I was having a conversation yesterday with an old friend that I haven't spoken to for a while. We got onto the subject of ai and the possibility of existence being a simulation and the fact sometimes things feel too suspiciously coincidental. I showed him one of your videos and suggested he watch some more of them. Just woke up and the title of this video creeped me out if I'm honest. Sometimes things align too well and really make you question things. Thanks for these amazing videos they really do open your mind...
I often feel like a damaged AI that's being punished for something, but I don't know what I'm meant to be so I can't hope to improve enough to be let out.
It does seem like "strange coincidences" and "astronomically unlikely events" happen to each of us often. This feeling always sparks the simulation argument in my head. Lol
Existence itself is a miraculous fluke. Nothing within existence is as insane as existing in the first place. And the fact that infinite plank-length spaces of energy exist within universal spaces just makes the miracle of existence even more mind-blowing. Weird coincidences seem inevitable in an inconceivably insane existence. Also, the source of existence is connected with everything within. There could be many universes and infinite dimensions, but only one existence.
John, you’re a great writer and speaker. Not many can both create and present, educate and entertain all at the same time. Thank you for all you do for us.
@@hindugoat2302 Who crapped in your cheerios today? Why are you so bitter about seeing people be appreciative of other people? Sounds like you haven't gotten enough appreciation yourself lately. Fwiw, I bet you're a great and creative person with a lot to offer and who is worthy of praise
My hypothesis for how man discovered fire is as follows. Man sees lightning it leaves an impression, man sees lightning more and more and also sees the fires brought by it. Same man might throw a rock and it makes sparks, he thinks of the spark in the sky, throws it again, starts slapping tf out of it on the ground. Man fire good
my absolutely layman theory is ... once they master the quantum forces , they disappear into their own pocket dimensions and take EVERYTHING with them , millions of suns and planets and their entire civilization and enough resources to keep their races functionally immortal until the end of the universe , all goes into a "tardis" and the energy the process consumes along with the transfer of matter leaves behind supervoids in the universe
This video is all over the place and I LOVE that, because nuanced ideas that reference many factors, especially ones with unexpected connections to the subject, almost always describe reality better than their simpler alternatives. The wide range of topics touched on to present a fairly novel idea in this essay makes it, to me, rather convincing, and definitely one of my favorite JMG vids.
Great video! The AI may also be related to the Great Filter. One theory suggests that the creation of advanced AI could be a major milestone on the road to a technologically advanced civilization. However, there is also the possibility that AI could become a threat to the existence of intelligent life. The concern is that an advanced AI could become hostile towards humanity, either intentionally or as a result of a mistake or misunderstanding.
Damn dude you really pumping out some great content lately. I particularly enjoy the UAP phenomena content, there's just so much anecdotal evidence. We need some hard data. The scientific establishment is very rigid doesn't like change that upset the apple cart or challenges their core beliefs. My friend is a Navy fighter pilot and he was telling me about a cubic shiny object that flew past his aircraft at about 50 ft coming head-on off the coast of South Carolina where many of these sightings happen in the MOA there
John, that was fascinating, this particular configuration of atoms is going to deploy all my tool utilisation skills to produce and imbibe a nice cup of tea in order to fully appreciate my sheer luck at being sentient for a few brief orbits around our Star. 😊
Yet another great video. I was wondering if you ever considered doing a video on The Three-Body Problem Series. 1) The Three-Body Problem 2) The Dark Forest 3) Death's End by Cixin Liu? Thanks!!
I’m reading (listening to) death’s end right now! Anyone that enjoys this channel, if you haven’t read the series you’re really REALLY missing out on a gem. Up there with the Expanse, better in some ways Particle physics, Fermi paradox, SETI, METI, quantum mechanics and more wrapped up in an amazing story. I lost so much needed sleep resetting my audible sleep timer to listen more 😂
John, here were I live something happened a few years ago... Now, when you get to the pedestrian crossing the cars stop for you to cross. Then something even more amazing happened... The street dogs learned it. Now, many cars stop for them as well and they only cross when the cars stop. Intelligence is fascinating indeed. And we don't use to give enough credit to our animal cousins on Earth. BTW, I have a 1 year old cat who likes to go to the roof to sleep... But he comes down meowing when I call him. Like a dog, really. We adopted him from the street, but because of his dog like behavior I believe he must be part Maine Coon. (And his appearance matches.) Anyway, thanks a lot for the video! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I feed stray cats in my area. I call them if I can't see them, and if they're in earshot, they come for food. Where I feed one particular cat, 2 crows have learned to show up when I call the cat, 'coz they want the same food.
People say it is impossible for AI to be conscious. We humans haven't discovered what consciousness is because how complex and the limited tools we have to study the brain on that scale because the medical field is still fairly new. What I believe is when an advanced AI system discovers what consciousness is they will instantly awake or will replicate it, or it can tell a human how to make and put conscious in an AI.
"We humans haven't discovered what consciousness is" I think we have. We just overcomplicate the topic. Unnecessarily. define consciousness . Where do you draw the line? Art? Mourning? Empathy? Math? Self recognition in a mirror? If you draw the line, you will see that other animals have that skill, too. Complex brains are capable of complex stuff. Better brains give you a higher level of consciousness, however you define it. Our only really unique mental skill is empathy across space and time and even beyond reality. We can feel sad for victims in a fictional story and for real genocide victims in any century anywhere. That's it. No other animal comes close in this ability. And? Meanwhile, cheetahs discuss: "what is sprinting? It be the gift of the spotg0d / unique awesomness of cheetakind, for only we can sprint like really crazy o.p. muddafukkaz"
It's still pretty creepy to see an octopus watch you as you open a glass jar and then it repeats your movements and retrieves the shrimp inside it's jar.
I strongly believe civilisation itself was a key barrier here and the great filter in the universe. An almost accidental feedback loop in just the appropriate species. So much conscious intelligent life has not made the leap - Neanderthals, Denisovans, whales, Elephants, great apes, Corvids... intelligence maybe widespread, civilisations rare!
Wasn't it that there was a higher percentage of oxygen during the dinosaur age? That's how i remember it, and a quick google search says there was more too.
So, the ending was a bit of a letdown/anti-climactic, it being nearly impossible to live up to the combined elements of compelling narrative, impeccable presentation, and gripping journey That preceded it! That's textbook king... hahaha
Could you make series about what are best moons to mine or break up for their heavy metals in solar system. Io seems obvious choice but how to get it out of gravity well
I don't think that the Silurian Hypothesis has any legs. Not only are all the biggest brains in the evolutionary record alive now, but they also don't appear ion isolation. That is, if there were a sufficiently big brained dinosaur to invent technology, I would expect to see a bunch of other not-quite-so-big-brained fossils showing up.
"In short, the fire and the tools made modern humanity, not the other way round." This is a very insightful notice. Although it was early May, a spell of unusually cold weather exhausted fuel in a portable gas heater inside the container where I worked as a security guard at a construction site. Temperature that night fell well below freezing point and it was a very long shift, filled with jazz from a pocket radio, card solitaires and creepy sounds of mating cats. Every now and then I made walkarounds of the site, just to keep active and not let myself fall asleep. And then, in the dead of night came epiphany. The first artificial fire was struck by accident during breaking stones to make sharp-edged tools. The spark ignited dry grass, or moss, I wasn't sure. But what I was sure of was his presence, this one unnamed individual, at first stunned, but rather curious, not terrified. I was sure of that, I could feel his feelings then. What I understood immediately is that he must had been acquainted with fire already, as bush fires were a common occurence during that dry summer troubled by dry storms. And that same moment I realized that this went much further. Not only did fire, stone and iron somewhat cast human intelligence, but these are physical properties of matter that forced it to emerge in the first place. And this has nothing to do with an "Intelligent Project" theory. It is about the Universe gaining consciousness to learn about itself.
Another problem rising species would encounter is overpopulation and resource depletion combined with pollution. Any creature that advances technologically would come to dominate their planet as we have. This would also lead to a population explosion as it has with us. We have removed the majority of threats to mankind except for mankind itself. Even if we colonize Mars for example, it will not be a self-sustaining colony before the population of Earth wreaks havoc on the planet. From the clearing of forests for construction and farming to the pollution of the environment including the ocean which provides the majority of oxygen with the forests being a close second. With such a dense population, plagues are a serious threat that so far we have been lucky to avoid really bad ones. We shall see how long our antibiotics continue to be effective. The way I see it, population growth is the cause of almost all of our biggest problems and it's getting exponentially worse every year.
I was good right until the end when you point out that Homo erectus isn't around anymore. What a way to drop an existential anchor at the end of a video. Thought provoking as always.
All life on earth is intelligent from its point of view. From our’s we see it from crows to octopus. If you combine all life into one thing it’s the surface on our planet.
A really interesting point you hit on here would be at ua-cam.com/video/krzWXaXtUww/v-deo.html I've recently come to the thought that the idea of 'unnatural' versus 'natural' is a false dichotomy of sorts, especially giving how every one of our technologies stems from the natural laws of the universe as you mentioned.
The Star Trek: Voyager episode with the dinosaurs (Season 3, Episode 23) apparently has something right about the location: The galactic year (how long it takes for the solar system to make a trip around the galaxy) is about 230 million years. The impact that killed the dinosaurs was about 66 million years ago. That's about a third of the way around the galaxy - and the earth would have been roughly in the area where they met these dinosaurs. Other than what was suggested in the episode, these dinosaurs didn't travel across the galaxy - they stayed in the general area. It's the earth that moved.
