a few charging stops along the way.
As I have mentioned before on this channel, I lease this same year model and trim level of the Ioniq 6, and I rode trip with it frequently. This result is completely consistent with my own experience with the I6 DC charging speeds. Even after eight months with the car, I’m still blown away by how fast this thing charges on a good DC fast charger. I’ve been telling my friends that it is just flat spooky-fast, and they always claim I am exaggerating. So now I can refer them to this video for independent evidence that my experience is real. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I love the charge curve on this thing, very little penalty in overcharging to a better buffer which is great for these type of trips as you can reduce the risk having a negative arrival and having to slow/bail.
I watched the whole race. Ya done good! I was pulling for you all the way!! We live in FL and have taken our Ioniq 5 to Ohio a couple times, one of which also included Iowa. Glacier NP is on our bucket list, so I was especially interested in your Wyoming and Montana experiences. We should have Super Charger access by next summer, so that might make the trip even easier in those areas. I'm looking forward to your full report. 👍👍
Enjoyed watching the series and also your summary - for your books: We own an Ioniq 5 RWD big Battery: driven 24000km pretty much now 12 months - so one full year / all seasons: Average 19,4 kwh/100km. Greetings from Northern Europe - Finland
I think more emphasis needs to be made on the different battery sizes. The Taycan has 30ish extra kWh which makes a huge difference. Same for the Lucid and Model S. Ot really goes to show that the Ioniq 6 was a huge contender while handicapped with a smaller battery.
Wonderful video. I loved the detailed data dive. I hope to see similar data for the other cars. I drove from Sioux Falls to Spokane September 18 and returned on September 25. While going west the head winds were horrible (I think 55 mph gusts). I think a Boston to Seattle trip would be very interesting because of the headwinds problem. Keep up the good work.
EA gets a lot of flack but only Tesla has a similar level of geographic coverage. And they can't charge every make of vehicle yet. If we're gonna poop on EA for their wonkiness, we should also criticize EvGo for not having enough locations and Tesla for not being able to charge all vehicles.
How much fuel costs did the burner car total up (Acura TLX Type S)?¿ You said the potential electric charging costs could have been $567.64, so I'm curious about the petrol costs.
I'm surprised this was your first long trip. The i6 is the one car in this group that I would seriously consider. 2 months after getting my 2024 Mach-E Rally, I did a 4000 mile round trip to OK and CO from MI. What is interesting is that I have driven that that entire route over a few different trips in previous cars.
I really do think all things being equal the Ioniq 6 was probably the 3rd place car ahead of the M3. Efficiency was actually pretty poor IMHO. I was surprised how much the I6 was consuming. Lucid also appeared to be really consuming the juice. The M3 if that number can be believed was pretty impressive. The M3 team really did optimize the best and it appeared their gambles paid off. I think you guys took some risks and had some setbacks. I think that kept you guys toward the back of the pack until you started to hit a rhythm. Any time you have to limp on one of the legs you are going to pay for it in these races and it is hard to get that ground back unless someone else makes a mistake. The eGMP cars charge so well it is really a no brainer to just hammer that 10-80% charge window and if you have extra charge at the next stop that is just that much less you need to charge to hit 80% the next time. Rinse and repeat that. Drafting is where I pick up the rock chips. Last road trip I got a bad one because the navigation arrival SOC collapsed on the trip out of nowhere so I was looking for a way to keep up my speed but stretch out the juice until the next charge. So I tucked in behind a big rig. Turns out I should have just slowed down and not tried to draft the big rig flinging rocks up from the road. On the topic of not stressing the planning I think that really all depends on where you are going and if you are going to stay on the main highways. Any trip cutting across rural areas that are EV deserts still takes some planning. Congested holiday travel, bad weather, and malfunctioning chargers complicate things. I no longer trust the NAV SOC on arrival so I leave plenty of padding for the bad charger stops. I have had that save my bacon a couple of times now. Once the eGMP cars have Tesla SC access it will make it a lot less stressful as long as you stay on the beaten path. Get off the beaten path and it gets dodgy. It is wise to still do some planning. LOL
Great video, but just wanted to let you know EA terminated my Hyundai charging plan for charging a different VIN. It's in the T&C. I had a Ioniq5 loaner when mine was in the shop for ICCU recall.
