Another top quality shoe review and demonstration of its performance in some pretty typical Cornish coastal weather! I really appreciate the time & effort you put in to capture all the approach & departure footage. It’s easy to forget the number of turnarounds you must have to do on every run to either pick up or change the direction of the GoPro - it really is worth the effort though as in my opinion it makes your videos among the very best🏃🏻♂️
Love your videos and your footage. Keep up the good work! Quick question: I’m new to running and looking to do some hiking and light trail runs. Would you recommend the Hoka Speedgoat 5 or the Saucony Peregrine 13 for someone looking at their first trail running shoe? CHEERS!
Amazing video and a great review of this awesome shoe! I admire the test footage you have done some much, due to the fact that I can tell that you must have gone back to pick up the camera so many times :D
Thank you Loyd for great video. I'm a big fan of Peregrines running them since version 9. I shared the exitement for 12s. My biggest concern is about the new mash fabric in 13s. Two doubts: durability and dust protection. The outside fabric looks more like road style mesh than something to endure constant abrasion and forefoot flex. The similar remark to the change towards breathability. Won't be the dirt protection compromised? I hope the new fabric will not change the shoe into a dust eater in a 100k race. Seems like these two elements may be an "Achilles heel" of this version . Can you please give your opinion on these two points in your next full review? Thank you. Always enjoying your reviews.
great review as always.. would you recommend this shoe for a race like the South Downs Way 50 in April... would it be good in dry conditions? thanks and keep up the good work
Thanks for the great review! In your experience, if you were doing a trail 50k would you go with the Peregrine or the XODUS Ultra... the terrain from this vid looks very similar to the 50k terrain. Thanks for any input you may be able to provide!
This looks really good and I'm tempted, but I have two pairs of Xodus Ultra that I'm very happy with and rotating on a regular basis and will wait for the verdict on the v2.
Hi R4A! Love the review - it's incredibly useful. I am strongly considering these as my hiking shoes for the Alps. How do you think they would perform on technical terrain for longer hikes? Hope you're well - best regards.
Nice video. Peregrine 13 seems to be a good update to Peregrine 12. Recently picked a pair of Xodus Ultra for US$60 so I am more than covered in trail shoe department. I need to run more and retire some shoes before I buy any more shoes. 🤞I will probably wait for end of year sales.
Great review - i’ve been waiting for this one 😬 previously ran in the peregrine 11’s liked them but, they were just too narrow and switched to the Salomon ultra glide wide. Do these 13’s have more room in the toe box??
Can’t wait for it to hit South African stores. 😃 The Exodus Ultra is my current go-to trail shoe, but after only 300km, the sole is destroyed. So new shoes is needed.
Xodus Ultra has been the best shoe i've ever run in. Used them on the Lakeland 50 last year and they continue to provide cushion and bounce as well as decent grip a couple of hundred miles later. I'll get another pair when these are done.
I just never liked inside of the shoe on Peregrine 12. It didn't work with any of my socks, always slipping. Plus heel counter gave me problems on steep ascents. But that is probably due to my heel which is a bit weird. In the end i went for speedgoat 5 and never regret it.
Hi Loyd, I'm really pleased to see this video as I've bought 4 or 5 pairs of Peregrines now and it is good to see you are still raving over the latest model as they are my favourite trail shoe. A couple of questions: Do they still have the lovely little pocket on the inside roughly around the mid point which is just there to catch large amounts of grit and gravel? Various trail shoes seem to have this and it would be great to see it designed out. Have you got your hands on the ST version? I have a pair of Peregrine 10 STs and they are great at reducing the amount of water that gets into the shoe and the extra grip works very well on muddy ground. I did though find the sole to very slippery on smooth wet rock / concrete etc. I also found the crease across the top of the toe box to be very uncomfortable when I put the shoes on, to the point that I nearly sent them back. I'm glad I didn't as I found them very comfortable to actually run in and the crease wasn't an issue. Thanks, Mr Colin.
Have you tried Peregrine 13ST? If so, please let us know your opinion. I would especially like to know how it rides on asphalt. By the way, the 13 standard model is not sold in Japan, only the GTX and ST.
I'm not a lover of the ST version. I think the standard Peregrine give you a more consistent level of grip on different surfaces 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
Thank you very much for your advice. I bought the 13ST the other day and tried it out trail running. I was able to grip it well and make a powerful dash on the soft dirt road with fallen leaves and mud, but I slipped on a wet river rock and hit my butt! The regular Peregrine 13 was sold on a USA site, so I plan to purchase that.
Definitely terrain, the Peregrine feels a bit more connected when running on more technical terrain. You also get a little bit more traction from the outsole 👍 With the update to the Peregrine midsole has bought the two shoes closer when it comes to performance. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏😊
Just picked up the ST version of the 13! Excited to give them a go. I passed on the last two generation and these seem to address the issues I had with the them.