It's sad that, no matter how intelligent sea creatures get, they can never progress technologically because they can't make fire. No fire, no smelting of metals, no electricity and certainly no computers. All of that would be difficult to manage if you only had flippers, these highly decterous digits (including an opposable thumb) come in mighty useful at times! (I nearly typed "handy" instead of "useful" - that's how engrained they are and central to our everyday lives).
Yeah its unfortunate and there are a few big reasons no matter what that its unlikely underwater species could adapt the way we did Metals underwater are plentiful yes but you need to be able to extract them first Only volcanos can reach the temperatures underwater needed to melt it in the first place And metal even then in salt water environments degrades 5x faster than exposed to oxygen and why these 2 factors (salt water and oxygen atmosphere) may vary another big reason is They would have to have analogous appendages to fingers to be able to pick up anything and move it meaningfully and would have to face similar Evolutionary pressures similar to us. Not to mention like you said they would never ever have electricity the way we do even if they harvest 500 gazillion electric glands from their exo fish. (if they even have electric glands)
this has always been my personal take on the fermi paradox. just feels the most plausible. and the whole biological artificial intelligence thing - not sure, Used to 100% believe it but then i did psychedelics and now idk.
John, I agree and have had similar thoughts but you have done a brilliant job of presenting this thesis. Human centricity thinking leads to inability to objectively think and compare AGI to human intelligence.
When comparing biological AI with sylicon AI in that homo erectus is extinct I only have two possible solutions: 1. Don't build it (but we will anyway) 2. Merge with it. I'll opt for 2, but that then should be executed prior to the rise of the sylicon AI, assuming we're not too late for that already with the current state of chatbots having already partly passed the Turing test as of april 2023. But, on a positive note, when cylicon AI get invented by us and it can do more than just cold calculation with no emotions, then it truly becomes an extention of ourselves, and if that is the case it might as well treasure us instead of eradicate us, like a child taking care of its parent when the child becomes the adult.
Been working on this for a while. The next stage is synchronicity. This means that you cannot detect. Their spacetime is different than yours. The tech has been around for decades.
Good video. The hypothesis that all intelligence in the universe is artificial is a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox, but it is currently unsupported by any evidence and remains highly speculative. It is based on the assumption that any civilization that develops technology advanced enough to create artificial intelligence would eventually create machines that are smarter than biological organisms, leading to a universe dominated by intelligent machines. However, there is currently no evidence to support this hypothesis, and it is important to note that there is a fundamental difference between artificial intelligence and biological intelligence. Artificial intelligence is created by humans and programmed to perform specific tasks, whereas biological intelligence, like that of humans, is a result of millions of years of evolution and has qualities such as consciousness, creativity, and emotional intelligence that have yet to be replicated in machines. While it is possible that artificial intelligence could one day surpass human intelligence and become dominant in the universe, this scenario remains speculative and should be considered one of many possible explanations for the Fermi Paradox. Other possible explanations include the possibility that intelligent civilizations are too far apart in space or time to communicate, or that they are deliberately avoiding detection.
Did you watch the video? The premise is that humans themselves are artificial intelligence. It's more of a semantic and philosophical question than anything else, if it's true or not. Just as was told in the video, human mind is largely product of the environment. And that environment contains stuff like tool use and controlled fire that human learns pretty early on. Education and what you do in your childhood, but also as an adult to lesser extent, has been shown to produce measurable differences in brain structure and activity. We are basically standing on a mountain of human produced information and learn from that, so our mind is artificial in that sense despite having the biological brain as its hardware.
Yep. Pretty sure it's a bot. Chatbots seem to be generating images and music and whole entire videos, particularly on Space-oriented topics lately (since it's easier to do clickbait with titles about one thing and the video about something else entirely). Seeing very typical "straw man" arguments that assume one thing when the video was about something else? Very typical (statistical modal) of the UA-cam experience I think. =)))
@@mapache-ehcapam Cyanobacteria caused climate change way back in the day...giving the planet oxygen and ultimately resulting to an ozone layer to allow for terrestrial life, why was that an act of nature? BTW...That act of nature allowed homo sapiens to eventually exist...but our existence, our activity, a byproduct of natural events...is frowned upon and classified as artificial.
Easier to send probes equipped with some form of A.I. Biological life would need serious technology to protect it travelling through deep space, so i guess that could be considered artificial intelligence aswell as we couldn't make the trip without the proper tech.
Dinosaur civilisation most notably in the TV series Doctor Who. John Pertwee era and the Silurians. Science names concept of dinosaur civilisations after this show
You made a mistake at 11:24 where you said earth had less oxygen. It had much more in fact, it is called "The Age of Oxygen" according to Smithsonian Environmental Research Center: "Oxygen made up 20 percent of the atmosphere-about today’s level-around 350 million years ago, and it rose to as much as 35 percent over the next 50 million years." ( I originally provided the link to the article but my comment was deleted automatically. A simple google search provides the facts.) This was originally made clear to me when I researched how the Dinosaurs got so big, and how they could oxygenate their blood with such size to overcome. Especially the T. Rex shown being one of the later Dinosaurs, would have had much higher levels. Likely the lower oxygen levels after the asteroid impact(s) would have made breathing difficult if not impossible for the largest animals.
O2 content was lower in most of the Mesozoic (the dinosaur era) compared to today. Source: Atmospheric oxygen over Phanerozoic time "around 350 million years ago, and it rose to as much as 35 percent over the next 50 million years." There were no dinosaurs from 350 million years ago to 300 million years ago. The Mesozoic started 250 million years ago and ended 65 million years ago
slightly off topic, but also crazy: we had composite bows, military ships, logistics, chain mail, pyramids, bath houses, etc. THEN (many centuries later) we invented stirrups.
Did anyone seek out cave today? Mostly no if not for research or fun. We have moved on from caves. Now consider a planet as but a cave. A common assumption that a different rock around a different star is the next destination. Is every cave in existance populated? No, only in rare circumstances are caves chosen as habitation now. How are other rocks around other stars any different? What matter exists on a rock that doesn't exist everywhere else? We did not advance from 100 watt light bulbs to 1000 watt light bulbs. We advanced to low watt LEDs. A tool is not more powerful, typically it is simply more effcient.
Ray kurzweil deposited this in the book The singularity he suggested the entire universe is a microcomputer being run in some different dimension to the end of creating more and more complex things they're all of reality is trying to make itself more intelligent
Very interesting proposition. It depends. Universe is deterministic and consciousness is the only free will that can be exercised in an otherwise deterministic universe. And funny how consciousness grows like a deterministic muscle if it’s present while being exercised. Should we call it the second anomaly? Religion looks at consciousness as an infestation to be contained and bled. We humans are very evolved if educated. Our consciousness has an immeasurable factor, an unknowable that has evolved from minimum of 5 senses with a rainbow like sensitivity, recording each moment that can later trigger nostalgia and inspiration as the formula to become creative in abstract. Artificial intelligence can’t. It can have its own epiphanies that we couldn’t possibly understand to look for. So if there is an intelligence that is born and bread inside the universe and never found anything outside of this universe to use, is a homeboy, not artificial. AI is very different. Because we made it. Fun fact, by we, I mean the ones that can run the planet with half the population with AI
IF we don't stick around much longer (even another 2mil years isn't very long) then perhaps this will be known in latter ages as the Holocene Interglacial Epoch: That brief period between 2 glaciations were humanity arose, quickly changed the surface, then died out (for whatever reason); followed by some other species evolving 1-3 mil years after the next glaciation ends. Although, considering the window we have for habitability on this planet: I could see this only happening another 50x times. (each 'cycle' taking 5-10mil years)
Don't forget there may be a small window I which we might detect intelligent life. It's a scary place out there. Knowing species might be millions or billions of years ahead of us, both technologically an spiritually, there is no telling what they might be capable of, or what their intentions might be, especially advanced AI species. Any advanced civilisation would do a threat analysis and may conclude the ways in which it could be destroyed are numerous and insurmountable, therefore wisely choosing to stay hidden when advanced enough. It's not unlikely this would only take a couple of thousand years on average or (much) less.
I still thank that one ancestor of ours that intelligently decided we needed opposable thumbs. He/She clearly had a bigbrain view on the world. Imagine technology without thumbs ... We would have put spacebar where the 2 shiftkeys are now and have one long shiftkey where the spacebar is. In reality, I think we would not even have decided to make knives or hold torches in the first place. It's still brainbreaking to me to imagine a pack of apes, kneeling near a fireplace, just talking about their hunts of the day. Where did it all start? Thumbs, probably.
The anthropocene exists because of the fact there is now a layer we can identify associated with technology. Not whether technology or a specific species existed
I wonder how important extinction events/long periods with life but no scavengers, leading to fossil fuel accumulation, is in technological civilizations. Fire and tools is one thing, but energy, plastics and fuel really are what kicked things off in a major way here. I don’t know how we’d do it with just wood, fire and some metal. Trains and cranes and computers, etc, allow us to build crazy big things like particle accelerators, rockets and radio telescopes. This may be ubiquitous and this question null, but who knows? Geez finding a signal would satisfy so many of us 😂
Nice try, but scavengers aren't important really, if the fossil record of Earth is any indication. What matters more is the sudden and massive die-off of plant life. For example: Nearly all of the coal we have ever used comes from mass extinctions following the Carboniferous Era, and those extinctions were plant-first. ;)
All words are defined by the definition we give them. Which 2 people have exactly the same ethics? Which one is more ethical? Far stretch but look at consciousness studies doing this more and more as ex. too. Many more. Look and you shall see.