Thanks Corbin...I literally just finished watching part 4 of the challenge then watched your video here. I'll have to go back and see what the fossil car paid for fuel then vs what you would have paid. But and I know it was a longer video and not a normal type of road trip that most people would do the EV's would still be a nicer place to be than any dino juice car. Since I converted in 2019 with my original 28kWh Ioniq and now with my 64.8kWh Kona(2024) I love driving them and do want to do a proper road trip now I have a bigger battery EV with longer range. I don't live in the US mind you we have CCS2 as our charging connectors for all EV's including Tesla.
What I noticed was that here in the UK our highways have service areas right on the highways that have 6, 12 24 or more high powered chargers and you had 2, with some lower power ones.
Just watched old out of spec 10% challenge on the Ioniq 6 but it was limited spec with 20" wheels. Would love to see another using to rear wheel with the smaller tires as a comparison.
They have a newer 10% challenge video (using the same Ioniq 6 SE RWD that was used in this race) that shows how much better the 18" wheels combined with RWD are for road tripping. That bumped the Ioniq 6 from a pretty good 117 miles in the 10% challenge all the way up to an impressive 141 miles. So you may want to look for the newer video, which came out a month or so ago. Seeing it helped confirm my own choice, so I just took delivery of my very own Ioniq 6 in that same SE RWD configuration.
Fun stuff, and encouraging. I'm still a bit wary of the idea of roadtripping an EV, but I see that fear as increasingly irrational. For now, I'll stick to ICE when going cross-country but I'm increasingly likely to consider an EV trip down the west coast.
The HVAC estimation bug is not something I've really seen specifically, but they do bug out on fast chargers sometimes. My Ioniq 5 wouldn't turn on the AC after a session once. Air blew, it said AC was on, but it definitely was not. I think the car doesn't like it when you have it on while charging, disconnect, and start driving without turning the car off. In my case I just pulled over at a gas station (ha) and rebooted it and suddenly everything was fine. There have been some discussions in r/ioniq5 about this so I know mine isn't unique. Not the exact same problem you experienced but that's the closest thing I know of. What did you (allegedly) do to get pulled over? I can't remember if you said. Someone got busted for accelerating too fast in the acceleration lane (lol), but I think that was another team unless. I may be mistaken, but I'm not rewatching all that. Good job team Ioniq 6! Some snafus are expected, and you managed them well and stayed competitive. Of course I'd love to have seen you beat the top Tesla, but there's no question you gave them a run for their money. Given all the other advantages of the Hyundai, including the fact that it's the cheapest car in the race via the lease loophole (for now), it's definitely the winner in terms of value for money.
Definitely the Pilot/Flying J with the lovely canopy, wipe parking spots and a store 100 feet away with tons of amenities. And also maybe 1/4 mile off the interstate. Close second would be the EA station at the rest areas in Ohio. So convenient but also had no food late at night
i was wondering why you guys didn't try something like switching to the Hyundai navigation just for 20-30 mins before a charging stop, just for the sake of activating the preconditioning while having maps open on phone of passenger to make sure it doesnt lead you astray? was the temperature outside not cool enough for that to be worth the extra effort?
Yeah temps were pretty good. The first night I think it got down into the 40s but because we were dc charging so much the pack never had much time to cool off
I wondered how the initial placement in 5th/6th was overcome, and I’m glad it was that you learned some specific things rather than just feeling a bit more intuitive with the car! 49 hours to cross the country is really good, or another stat would be 11%? time spent charging vs trip time. I’m looking forward to hearing what you learned, since I have previously very much struggled with electric motorcycle travel, and my Ioniq 6’s first road trip was a huge relief. I went from SF to Wisconsin and did find the predominant usage of Walmart parking lots kind of a bummer. I guess if I had a better knowledge of how to use the car without losing time, I could splurge on more scenic roads and stops. That’s what I’m hoping, anyway.