Yes, Saucony are certainly very durable trail running shoes, totally agree. However, I disagree with you Loyd and your statement that Saucony are perfect for all kind of terrain. It's overstatement. They are very good for a soft terrain, wet and muddy, lose terrain like gravel and that would be all. Moreover, Saucony are pretty unsafe on the hard, wet terrain and wet rocks/stones. I assume because of the compound of the sole which hasn't changed much or at all. I use them myself and only during bad, rainy weather conditions with extra attention on the rocks and hard, wet terrain because it's like ice skating.
I've heard a few runners say the same but I've never had any issues on wet rock with any of the Peregrines I've run in. Obviously running on the coast path down here in Cornwall there's lots of rocks to deal with and they've always been fine. It's not an overstatement Jarek, it's just the way the Peregrine has performed for me. If Id had any grip issues on wet rock I would have mentioned it but I haven't 🤔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
I have been running in the Peregrine since version 10 and I have to disagree that running on wet rock is like ice skating! I have run in quite a few trail shoes and yes there are those with better wet-grip (VJ for example) but the difference isn’t making up for all the excellent grip on other surfaces. And the comfort and control you get from the Peregrines 😍
Running in Ireland, There are dreadful for wet rock in my experience I don't know how people who have reviewed this shoe don't bring it up. It's not just lyold who says there "great all round grip" to be fair I've heard a few different ones say it.
I`m a big Saucony fanboy. Or sadly, tending to was...The last couple of versions of both the Xodus and the Peregrine just doesn't work for me. They are to narrow at the mid foot area and it gets pretty painful. Every version of the Xodus, except the Ultra, were brilliant shoes and the Peregrine up until the 10 the same. The current versions not so much. Its tempting to try the 13 after your fine review, but it seems like every shoe that fits your foot like a glove is to narrow for me 🙂 Bring back the Koa ST
Judging by what you're saying Jan, I'd say the new Peregrine 13's would be to narrow for your foot shape still. It's very fitted around the midfoot, even more so than the 12's so I think you'd struggle. Wow someone who got on with the KOA ST! That was a very strange fitting running shoe, so wide at the midfoot it was almost square! I stocked that shoe in the running shop and I think I only sold one pair to a guy who had the widest foot I've ever seen 😲 I think it was one of Saucony's worst selling shoes so I don't think they'll be bringing back unfortunately 😔 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
My favorite Peregrine... More cushioning, grip and stability compared to 12 standard (the ST version had the worst grip on wet surfaces). The 11 was too heavy. The fit seems better than the xodus ultra with more space on fingers area. The 10 was good but this I think it will be the best version
@Run4Adventure - Hi Loyd, thanks for this, really appreciate the quality reviews - Looking forward to the upcoming Xodus, but I have a quick couple of questions: 1) Is the cushioning measurement in addition to the sock-liner or without it, and is that the case with your other reviews eg the xodus ultra? 2) I loved the xodus (have the winterpack one) and the drop in cusioning has been fine (prob due to sockliner) However, for half marathons, I am used to speedgoat 4 cusioning levels and wanted to get the Pereguin 13s as I've spotted a good deal, but am conscious that while droping from the goat's 28m forefoot to the xodus' 26.5 and now considering the Pereguin's 24mm... what do you think ?
Thanks Rob, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The new Peregrine 13's definitely offer more cushioning than the 12's. However it's not going to feel as cushioned as a Speedgoat! The Speedgoat midsole is definitely softer and the Xodus Ultra still offers more cushioning than the Peregrine. Hope this helps, is it the £69.99 deal you've seen? 🤔
I only put about 100 km on my Peregrine 12‘s and then switched to the Xodus Ultra‘s. I have three sets of those and between them I put about 2000 km on them. Still my absolute favorite set of shoes. Looking for forward to the updated version. I don‘t think I‘m up for trying the Peregrine 13, even if a bit of cushioning has been added. But will see what the longterm review says and maybe I‘ll give them another go. They do look really good. Anyways, thanks for the review Loyd.
I absolutely hate the thin tongue on the 13s! The 11’s were absolutely my favorite, yes heavier but just had to slip on and off I go. On the 13’s tongue shift and twist when putting on, I constantly have re-adjust it only when putting on. Can I live with it? Of course but I wouldn’t get another pair. The rest of the shoe is stellar though.
I personally think the Peregrine 11 wasn't as good as the 10,12 or 13's, it was a bit heavy and it had to much padding around the heel for me. If the issue only happens when you putting the shoes on and not when you're running, what's the problem? 🤔
My first and second impression about Saucony Peregrine 13 is that this has the worst sole knob pattern or material compound, in the wet condition especially on the rocky terrain is like you run on the ice, no grip!! Now I suffer from an ankle sprain on my right leg because the shoe slipped badly, I run a lot on these trails, I used to run with a Salomon Sense ride 3, never had this happen to me even on snowy rocks either. On easy terrain, on grass, on gravel roads, on dirt roads on terrain without large rocks and roots, maybe good, the shoe itself is light and comfortable with too much cushioning and I think that's why it doesn't have good stability. The corset tends to unravel. I wouldn't say this is a trail running shoe. Great look.
Done 400 miles in the Xodus since September, love them. Am I getting this right? Xodus, half and above, Peregrine shorter stuff and now Ride15 TR for road to trail. Too many shoes which cross over!