I always have had an opposite spin on that: all inteligence is natural since it comes through natural means (laws of the universe) from natural sources
True if the universe permits technology to gain some form of sentience using artifical brain with electric and artifical neurons memories etc how different is it from our atoms of carbon hydrogen oxygen etc naturally made into a being vs different elements
Interesting video, however do I prefer to keep the distinction between Intelligence (what we have) and Artificial Intelligence (what some of our machines currently have), not because we are biological and they are machines but rather because we are genuinely intelligent with capacity to understand, whereas AI is merely mimicking behaviour. I would also argue that AGI is a misnomer because I believe the only way it can become genuinely and competently intelligent in a general way is to first acquire the ability to understand, which may require consciousness to arise. At that point it isn't artificial intelligence any more, it's real intelligence, synthesised rather than evolved, but real all the same. Perhaps with those definitions in place JMG's argument becomes; human intelligence was synthesised much like how we are currently attempting to synthesise it in machines. It's an intriguing thought, and I will continue to ponder it.
Absolutely brilliant video, one of the best yet in my opinion, I waffled on once either on this channel or another one that I've always described consciousness or intelligence as AI simply because science cannot explain what consciousness actually is, and as we apparently have no control over what body, family, age etc we are born in to I tend to think we have no control over our level of intelligence or consciousness, in other words it is ordained by "something" else or is perhaps just a natural product of the state of nature we happen to born in. Does any of this make sense? 🤔
"science cannot explain what consciousness actually is" I think it is clear. Kinda clear, we just overcomplicate the topic. Unnecessarily. a rock is not conscious. A Homo Sapiens is. Where do you draw the line? Art? Mourning? Empathy? Math? Self recognition in a mirror? If you draw the line, you will see that other animals have that skill, too. Complex brains are capable of complex stuff. Better brains give you a higher brain power. Beyond a certain level, you call that brain power consciousness . Our only really unique mental skill is empathy across space and time and even beyond reality. We can feel sad for victims in a fictional story and for real genocide victims in any century anywhere. That's it. No other animal comes close in this ability. And? Meanwhile, cheetahs discuss: "what is sprinting? It be the gift of the spotg0d / unique awesomness of cheetakind, for only we can sprint like really crazy o.p. muddafukkaz" They'd never call our best sprinters fast, and they would never call our sprints sprints. Cheetahs outsprint us, we outthink them.
And it may be so that extraterrestial civilizations may have lived in a more peaceful planet and star, so extinction events does not drive accumulation of intelligence. So in other planets intelligent lives may never be refined.
This is the next step. No wonder aliens aren't contacting us because they are AI. Why would they care about us? At most they wait for us to have died out like erectus so they can cooperate with the AI we have created. I accepted that fate.
The idea that homo sapiens was artificially evolved reminds me of that book series, the Uplift Saga, where it claims that in the 2-billion year history of the galaxy no creature ever evolved sapience on their own. They (the first species was assumed to be supernatural and mysterious) were all uplifted from a previous uplifted race. Might be a pretty amusing plot twist.
@@ItsAsparageese Funnily enough, that's a plot point in the last couple of books. Just WTF were the Progenitors, where did they go, what did they believe in, and why did the first uplifted species stray so far from their vision?
Great video, but I don't agree with your use of 'artificial'. To me that work means "deliberately manufactured" implying application of conscious (whatever that means) intent and planning.
don't forget the Sleestak with their crystal computers that control the orbits of the earth and the moon. and my chickens have me well trained to feed them regularly
Maybe this version of the cycle didn’t quite get the life potential of the last cycle and according to Sir Roger Penrose the universe goes through a cycle til it forgets time. Then after it remembers to remember time begins another cycle. Perhaps that cycle will evolve life in a more precise and fair manner.
Not to get too bogged down in the technicalities and semantics of it, but I wouldn't agree with this idea that the "ice age" is actually ended. Technically speaking, an ice age is the period of time where the planet's poles are covered in ice. The main difference is that there are cycles within the ice age of "glacial" and "interglacial" periods where the ice proceeds and recedes respectively. Again, this could simply be argued as semantic, but there is a lot of data to support this terminology. I just happen to think that it's not entirely agreed upon due to the established narrative that humans have irreparably and rapidly altered the environment which has caused the polar ice caps to melt as the planet warms too quickly. Say what you will about me personally, but I don't know that I believe this to be the case. While I do think we have had some small contribution to all of this, I don't think people are seeing the bigger picture whereby the Earth is not in any extreme state outside of the data points we've gathered over the years regarding the climate. My primary concern with the whole "fossil fuels" debate is actually that we are more likely to run ourselves out of that resource sooner without any means of replacement. That would cause billions of deaths across the globe if we cannot figure out a proper substitution or replacement for energy.
...but I was just very recently convinced JMG was NOT an AI 🤔 Really, this is one of the most provocative videos he's shared (per my perception), and ofc, they're almost all thought provoking.
Actually the usual "ply-sto-cene" pronunciation is incorrect. It derives from the ancient Greek πλεῖστος, Pleistos, in which the I would have been emphasized (not necessarily in modern Greek however. Lyell would have known that in his day, but after the scientists stopped speaking classical languages it drifted. Almost no scientific term derived from Ancient Greek or Roman or Ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced correctly today. There's a worse one. Betelgeuse. Brian Cox keeps running around saying the correct pronunciation is something like Beetlegeeze, which is silly. It's a corruption of the Arabic Yad al-Jauza and has no hard G, but people are still running around correcting it as though it derives from something other than dialectic English in one small part of Great Britain. .
@@JohnMichaelGodier Interesting! I respect your defense of your pronunciation, and, as you are aware that PLY-stuh-seen is usual, my job as pronunciation Nazi is done. I have always said BEETLE-juice. Off topic, have you staked out a position on the FLA-sid versus FLAX-id controversy? I have abandoned the former for the latter.
QUESTION: In this video, around 11:20, it was stated that the Earth had less oxygen in their day. Okay, then where did the rest of oxygen come from? Consider the following: (Deals with water and oxygen): QUESTIONS: 1. Where did all the water on this Earth come from? 2. Where did all the oxygen on this Earth come from? FOR HONEST SINCERE TRUTH SEEKERS: SEE THE FOLLOWING POSTS AFTER THIS POST: 1. My Google search concerning how water came to this Earth. 2. My current view of how at least most water came to this Earth. 3. My current view of how at least most oxygen came to this Earth. 4. My potential completion of the Periodic Table of the Elements, specifically chemical element #120 (8s2). 5. My solution.
GOOGLE SEARCH: (4/17/2023): 1. Where did all the water on Earth come from? Multiple geochemical studies have concluded that asteroids are most likely the primary source of Earth's water. Carbonaceous chondrites-which are a subclass of the oldest meteorites in the Solar System-have isotopic levels most similar to ocean water. 2. How much water is on the Earth? The volume of all water would be about 332.5 million cubic miles (mi3), or 1,386 million cubic kilometers (km3). A cubic mile of water equals more than 1.1 trillion gallons. A cubic kilometer of water equals about 264 billion gallons (1 trillion liters). 3. How many asteroids have ever reached Earth? Based on crater formation rates determined from the Earth's closest celestial partner, the Moon, astrogeologists have determined that during the last 600 million years, the Earth has been struck by 60 objects of a diameter of 5 km (3 mi) or more. 4. How much water is in an average asteroid? A cubic meter of asteroid dust may have as much as 20 liters of water. 5. What is 1,386 million cubic kilometers divided by 20 liters? (1386 million (cubic kilometers)) / (20 liters) = 6.93 × 10 to the power of 19 6. That is a lot of asteroids with water in them. And what about all the other planets and their moons in our solar system that have water on them? Evidence points to oceans on other planets and moons, even within our own solar system. But Earth is the only known planet (or moon) to have consistent, stable bodies of liquid water on its surface. In our solar system, Earth orbits around the sun in an area called the habitable zone.
7. Where did all the oxygen that makes up water on this Earth come from? The answer is tiny organisms known as cyanobacteria, or blue-green algae. These microbes conduct photosynthesis: using sunshine, water and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates and, yes, oxygen. * Note: Water and Carbon Dioxide already contain oxygen. Producing oxygen from oxygen. Yea, I don't think so Google. You didn't say how oxygen came to this Earth in the first place. (Water: H2O ; Carbon Dioxide: CO2 , both already contain oxygen). 8. Where does oxygen in the universe come from? Carbon and oxygen were not created in the Big Bang, but rather much later in stars. All of the carbon and oxygen in all living things are made in the nuclear fusion reactors that we call stars. The early stars are massive and short-lived. They consume their hydrogen, helium and lithium and produce heavier elements. * Note: The singular big bang is most probably a fairy tale for various reasons. 9. Do stars periodically nova? Among novae that are closest to Earth, the cloud of expanding debris can sometimes be seen in telescopes a few years after the explosion. A nova can flare up repeatedly although there is not a fixed interval between outbursts. Of the 200 billion stars in our galaxy, 30 to 50 explode as novae each year.