I will say that on more than one occasion, the SE RWD long range model’s extra efficiency meant I could skip a bad EA stop for something 60 miles away. That was a huge upgrade, being able to just ignore a glitchy set of stations with a couple of cars lined up. The fact that I can get that out of a relatively lightweight sedan instead of an expensive luxury model that weighs more is really nice.
@@junehanzawa5165 TBH for trips I intend to enjoy, Superchargers at 100kW or less would be fine if it meant a nicer place to walk around in. Per day, charging 2-3 times is plenty on this car, and the rate reduction might cost an hour total, but that hour might be spent eating or hiking. So, really not much of a limiting factor.
That would be the Taycan. Not even close. As Corbin said, and we saw in the videos, their stops were mostly 10 to 12 minutes long. And that's with them going well past 70% if not close to 80% almost every time. The one mistake they did make was unplug early in the mid 60's percent when they were still getting 297kW. They then had to cut back on their speed to get to the next stop.
I’m curious why the anti-EV camp doesn’t highlight how expensive EV road tripping is. With gas at $3.00, a 30MPG car costs $0.10/mile - roughly half of what you paid for charging the Ioniq 6. I charge my Ioniq 5 at home and still have EA credits so haven’t felt it yet. A less efficient EV would cost even more.
"Raced"...The only portion of the competition that resembled a race was at the DCFC's. Each team would have the person sitting in the back "race" out of the car and have it plugged into the charging port ASAP.
@TheIoniqGuy It was a very enjoyable set of videos to watch. It was also very nice hearing one of the participants say "seeing foliage in New England has been a dream of mine" knowing, I've been taking advantage of that beauty for Decades.
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Only 2 hours difference coast to coast between an ICE and an EV is quite impressive, especially given the gigantic difference in efficiency.
Y'all did so good. I forgot you got pulled over. Yes, you would have gotten 2nd. You still did great!!
Looking forward to the 4 hour video!! I'm glad Hyundai lent you the 6.
Was so disappointed that most of the original videos had so few clips from your car.
@@Bzzap83 agreed. We got very little of the Ioniq 6 and Taycan but a lot of the other cars.
@@Dactylonian I suspect that is because there was little drama from those two cars for most of the trip.
A 15 minute spread between the Model 3 and I6 after 3,000 miles doesn’t suggest the Tesla network is still vastly superior to EA, EVgo and all the other options. Thankfully there are options and competition for DC fast charging. More importantly there are home charging options for most people’s day to day EV driving.
The Ioniq 6 is 800V, which gives it a higher and longer curve. Most superchargers are still 400V. That will change this coming year as they begin connecting those V4 stalls to 1,000 volts chargers. And that will benifit every manufacturer. '
But yes, the others are seeing all the billions that Tesla is making with charging and are finally getting serious about it. Especially on heavy EV adoption areas.
@ Given how many Version 2 Superchargers have yet to be upgraded to V3 it could be awhile before many V4 appear.
@@COSolar6419 Well, they installed 2,700 stalls this past quarter. That's more than some other providers install in an entire year. They leave V2 chargers in many places rather than upgrading them, because they are in areas with low EV adoption and it allows Teslas to cross such areas without issues. They are adding V3 or V4's to some of those areas and still leaving the V2's. At the end of the day, the more chargers the better. Don't replace something that's working, just keep on adding.
The biggest difference if you compare both cars experiences is many tesla Stations are much closer to the high way.
Would be helpful to calculate how many miles both cars did off the highway.
@@gelu88 Which is why I said on another thread that the EV6 should have charged to 70 or 75% everytime, rather than between 40's to 60's percent on quite a few stops, and then wasting time driving to those father out stations.
Thanks for participating in the I-90 Surge. It was a lot of fun to watch!
I agree that EA is getting a lot better. We went on a 2,000 mile trip in July and EA was damn near flawless. Ironically, the only station where we failed to charge was a Magic Dock Supercharger. EA has upgraded several stations near me to the new 350's, which seem to be more reliable. There is still room for improvement, but I'm hopeful.