Will definitely look to get some of these when the 12s give out. Were these the original laces? The ones I got with the 12s were so short, I couldn’t use the top 3 eyelets.
good shoes, and very nice. But, for me: the big trouble is the little part under the sole, at the heel, where there is the foam: it has been torn, and the same happened with my peregrine 12. Why did they do this foam part so exposed? it's so logical that it would do that! and little stones came in the hole after that, it's so bad because otherwise these shoes would have been perfect for me. I would like so much to tell Saucony's about this! and I see that for the peregrine 14, the sole is still the same. I run in moutain tracks around where I live, the ground is quiet agressive with a lot of rocks ans roots, but I thought these shoes where made for that
Version 10 was a favourite of mine. Too bad the upper didn't really work out for me, as it started ripping everywhere. I'm looking forward to finding this one with a bit of a discount because 150€... man, this shoe's become more and more expensive throughout the years for sure!
It's hard to say at the moment? I need to put some more miles in both shoes and then I'll have a better idea. They're both really good trail shoes though Francois! Thanks for watching 🙏😊
Found these online for half price and considering getting them for my first trail running shoe. Would your recommend sizing up half a size? I have narrow kangaroo feet similar to yours by the sound of it haha
I ducked out of Peregrines after a diabolical 11 experience and went to Altra Timps then came the Xodus Ultra which is superb and now i'll have to get the Peregrine 13 to try. Are we saying that the Peregrine is for wetter, muddier trails and the Xodus Ultra is for slightly firmer trails? There's not a lot of difference between the P13 and the XU, a little extra cushion in one and 1mm more lugs in the other.
I just received a new pair of the Saucony Peregrine 13s. Love the look of the shoe, but the feel of the shoe wasn't working for me. The shoe pinched my toes and didn't feel like it offered much support. I just didn't like the overall fit and feel of this shoe. I have worn many different Saucony shoes (and loved them) but this one was not my favorite. Sending them back.
It's a very fitted shoe this time around Brian, maybe you foot shape is a bit to wide for the upper? I'm quite narrow and it fitted me like a glove 👍 Sorry to hear they didn't work for you, the Xodus Ultra has a bit more width in the toe box. Thanks for watching 🙏
Hi Loyd, how did you find the sizing on the Peregrine 13? Just received this addition of the shoe which is a standard uk 11, but this particular shoe is far too big!!
I've run in the last 3 models of Peregrine and I've been a uk9.5 in all of them and they fit well so I'd say true to size 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
Oh man, bought the peregrine 13st as a replacement for the salomon speedcross 5 but it has been an epic fail. Got blisters from hell on my heels. So bad.. and they are slippery as hell on tarmac. After 60 miles of trying I'm foing to throw them in a corner of my shed. Too bad! 😭
Sorry to hear that! 😕 It just highlights how personal running shoe choice is because I haven’t had any issues with blisters running in the Peregrine 13 🤔
Thanks Richard 👍 It's that time of year, lots of new models and updates coming out that need testing. We've got a new headtorch and hydration vest review coming soon and we'll have our Arc race day video as well. Thanks for watching 🙏
They are both great trail shoes but they're very different so hard to compare them? If you like more cushioning in the midsole I'd go for the Mafate Speed 4's. If you want a bit more ground feel and stability when running on more technical trails I'd go for the Peregrine 13's. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
What would be the best trail shoes for ultra races? Currently running in altras lone peak 6 and they’re ok but at 0 heel to toe drop i feel I need a little more support. Thinking of speed goats 5.
I struggle with zero drop on longer runs as we Leo. I'd personally look at the Hoka Mafate Speed 4's or the Xodus Ultra from Saucony 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
They look like a baseball shoe, so more technical looser ground, more rigid, less comfort like a Speedcross, oh and less grip on slippery rock. How would you compare to the ASICS Trabuco 11 and Salomon Sense Ride 5? Seems to me the Soucony Xodus Ultra 2 world be the better all round from the brand?
The Peregrine 13 does run well on technical trail but it's way more comfortable than the Salomon Speedcross 6! Saucony added some more cushioning to the midsole this time round and its made the shoe a lot more comfortable. I'd still say the Xodus Ultra is a better alrounder but it is quite close between the two models. Hope this helps Peter, thanks for watching 🙏😊
I feel a hard bump under my big toes in the 12s. Is it the same in the 13s? I sized down a half size from the 10s too, wondering if the sizing has changed
I never had that issue in the 12's? I've always run the Peregrines in a uk9.5, that's the 10's, 11's, 12's and now the 13's 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
@@Run4Adventure Seems to have disappeared now after some breaking in. Bought the 12s thinking that Saucony won't do anything major until the Peregrine 14😅
I also love most Saucony shoes, but just the road shoes. Love the specs of the Peregrine too, but it (I think v.10 or v.11) hurt my heels a lot, and I never had that before. I dont think I dare to try a new version if the upper is more or less the same..