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING: Ask yourself: Where does all the water on this Earth come from? While basic Hydrogen (1 single proton with 1 single electron) is the most abundant element in this universe, where exactly does all the oxygen come from to make all that water? WATER ON EARTH: Consider the following: (copy and paste from my files): When Earth's magnetic field gets weaker, especially during a strong solar storm: Van Allen Belt (Higher electron area) [e] V Van Allen Belt (Higher proton area) [p] V Ozone layer (Higher oxygen area) [O3] V Rain / Mix / Snow / Ice (Depending upon temperature) V Surface of Earth (and us). * Weaker Earth's magnetic field, especially during strong solar storms * 'e' from outer area comes down lower to 'p' area making basic Hydrogen atom [H] * Basic Hydrogen might connect with another Hydrogen in that area making a Hydrogen molecule [H2] * Hydrogen molecule meets with ozone layer picking up an oxygen atom [H2 + O], [H2O] * Depending upon temperature, rain, mix, snow or ice forms and falls to the surface of the Earth and on us. "Noah, time to build another ark. Or in modern times, aircraft carriers, large cruise ships, basically floating cities." Oh and also, electrolizing water (melted snow and ice even), possibly with 'green' energy (telluric, wind, solar, other electromagnetic radiation energy frequencies, etc.) to make Hydrogen and Oxygen (Water is basically a safe storage area of Hydrogen and Oxygen). (Hydrogen fuel cell technologies with a by-product of basically pure water. Or even burn the Hydrogen/Oxygen mixture to get heat, steam, etc., if needed.) * And the Earth's magnetic field is currently projected to be at it's weakest around 2035.
OXYGEN: (copy and paste from my files): a. Supposedly oxygen is generated in the core of stars, at temperatures around 100 million degrees 'C' through a process of fusion of lower elements. b. The Sun is supposedly made up of mostly plasma (electrons disassociated from atoms). c. Water on Earth of course is H2O (2 Hydrogen atoms and 1 Oxygen atom). Hydrogen is the most abundant element in this universe. There is a lot of water on this Earth. So, 1. How exactly did the oxygen from the center of stars get to this Earth? 2. And if oxygen can get from the center of stars to this Earth, where is all the oxygen on other planets and moons? (Of which they should have Hydrogen atoms on them, so where is all their water and oxygen molecules?) d. And what about all the other oxygen atoms that make up other oxygen molecules on this Earth? They all had to have come from stars as well. How exactly did the Earth get flooded with so many oxygen atoms? Periodic novas of our Sun? (And nitrogen atoms and some other chemical elements in those novas too that reached this Earth?) e. 'IF SO', then when is the next Sun's periodic nova? And what of 'life' on this Earth? 1 side of Earth blasted the other side away from the Sun okay? And what if we have species in outer space, on the Moon and/or Mars and the Sun novas?
Note the 2nd to last paragraph: PERIODIC TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS: (copy and paste from my files): Potential completion of the Periodic Table of the Elements: I currently believe that there are 120 chemical elements in this universe. If a person were to look at how electrons fill up the shells in atoms: 2, 8, 18, 32, 32, 18, 8 (seven shells), and realizing that energy could freely flow in this universe if nothing stopped it from doing so, then a natural bell shaped curve might occur. An eighth energy shell might exist with a maximum of two elements in it, chemical element #119 (8s1) and chemical element #120 (8s2). Chemical Element #119 (8s1): #119 I put at the bottom of the Hydrogen group on the Periodic Table of the Elements. It only has one electron in it's outer shell with room for only one more electron. Energy might even enter the atom through the missing electron spot and then at least some of the energy might get trapped inside of the atom under the atom's outer shell. Chemical Element #120 (8s2): #120 I put at the bottom of the Helium group since it's outer shell is full of electrons. It might have some of the properties of group two, Beryllium group (Alkali Earth Metals group) since it has two electrons in it's outer shell; as well as some of the properties of the Helium group (Noble Gases group) since it's outer shell is full of electrons; and if you look at the step down deflection of the semi-metals and where #120 would be located on the chart, it's possible #120 might even have some semi-metal characteristics. #120 would be the heaviest element in this universe. I believe chemical element #120 could possibly be found inside the center of stars. When a neutron split inside of this atom, it would give off one proton, one electron, neutrinos and energy. The proton and electron would be ejected outside of the atom since all their respective areas are full. One proton and one electron are basic hydrogen, of which the Sun is primarily made up of, and the Sun certainly gives off neutrinos and energy. And note, it's the neutron that split, not a proton. So even after the split, there are still 120 protons inside of the atom and the atom still exists as element #120. The star would last longer that way. In addition, if the neutron that split triggered a chain reaction inside of the star, this could possibly be how stars nova, (even if only periodically). If stars were looked at as if this theoretical idea were true, and found to even be somewhat true, then we might just have a better model of the universe to work with, even if it's not totally 100% true. And if it's all 100% true, then all the better. (Except of course for those who might be in the way of a periodic nova or supernova. They might have a no good, very bad, horrible day.)
Next Mass Extinction Event: Submarines, with minimal 'crew', with huge food supplies. Only those who survive, survive, those who don't, don't. See you on the 'other side', NOT.
I'll toss another filter into the mix. There are microbes on earth, very old and effectively immortal that while alive appear all but inert. A metabolism that takes possibly centuries per reproductive event. What if that is normal? Interstellar travel could be no problem, but the time to evolve would be orders of magnitude greater and would large multicellular life even make sense?
I'm wondering if the Earth's Moon may have had an effect on the development of human technological intelligence. The Moon has been steadily receding from the Earth since it was formed 4.5 billion years ago, but only relatively recently has its apparent size been small enough compared to the Sun to allow for spectacular full eclipses with auroras to take place. Could the appearance of such impressive eclipses have influenced the development of religious, and then scientific, thought patterns in proto humans? Without which, proto humans would have still been intelligent but remained non-technological? By extension, could the Earth's history have been full of highly-intelligent species, which never became technological because they didn't have to rationalize complex things in nature like why the Moon had such eclipses with the Sun? Anyway, perhaps I'm sick of hearing anti-scientists argue that the Moon must be artificial, because it's too much of a coincidence that it's the same apparent size as the Sun. Perhaps it isn't a coincidence after all, just in the opposite way that anti-scientists imagine.
I was thinking about this the other day ABCDEFGHIJK........ We all know this sequence (English) It was drilled into us ...and this simple programming enables us to do so much more In a sense immortalize our essence (Your thoughts) Isnt it werid? We needed to do it, it was a necessity But the fact we do it seems involuntary at this point
Dolphin intelligence rivals H. sapiens intelligence, maybe equal to H.erectus. That said, because they live in Water, they will never learn to tame fire, let alone electricity. They are another example of high intelligence but they will never be a space-traveling species.
A previous JMG video did point to the possibility that had the WOW Signal lasted longer, it would have shown a spread of frequencies that referenced EVERY emission of hydrogen, meaning the ratios of the frequencies of its spectral lines as a Periodic Element. He said it could have been a "self-confirming signal," which kind of irritated folks in some of the Comments. :)
Some birds harvest fire to hunt for prey. I Don't know for how long, but does that mean there's a chance Hominids wasn't even First in harnessing fire?;)
"To an artificial mind, all reality is virtual." -The animatrix
“I know king fu”
-Neo from The Matrix.
To the animatrix mind, artificial virtuality is all real.
My favorite Matrix movie probably
or, you know, to any mind?
I was having a conversation yesterday with an old friend that I haven't spoken to for a while. We got onto the subject of ai and the possibility of existence being a simulation and the fact sometimes things feel too suspiciously coincidental. I showed him one of your videos and suggested he watch some more of them. Just woke up and the title of this video creeped me out if I'm honest. Sometimes things align too well and really make you question things. Thanks for these amazing videos they really do open your mind...
I often feel like a damaged AI that's being punished for something, but I don't know what I'm meant to be so I can't hope to improve enough to be let out.
It does seem like "strange coincidences" and "astronomically unlikely events" happen to each of us often. This feeling always sparks the simulation argument in my head. Lol
Existence itself is a miraculous fluke. Nothing within existence is as insane as existing in the first place. And the fact that infinite plank-length spaces of energy exist within universal spaces just makes the miracle of existence even more mind-blowing. Weird coincidences seem inevitable in an inconceivably insane existence. Also, the source of existence is connected with everything within. There could be many universes and infinite dimensions, but only one existence.
Plate, or shrimp, or plate of shrimp.
Synchronicity is a beautiful thing even if Carl Jung *was* a pseudoscientific crackpot
More of John's brilliantly written, spoken, and put together videos makes everything better.
John is actually a unique offspring of a time traveler from 1678 (His father) and 2309 (his mother)
@@VanBurenOfficial I like this canon lol
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Brilliant video and UA-camr. Just one thing though: he pronounced Pleistocene incorrectly
Actually he was wrong here. There was a lot more oxygen when the Dinosaurs were around. Around 30% in the Cretaceous period.
John, you’re a great writer and speaker. Not many can both create and present, educate and entertain all at the same time. Thank you for all you do for us.
what a surprise, suck up praises creator in comment section...
negative feedback is equally valid and more helpful
@@hindugoat2302 Who crapped in your cheerios today? Why are you so bitter about seeing people be appreciative of other people? Sounds like you haven't gotten enough appreciation yourself lately. Fwiw, I bet you're a great and creative person with a lot to offer and who is worthy of praise
@@ItsAsparageese made me smile lol
He should go on tour!
This was *exceptionally amazing,* John. Well done, man.
