Vintage Kyosho Ultima & 2019 Kyosho Ultima | A Comparison of Changes.
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- In this video I do a basic comparison of the original Kyosho Ultima and the new 2019 Kyosho Ultima and see what's changed.
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Another big difference are the new hexes in the back. Out with the old pressure fits, in with the cross-pin
Yes! I missed that. What a welcomed change they are. When the old one got stuck, really got stuck. Good call! 👍
Nice! This was one of my biggest gripes about the OG Kyosho cars. I also had them wear out, to where they wouldn't grip the shaft, and it would spin without transferring the force to the wheels.
Memories. I remember putting my Ultima together. Started out with the bone stock setup, rotary speed control, 05 motor. After I blew that up, I upgraded to a Twister stock motor, and Novak T-4 and added Thorp spur gear. It was unbeatable in my neighborhood😁
Great memories. They were great times back then. My first Ultima I built from all new bought parts from the hobby shop over a year or so. I just couldn't save the money to buy the kit, of course it ended up costing a lot more lol. I ran a JR esc and LeMans 240ST back then. I'm guessing your Ultima would have whooped it too 🤣. Fun times! 🙂👍
No way. I went through 3 240ST Motors before I went with the Twister. 240ST'S were hot stock motors back then and a lot of fun!
@@dogman_ Yeah the were pretty good for the price. I remembered, after the 240ST I ran a Yokomo Revolution motor, can't remember the wind but it went great. 👍
I've always wanted this when I was a young boy back in the early 90s,35 years later I just brought one, vintage,can't wait as soon as I get it, great video sir.
Congrats, that's awesome! There is a few I've waited that long to get, it's always been worth the wait. I know you're gonna be happy with the Ultima, they're an awesome buggy! 🙂👍
I also always wanted one (Optima too) end of 80s, I would love to buy one todays
Trop jolie. Je l'aime en rouge comme la mienne. Rouge et argent
Great videos! Am addicted to your content and straightforward reviews!
Thanks for the kind words. 🙂👍
You forgot the different coloured springs on the rear dampeners. Great video. Seeing old and new. Real treat.
Lol yeah I missed that, but I did say all the shocks are different so it's covered. 🤣. Would have been good to have both NIB to compare all the parts side by side. Hope you found some answers in the video. 👍
Very good comparison, it is true that at first glance we do not see a difference and yet as you have demonstrated there are many.
Thanks mate. Yes, they do look very much the same until we look closer. I actually missed a lot in this video. Still finding things now. 👍
@@RCHobbyShed 😊👍
Ahh the memories...
Very enjoyable video! Love the RC cars in the background. Beautiful collection.
Thanks! 🙂👍
This must be the Ultimate comparison 🙂 Well done, bro.
Haha thanks mate! 🙂👍
Great comparison. My brother had the original, this brings back memories! 😁👏👏👏
Thanks. Glad you liked the trip down memory lane. 🙂👍
You can buy fiberglass shock towers now. They were originally made by A & L but another company bought everything and is releasing them now on eBay.
Thanks Alfred. Wow, I remember the old A & L towers from back in the day. I didn't like the plastic towers on the re-release at first but after driving it I found they are very sturdy and take a beating. Thanks for the info mate! 🙂👍
Thanks for this video! Shopping for one and this was a big help.
No problemo! Glad you found the video helpful. The Ultima is a great car and fun to build, you'll love it. 👍
Thanks mate ,great comparison. I like them both, they look great.
Thanks mate. Yeah they're both great buggies. 👍
I was surprised how different the two are! I had an original many years ago it was fantastic!
The rere really is a new buggy kyosho did not just copy the original for sure! interesting vid👍
Thanks mate. Yeah, the new one is like a brand new car which resembles the old one. I think they're magicians at Kyosho!
Loved it, thanks! More Retro vs New please!
