Stop Downplaying Maki And Toji | Jujutsu Kaisen
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In the Zenin clan, the importance of potential thrSough inherited Cursed-Techniques and proficiency with Jujutsu, is on another level compared to anything we’ve seen throughout the entire series. The Zenin clan determines a set lifestyle and career path for any of its descendants based on their value, which is decided by them holding various powerful Cursed-Techniques. But while holding the clan to its strict regulations, the Zenin clan rose to become one of the big three Jujutsu families. But there are two people whose very existence defies the entire existence of not just the Zenin clan but the entire Jujutsu World, Maki Zenin and Toji Fushigoro. While not having the ability to use a single Jujutsu Technique, they’ve both grown to the heights to become one of the most impressive characters in the entire series. Throughout my videos in the past one of the most requested topics by far has been to cover the power of these two uncontrollable monsters. In this video I’ll be going over the power, arsenal, progression and overall combat prowess between these two demons to clear up any misconceptions about the power of both of these demonic fighters. If you enjoy Jujutsu Kaisen content please leave a like and subscribe and comment on some video ideas you want to see be done down below.
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The fact that Toji was just so strong that he didn't even care about vengeance is the most chad thing
For
real.
With raw physical strength, physical speed, and durability.
Maki is a Warrior, she goes in front and center and strategies as the fight goes on.
Toji is a Hunter, he study his target extensively, weakening it bit by bit, and only show himself for the final strike; he remind me of Rengar from league of legends.
Facts my friend.
Best description I’ve heard of Maki and Toji well done!
@@landendrake thx m8
Based on only one fight we've seen, plus... against Gojo😮, young or not... he's a monster, against Dagon... Toji just went for the neck, no preparations like with Gojo, just got playful cloud then😈Dagon's gone😂.
Maki being a warrior... so far only against characters who weren't vastly stronger than her during the fight, her vs Kenjaku or Sukuna... she'd better strategize beforehand and wait for them to weaken or 😂😂😂that's foolish suicide, even Gojo as strong as he is... doesn't run into trouble without understanding(in shibuya he moved away from Jogo and Hanami for a while when he first saw Domain Amplification in effect).
Maki is like Captain Marvel from the Marvel MCU to me, powerful... but i don't like the personality so even when she beat Naoya i thought "cool fight but Toji would've looked better to me even if he did everything the way you did" all the Maki fans can sue me😛
Mali warrior, Toji: Hunter/predator hunter from what you said, predator cause this man's instincts were literally to kill the strongest around
MAKI - will walk you down and then beat you senseless
TOJI - Will wait until you think you are fully done with work and then give you the last stack of papers
😂
Toji mid diffs maki, maybe even low
@@alexm.650experience and more weapons isn't going to help much when he's literally fighting himself. They're stated to be equal. Not similar.
@@kfbeatforeternity5271 Toji is much stronger. He was on Gojo's level. If he survived, he would still be on par with Gojo's current level. While maki is close to Yuta's level. They are similar but the male version is obviously stronger and more determined.
@@sakibmahmud3621 bro dont cap too much lmao ....toji is stronger than maki but not on gojo level toji was already past his prime he was probably only a bit weaker than his prime ....and still he had to prep to guarantee a win against teen gojo(pre awakened) and won cause gojo's senses had dulled.... awakened gojo reacted to every attacks of toji and easily dodged them and molywapped him and gojo only got stronger from that point....no way toji would on current gojo's level lmao no one is on current gojo's level gojo would merk toji without even trying .......
@@sakibmahmud3621gender has never been mentioned to impact heavenly restriction…don’t use your own weird headcanons
Playful Cloud was also a part of Toji's arsenal originally , that's where Geto got it from
Getou casually stole a bunch of top tiers weapons by getting that curse, ultra stonks
@@guilha1506 lol
yeah and gojo (cause he is the head clan of gojo clan ) took it over and gave it to maki
Alot of people think he's arsenal are just the weapons he used during his fights when in reality they should be far more than that he even pulled out a gun he probably has grenades and other modern weapons. I doubt highly that he didn't have other special grades cursed tool
@@emmasongbiaye2205 his cursed spirit casually swallowed Riko's body, I bet he had much, much more weapons than what he shown. Toji is literally Dante in that aspect. Switching weapons on the run.