$0.58/kWh is pretty brutal! You paid (or would have paid) maybe $200 more than a reasonably efficient gas-powered sedan. Of course in the real world, expensive DC charging balances against cheap AC charging at home, work, hotels, or campsites. We road tripped a lot this year and still came out ahead overall, paying about $0.20/kWh on average for all charging.
My mom lives near Victor NY. I live in Ann Arbor. I bought my Bolt a year ago. I’ve driven 3 round trips so far on I-90 between Toledo and Victor. I’ll probably stop at that Walmart in Erie PA again on my way home from Thanksgiving in 2 weeks. I’ll be thinking of you!
It was fun watching various teams stop at all 4 of the fast charging stations I’ve used.
However, my charge stops aren’t that fast. One time in Erie while charging 9 to 80%, I walked from Walmart to Chipotle, ate in the restaurant, and walked back. That took about an hour. I wish there were better sidewalks!
Your team did a great job! The whole concept was very entertaining. I look forward to seeing more videos like the I90 Surge. Getting UA-cam influencers to drive cars tied to their channels content is brilliant.
Cool to see you put out your own version of the race. Looking forward to it!
I watched the series on the Out of Spec channel so this was a really nice addition to that viewing. I appreciate hearing that the difference between the I6 and the M3 really just came down to a couple of charging and logistical issues. But for those, the standings could have been flipped! Nice to hear your perspective because as much as I like what Out of Spec does, Kyle's obviousTesla bias gets annoying after awhile. ;-)
I'm also happy to hear you're feeling better about road trips. Honestly, that has been one of my mild annoyances with your channels is the limited New England perspective. (I have the same annoyance with Consumer Reports and their car reviews.) Driving issues in the west are so much different than the east it is refreshing that you now can relate to the Western driving experience.
I have taken my 2023 Ionic 5 SEL Duel Motor round trip from Sequim, WA to Colorado twice. Both times I did not have any major issues with EA stations except for Rock Springs, WY. That station was built but not on line yet when I did my trips. It is on line now. One issue we face out west is road tripping in winter with reduces range and the distance between stations. My last trip was January 2024 and I ended up staying at a hotel in Wyoming using my Tesla Tap for overnight L2 charging because temps in the 20's reduced my range to the point I would not have made it to the next station.
Anyway, great job! I'm glad you had fun.
You were one of the teams that charged deeper into the packs outside of the Taycan and the Genesis, however, those stops where you only charged in the 40's to 60 something percent cost you guys 2nd place.
Since you had an 800V EV which's curve is much higher than the 400V Model 3 past 40 percent or so, even with the chargers and other issues, you still would have taken 2nd if you would have charged to at least 70 to 75% every time.
Great race either way. Thanks for being part of it, and for all the long hours of driving you did for us to see what it's like on such a long race in EV's.
@@junehanzawa5165 Not entirely accurate, overcharging on one stop might push you up into the "Korean siesta" reduced power zone down the line. All things being equal dropping minimums from 10% to 5% will have less impact on kW average than bumping peak from 80% up to 85%. Could have probably managed an extra 5% but 70-75% everywhere isn't ideal in a race format where you're driving inefficient on at most 70% of your nameplate capacity and essentially stopping at every major station on the route anyways.
@sniperczar I didn't say to go past 80%, which is where the Korean siesta happens. The logic is that CCS chargers are placed much farther away from the main highways than Superchargers and you lose at least 10 minutes (if not 15 at times) getting there and back many times. And then all the connection/handshake delays/issues. That's time that could be spent charging above 160kW until the mid to high 70 percent range, and skipping a few charging stops along the way.
The issue is that some of the stops (out west especially) the extra 15-20% does not let you skip a charger that others might have to stop at
@robertharman4938 Correct. Not all of them were possible, but some where. And that was the difference.
Wow, Punching 🥊 above your class! Great job team!
Amazing that the Model 3 and Ioniq 6 were able to beat cars two and three times their price. Like you said that Porsche is just truly amazing.