The Wildhorse is quite a bit heavier than the Peregrine but it does have more cushioning. Also the Wildhorse woukd give you more width in the toe box if you need it. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
I need to run a few more miles in the Wildhorse before I answer that Nathan 🤔 I can say they are both good trail shoes but they do feel quite different to run in. Thanks for watching 🙏😊
Yes, I confirm. Peregrine 12, I had three pairs, all ended arround 500km (300miles) because of fabric tore alongside forefoot. In compare, 5 pairs of Peregrine 10, all beyond 700km (500 miles), if you accept little ventilation hole😄 at flex point, >1000km (600 miles). I'm really concerned about the durability of the new fabric in V13. It looks more like road style mesh. Hopefully I miss there something.
Same here. The 10s lasted me for years but the 12s are getting holes on them at less than 250km in. My uppers are wearing at the arch where the insoles touch the upper material. I'd get the 13s if they have corrected this design flaw
Hello Phil, I've had a slight hallux for several years, so I was glad that I finally found this brand. Brooks, for example, I had to buy half a size bigger in the fall so they wouldn't squeeze me. Half a size larger is good for tripping over your own feet. Pellegrin 13, runs wide!
Have you not tried Altra shoes? There aren't any trail running shoes out there wider than the Lone Peak and Olympus styles. The Lone Peaks are too wide for my feet, I don't feel safe running across large rocks and boulders.
I do some times run with 2 Gopros and there has been a few times that I've left one behind Bo! 😲 Luckily I've always remembered in time so I've not lost one yet 😊
I know Ken, it's not white any more! It looked really nice when I first took it out the box 😁 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Ive had the 13s for 6 weeks and 100km. The mid sole is splitting in half in both shoes along the centre rear trough. Outer sole ripping to pieces from the lugs. Complete junk shoe.
I haven’t had any issues on wet tarmac and I think traction in mud is pretty good. You could see in the video that I actually had lots of wet rocks, tarmac and mud on the first run and the outsole performed well 👍
Great video! Appreciate all the time and effort that goes into making these videos. These shoes will most likely be my next purchase for the trails.
That's very kind, thank you! 🙏😊
Another top quality shoe review and demonstration of its performance in some pretty typical Cornish coastal weather! I really appreciate the time & effort you put in to capture all the approach & departure footage. It’s easy to forget the number of turnarounds you must have to do on every run to either pick up or change the direction of the GoPro - it really is worth the effort though as in my opinion it makes your videos among the very best🏃🏻♂️
this is about shoes not camera work mate
nice edit, good review and vibe , I love the peregrine 12 gtx they are so smooth and fit perfect, I will definitely try the 13 , all the best.
Really glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for taking the time to comment 🙏
Love your videos and your footage. Keep up the good work!
Quick question: I’m new to running and looking to do some hiking and light trail runs. Would you recommend the Hoka Speedgoat 5 or the Saucony Peregrine 13 for someone looking at their first trail running shoe?
CHEERS!
Great review mate. Love the colour but no chance I'd get those for up here in Saddleworth. Blue ones it is 😀
Amazing video and a great review of this awesome shoe! I admire the test footage you have done some much, due to the fact that I can tell that you must have gone back to pick up the camera so many times :D
Thank you Loyd for great video. I'm a big fan of Peregrines running them since version 9. I shared the exitement for 12s.
My biggest concern is about the new mash fabric in 13s. Two doubts: durability and dust protection. The outside fabric looks more like road style mesh than something to endure constant abrasion and forefoot flex. The similar remark to the change towards breathability. Won't be the dirt protection compromised? I hope the new fabric will not change the shoe into a dust eater in a 100k race. Seems like these two elements may be an "Achilles heel" of this version . Can you please give your opinion on these two points in your next full review? Thank you. Always enjoying your reviews.
Love your channel Loyd (waiting impatiently for the Arc of Attrition video). I'd love it even more if you twisted the shoes to show their pliability 😃
Waiting for the Xodus Ultra 2 review 😉
Great video, thanks Loyd! Thinking about getting a pair of these 😀
great review as always.. would you recommend this shoe for a race like the South Downs Way 50 in April... would it be good in dry conditions? thanks and keep up the good work
Thanks for the great review! In your experience, if you were doing a trail 50k would you go with the Peregrine or the XODUS Ultra... the terrain from this vid looks very similar to the 50k terrain. Thanks for any input you may be able to provide!
This looks really good and I'm tempted, but I have two pairs of Xodus Ultra that I'm very happy with and rotating on a regular basis and will wait for the verdict on the v2.
First impressions of the Xodus Ultra 2's coming soon 👍😊
Hi R4A!
Love the review - it's incredibly useful. I am strongly considering these as my hiking shoes for the Alps. How do you think they would perform on technical terrain for longer hikes?
Hope you're well - best regards.
Nice video. Peregrine 13 seems to be a good update to Peregrine 12. Recently picked a pair of Xodus Ultra for US$60 so I am more than covered in trail shoe department. I need to run more and retire some shoes before I buy any more shoes. 🤞I will probably wait for end of year sales.