Thanks. Will try to do more comparisons in the future. 👍
Raced an original Ultima back in 88'. I was all alone in a sea of RC10'S. I made up for it by handing out photo copies (yep, photo copies, which shows how old I am) of an article in RC Car Action featuring Joel Johnson after he won the 2wd IFMAR Worlds. They then got me back 2 years later with copies of an article from RC Car Action featuring Masami Hirosaka, right after he won the 2wd 1989 Ifmar Worlds with an RC 10. And then he won damn near everything else in the next few years, using a stick radio! He didnt win every championship, but WAY more than anyone else. Masami (From Japan) racing for Team Associated instead of Kyosho was the same thing as Michael Schumacher (From Germany) racing for Ferrari instead of Mercedes. And both dominated! "Oh wait, what the hell was my point?" I guess it was Michael Schumacher and Masami were the best in the business, but Joel Johnson was awesome in 2wd too........For one year.
Good stuff! I never raced but at the time I had to have every part the racers were using if I could afford it. I remember the 87 worlds from magazines and just had to have an Ultima, of course now Joel Johnson was my idol, simply because of winning with an Ultima in (same as you) a sea of RC10's, which at the time were an unstoppable force. You're right about Masami being like Schumacher, both masters of their games. I remember seeing a picture of Masami with his cars and trophies, just wow!
Those shocks look good
They certainly do. As a kid in the early 80's it was the red alloy shocks on Kyosho buggies that first attracted me to Kyosho. I found them mesmerizing at the time. 🤣👍
Really like this buggy from way back the new version just more upgrades just add upgrades and batteries with charger 🙏🙏🙏🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲💪💪💪
Gotta love the Ultima! 🙂👍
😁👍 Nice video, I like how kyosho makes there re releases but makes them much better with improvements unlike tamiya that don't hardly make any improvements with theirs.
Thanks mate. Oh yeah I agree 100%. Kyosho knew a lot of people would be running brushless and took the steps needed to make the buggy support the extra power. They could have re-released it exactly how it was and would have been totally fine as it was a great buggy to begin with, but this shows Kyoshos commitment to quality. 👍
Great episode dude, nice!
Thanks mate! 👍
I have been looking into adding a couple retro style RCs to our collection.... I have no Kyosho or Tamiya anything ... thanks for the video....
Amy suggestions on a couple good kit options if you wanted a Kyosho and a Tamiya for just a bit of light use from time to time , and to display for conversation starters? Something not super expensive and hopefully still available (I kissed out on some of the ReReleases that I would've loved to have, but just got back into racing with my son in late 2017)... and hopefully something that would have decent performance and be fun to drive with like a cheap 13.5 or 17.5 brushless... no severe bashing, just some fun spirited driving...
Thanks again for the video
I think I'd go for either an Ultima or Optima for the Kyosho, or a Javelin. For the Tamiya, hmm they have so many lol. So maybe one of the Neo Fighter Buggies or something in the Thundershot series... Thundershot, Fire Dragon, Terra Scorcher or Thunder Dragon. Or even better, a Manta Ray or Top Force would be great. There's just so many choices out there, it can be tricky.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video! 👍
late to the game- waiting for the optima to restock- but going to get this one while they are around, I should go with a brush motor- I would tear the car up too quick- Nice breakdown, comparison, that green and blue ultima would love to have
Sorry for my slow reply. Awesome, the Ultima is a great buggy! Perfect buggy to buy while waiting for an Optima, collect them all! 😂. The 2019 Ultima handles brushless no problem if you wanted more grunt than brushed, the gears are MUCH better than the original Ultima. Thanks, I do love that green/blue Ultima 😍. 👍
Good comparison video!
Thanks mate. 🙂👍
iv'e been an rc junkie since 1984, but iv'e never had a kyosho! i just got an ultima rb7 for $219.99 from kyosho's website! i think i might want to build an ultima re-re first. i think this is going to be expensive LOL
Nice! I think that's a great price for the RB7. The rere Ultima is awesome, you'll love it...and oh yeah, it will get expensive! 😂
I like more the aluminum shock towers of the old one, maybe a possible upgrade on the new one?