As I have mentioned before on this channel, I lease this same year model and trim level of the Ioniq 6, and I rode trip with it frequently. This result is completely consistent with my own experience with the I6 DC charging speeds. Even after eight months with the car, I’m still blown away by how fast this thing charges on a good DC fast charger. I’ve been telling my friends that it is just flat spooky-fast, and they always claim I am exaggerating. So now I can refer them to this video for independent evidence that my experience is real. Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
I love the charge curve on this thing, very little penalty in overcharging to a better buffer which is great for these type of trips as you can reduce the risk having a negative arrival and having to slow/bail.
I watched the whole race. Ya done good! I was pulling for you all the way!! We live in FL and have taken our Ioniq 5 to Ohio a couple times, one of which also included Iowa. Glacier NP is on our bucket list, so I was especially interested in your Wyoming and Montana experiences. We should have Super Charger access by next summer, so that might make the trip even easier in those areas. I'm looking forward to your full report. 👍👍
Enjoyed watching the series and also your summary -
for your books: We own an Ioniq 5 RWD big Battery: driven 24000km pretty much now 12 months - so one full year / all seasons: Average 19,4 kwh/100km. Greetings from Northern Europe - Finland
I think more emphasis needs to be made on the different battery sizes. The Taycan has 30ish extra kWh which makes a huge difference. Same for the Lucid and Model S. Ot really goes to show that the Ioniq 6 was a huge contender while handicapped with a smaller battery.
Great video, race and information. Love my ‘24 Ioniq 6 SEL AWD and was happy to see your results.
Wonderful video. I loved the detailed data dive. I hope to see similar data for the other cars. I drove from Sioux Falls to Spokane September 18 and returned on September 25. While going west the head winds were horrible (I think 55 mph gusts). I think a Boston to Seattle trip would be very interesting because of the headwinds problem. Keep up the good work.
EA gets a lot of flack but only Tesla has a similar level of geographic coverage. And they can't charge every make of vehicle yet. If we're gonna poop on EA for their wonkiness, we should also criticize EvGo for not having enough locations and Tesla for not being able to charge all vehicles.
How much fuel costs did the burner car total up (Acura TLX Type S)?¿ You said the potential electric charging costs could have been $567.64, so I'm curious about the petrol costs.
Great video, dude! Was great to meet you and get to know you through this whole adventure!
Great to get a nice succinct breakdown of the race, thanks!
I'm surprised this was your first long trip. The i6 is the one car in this group that I would seriously consider.
2 months after getting my 2024 Mach-E Rally, I did a 4000 mile round trip to OK and CO from MI. What is interesting is that I have driven that that entire route over a few different trips in previous cars.
Thanks for showing kwh/100km. I can now see how efficient your car is.
I really do think all things being equal the Ioniq 6 was probably the 3rd place car ahead of the M3. Efficiency was actually pretty poor IMHO. I was surprised how much the I6 was consuming. Lucid also appeared to be really consuming the juice. The M3 if that number can be believed was pretty impressive. The M3 team really did optimize the best and it appeared their gambles paid off. I think you guys took some risks and had some setbacks. I think that kept you guys toward the back of the pack until you started to hit a rhythm. Any time you have to limp on one of the legs you are going to pay for it in these races and it is hard to get that ground back unless someone else makes a mistake.
The eGMP cars charge so well it is really a no brainer to just hammer that 10-80% charge window and if you have extra charge at the next stop that is just that much less you need to charge to hit 80% the next time. Rinse and repeat that. Drafting is where I pick up the rock chips. Last road trip I got a bad one because the navigation arrival SOC collapsed on the trip out of nowhere so I was looking for a way to keep up my speed but stretch out the juice until the next charge. So I tucked in behind a big rig. Turns out I should have just slowed down and not tried to draft the big rig flinging rocks up from the road.
On the topic of not stressing the planning I think that really all depends on where you are going and if you are going to stay on the main highways. Any trip cutting across rural areas that are EV deserts still takes some planning. Congested holiday travel, bad weather, and malfunctioning chargers complicate things. I no longer trust the NAV SOC on arrival so I leave plenty of padding for the bad charger stops. I have had that save my bacon a couple of times now. Once the eGMP cars have Tesla SC access it will make it a lot less stressful as long as you stay on the beaten path. Get off the beaten path and it gets dodgy. It is wise to still do some planning. LOL
Great video, but just wanted to let you know EA terminated my Hyundai charging plan for charging a different VIN. It's in the T&C. I had a Ioniq5 loaner when mine was in the shop for ICCU recall.