Title "Stop Downplaying Maki And Toji".
Meanwhile Maki and Toji basically capable of soloing 95% of JJK verse without a problem.
Someone on reddit was fully convinced adult Geto could wash Toji, so i suppose there are some people who do downplay both of them
Gojo and Geto were already special grade by their second year. So Toji actually took on two special grade sorcerers
GigaChad behaviour
the diff in their fighting styles is that toji is an assassin and maki if a brawler.
Maki would walk someone down, but toji would come from the back
English please
I'd let Maki walk me down
He fights smarter, and then still destroys when it comes to a front on fight 😂
Yeah it's just Toji wanna kill effortlessly his targets with higher chances to succeeding to make his job easier. But I guess he wanna fight Gojo once to prove he's still worthy or had some use in the Zen'in clan. If he left his pride aside and had done his job as he always did, he could kill Gojo in their first encounter and finish his job faster. Toji would become just like Maki in the long run if he wouldn't have met his wife or hadn't Megumi in his life.
@@donne1775bro
I think Maki should really train Yuji. And make him on par or slightly below their level of physical prowess. That way Yuji lives up to all the potential put on him by the story so far.
Yuji with a nasty cursed tool would be sick ngl
Training won’t equate him to something they were born with
Don’t mean to be that guy but U forgot toji’s greatest weapon his glock
It said too that Mai took all of Makis cursed energy with her, so technically Makis heavenly restriction isnt subpar to Tojis anymore.
Oh, and Maki didnt "react" to Naoyas top speed. She predicted it in advance, which i mean would entail critical thinking and fast mental processing but it doesnt necessarily mean shes able to match Naoyas speed physically.
1 maki never had cursed ebergy, mai had
And twins are treated like one being
Thus mai's CE limited maki
2 predicting an attack means nothing if u cant match the speed
Best example ever is sasuke vs lee
Sasuke literally saw every move lee would make but got dogwalked cuz he didn't have the speed
@@blu3d3vil97 Uh, it even states in this very video that Maki does indeed have CE. She just had the same amount as a normal human would. Likewise, prediction literally means guessing. Her knowing where he would be in advance because of trajectory. You don't need to move the same speed as something in order to catch it. How else do you think baseball players hit 100mph balls or catch them? What about those people shooting bb pellets and cutting them with swords? Do you really think they are moving 100mph to catch them?
@@blu3d3vil97 Under the premise that twins are essentially one in the same being whatever Mai’s reserves were Maki has that amount as well.
@landendrake3742 not really
Maki had 0, she even states that
And the fact she couldn't hurt curses without cursed tools proves it
@@blu3d3vil97 In your head canon, maybe. But not in the actual canon at all. Regular humans all have cursed energy, do they not? How do you think curses are formed otherwise? Maki had very little cursed energy just like a human, she just had no curse techniques and further you can kill curses without cursed energy the issue is they just keep coming back because CE or a CT is the only way to kill them for good. The show directly tells you this in regards to maki. She couldn't do heavenly restriction prior because she had a miniscule amount of CE, hence why it's only possible after Mai dies and takes her CE with her, in return making her a weapon.
Go back and watch the episodes where maki kills her clan and Mai dies, the narrator directly mentions her CE and how it was impeding her. As if she had none from the get go, even with Mai alive, she could've pulled a Toji way sooner and did a Heavenly Restriction. The issue was she did have the bare minimum of CE and therefore couldn't. And since her and Mai were twins, Mai got the cursed Techniques on top of the majority of cursed energy, though not all of it, they still had a split pool of CE, hence why Mai herself couldn't get stronger even if she had wanted to. Which she really didn't, Mai was just as stunted by them being twins as Maki was though Maki undoubtedly got the raw end of the deal.
what i would want to see done as a video would be explaining the in depth stuff about jjk like the sky maneuvering that high tiers like maki and toji and sukuna and gojo somehow know about, and just some implied things that fans of the series know but the average causal reader wouldn’t. similar to a jjk iceberg of sorts
As for gojo, he can just fly/levitate and teleport, for the other 3 my belief is that they “air walk” as they kick the air with enough pressure to force themselves forwards or whichever direction they want (similar to Sanji from one piece) but the air walk thing isn’t confirmed from what I know
@volktol4432 i mean sukuna literally quick stepped into air against yorozu
Remember the "tap tap tap" XD
Man, this is off topic here sorta, but i feel like Maki's development in this series is what shouldve been rock lee's development in Naruto. Rock Lee was a character just shafted to the side and that's so dissapponting because he had a lot of potential to stand with the main characters.