$60 for Xodus Ultras is an absolute bargain Tolunay 😲
Hope you enjoy them and thanks for watching 🙏
Where did you get that deal 😢
Great review - i’ve been waiting for this one 😬 previously ran in the peregrine 11’s liked them but, they were just too narrow and switched to the Salomon ultra glide wide. Do these 13’s have more room in the toe box??
I'd love to know this too, I loved the 12s but felt I could have done with just a bit more room for my toes
Thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. I wouldn't say the 13's are any wider than the 12's 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Bloody hell Loyd you’re going to end up costing me a fortune mate😂 top video again!
Thanks Phil and sorry 😂
Can’t wait for it to hit South African stores. 😃
The Exodus Ultra is my current go-to trail shoe, but after only 300km, the sole is destroyed. So new shoes is needed.
Xodus Ultra has been the best shoe i've ever run in. Used them on the Lakeland 50 last year and they continue to provide cushion and bounce as well as decent grip a couple of hundred miles later. I'll get another pair when these are done.
Great content 👏 will try a pair of Peregrines once my Ultraglides are retired 👌
I just never liked inside of the shoe on Peregrine 12. It didn't work with any of my socks, always slipping. Plus heel counter gave me problems on steep ascents. But that is probably due to my heel which is a bit weird. In the end i went for speedgoat 5 and never regret it.
Great review. 👍
Glad you enjoyed the video and thanks for watching 🙏😁
Hi Loyd, I'm really pleased to see this video as I've bought 4 or 5 pairs of Peregrines now and it is good to see you are still raving over the latest model as they are my favourite trail shoe.
A couple of questions:
Do they still have the lovely little pocket on the inside roughly around the mid point which is just there to catch large amounts of grit and gravel? Various trail shoes seem to have this and it would be great to see it designed out.
Have you got your hands on the ST version? I have a pair of Peregrine 10 STs and they are great at reducing the amount of water that gets into the shoe and the extra grip works very well on muddy ground. I did though find the sole to very slippery on smooth wet rock / concrete etc. I also found the crease across the top of the toe box to be very uncomfortable when I put the shoes on, to the point that I nearly sent them back. I'm glad I didn't as I found them very comfortable to actually run in and the crease wasn't an issue.
Thanks, Mr Colin.
Love the videos Floyd - Are all the shoes you test Neutral? Are you able to add if any are for pronators too?
My Gait is neutral, so all the shoes I tests out are neutral in their structure 👍 Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏
Have you tried Peregrine 13ST? If so, please let us know your opinion. I would especially like to know how it rides on asphalt. By the way, the 13 standard model is not sold in Japan, only the GTX and ST.
I'm not a lover of the ST version. I think the standard Peregrine give you a more consistent level of grip on different surfaces 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
Thank you very much for your advice. I bought the 13ST the other day and tried it out trail running. I was able to grip it well and make a powerful dash on the soft dirt road with fallen leaves and mud, but I slipped on a wet river rock and hit my butt! The regular Peregrine 13 was sold on a USA site, so I plan to purchase that.
Another good review, why would you choose these of Saucony Xodus Ultra ? Is it the type of terrain ?
Definitely terrain, the Peregrine feels a bit more connected when running on more technical terrain. You also get a little bit more traction from the outsole 👍
With the update to the Peregrine midsole has bought the two shoes closer when it comes to performance. Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏😊
Just picked up the ST version of the 13! Excited to give them a go. I passed on the last two generation and these seem to address the issues I had with the them.
Does it have no laces cover? Don't get why they removed that, is great when ankle deep in mud!
do you have any heel rub (I have on both the 12 & 13)? I tried the runners knot and it mostly helps
I've never had heel rub in any of the Peregrines that I've run in Robert 🤔
I had heel rub in P12 and Xodus ultra. Loves them otherwise. Ended up returning P12.
Thanks!
Yes, Saucony are certainly very durable trail running shoes, totally agree. However, I disagree with you Loyd and your statement that Saucony are perfect for all kind of terrain. It's overstatement. They are very good for a soft terrain, wet and muddy, lose terrain like gravel and that would be all. Moreover, Saucony are pretty unsafe on the hard, wet terrain and wet rocks/stones. I assume because of the compound of the sole which hasn't changed much or at all. I use them myself and only during bad, rainy weather conditions with extra attention on the rocks and hard, wet terrain because it's like ice skating.
I agree they’re a bit dangerous on wet rocky terrain. It’s the rubber compound it’s durable but not sticky
I've heard a few runners say the same but I've never had any issues on wet rock with any of the Peregrines I've run in. Obviously running on the coast path down here in Cornwall there's lots of rocks to deal with and they've always been fine. It's not an overstatement Jarek, it's just the way the Peregrine has performed for me. If Id had any grip issues on wet rock I would have mentioned it but I haven't 🤔
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
@@Run4Adventure Pleasure Loyd👍 Great reviews and I do like your insights into trail running footware in general. Keep it up!💪👏
I have been running in the Peregrine since version 10 and I have to disagree that running on wet rock is like ice skating! I have run in quite a few trail shoes and yes there are those with better wet-grip (VJ for example) but the difference isn’t making up for all the excellent grip on other surfaces. And the comfort and control you get from the Peregrines 😍
Running in Ireland, There are dreadful for wet rock in my experience I don't know how people who have reviewed this shoe don't bring it up. It's not just lyold who says there "great all round grip" to be fair I've heard a few different ones say it.