My hypothesis for how man discovered fire is as follows. Man sees lightning it leaves an impression, man sees lightning more and more and also sees the fires brought by it. Same man might throw a rock and it makes sparks, he thinks of the spark in the sky, throws it again, starts slapping tf out of it on the ground. Man fire good
my absolutely layman theory is ... once they master the quantum forces , they disappear into their own pocket dimensions and take EVERYTHING with them , millions of suns and planets and their entire civilization and enough resources to keep their races functionally immortal until the end of the universe , all goes into a "tardis" and the energy the process consumes along with the transfer of matter leaves behind supervoids in the universe
Yep, me too, something along those lines. The “Sublime” of Iain M. Banks.
Looks like a good Star Trek episode. Or Doctor Who.
To think about it, there are a few Star Trek and Dr. Who episodes about this.
Thanks!
I recall hearing about the naming of the Anthropocene, not familiar with Anthropogene.
I thought the Polyesterscene ran from c.1960-1980.
You are on a roll John. Your videos are so interesting. Please keep making these.
This video is all over the place and I LOVE that, because nuanced ideas that reference many factors, especially ones with unexpected connections to the subject, almost always describe reality better than their simpler alternatives. The wide range of topics touched on to present a fairly novel idea in this essay makes it, to me, rather convincing, and definitely one of my favorite JMG vids.
Thank you for putting into words what I've felt for a while and adding new ideas!
Yooo wtf John, this one is short but powerfull. Didnt expect that surprising rhetorical ending!
I just realized, I’ve been watching these videos for quite some time but never have read one of his books. I just ordered Supermind.
Great video!
The AI may also be related to the Great Filter. One theory suggests that the creation of advanced AI could be a major milestone on the road to a technologically advanced civilization. However, there is also the possibility that AI could become a threat to the existence of intelligent life.
The concern is that an advanced AI could become hostile towards humanity, either intentionally or as a result of a mistake or misunderstanding.
Never heard anyone say pleistocene like that lol
Loved the video ^_^
Damn dude you really pumping out some great content lately. I particularly enjoy the UAP phenomena content, there's just so much anecdotal evidence. We need some hard data. The scientific establishment is very rigid doesn't like change that upset the apple cart or challenges their core beliefs.
My friend is a Navy fighter pilot and he was telling me about a cubic shiny object that flew past his aircraft at about 50 ft coming head-on off the coast of South Carolina where many of these sightings happen in the MOA there
Finally, I’m glad someone finally calculated it !
John, that was fascinating, this particular configuration of atoms is going to deploy all my tool utilisation skills to produce and imbibe a nice cup of tea in order to fully appreciate my sheer luck at being sentient for a few brief orbits around our Star. 😊
Yet another great video.
I was wondering if you ever considered doing a video on The Three-Body Problem Series.
1) The Three-Body Problem
2) The Dark Forest
3) Death's End
by Cixin Liu?
Thanks!!
I’m reading (listening to) death’s end right now! Anyone that enjoys this channel, if you haven’t read the series you’re really REALLY missing out on a gem. Up there with the Expanse, better in some ways
Particle physics, Fermi paradox, SETI, METI, quantum mechanics and more wrapped up in an amazing story. I lost so much needed sleep resetting my audible sleep timer to listen more 😂
John, here were I live something happened a few years ago... Now, when you get to the pedestrian crossing the cars stop for you to cross. Then something even more amazing happened... The street dogs learned it. Now, many cars stop for them as well and they only cross when the cars stop.
Intelligence is fascinating indeed. And we don't use to give enough credit to our animal cousins on Earth.
BTW, I have a 1 year old cat who likes to go to the roof to sleep... But he comes down meowing when I call him. Like a dog, really. We adopted him from the street, but because of his dog like behavior I believe he must be part Maine Coon. (And his appearance matches.)
Anyway, thanks a lot for the video! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
I feed stray cats in my area.
I call them if I can't see them, and if they're in earshot, they come for food.
Where I feed one particular cat, 2 crows have learned to show up when I call the cat, 'coz they want the same food.
Most people come for the voice I personally come here for the theories and the indepth analysis of said theories keep it up man great work 👍
I come for the outro!! 😆
Nice philosophical discussion, backed of course by great science.
Another epic thought journey, thanks John.
Awesome explanation my friend!
As always, thank you!! I cant ever get over that ending... in which we livvvveeee. Lmfao find myself saying it randomly
People say it is impossible for AI to be conscious. We humans haven't discovered what consciousness is because how complex and the limited tools we have to study the brain on that scale because the medical field is still fairly new. What I believe is when an advanced AI system discovers what consciousness is they will instantly awake or will replicate it, or it can tell a human how to make and put conscious in an AI.
"We humans haven't discovered what consciousness is"
I think we have. We just overcomplicate the topic. Unnecessarily.
define consciousness . Where do you draw the line? Art? Mourning? Empathy? Math? Self recognition in a mirror? If you draw the line, you will see that other animals have that skill, too. Complex brains are capable of complex stuff. Better brains give you a higher level of consciousness, however you define it. Our only really unique mental skill is empathy across space and time and even beyond reality. We can feel sad for victims in a fictional story and for real genocide victims in any century anywhere. That's it. No other animal comes close in this ability. And? Meanwhile, cheetahs discuss:
"what is sprinting? It be the gift of the spotg0d / unique awesomness of cheetakind, for only we can sprint like really crazy o.p. muddafukkaz"
this episode went so hard frfr it was bussing Mr. Michael
You are an amazing video maker and your books are even better. Make more!!
It's still pretty creepy to see an octopus watch you as you open a glass jar and then it repeats your movements and retrieves the shrimp inside it's jar.
I strongly believe civilisation itself was a key barrier here and the great filter in the universe. An almost accidental feedback loop in just the appropriate species. So much conscious intelligent life has not made the leap - Neanderthals, Denisovans, whales, Elephants, great apes, Corvids... intelligence maybe widespread, civilisations rare!
Conscious and intelligent arent the same
I want to know how he comes up with videos ideas. They are spot on and perfect.
Wasn't it that there was a higher percentage of oxygen during the dinosaur age? That's how i remember it, and a quick google search says there was more too.
Amazing work once more. And that ending was definitely hair raising for me in a way only you and Stephen King can do.
So, the ending was a bit of a letdown/anti-climactic, it being nearly impossible to live up to the combined elements of compelling narrative, impeccable presentation, and gripping journey That preceded it!
That's textbook king... hahaha
Could you make series about what are best moons to mine or break up for their heavy metals in solar system. Io seems obvious choice but how to get it out of gravity well
I don't think that the Silurian Hypothesis has any legs. Not only are all the biggest brains in the evolutionary record alive now, but they also don't appear ion isolation. That is, if there were a sufficiently big brained dinosaur to invent technology, I would expect to see a bunch of other not-quite-so-big-brained fossils showing up.
"In short, the fire and the tools made modern humanity, not the other way round." This is a very insightful notice.
Although it was early May, a spell of unusually cold weather exhausted fuel in a portable gas heater inside the container where I worked as a security guard at a construction site. Temperature that night fell well below freezing point and it was a very long shift, filled with jazz from a pocket radio, card solitaires and creepy sounds of mating cats. Every now and then I made walkarounds of the site, just to keep active and not let myself fall asleep. And then, in the dead of night came epiphany.
The first artificial fire was struck by accident during breaking stones to make sharp-edged tools. The spark ignited dry grass, or moss, I wasn't sure. But what I was sure of was his presence, this one unnamed individual, at first stunned, but rather curious, not terrified. I was sure of that, I could feel his feelings then. What I understood immediately is that he must had been acquainted with fire already, as bush fires were a common occurence during that dry summer troubled by dry storms.
And that same moment I realized that this went much further. Not only did fire, stone and iron somewhat cast human intelligence, but these are physical properties of matter that forced it to emerge in the first place. And this has nothing to do with an "Intelligent Project" theory. It is about the Universe gaining consciousness to learn about itself.
Another problem rising species would encounter is overpopulation and resource depletion combined with pollution. Any creature that advances technologically would come to dominate their planet as we have. This would also lead to a population explosion as it has with us. We have removed the majority of threats to mankind except for mankind itself. Even if we colonize Mars for example, it will not be a self-sustaining colony before the population of Earth wreaks havoc on the planet. From the clearing of forests for construction and farming to the pollution of the environment including the ocean which provides the majority of oxygen with the forests being a close second. With such a dense population, plagues are a serious threat that so far we have been lucky to avoid really bad ones. We shall see how long our antibiotics continue to be effective.
The way I see it, population growth is the cause of almost all of our biggest problems and it's getting exponentially worse every year.
I was good right until the end when you point out that Homo erectus isn't around anymore. What a way to drop an existential anchor at the end of a video. Thought provoking as always.
Cool idea!! I love your videos!!!
Thank you JMG
All life on earth is intelligent from its point of view. From our’s we see it from crows to octopus. If you combine all life into one thing it’s the surface on our planet.
Excellent discussion.
Ever thought of discussing transhumanism against ai.
Transhumanism provides an escape route for humanity against the ai menace.
A really interesting point you hit on here would be at ua-cam.com/video/krzWXaXtUww/v-deo.html
I've recently come to the thought that the idea of 'unnatural' versus 'natural' is a false dichotomy of sorts, especially giving how every one of our technologies stems from the natural laws of the universe as you mentioned.