Toji and Maki are basically a ore of steel that no one ever want, other thought it was weak and fragile. Or so others thought, they forge,refined and sharpened to the point their weapons are formidable.
Toji was able to outplay perhaps the strongest character in the verse. Imagine how many ass whooping's Maki's about to hand to whatever other poor soul comes across her?
Here's a video idea which is a ranking video of the 3 great clans' curse techniques. You could make 2, where in 1 you could explain each clans main curse techniques ( or split it into 3 videos) and a video ranking them from strongest to weakest.
Appreciate u for posting regularly
People are downplaying Gigatoji and Charred badie??? Ain't no way
No fr like both are good 💀mfs cant like something without comparing them Istg
Toji is my father
Maki is my older demonic sister
Truly magnificent video and thanks for mentioning me
Jaded is like top jjk creator according to me
Common Jaded W, Thumb clean ASF
I’m on board with getting the cursed spirit into his stomach and all but getting it back out again I don’t want to imagine 😢
Underrated video! I loved it :3
I love and appreciate that comment 😌
Toji vs Kenjaku is actually interesting considering kenjakus domain does not affect inanimate objects
im referring to toji from hidden inventory
I’m pretty sure with open domains they sacrifice the barrier in return for their sure hits to affect inanimate objects as well.
@@shane2077 sacrificing the barrier means people can leave but the range is extended, not that inanimate objects are included. thats a sukuna thing
@@quo9138 Ooo I see. Thanks for the clarification
@quo9138 tbf kenjaku did damage the environment BUT
he was using the surehit on yuki
Which as far as we know kenjaku cant target sure hit on zero CE
@@blu3d3vil97 yeah the ground doesnt quake unless characters or blood is on it as far as i see so only CE probably
What they are able to do is a light exercise for a guy like me.
ong ur spitting facts wth
Jaded W
I was wondering if you think current Maki could beat Mahoraga with the Split Soul Katana? Could Mahoraga adapt to it or can Maki just striaght up one shot it?
She's too slow
@@cxncien i dont really remember any speed feats from mahoraga so its kinda hard to gauge, never the less it would be a cool to see an interaction with the Split Soul Katana and Mahoraga lol
Nahh she will one shot mahoraga with the katana before it could adapt
@@RottenCowboy smash the shit out of 15 fingers sukuna is already a feat
@@quasogod Maki fought Sukuna Later then Maho and kept up anyway. They're relative, add Maki's pseudo future-sight to it and she now functionally has the speed advantage. She doesn't even need it, though. She literally just one shots with the soul split Katana.
Maki is my fav JJK char, not because of her curse technique or combat capability
But 2 simple power that made her one of the top tier in JJK, her mindset & mentality
No excuses, 101% effort, and anti loser mentality
After watching this. I want a update soon on the current maki going toe to toe with sukuna
King of curses vs woman with no CE
Hmm nah cant agree on the Naoya stuff. Just because youre on guard doesnt mean you are exactly ready for anything. Yuji was on guard fighting choso but had to adapt to piercing blood and get used to it however that looked.
But Maki isnt Yuji
@@itsjustvin7630 Doesn't matter, she was getting blitzed by Naoya at the start of both fights and had to adjust.
@@UnifiedEntity less adjust and more clear her mind like what Yuji did with Todo and what Megumi did when he unlocked DE
Maki :- more like a samurai.
Toji:- like a ninja.
Wait, a 4-D storage space means that he can pull out any item that ever existed in the cursed chest spirit
Yep
Who would actually read this series and downplay these 2?!?!?
I don’t wanna hear it. Toji had to wear down a 16 year old before he even fought him. Toji lost to a a grade 1 16 year old
To be fair, preawakened Gojo was still considered op to an extent and Toji's style leans more towards assassinations so it would make sense he'd wait until his target lets their guard down before striking.