As the 12,s are now half price,are the 13 worth twice the money?
I`m a big Saucony fanboy. Or sadly, tending to was...The last couple of versions of both the Xodus and the Peregrine just doesn't work for me. They are to narrow at the mid foot area and it gets pretty painful. Every version of the Xodus, except the Ultra, were brilliant shoes and the Peregrine up until the 10 the same. The current versions not so much. Its tempting to try the 13 after your fine review, but it seems like every shoe that fits your foot like a glove is to narrow for me 🙂
Bring back the Koa ST
Judging by what you're saying Jan, I'd say the new Peregrine 13's would be to narrow for your foot shape still. It's very fitted around the midfoot, even more so than the 12's so I think you'd struggle. Wow someone who got on with the KOA ST! That was a very strange fitting running shoe, so wide at the midfoot it was almost square! I stocked that shoe in the running shop and I think I only sold one pair to a guy who had the widest foot I've ever seen 😲 I think it was one of Saucony's worst selling shoes so I don't think they'll be bringing back unfortunately 😔
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
My favorite Peregrine... More cushioning, grip and stability compared to 12 standard (the ST version had the worst grip on wet surfaces). The 11 was too heavy.
The fit seems better than the xodus ultra with more space on fingers area. The 10 was good but this I think it will be the best version
@Run4Adventure - Hi Loyd, thanks for this, really appreciate the quality reviews - Looking forward to the upcoming Xodus, but I have a quick couple of questions:
1) Is the cushioning measurement in addition to the sock-liner or without it, and is that the case with your other reviews eg the xodus ultra?
2) I loved the xodus (have the winterpack one) and the drop in cusioning has been fine (prob due to sockliner)
However, for half marathons, I am used to speedgoat 4 cusioning levels and wanted to get the Pereguin 13s as I've spotted a good deal, but am conscious that while droping from the goat's 28m forefoot to the xodus' 26.5 and now considering the Pereguin's 24mm... what do you think ?
Thanks Rob, I'm glad you enjoyed the video. The new Peregrine 13's definitely offer more cushioning than the 12's. However it's not going to feel as cushioned as a Speedgoat! The Speedgoat midsole is definitely softer and the Xodus Ultra still offers more cushioning than the Peregrine. Hope this helps, is it the £69.99 deal you've seen? 🤔
@@Run4Adventure Yup!
Thoughts on Peregrine 13 vs Xodus Ultra? Do tell, thanks
Right, thought the same. How much difference in cushoning? 0.5 mm deeper lugs? Are they even more comfy than Xodus Ultra?
I think the xodus 2 is in for testing
I only put about 100 km on my Peregrine 12‘s and then switched to the Xodus Ultra‘s. I have three sets of those and between them I put about 2000 km on them. Still my absolute favorite set of shoes. Looking for forward to the updated version. I don‘t think I‘m up for trying the Peregrine 13, even if a bit of cushioning has been added. But will see what the longterm review says and maybe I‘ll give them another go. They do look really good. Anyways, thanks for the review Loyd.
I absolutely hate the thin tongue on the 13s! The 11’s were absolutely my favorite, yes heavier but just had to slip on and off I go. On the 13’s tongue shift and twist when putting on, I constantly have re-adjust it only when putting on. Can I live with it? Of course but I wouldn’t get another pair. The rest of the shoe is stellar though.
I personally think the Peregrine 11 wasn't as good as the 10,12 or 13's, it was a bit heavy and it had to much padding around the heel for me. If the issue only happens when you putting the shoes on and not when you're running, what's the problem? 🤔
Can’t wait to get my hands on those 😀
It's a great update, thanks for watching Michael 🙏😊
My first and second impression about Saucony Peregrine 13 is that this has the worst sole knob pattern or material compound, in the wet condition especially on the rocky terrain is like you run on the ice, no grip!!
Now I suffer from an ankle sprain on my right leg because the shoe slipped badly, I run a lot on these trails, I used to run with a Salomon Sense ride 3, never had this happen to me even on snowy rocks either.
On easy terrain, on grass, on gravel roads, on dirt roads on terrain without large rocks and roots, maybe good, the shoe itself is light and comfortable with too much cushioning and I think that's why it doesn't have good stability.
The corset tends to unravel.
I wouldn't say this is a trail running shoe.
Great look.
I run on the coast paths of Cornwall with lots of mud and wet rocks and I've never had an issue with grip in the Peregrine 13? 🤔
@@Run4Adventure great for you, unfortunately this happened to me 😌
@@gergo-hajdu what trail shoe did you use before the Peregrine 13? 🤔
According to my own experience, the best sole structure was the Adidas Galaxy Trail, which is not a professional trail running shoe.