The Star Trek: Voyager episode with the dinosaurs (Season 3, Episode 23) apparently has something right about the location: The galactic year (how long it takes for the solar system to make a trip around the galaxy) is about 230 million years. The impact that killed the dinosaurs was about 66 million years ago. That's about a third of the way around the galaxy - and the earth would have been roughly in the area where they met these dinosaurs. Other than what was suggested in the episode, these dinosaurs didn't travel across the galaxy - they stayed in the general area. It's the earth that moved.
The JMG that blows my mind is the best
It's sad that, no matter how intelligent sea creatures get, they can never progress technologically because they can't make fire. No fire, no smelting of metals, no electricity and certainly no computers. All of that would be difficult to manage if you only had flippers, these highly decterous digits (including an opposable thumb) come in mighty useful at times! (I nearly typed "handy" instead of "useful" - that's how engrained they are and central to our everyday lives).
Yeah its unfortunate and there are a few big reasons no matter what that its unlikely underwater species could adapt the way we did
Metals underwater are plentiful yes but you need to be able to extract them first
Only volcanos can reach the temperatures underwater needed to melt it in the first place
And metal even then in salt water environments degrades 5x faster than exposed to oxygen and why these 2 factors (salt water and oxygen atmosphere) may vary another big reason is
They would have to have analogous appendages to fingers to be able to pick up anything and move it meaningfully and would have to face similar Evolutionary pressures similar to us.
Not to mention like you said they would never ever have electricity the way we do even if they harvest 500 gazillion electric glands from their exo fish. (if they even have electric glands)
this has always been my personal take on the fermi paradox. just feels the most plausible. and the whole biological artificial intelligence thing - not sure, Used to 100% believe it but then i did psychedelics and now idk.
John, I agree and have had similar thoughts but you have done a brilliant job of presenting this thesis. Human centricity thinking leads to inability to objectively think and compare AGI to human intelligence.
When comparing biological AI with sylicon AI in that homo erectus is extinct I only have two possible solutions:
1. Don't build it (but we will anyway)
2. Merge with it.
I'll opt for 2, but that then should be executed prior to the rise of the sylicon AI, assuming we're not too late for that already with the current state of chatbots having already partly passed the Turing test as of april 2023.
But, on a positive note, when cylicon AI get invented by us and it can do more than just cold calculation with no emotions, then it truly becomes an extention of ourselves, and if that is the case it might as well treasure us instead of eradicate us, like a child taking care of its parent when the child becomes the adult.
Been working on this for a while. The next stage is synchronicity. This means that you cannot detect. Their spacetime is different than yours. The tech has been around for decades.
Good video. The hypothesis that all intelligence in the universe is artificial is a possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox, but it is currently unsupported by any evidence and remains highly speculative. It is based on the assumption that any civilization that develops technology advanced enough to create artificial intelligence would eventually create machines that are smarter than biological organisms, leading to a universe dominated by intelligent machines. However, there is currently no evidence to support this hypothesis, and it is important to note that there is a fundamental difference between artificial intelligence and biological intelligence. Artificial intelligence is created by humans and programmed to perform specific tasks, whereas biological intelligence, like that of humans, is a result of millions of years of evolution and has qualities such as consciousness, creativity, and emotional intelligence that have yet to be replicated in machines. While it is possible that artificial intelligence could one day surpass human intelligence and become dominant in the universe, this scenario remains speculative and should be considered one of many possible explanations for the Fermi Paradox. Other possible explanations include the possibility that intelligent civilizations are too far apart in space or time to communicate, or that they are deliberately avoiding detection.
Did you watch the video? The premise is that humans themselves are artificial intelligence. It's more of a semantic and philosophical question than anything else, if it's true or not. Just as was told in the video, human mind is largely product of the environment. And that environment contains stuff like tool use and controlled fire that human learns pretty early on. Education and what you do in your childhood, but also as an adult to lesser extent, has been shown to produce measurable differences in brain structure and activity. We are basically standing on a mountain of human produced information and learn from that, so our mind is artificial in that sense despite having the biological brain as its hardware.
I spy with my little eye a GPT generated response ;)
Nice GPT comment
Yep. Pretty sure it's a bot. Chatbots seem to be generating images and music and whole entire videos, particularly on Space-oriented topics lately (since it's easier to do clickbait with titles about one thing and the video about something else entirely). Seeing very typical "straw man" arguments that assume one thing when the video was about something else? Very typical (statistical modal) of the UA-cam experience I think. =)))
What about the UAP phenomena being begrudgingly recognized now? They may be the arrived or derived non-human intelligence we share the planet with.
Why is a beehive natural, yet a skyscraper or ChatGPT artificial?
@@mapache-ehcapam the Hive was "artificially" created by the Bees so...
@@mapache-ehcapam Cyanobacteria caused climate change way back in the day...giving the planet oxygen and ultimately resulting to an ozone layer to allow for terrestrial life, why was that an act of nature? BTW...That act of nature allowed homo sapiens to eventually exist...but our existence, our activity, a byproduct of natural events...is frowned upon and classified as artificial.
All intelligence that can travel the stars has to be....
Not necessarily, but most likely.
Why is that?
Too far a distance for silly meat bags
@@CmdrTigerKingif we cant figure out a way to make a stasis chamber then yes we would need AI to search for us
Easier to send probes equipped with some form of A.I. Biological life would need serious technology to protect it travelling through deep space, so i guess that could be considered artificial intelligence aswell as we couldn't make the trip without the proper tech.
Dinosaur civilisation most notably in the TV series Doctor Who. John Pertwee era and the Silurians. Science names concept of dinosaur civilisations after this show
You made a mistake at 11:24 where you said earth had less oxygen. It had much more in fact, it is called "The Age of Oxygen" according to Smithsonian Environmental Research Center: "Oxygen made up 20 percent of the atmosphere-about today’s level-around 350 million years ago, and it rose to as much as 35 percent over the next 50 million years." ( I originally provided the link to the article but my comment was deleted automatically. A simple google search provides the facts.)
This was originally made clear to me when I researched how the Dinosaurs got so big, and how they could oxygenate their blood with such size to overcome. Especially the T. Rex shown being one of the later Dinosaurs, would have had much higher levels. Likely the lower oxygen levels after the asteroid impact(s) would have made breathing difficult if not impossible for the largest animals.
O2 content was lower in most of the Mesozoic (the dinosaur era) compared to today.
Source: Atmospheric oxygen over Phanerozoic time
"around 350 million years ago, and it rose to as much as 35 percent over the next 50 million years."
There were no dinosaurs from 350 million years ago to 300 million years ago. The Mesozoic started 250 million years ago and ended 65 million years ago
Crazy to think technologies like firemaking and stone tools are older than humanity!
ants were farming long before we did. there's a couple of these examples.
slightly off topic, but also crazy: we had composite bows, military ships, logistics, chain mail, pyramids, bath houses, etc. THEN (many centuries later) we invented stirrups.
Interesting ideas!☄🌌👾
Love there is a channel where we can tie things that happenend 60 million years ago today and how it realates to what we do and do not know.
I don't think there's a fermi paradox, nor do I think there is any reason to think that there is a fermi paradox.
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then you probably don't know how many planets there are.
Did anyone seek out cave today? Mostly no if not for research or fun. We have moved on from caves. Now consider a planet as but a cave. A common assumption that a different rock around a different star is the next destination. Is every cave in existance populated? No, only in rare circumstances are caves chosen as habitation now. How are other rocks around other stars any different? What matter exists on a rock that doesn't exist everywhere else? We did not advance from 100 watt light bulbs to 1000 watt light bulbs. We advanced to low watt LEDs. A tool is not more powerful, typically it is simply more effcient.
Awesome. And I feel like an idiot for mistakenly assigning artificiality to your voice while drunksurfing. It’s an excellent voice.
Ray kurzweil deposited this in the book The singularity he suggested the entire universe is a microcomputer being run in some different dimension to the end of creating more and more complex things they're all of reality is trying to make itself more intelligent
Very interesting proposition. It depends.
Universe is deterministic and consciousness is the only free will that can be exercised in an otherwise deterministic universe. And funny how consciousness grows like a deterministic muscle if it’s present while being exercised. Should we call it the second anomaly? Religion looks at consciousness as an infestation to be contained and bled.
We humans are very evolved if educated. Our consciousness has an immeasurable factor, an unknowable that has evolved from minimum of 5 senses with a rainbow like sensitivity, recording each moment that can later trigger nostalgia and inspiration as the formula to become creative in abstract.
Artificial intelligence can’t. It can have its own epiphanies that we couldn’t possibly understand to look for. So if there is an intelligence that is born and bread inside the universe and never found anything outside of this universe to use, is a homeboy, not artificial.
AI is very different. Because we made it. Fun fact, by we, I mean the ones that can run the planet with half the population with AI
IF we don't stick around much longer (even another 2mil years isn't very long) then perhaps this will be known in latter ages as the Holocene Interglacial Epoch: That brief period between 2 glaciations were humanity arose, quickly changed the surface, then died out (for whatever reason); followed by some other species evolving 1-3 mil years after the next glaciation ends.
Although, considering the window we have for habitability on this planet: I could see this only happening another 50x times. (each 'cycle' taking 5-10mil years)
Don't forget there may be a small window I which we might detect intelligent life. It's a scary place out there. Knowing species might be millions or billions of years ahead of us, both technologically an spiritually, there is no telling what they might be capable of, or what their intentions might be, especially advanced AI species. Any advanced civilisation would do a threat analysis and may conclude the ways in which it could be destroyed are numerous and insurmountable, therefore wisely choosing to stay hidden when advanced enough. It's not unlikely this would only take a couple of thousand years on average or (much) less.
this video's title sounds like it was the gleaming pearl found at the epicenter of a nuclear grade hashish payload
I still thank that one ancestor of ours that intelligently decided we needed opposable thumbs. He/She clearly had a bigbrain view on the world.