He wasn't grade 1 him and Gojo were already special grade even Yuki calls them special grade
@@itsjustvin7630 Gojo became a special grade after figuring out rct basically making him a God and Geto became a special grade after the higher ups basically realized the sheer number of strong curses he absorbed. However, before the Toji fight they were at least high grade ones.
@@mmb2089 was it ever stated
It’s kinda unfair to say toji had to wear down gojo, then ignore that gojo fought a nerfed toji. Yes, toji nerfed himself but still nerfed nonetheless. Toji would lose to gojo but he didn’t need to wear him down it was simply just a precaution.
Yolo
Toji is basically a normal human no cursed technique,no cursed energy at all,no jujutsu and a heavily restriction yet he still beat gojo easily and almost killed him and even a young gojo is as strong as the earlier finger forms of sukuna so Toji is really impressive
Maki has little cursed energy and a heavily restriction but still was able to go against special grade curses and live also managed to slaughter the whole zenin clan Maki is also impressive
Normal human have cursed energy but can't use it to fight they can make cursed spirit tho
Toji don't have any cursed energy Any at all
Even normal human have a little but can't use
i agree people love to downplay maki but she alone brought out sukunas black flash not even gojo was taken that seriously by the king of curses
With prep time toji would slam maki, but without maki takes it
then is make yuji's heveanly like toji's or maki's
i just don't like maki double her strength in 5 minutes. then the sumo guy who help her just disappeared.
hence she have 2 power ups.
So it's fine when Yuji and Megumi gets that power up cuz all those two did was one had a talk from a person they just met to get a boost, and one had a flashback reflecting themselves to get a boost. But when Maki does both it's bad?
@@itsjustvin7630 exactly dude. Megumi didn't have a power up. She does sumo in 5 minutes doubled her strength.
She didn't actually get stronger or faster. Just cleared her mind, and got access to precognition
@@zillvashe got stronger bruh
One thing must be done and that is Gojo's death or defeat so the students stand up on their own against sukuna. Sukuna as the main villain have the plot armor against Gojo. But we all know Gojo can defeat SUkuna
Gojo fanboys always crying plot armor when their favorite character is 99.98% plot armor
@@blu3d3vil97wth you saying? Gojo is litterly against sukuna with mahoroga and megumis soul + the ten shadow technique
@@shankiangdeleon5716Infinity is quite literally the biggest plot armor I’ve ever seen in any story.
@@Bori.1776but Sukuna having different techniques is not
the irony in this reply section
I think naoya being sub sonic wouldnt make him even close to gojo when he fought jogo and left te get yuji for a lesson, can we even calc that?
That was probably teleportation
Definitely teleportation
Could be teleportation or... gojo is that guy, the quake when he releases could mean its not exactly teleport but maybe closer to light speed travel.
Remember all of us here making guesses are all going off head canon
Gojo teleports
My issue with Maki isn't her strenght.
She stole the RIGHTFUL VENGEANCE of Toji and she planned to kill Megumi.
Uh have you not read the manga? She didnt plan on killing Megumi cuz he doesnt even care about being head of zen'in. And Toji wanted to prove himself to the zen'in. That's his mistake. Maki is his redemption
@@itsjustvin7630Not searching for revenge is a better choice than kill everylastone of the people who Hurt you. Toji was better than Maki in that regard
@@juanescobar1735 so you want Kenjaku to take hold of the zen'in?
@@juanescobar1735toji would have done the same as maki if someone had killed his wife and son in front of him.
@@Anantinfinit Probably.
And to think toji called gojo a monster sukuna and gojo are built deferent
Gojo is built so differently that he got people calling Sukuna a fraud
Here's the thing..If sukuna LITERALLY gives you a compliment.
Then there should be no way in fucking hell anyone should be down playing them.
Maki was one of the few people sukuna legitimately complimented. So if he's not down playing her. Why tf would ANYONE down play her? That's what got me confused.
Sukuna sees literally all humans as trash, fodder, tools and food AT BEST.
I bet the same people who down play her couldn't even bet her in an arm wrestling contest, pre-shibuya arc.
its annoying when people say "... and he/she did that without ce" when they have heavenly restrictions that more than make up for their lack of ce
Ok but one thing I can NEVER understand … why isn’t toji detectable when he swallows the curse spirit ????
There is curse energy in his body now , obviously not his own , but there is a curse spirit inside him !!