In the very first time i had a Galaxy Trail from Adidas and then the Salomon Sense Ride 3, and now i suffer with the Saucony 😐
Done 400 miles in the Xodus since September, love them. Am I getting this right? Xodus, half and above, Peregrine shorter stuff and now Ride15 TR for road to trail. Too many shoes which cross over!
Loyd are you still planning a running belt comparison video? Csport still the belt to beat?
Will definitely look to get some of these when the 12s give out. Were these the original laces? The ones I got with the 12s were so short, I couldn’t use the top 3 eyelets.
the laces and the eyelets have changed. the laces are now stretchy
@@robertlynn9667 doh! I hate stretchy laces, always have to stop and faff around retightening them...
good shoes, and very nice. But, for me: the big trouble is the little part under the sole, at the heel, where there is the foam: it has been torn, and the same happened with my peregrine 12. Why did they do this foam part so exposed? it's so logical that it would do that! and little stones came in the hole after that, it's so bad because otherwise these shoes would have been perfect for me. I would like so much to tell Saucony's about this! and I see that for the peregrine 14, the sole is still the same. I run in moutain tracks around where I live, the ground is quiet agressive with a lot of rocks ans roots, but I thought these shoes where made for that
Version 10 was a favourite of mine. Too bad the upper didn't really work out for me, as it started ripping everywhere. I'm looking forward to finding this one with a bit of a discount because 150€... man, this shoe's become more and more expensive throughout the years for sure!
Can you review the saucony Peregrine 13ST ,Love to know your thoughts on it
Hi Lloyd you prefer the Peregrine13 or the Xodus Ultra pls? Thank you so much
It's hard to say at the moment? I need to put some more miles in both shoes and then I'll have a better idea. They're both really good trail shoes though Francois! Thanks for watching 🙏😊
I'm STILL trying to wear out the Peregrine 10s that I don't like. 😂
Had the 10 and 12 versions, the fabric split around the toes on the upper on both, the 12s only lasting 200 miles. Hopefully these are more durable?
Found these online for half price and considering getting them for my first trail running shoe. Would your recommend sizing up half a size? I have narrow kangaroo feet similar to yours by the sound of it haha
I found them true to size 👍
I ducked out of Peregrines after a diabolical 11 experience and went to Altra Timps then came the Xodus Ultra which is superb and now i'll have to get the Peregrine 13 to try. Are we saying that the Peregrine is for wetter, muddier trails and the Xodus Ultra is for slightly firmer trails? There's not a lot of difference between the P13 and the XU, a little extra cushion in one and 1mm more lugs in the other.
But… stop the presses!
They have changed the lug pattern. Fewer and bigger. Are they also deeper? Looks promising 😀
I just received a new pair of the Saucony Peregrine 13s. Love the look of the shoe, but the feel of the shoe wasn't working for me. The shoe pinched my toes and didn't feel like it offered much support. I just didn't like the overall fit and feel of this shoe. I have worn many different Saucony shoes (and loved them) but this one was not my favorite. Sending them back.
It's a very fitted shoe this time around Brian, maybe you foot shape is a bit to wide for the upper? I'm quite narrow and it fitted me like a glove 👍
Sorry to hear they didn't work for you, the Xodus Ultra has a bit more width in the toe box. Thanks for watching 🙏
Hi Loyd, how did you find the sizing on the Peregrine 13? Just received this addition of the shoe which is a standard uk 11, but this particular shoe is far too big!!
I've run in the last 3 models of Peregrine and I've been a uk9.5 in all of them and they fit well so I'd say true to size 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
So, I have the Xodus Ultra 👍 I have the Endorphin trail 👍 I loved my Peregrine 10’s not so much the 11’s so I’d best go shopping for some 13’s 🤔😂
How do the Xodus Ultra compare to the Endorphin Edge?
Oh man, bought the peregrine 13st as a replacement for the salomon speedcross 5 but it has been an epic fail. Got blisters from hell on my heels. So bad.. and they are slippery as hell on tarmac. After 60 miles of trying I'm foing to throw them in a corner of my shed. Too bad! 😭
Sorry to hear that! 😕
It just highlights how personal running shoe choice is because I haven’t had any issues with blisters running in the Peregrine 13 🤔
Great review as ever - channel is becoming a bit shoes4adventure of late!
Thanks Richard 👍
It's that time of year, lots of new models and updates coming out that need testing. We've got a new headtorch and hydration vest review coming soon and we'll have our Arc race day video as well. Thanks for watching 🙏
Compared to the hoka mafate speed 4, which one do you prefer to choose? Peregrine 13 or the mafate speed 4?
They are both great trail shoes but they're very different so hard to compare them? If you like more cushioning in the midsole I'd go for the Mafate Speed 4's. If you want a bit more ground feel and stability when running on more technical trails I'd go for the Peregrine 13's. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
@@Run4Adventure alright, thank you for the insights!!
What would be the best trail shoes for ultra races? Currently running in altras lone peak 6 and they’re ok but at 0 heel to toe drop i feel I need a little more support. Thinking of speed goats 5.
I struggle with zero drop on longer runs as we Leo. I'd personally look at the Hoka Mafate Speed 4's or the Xodus Ultra from Saucony 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
Loyd, how would this compare to the Salomon Sense Pro 4?