I prefer the look of the alloy towers too, but after driving the re-release I've found the plastic ones to be more durable. The alloy ones uses to bend all the time on my original back in the day. I'm sure someone is doing alloy towers for the re-release however I've not seen any. There are carbon towers around though. 👍
The shox on the early one seem to be the same front and back.
Heh, I started off with a Tamiya Wild One, and if I recall, although it did have things that looked like dampers, but they really didn't work too well.
They are close in size, but the rears are slightly longer. I don't remember how much longer off the top of my head, only around 5-8mm.
That's right, the Wild One had oil dampers and yes, sadly they weren't that great. Great buggy for it's time though! 👍
@@RCHobbyShed Yep, it looked fantastic!
Nice video. Thanks for the comparison. Are your turnbuckles on the old ones original? Also the new shocks on the re-release are pushed down pretty far to keep the ground clearance. Are they too soft?
Thanks! Yes the original Ultima only have plastic non adjustable upper links. I have the shocks on the re-release adjusted that way because I ran in at a BMX track. Although the jumps weren't very big I was jumping it a lot. Also I wanted the ride height way up so I wasn't scratching up the chassis too much as the track surface is made or tiny sharp gravel. So to answer your question, no the shocks aren't too soft, I'd say they're just right for the buggy. 👍
Are the new ones still made in Japan? I was very pleasantly surprised to find that Yokomo kits still are, but nothing from any other manufacturers to the best of my knowledge.
Great question, got me wondering too! On the box is says made in Taiwan. I was hoping to see Japan, but I can say the quality of materials is top notch.
Are the number of teeth of the middle gear from the 1987 are the same as the 2019's ?
It's got Molded Balls 14:38
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Hey there...awesome video. Two questions...Do the gearbox holes on the chassis line up between new and vintage? I want to bolt a brand new full gear box to my Trinity Ultima Graphite chassis. Lastly, what brand of wide servo is that? Thanks. Look forward to more videos!
G'day! Thanks! I can confirm, yes the gearbox mounting holes are all in the same place. So the re-release gearbox will bolt onto the vintage chassis. The low profile servo in the re-release Ultima is a Futaba S9570SV. The servo in the original Ultima is an old JR NES 505. 👍
Is the rear camber on your re re wrong?
It's not set up as per the manual. I run quite a bit of negative camber for the surface I run on which is packed clay with fine gravel on top, it's almost like driving on ball bearings. Where I run it's also very open, so a lot of long, high speed cornering. The negative camber seems to help stop it spinning out when cornering at high speed. 👍
Curious as to if you can mount the new gearbox to the old vintage car?
Yes you can. The holes all line up nicely. 👍
i have originale 1986 , tire are dead, and aluminium plate bend when you touch something
Nice comparison. I actually prefer to a certain extent the original in regards to the proportion. I like the smaller shocks and wheels overall.
Thanks mate. I agree, I prefer the smaller shocks. That said, the new buggy is a lot more durable. I like the way Kyosho managed to make a brand new car but have it look like the original, at a glance at least. 👍
That roll cage looks handy for taking rolls?
It is quite handy. It really works very well.
My old ultima had a front anti role bar ?
Yes, I should have mentioned that! It was included in the kit but fitting was dependent on your running conditions. I actually never bought one for mine as the box art doesn't have it fitted. But good call, I should have mentioned it. The new Ultima doesn't have one at all. 👍
Would it be worth retro-fitting a vintage Ultima to upgraded gearing and electronics, or just buy new?
Good question. For a runner I'd just go for a new re-release as there's a lot of improvements throughout the car that make it much stronger than the original. 👍
@@RCHobbyShed thanks for the quick reply. The OG Ultima was gifted to me in my youth. It lasted a total of 2 hr when the gears stripped. I was so disappointed that I just shelved it. With sheltering in due to Covid, the RC bug struck me. Crazy that Kyosho just re-released an updated version just months ago. Heck of a coincidence.
The new kit seems to address all the short comings of the original.