That sucks but if they wanna do that, so be it. I very rarely DC fast charge and it’ll make me more likely to try out their competitors
Route planning should be Hyundai’s number one priority at this point. If not partner with ABRP like rivian.
Oh I'm glad you are doing a video. I stopped watching out of spec videos after there was something very offensive to me in one of their videos.
Thanks for posting a version that’s shorter than an epic miniseries.
Thanks for the summary. You did good 👍
Thanks Corbin...I literally just finished watching part 4 of the challenge then watched your video here. I'll have to go back and see what the fossil car paid for fuel then vs what you would have paid. But and I know it was a longer video and not a normal type of road trip that most people would do the EV's would still be a nicer place to be than any dino juice car. Since I converted in 2019 with my original 28kWh Ioniq and now with my 64.8kWh Kona(2024) I love driving them and do want to do a proper road trip now I have a bigger battery EV with longer range. I don't live in the US mind you we have CCS2 as our charging connectors for all EV's including Tesla.
What I noticed was that here in the UK our highways have service areas right on the highways that have 6, 12 24 or more high powered chargers and you had 2, with some lower power ones.
Just watched old out of spec 10% challenge on the Ioniq 6 but it was limited spec with 20" wheels. Would love to see another using to rear wheel with the smaller tires as a comparison.
They have a newer 10% challenge video (using the same Ioniq 6 SE RWD that was used in this race) that shows how much better the 18" wheels combined with RWD are for road tripping. That bumped the Ioniq 6 from a pretty good 117 miles in the 10% challenge all the way up to an impressive 141 miles. So you may want to look for the newer video, which came out a month or so ago.
Seeing it helped confirm my own choice, so I just took delivery of my very own Ioniq 6 in that same SE RWD configuration.
@tomdesmond7100 thanks, another confirmation range changes 10% per inch of wheel size.
Thought you'd win for sure, but 3rd was awesome despite the competition
Corbin i was rooting for you
Great video!
Did you guys precondition?
Fun stuff, and encouraging. I'm still a bit wary of the idea of roadtripping an EV, but I see that fear as increasingly irrational. For now, I'll stick to ICE when going cross-country but I'm increasingly likely to consider an EV trip down the west coast.
At least some Hyundai Group cars will be made in the US so fewer tariffs.
Tariffs across the board will still drive up prices of US-made vehicles because they all contain some imported components.
The HVAC estimation bug is not something I've really seen specifically, but they do bug out on fast chargers sometimes. My Ioniq 5 wouldn't turn on the AC after a session once. Air blew, it said AC was on, but it definitely was not. I think the car doesn't like it when you have it on while charging, disconnect, and start driving without turning the car off. In my case I just pulled over at a gas station (ha) and rebooted it and suddenly everything was fine. There have been some discussions in r/ioniq5 about this so I know mine isn't unique. Not the exact same problem you experienced but that's the closest thing I know of.
What did you (allegedly) do to get pulled over? I can't remember if you said. Someone got busted for accelerating too fast in the acceleration lane (lol), but I think that was another team unless. I may be mistaken, but I'm not rewatching all that.
Good job team Ioniq 6! Some snafus are expected, and you managed them well and stayed competitive. Of course I'd love to have seen you beat the top Tesla, but there's no question you gave them a run for their money. Given all the other advantages of the Hyundai, including the fact that it's the cheapest car in the race via the lease loophole (for now), it's definitely the winner in terms of value for money.
Great job. WRT EA, sounds like you are saying they suck less.🙂 Around their HQ area of No. VA they still have far too many issues.
Now, it would be nice to try lighter wheels to see if we can get better effeciency. I will try it on my ioniq 5.
What was your favorite charging station in terms of design, facilities, services, etc.?
Definitely the Pilot/Flying J with the lovely canopy, wipe parking spots and a store 100 feet away with tons of amenities. And also maybe 1/4 mile off the interstate. Close second would be the EA station at the rest areas in Ohio. So convenient but also had no food late at night
How was the comfort? Did you have back pain with such a long trip?