Maybe because cursed energy cannot move through his body, so it can neither go in nor come out of his body.
@@Purifi3ractually there's a line talking how the body is like a domain and ce cant affect the inside unless an opening (wound) is made
So, since swallowing it puts it in "his domain" maybe that is why
@@blu3d3vil97 ohhhhhhhhh that actually kinda makes sense , I guess even tho toji can’t make a domain he still “has one” , ie his own body , but what always threw me off was where he says “an invisible man should have invisible guts” or something like that and I just found that so confusing like , I thought sorcerers could FEEL someone’s CE not just see it
@brunoglorvis1710 they do feel cursed energy
But a domain is a barrier, and just as an example the most basic barrier is a veil that sorcerers use so normal people dont see the destruction when they fight curses
So barriers hide shit
So, maybe the domain of one's body hides whatever is inside
And we know cursed energy comes from the stomach
@@brunoglorvis1710case in point that Hollow purple that sukuna could not notice because of the barrier
Yuji has the potential to surpass toji/maki physically
Yes His physical prowess already is close as we saw he could keep up with maki. So now we'll see if his curse energy output can get on the level of a special grade sorcerer
Nuh huh🤓
@@DungEnjoyerr he is already relative to maki .
@@rogar0x785 from what we have seen it seems to imply she is above him but he does have potential to surpass Maki/Toji. Not saying she would win in a fight cause we haven't fully seen what yuta can do I believe. If its just what we have seen maki stomps
@@ebola52 am talking about yuji not yuta
Toji and maki are the coolest characters by far. U nerds are pressed for no reason. I swear anime fans sometimes lol so much anger
They are both great, both have 0 chance against Gojo and Sukuna.
Didnt she tag team sukuna with yuji though?
@@ejosjek52.87 He was playing with them like with kids
And Sukuna was nerfed. Like, less than 20% of his power (And that was 15 finger Sukuna)
@@juanescobar1735nope, Megumi's body was messing with his CE output when he tries to do *cursed techniques* to hurt his friends. Sukuna was physically as capable and without using techniques, he was 100% ok
As any other character lmao
Maki still taking the win its even said she surpassed him
I don't think so there's age gap to
@ademmmahmoudi9478 wym? The feats we seen tonight do doesn't compare to what maki has done and it even stated that she is now stronger than him
@@snavetv4129 I mean in real fight toji likely will assassinate her he is not brawler and he likely have more experience in the failed
@@snavetv4129 but face to face i think he lose it will be hared fight for sure but he lose because maki is more in the brawler said
@@Uwhwvwgwhso should we get another regurgitating chapter
no domain = weak
Imagine shipping Maki & Toji
I think people down playing Toji are idiots. He one shoted Gojo.
Gojo took 4 hits though lmao.
Also, he was caught off guard with infinity down, meaning his durability was effectively the same as any normal human at the time.
Then inverted soear of heaven shuts down his infinity and does the same.
Its not an impressive strength feat. Only speed fir being able to move around without teen Gojo who hadn't slept for 3 days
A Tired Gojo who was pretty weak compared with the Actual Gojo
yall toji fanboys must stop pulling out this thing as a feat
bro, it's a exhausted inexperienced gojo from 11 years ago 💀
@@quasogod 12*
@@quasogodThat was already considered the strongest sorcerer...
Toji got that strap on him
maki v Sukuna confirms Toji>Yuta
i wonder if maki can speedblitz yuta like sukuna speedblitzed Ryu cuz Yuta thinks to himself that Ryu was really fast but this was before he got the 5minutes amp but even after that he didnt seem to blitz anyone altough he did cover the ground between him and Ryu before ryu could do much aside from shoot a granite blast at him
Calm down maki is strong but not that strong
@@desto1203 yuta isn't that strong either in regards to sukuna. They are comparable until we see something to prove otherwise.
I have benn always saying that lol
you were one of those Yuta > 15 finger merchant
@@ryerollsrye824 no
@@ebola52except sukuna was heavily nerfed
Id say maki is definitely faster than yuta
Based on the interaction between yuji and naoya(blitzed yuji) and yuta wasn't able to do so
I think Maki is on the way to being as strong if not stronger than Toji, Once she gets more experience in having her new HR she'll be much stronger then Toji
Doubt
She is already as strong as Toji, bare minimum. After the timeskip, she is likely stronger
What timeskip?