The Peregrine 13's have a bit more cushioning than the Salomon shoe but they are quite similar 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
They look like a baseball shoe, so more technical looser ground, more rigid, less comfort like a Speedcross, oh and less grip on slippery rock. How would you compare to the ASICS Trabuco 11 and Salomon Sense Ride 5? Seems to me the Soucony Xodus Ultra 2 world be the better all round from the brand?
The Peregrine 13 does run well on technical trail but it's way more comfortable than the Salomon Speedcross 6! Saucony added some more cushioning to the midsole this time round and its made the shoe a lot more comfortable. I'd still say the Xodus Ultra is a better alrounder but it is quite close between the two models. Hope this helps Peter, thanks for watching 🙏😊
Thanks Lloyd!
I feel a hard bump under my big toes in the 12s. Is it the same in the 13s? I sized down a half size from the 10s too, wondering if the sizing has changed
I never had that issue in the 12's? I've always run the Peregrines in a uk9.5, that's the 10's, 11's, 12's and now the 13's 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching 🙏
@@Run4Adventure Seems to have disappeared now after some breaking in. Bought the 12s thinking that Saucony won't do anything major until the Peregrine 14😅
I also love most Saucony shoes, but just the road shoes. Love the specs of the Peregrine too, but it (I think v.10 or v.11) hurt my heels a lot, and I never had that before. I dont think I dare to try a new version if the upper is more or less the same..
Loyd, please stop tempting me with more running shoes.....(Just kidding, don't!!) Great video brother!
Sorry Paul but thanks for watching! 😂
How do these compare to the Nike Wildhorse 8?
The Wildhorse is quite a bit heavier than the Peregrine but it does have more cushioning. Also the Wildhorse woukd give you more width in the toe box if you need it. Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
I still have two beat up just about dead pairs of peregrine 10s.
Which you prefer Nike wildhorse 8 vs these??
I need to run a few more miles in the Wildhorse before I answer that Nathan 🤔 I can say they are both good trail shoes but they do feel quite different to run in. Thanks for watching 🙏😊
My 12s were terrible durability wise. they made it too light. 10s were spot on.
Yes, I confirm. Peregrine 12, I had three pairs, all ended arround 500km (300miles) because of fabric tore alongside forefoot. In compare, 5 pairs of Peregrine 10, all beyond 700km (500 miles), if you accept little ventilation hole😄 at flex point, >1000km (600 miles).
I'm really concerned about the durability of the new fabric in V13. It looks more like road style mesh. Hopefully I miss there something.
Same here. The 10s lasted me for years but the 12s are getting holes on them at less than 250km in. My uppers are wearing at the arch where the insoles touch the upper material. I'd get the 13s if they have corrected this design flaw
Sigh. Every time I hear “fits my footshape perfectly” I know it won’t work for my wide feet. So few brands seem to have wide versions.
Hello Phil, I've had a slight hallux for several years, so I was glad that I finally found this brand. Brooks, for example, I had to buy half a size bigger in the fall so they wouldn't squeeze me. Half a size larger is good for tripping over your own feet. Pellegrin 13, runs wide!
Have you not tried Altra shoes? There aren't any trail running shoes out there wider than the Lone Peak and Olympus styles. The Lone Peaks are too wide for my feet, I don't feel safe running across large rocks and boulders.
Good news! The Peregrine 13 comes in a wide version!
Have you ever forgotten to go back for the camara?
I do some times run with 2 Gopros and there has been a few times that I've left one behind Bo! 😲
Luckily I've always remembered in time so I've not lost one yet 😊
Is it waterproof?
This version of the Peregrine isn't Amir but Saucony make a GTX version that is waterproof 👍
Hope this helps and thanks for watching the channel 🙏😊
Not sure about white for a trail shoe in Britain loyd🤔
I know Ken, it's not white any more! It looked really nice when I first took it out the box 😁
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment it's appreciated 🙏
Ive had the 13s for 6 weeks and 100km. The mid sole is splitting in half in both shoes along the centre rear trough. Outer sole ripping to pieces from the lugs. Complete junk shoe.
It sounds like you've got a faulty shoe, have you contacted Saucony about the issue? This really shouldn't be happening after 100km 🤔
@@Run4Adventure on to that tomorrow. But, you've not got to search too much to find plenty of people with the same issue
they slide on a wet road, and turns and in mud... be careful
I haven’t had any issues on wet tarmac and I think traction in mud is pretty good. You could see in the video that I actually had lots of wet rocks, tarmac and mud on the first run and the outsole performed well 👍
Trail shoes should never be white 😂😂😂
I totally agree but it does look good! Unfortunately not anymore 😂 Thanks for watching 🙏
All my trail shoes end up brown this time of year, no matter what the starting colour was 😁
Why is he shouting ?
It's called passion Alan, not shouting! 👍
Thanks for watching 😁
Like for Loyd. Thanks for this information about the Saucony peregrine 13. A nice monday for everyone.🌞🏃⛰️
Lloyd it's a good shoes