No, not that I can remember
Did you have to wait at any of the charge stops?
Nope!
i was wondering why you guys didn't try something like switching to the Hyundai navigation just for 20-30 mins before a charging stop, just for the sake of activating the preconditioning while having maps open on phone of passenger to make sure it doesnt lead you astray? was the temperature outside not cool enough for that to be worth the extra effort?
Yeah temps were pretty good. The first night I think it got down into the 40s but because we were dc charging so much the pack never had much time to cool off
Korean Siesta🤣🤣🤣
Stole that one from Tesla Bjorn
Any info on the NEW ICCU recall?
I’ll have a video in the coming days
Can u do again with ionic 5?
I wondered how the initial placement in 5th/6th was overcome, and I’m glad it was that you learned some specific things rather than just feeling a bit more intuitive with the car! 49 hours to cross the country is really good, or another stat would be 11%? time spent charging vs trip time.
I’m looking forward to hearing what you learned, since I have previously very much struggled with electric motorcycle travel, and my Ioniq 6’s first road trip was a huge relief. I went from SF to Wisconsin and did find the predominant usage of Walmart parking lots kind of a bummer. I guess if I had a better knowledge of how to use the car without losing time, I could splurge on more scenic roads and stops. That’s what I’m hoping, anyway.
I will say that on more than one occasion, the SE RWD long range model’s extra efficiency meant I could skip a bad EA stop for something 60 miles away.
That was a huge upgrade, being able to just ignore a glitchy set of stations with a couple of cars lined up. The fact that I can get that out of a relatively lightweight sedan instead of an expensive luxury model that weighs more is really nice.
And now that will have Supercharger access in a couple of months as a backup at the minimum, you should have zero doubts or issues doing any of that.
@@junehanzawa5165 TBH for trips I intend to enjoy, Superchargers at 100kW or less would be fine if it meant a nicer place to walk around in. Per day, charging 2-3 times is plenty on this car, and the rate reduction might cost an hour total, but that hour might be spent eating or hiking. So, really not much of a limiting factor.
Are the charging times and charging rates posted somewhere? I am curious which car spent the least amount of time actually charging.
We have a document internal to us but I don’t think they’ve given public access
That would be the Taycan. Not even close. As Corbin said, and we saw in the videos, their stops were mostly 10 to 12 minutes long. And that's with them going well past 70% if not close to 80% almost every time.
The one mistake they did make was unplug early in the mid 60's percent when they were still getting 297kW. They then had to cut back on their speed to get to the next stop.
Shoot me straight IG: if your team was in the Lucid would you have gotten 2nd?
Surprised the Ioniq 6 didn’t have better efficiency. Ah the average high speed explains that.
Uh… "stopping ONLY to charge"? I am willing to bet that you ALSO stopped to… relieve yourself.
I’m curious why the anti-EV camp doesn’t highlight how expensive EV road tripping is. With gas at $3.00, a 30MPG car costs $0.10/mile - roughly half of what you paid for charging the Ioniq 6. I charge my Ioniq 5 at home and still have EA credits so haven’t felt it yet. A less efficient EV would cost even more.
"Raced"...The only portion of the competition that resembled a race was at the DCFC's. Each team would have the person sitting in the back "race" out of the car and have it plugged into the charging port ASAP.
lol not much else you can do to make it look like a race than peg your speed at the max allowable
@TheIoniqGuy It was a very enjoyable set of videos to watch. It was also very nice hearing one of the participants say "seeing foliage in New England has been a dream of mine" knowing, I've been taking advantage of that beauty for Decades.
More shots of Lacey and fewer of your mug would have greatly increased my interest.
10:02 i hate to be that guy, but this is technically a violation of EA’s ToS and you could lose your account. Next time just make Kyle pay.
Wait what exactly is the ToS violation?
If you have an unlimited promo for buying/leasing a certain car, you're only supposed to use the promo with the VIN associated with said car. People have been getting the accounts terminated for abusing the unlimited charging on other vehicles.
Ahh good times, they finally caught on. Glad mine was already over 😂