@@sillly_nknm1599 No worries mate. Yeah I think I'd shelf the original or sell it and go for the re-release if you can afford to. The original was awesome at the time but the new version really is a giant leap forward. Check out my Ultima running video at the BMX track if you haven't already, you'll see they take a good beating. Stay safe mate! 👍
I got the original ultima and I wanna throw a brushless setup in it.I wonder if the diffs are gonna hold up.Lol maybe I’ll have to go brushed
I doubt the gears will last very long at all, lol. You could upgrade to the Option House hard final pinion, if you can find one. Also the diff could be upgraded to the Turbo Ultima/ Ultima Pro ball diff, which is also hard to find. A third option is to change the whole gearbox to a re-release Ultima gearbox as they bolt up the same as the original. Much easier to it run brushed, but there are options out there. 🙂👍
Hello, I have a friend with a vintage model with controller in fair condition asking 150$ US would this be a fair price?
Hi. I think that is a fair price if it is in good condition. 👍
@@RCHobbyShed Great, turns out He's including two more RC's a "Racing Panda" , and what He thinks is a "Grasshopper" for the same price with the controllers. I'm wondering if when I get the Ultima to the house and it needs parts replaced are the updated Ultima parts going to work for the vintage model or do you know of a good source for the vintage parts? Great video's I subbed!
@@chipsandsalsa2520 Awesome! Sounds like you're getting a good deal. Some of the re-release Ultima parts will work, some will work but may need slight modification. The new Ultima is really a brand new model but resembles the original, if you get what I mean. I get all my vintage parts from eBay. There is still a lot of vintage Ultima parts out there. Thanks for the sub mate, there will be more Ultima content on the channel for sure! 👍
@@RCHobbyShed Hello, well I'm just keeping the Ultima of the three I purchased and would like to know if I could sent you pics through Instagram and get your opinion on what way I should go with this buggy. I would like to update to Lipo power and a fresh motor. I also have what seem to be counter sunk screws on a vintage chassis and adjustable control arms that would make it a re re ? But all around other than those things looks vintage. Was looking at the Kyosho 82143 EP Starter Pack II and wanted your opinion if this would work. Just seems like updating it would be a good idea since I'm wanting to run it regularly. thx again for your response. Again THX for the Channel !
@@chipsandsalsa2520 G'day mate. Yeah you can send pics through IG, no probs. If you have a countersunk chassis and adjustable arms, it's could be a rere, but if it's a flat (FRP) chassis it's more likely an Ultima Pro XL. Also a great find! I think the EP starter pack will be ok with a LiPo as I'm pretty sure the ESC has a jumper to switch from NiMh to LiPo. 👍
You need to get a Super Hornet with your collection of Tamiyas .
I have one I restored on the channel.
The new one seems to have more camber or caster it looks in the rear.
The camber on the new one is adjustable, I'm running it a tad more negative. Also this was filmed on a GoPro, which kind of makes the camber look more negative than it is on some angles due to the fish eye lens.
New one seems to also have different front camber and caster.
Caster seems to be the same to me. The bulkheads look the same and there seems to be no caster adjustment on either. Camber on the new one is adjustable, I'm running it a tad more negative. Also this was filmed on a GoPro, which kind of makes the camber look more negative than it is on some angles.
How many four wheel drive buggies or trucks touring cars do you have?
I haven't counted. Simple answer is "lots". haha
New one also looks like it has different shocks all the way around.
Yup!
Are you going to get a DT 02 and a DT 03?
Maybe one day.
The Springs are different color on the new one.
They are. I did say all the shocks are different, I meant the springs too. 😉
Do you have a grasshopper and a hornet?
I have several.
Do you have a tomahawk?
Sure do!
The original has higher rib tires near in the new one has wider tires up front.
I believe I said the ribs are higher on the original. 🤣. Anyhoo, I've since measured the front tyres and they're actually the same size.
2019 model looks cheaply made
Quite the opposite, although the plastic shock towers make it look cheap. It's actually a far better buggy than the original. Gears are far stronger, slipper clutch added, better shocks, better hex adapters and so on. Even the shock towers (although plastic) are better as they don't bend. If you own an original, you won't be disappointed if you get a 2019 model. 👍