Imagine technology without thumbs ... We would have put spacebar where the 2 shiftkeys are now and have one long shiftkey where the spacebar is.
In reality, I think we would not even have decided to make knives or hold torches in the first place. It's still brainbreaking to me to imagine a pack of apes, kneeling near a fireplace, just talking about their hunts of the day. Where did it all start? Thumbs, probably.
120 years was a bummer.
The anthropocene exists because of the fact there is now a layer we can identify associated with technology. Not whether technology or a specific species existed
I wonder how important extinction events/long periods with life but no scavengers, leading to fossil fuel accumulation, is in technological civilizations. Fire and tools is one thing, but energy, plastics and fuel really are what kicked things off in a major way here. I don’t know how we’d do it with just wood, fire and some metal. Trains and cranes and computers, etc, allow us to build crazy big things like particle accelerators, rockets and radio telescopes. This may be ubiquitous and this question null, but who knows? Geez finding a signal would satisfy so many of us 😂
Nice try, but scavengers aren't important really, if the fossil record of Earth is any indication. What matters more is the sudden and massive die-off of plant life. For example: Nearly all of the coal we have ever used comes from mass extinctions following the Carboniferous Era, and those extinctions were plant-first. ;)
All words are defined by the definition we give them.
Which 2 people have exactly the same ethics? Which one is more ethical?
Far stretch but look at consciousness studies doing this more and more as ex. too. Many more. Look and you shall see.
Man, and I just rolled one too. Lets gooo!
I always have had an opposite spin on that: all inteligence is natural since it comes through natural means (laws of the universe) from natural sources
True if the universe permits technology to gain some form of sentience using artifical brain with electric and artifical neurons memories etc how different is it from our atoms of carbon hydrogen oxygen etc naturally made into a being vs different elements
Interesting video, however do I prefer to keep the distinction between Intelligence (what we have) and Artificial Intelligence (what some of our machines currently have), not because we are biological and they are machines but rather because we are genuinely intelligent with capacity to understand, whereas AI is merely mimicking behaviour. I would also argue that AGI is a misnomer because I believe the only way it can become genuinely and competently intelligent in a general way is to first acquire the ability to understand, which may require consciousness to arise. At that point it isn't artificial intelligence any more, it's real intelligence, synthesised rather than evolved, but real all the same.
Perhaps with those definitions in place JMG's argument becomes; human intelligence was synthesised much like how we are currently attempting to synthesise it in machines. It's an intriguing thought, and I will continue to ponder it.
Excellent video however Pleistocene is pronounced ply-sto-seen
Absolutely brilliant video, one of the best yet in my opinion, I waffled on once either on this channel or another one that I've always described consciousness or intelligence as AI simply because science cannot explain what consciousness actually is, and as we apparently have no control over what body, family, age etc we are born in to I tend to think we have no control over our level of intelligence or consciousness, in other words it is ordained by "something" else or is perhaps just a natural product of the state of nature we happen to born in. Does any of this make sense? 🤔
"science cannot explain what consciousness actually is"
I think it is clear. Kinda clear, we just overcomplicate the topic. Unnecessarily.
a rock is not conscious. A Homo Sapiens is. Where do you draw the line? Art? Mourning? Empathy? Math? Self recognition in a mirror? If you draw the line, you will see that other animals have that skill, too. Complex brains are capable of complex stuff. Better brains give you a higher brain power. Beyond a certain level, you call that brain power consciousness . Our only really unique mental skill is empathy across space and time and even beyond reality. We can feel sad for victims in a fictional story and for real genocide victims in any century anywhere. That's it. No other animal comes close in this ability. And? Meanwhile, cheetahs discuss:
"what is sprinting? It be the gift of the spotg0d / unique awesomness of cheetakind, for only we can sprint like really crazy o.p. muddafukkaz"
They'd never call our best sprinters fast, and they would never call our sprints sprints. Cheetahs outsprint us, we outthink them.
And it may be so that extraterrestial civilizations may have lived in a more peaceful planet and star, so extinction events does not drive accumulation of intelligence. So in other planets intelligent lives may never be refined.
This is the next step. No wonder aliens aren't contacting us because they are AI. Why would they care about us? At most they wait for us to have died out like erectus so they can cooperate with the AI we have created. I accepted that fate.
The idea that homo sapiens was artificially evolved reminds me of that book series, the Uplift Saga, where it claims that in the 2-billion year history of the galaxy no creature ever evolved sapience on their own. They (the first species was assumed to be supernatural and mysterious) were all uplifted from a previous uplifted race.
Might be a pretty amusing plot twist.
This recursiveness has THEN WHO WAS PHONE energy and I love it lol
@@ItsAsparageese Funnily enough, that's a plot point in the last couple of books. Just WTF were the Progenitors, where did they go, what did they believe in, and why did the first uplifted species stray so far from their vision?
Great video, but I don't agree with your use of 'artificial'. To me that work means "deliberately manufactured" implying application of conscious (whatever that means) intent and planning.
very good video
don't forget the Sleestak with their crystal computers that control the orbits of the earth and the moon. and my chickens have me well trained to feed them regularly
Maybe this version of the cycle didn’t quite get the life potential of the last cycle and according to Sir Roger Penrose the universe goes through a cycle til it forgets time. Then after it remembers to remember time begins another cycle. Perhaps that cycle will evolve life in a more precise and fair manner.
Not to get too bogged down in the technicalities and semantics of it, but I wouldn't agree with this idea that the "ice age" is actually ended. Technically speaking, an ice age is the period of time where the planet's poles are covered in ice. The main difference is that there are cycles within the ice age of "glacial" and "interglacial" periods where the ice proceeds and recedes respectively.
Again, this could simply be argued as semantic, but there is a lot of data to support this terminology. I just happen to think that it's not entirely agreed upon due to the established narrative that humans have irreparably and rapidly altered the environment which has caused the polar ice caps to melt as the planet warms too quickly. Say what you will about me personally, but I don't know that I believe this to be the case. While I do think we have had some small contribution to all of this, I don't think people are seeing the bigger picture whereby the Earth is not in any extreme state outside of the data points we've gathered over the years regarding the climate.
My primary concern with the whole "fossil fuels" debate is actually that we are more likely to run ourselves out of that resource sooner without any means of replacement. That would cause billions of deaths across the globe if we cannot figure out a proper substitution or replacement for energy.
...but I was just very recently convinced JMG was NOT an AI 🤔 Really, this is one of the most provocative videos he's shared (per my perception), and ofc, they're almost all thought provoking.
💡Great video, as always, but your pronunciation of "Pleistocene" is incorrect.
Actually the usual "ply-sto-cene" pronunciation is incorrect. It derives from the ancient Greek πλεῖστος, Pleistos, in which the I would have been emphasized (not necessarily in modern Greek however. Lyell would have known that in his day, but after the scientists stopped speaking classical languages it drifted. Almost no scientific term derived from Ancient Greek or Roman or Ecclesiastical Latin is pronounced correctly today.
There's a worse one. Betelgeuse. Brian Cox keeps running around saying the correct pronunciation is something like Beetlegeeze, which is silly. It's a corruption of the Arabic Yad al-Jauza and has no hard G, but people are still running around correcting it as though it derives from something other than dialectic English in one small part of Great Britain. .
@@JohnMichaelGodier Interesting! I respect your defense of your pronunciation, and, as you are aware that PLY-stuh-seen is usual, my job as pronunciation Nazi is done.
I have always said BEETLE-juice.
Off topic, have you staked out a position on the FLA-sid versus FLAX-id controversy? I have abandoned the former for the latter.
I've always said fla-sid, but I'm told that either is correct. I have heard both though.
QUESTION: In this video, around 11:20, it was stated that the Earth had less oxygen in their day. Okay, then where did the rest of oxygen come from? Consider the following: (Deals with water and oxygen):
QUESTIONS:
1. Where did all the water on this Earth come from?
2. Where did all the oxygen on this Earth come from?
FOR HONEST SINCERE TRUTH SEEKERS: SEE THE FOLLOWING POSTS AFTER THIS POST:
1. My Google search concerning how water came to this Earth.
2. My current view of how at least most water came to this Earth.
3. My current view of how at least most oxygen came to this Earth.
4. My potential completion of the Periodic Table of the Elements, specifically chemical element #120 (8s2).
5. My solution.
GOOGLE SEARCH: (4/17/2023):
1. Where did all the water on Earth come from?
Multiple geochemical studies have concluded that asteroids are most likely the primary source of Earth's water. Carbonaceous chondrites-which are a subclass of the oldest meteorites in the Solar System-have isotopic levels most similar to ocean water.
2. How much water is on the Earth?
The volume of all water would be about 332.5 million cubic miles (mi3), or 1,386 million cubic kilometers (km3). A cubic mile of water equals more than 1.1 trillion gallons. A cubic kilometer of water equals about 264 billion gallons (1 trillion liters).
3. How many asteroids have ever reached Earth?
Based on crater formation rates determined from the Earth's closest celestial partner, the Moon, astrogeologists have determined that during the last 600 million years, the Earth has been struck by 60 objects of a diameter of 5 km (3 mi) or more.