@@juanescobar1735 There was a 1 month timeskip like 15 chapters ago
@@zillva in that time Maki will not become stronger by any mean..she already has her stronger form
So maki is stronger than Todo.? I don’t think so
Boogie woogie is just so debilitating, so almost every character will struggle with him
@@samuraitadpole5459 no I’m talking strength not ability prowess like blow for Blow even though she’s a 2 I believe todo is stronger than her
@Khaliq Bryson nah, I doubt that. Nothing that can compare them but Maki is stronger, that's the best advantage of heavenly restriction
@@samuraitadpole5459 I understand it’s absolute the restrictions so her brute strength is stronger than. His understood
@Khaliq Bryson thank goodness because that was legit the only reasoning I could think of atm
After the episode of Toji vs Gojo... the popularity polls will show Toji being more popular than Maki, Gege took an L for giving her that personality😂😂😂
Miwa, Yuki and Mei are the only female characters i like in JJK, especially Yuki, quite an interesting monster😈.
Now I still prefer Maki
Both are overrated asf in power but are goated characters
Not really, can go hand to hand with a 15 finger sukuna sounds pretty strong to me
@@dude5281 Little detail, he had less than 10% of his power
@@guilha1506 little detail that only effected his curse technique
@@dude5281 Output affects your reinforcement that affects your stats
@@guilha1506 it only effected output when he tried to use hus cursed technique
Bros goofy
Uh huh🤓
Why's that?
Nobody downs plays Maki and Toji is overrated as hell.
Maki surpassed Toji durin her fight/training with Miyo.
How about everyone has different interpretations of Tojia. His feats are controversial and contested.
His fight with Gojo. He tired him out and waited until he was weak.
His fight with Dagon. After fighting three first grade sorcerers and DE he was weak and low on energy.
There’s nothing downplaying about analyzing Toji fights and coming to those conclusions.
If you think Yuta or Yuki can beat Toji then you are downplaying them (like most people do)
Narratively Toji is the 3rd/4th strongest
Maki is nowhere as strong as Toji she inexperienced and new to this power and she doesn't have strong enough arsenal
@@ryerollsrye824
No you’re overrating Toji by far. All he has over Yuta is at base being physically stronger. To reach that level of strength all Yuta has to do is reinforce his body with curse energy to match. Yuta and Rika will destroy him.
@@pardue23 Toji literally blitzes Yuta
Speed wise,
Toji = Maki ~ 15 Finger Sukuna > Ryu ~ Yuta
So your boi is too slow 😂
Alongside having speed advantage Toji also has enhanced senses, 2 one shot weapon, infinite range, higher battle IQ and high durability and more
How can you say Yuta beats Toji ?
@@ryerollsrye824
LMAO! Maki is nowhere near equal to 15f Skuna. Megumi was holding Sukuna back every time he tried to attack his friends. Sukuna output was less than 10 percent while fighting Yuji and Maki. That’s an extreme nerf for Sukuna.
Megumi fought 3f Sukuna. When Toji attacked him he scaled him to a 3f Sukuna. If you want to scale Maki on the same level as Toji then there you go.
@@pardue23 According to @Lightning446 Sukuna wasn't being nerfed speed wise, even Sukuna himself said that his movements were fine...
Toji >> Maki, the man has finesse, something that Maki lacks. Because of his experience and arsenal, he will always be stronger than Maki. Maki would’ve never thought about breaking the playful cloud like Toji did, Toji always knows what to do in every situation and he probably has tools for every different situation.
Yeah I feel like that’s a key moment for me. Maki basically being a notable weapons specialist but being surprised by Toji’s utilization of playful cloud like she would’ve never thought of that.
Exactly, I hate how people overrate Maki when she's just Toji lite at best.
The manga say Maki is equal to Toji. Thats the author who say it. Toji had more experience, thats all
@@juanescobar1735 mayne physically but that's it
Maki is underrated and a top 10 of all time
Toji is the opposite
What do you mean
Mach 3 = Supersonic.
Weak asf, both getting one shot by random frieza soldier's from dbz teehee haha
The whole DBZ verse loses to a bored Giorno Giovanna