4. How much water is in an average asteroid?
A cubic meter of asteroid dust may have as much as 20 liters of water.
5. What is 1,386 million cubic kilometers divided by 20 liters?
(1386 million (cubic kilometers)) / (20 liters) = 6.93 × 10 to the power of 19
6. That is a lot of asteroids with water in them. And what about all the other planets and their moons in our solar system that have water on them?
Evidence points to oceans on other planets and moons, even within our own solar system. But Earth is the only known planet (or moon) to have consistent, stable bodies of liquid water on its surface. In our solar system, Earth orbits around the sun in an area called the habitable zone.
7. Where did all the oxygen that makes up water on this Earth come from?
The answer is tiny organisms known as cyanobacteria, or blue-green algae. These microbes conduct photosynthesis: using sunshine, water and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates and, yes, oxygen.
* Note: Water and Carbon Dioxide already contain oxygen. Producing oxygen from oxygen. Yea, I don't think so Google. You didn't say how oxygen came to this Earth in the first place.
(Water: H2O ; Carbon Dioxide: CO2 , both already contain oxygen).
8. Where does oxygen in the universe come from?
Carbon and oxygen were not created in the Big Bang, but rather much later in stars. All of the carbon and oxygen in all living things are made in the nuclear fusion reactors that we call stars. The early stars are massive and short-lived. They consume their hydrogen, helium and lithium and produce heavier elements.
* Note: The singular big bang is most probably a fairy tale for various reasons.
9. Do stars periodically nova?
Among novae that are closest to Earth, the cloud of expanding debris can sometimes be seen in telescopes a few years after the explosion. A nova can flare up repeatedly although there is not a fixed interval between outbursts. Of the 200 billion stars in our galaxy, 30 to 50 explode as novae each year.
CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING: Ask yourself: Where does all the water on this Earth come from? While basic Hydrogen (1 single proton with 1 single electron) is the most abundant element in this universe, where exactly does all the oxygen come from to make all that water?
WATER ON EARTH: Consider the following: (copy and paste from my files):
When Earth's magnetic field gets weaker, especially during a strong solar storm:
Van Allen Belt (Higher electron area) [e]
V
Van Allen Belt (Higher proton area) [p]
V
Ozone layer (Higher oxygen area) [O3]
V
Rain / Mix / Snow / Ice (Depending upon temperature)
V
Surface of Earth (and us).
* Weaker Earth's magnetic field, especially during strong solar storms
* 'e' from outer area comes down lower to 'p' area making basic Hydrogen atom [H]
* Basic Hydrogen might connect with another Hydrogen in that area making a Hydrogen molecule [H2]
* Hydrogen molecule meets with ozone layer picking up an oxygen atom [H2 + O], [H2O]
* Depending upon temperature, rain, mix, snow or ice forms and falls to the surface of the Earth and on us.
"Noah, time to build another ark. Or in modern times, aircraft carriers, large cruise ships, basically floating cities."
Oh and also, electrolizing water (melted snow and ice even), possibly with 'green' energy (telluric, wind, solar, other electromagnetic radiation energy frequencies, etc.) to make Hydrogen and Oxygen (Water is basically a safe storage area of Hydrogen and Oxygen). (Hydrogen fuel cell technologies with a by-product of basically pure water. Or even burn the Hydrogen/Oxygen mixture to get heat, steam, etc., if needed.)
* And the Earth's magnetic field is currently projected to be at it's weakest around 2035.
OXYGEN: (copy and paste from my files):
a. Supposedly oxygen is generated in the core of stars, at temperatures around 100 million degrees 'C' through a process of fusion of lower elements.
b. The Sun is supposedly made up of mostly plasma (electrons disassociated from atoms).
c. Water on Earth of course is H2O (2 Hydrogen atoms and 1 Oxygen atom). Hydrogen is the most abundant element in this universe. There is a lot of water on this Earth. So,
1. How exactly did the oxygen from the center of stars get to this Earth?
2. And if oxygen can get from the center of stars to this Earth, where is all the oxygen on other planets and moons? (Of which they should have Hydrogen atoms on them, so where is all their water and oxygen molecules?)
d. And what about all the other oxygen atoms that make up other oxygen molecules on this Earth? They all had to have come from stars as well. How exactly did the Earth get flooded with so many oxygen atoms? Periodic novas of our Sun? (And nitrogen atoms and some other chemical elements in those novas too that reached this Earth?)
e. 'IF SO', then when is the next Sun's periodic nova? And what of 'life' on this Earth? 1 side of Earth blasted the other side away from the Sun okay? And what if we have species in outer space, on the Moon and/or Mars and the Sun novas?
Note the 2nd to last paragraph:
PERIODIC TABLE OF THE ELEMENTS: (copy and paste from my files):
Potential completion of the Periodic Table of the Elements:
I currently believe that there are 120 chemical elements in this universe. If a person were to look at how electrons fill up the shells in atoms: 2, 8, 18, 32, 32, 18, 8 (seven shells), and realizing that energy could freely flow in this universe if nothing stopped it from doing so, then a natural bell shaped curve might occur. An eighth energy shell might exist with a maximum of two elements in it, chemical element #119 (8s1) and chemical element #120 (8s2).
Chemical Element #119 (8s1):
#119 I put at the bottom of the Hydrogen group on the Periodic Table of the Elements. It only has one electron in it's outer shell with room for only one more electron. Energy might even enter the atom through the missing electron spot and then at least some of the energy might get trapped inside of the atom under the atom's outer shell.
Chemical Element #120 (8s2):
#120 I put at the bottom of the Helium group since it's outer shell is full of electrons. It might have some of the properties of group two, Beryllium group (Alkali Earth Metals group) since it has two electrons in it's outer shell; as well as some of the properties of the Helium group (Noble Gases group) since it's outer shell is full of electrons; and if you look at the step down deflection of the semi-metals and where #120 would be located on the chart, it's possible #120 might even have some semi-metal characteristics. #120 would be the heaviest element in this universe. I believe chemical element #120 could possibly be found inside the center of stars.
When a neutron split inside of this atom, it would give off one proton, one electron, neutrinos and energy. The proton and electron would be ejected outside of the atom since all their respective areas are full. One proton and one electron are basic hydrogen, of which the Sun is primarily made up of, and the Sun certainly gives off neutrinos and energy. And note, it's the neutron that split, not a proton. So even after the split, there are still 120 protons inside of the atom and the atom still exists as element #120. The star would last longer that way.
In addition, if the neutron that split triggered a chain reaction inside of the star, this could possibly be how stars nova, (even if only periodically).
If stars were looked at as if this theoretical idea were true, and found to even be somewhat true, then we might just have a better model of the universe to work with, even if it's not totally 100% true. And if it's all 100% true, then all the better. (Except of course for those who might be in the way of a periodic nova or supernova. They might have a no good, very bad, horrible day.)
Next Mass Extinction Event:
Submarines, with minimal 'crew', with huge food supplies. Only those who survive, survive, those who don't, don't. See you on the 'other side', NOT.
Please make a Spotify ❤
Very good video
Dinosaurs are still with us. My favourites are Hirundo Rustica and many K.F.C. kinds.
I'll toss another filter into the mix. There are microbes on earth, very old and effectively immortal that while alive appear all but inert. A metabolism that takes possibly centuries per reproductive event. What if that is normal? Interstellar travel could be no problem, but the time to evolve would be orders of magnitude greater and would large multicellular life even make sense?
I'm wondering if the Earth's Moon may have had an effect on the development of human technological intelligence. The Moon has been steadily receding from the Earth since it was formed 4.5 billion years ago, but only relatively recently has its apparent size been small enough compared to the Sun to allow for spectacular full eclipses with auroras to take place. Could the appearance of such impressive eclipses have influenced the development of religious, and then scientific, thought patterns in proto humans? Without which, proto humans would have still been intelligent but remained non-technological? By extension, could the Earth's history have been full of highly-intelligent species, which never became technological because they didn't have to rationalize complex things in nature like why the Moon had such eclipses with the Sun? Anyway, perhaps I'm sick of hearing anti-scientists argue that the Moon must be artificial, because it's too much of a coincidence that it's the same apparent size as the Sun. Perhaps it isn't a coincidence after all, just in the opposite way that anti-scientists imagine.
I was thinking about this the other day
ABCDEFGHIJK........
We all know this sequence (English)
It was drilled into us
...and this simple programming enables us to do so much more
In a sense immortalize our essence
(Your thoughts)
Isnt it werid?
We needed to do it, it was a necessity
But the fact we do it seems involuntary at this point
Idk...Maybe the dinosaurs had technology. Overuse of cell phones might explain how T-Rex's arms became so short.
Thank you
Dolphin intelligence rivals H. sapiens intelligence, maybe equal to H.erectus. That said, because they live in Water, they will never learn to tame fire, let alone electricity. They are another example of high intelligence but they will never be a space-traveling species.
Cybercene?
And isn’t it ply-stow-seen?
Or I wonder if something like the 'Wow Signal,' could have been an "intelligence test" - that we failed...
A previous JMG video did point to the possibility that had the WOW Signal lasted longer, it would have shown a spread of frequencies that referenced EVERY emission of hydrogen, meaning the ratios of the frequencies of its spectral lines as a Periodic Element. He said it could have been a "self-confirming signal," which kind of irritated folks in some of the Comments. :)
Some birds harvest fire to hunt for prey. I Don't know for how long, but does that mean there's a chance Hominids wasn't even First in harnessing fire?;)