After riding Harleys for 12 years I wanted a better handling, more modern bike so bought a Thruxton R which was great bike. I changed it for a Ducati V4S which was awesome however I have ordered a TFC Rocket to replace this. For me it’s the combination Of looks, size, performance and comfort.
Best looking bike on that stand is the Speed Twin, I've had mine for about 2 months now, much lighter than my old T120, and handles beautifully, and looks the DB's! ...except, there ain't no luggage racks available, had to make my own, cheers for the upload, great vid as usual Stuart, cheers, Dave
Thank you for clarifying the name, my experience in the late seventies was that the name of "Rocket" belonged to the BSA model and the Triumph version was called the "Trident". I was a bit overwhelmed with these bikes given I was riding a 500cc BSA Royal Star...hahaha
Price is the key here Stuart,The speed twin looks tasty however,I said it before its personal choice as always,for me?if I had ten plus grand going spare?it's the Z900rs everytime.
Completely agree about the silly Bobber TFC: vintage brown leather next to carbon fibre, what were they thinking? I have a Rocket R on order, so I’m more positive about the purpose and market of this amazing muscle roadster. Lovin’ the Hull accent, as always😊
Great Video Stuart i know what you mean about the Bobber suspension our old friends at Hagon shocks have the answer its made a big difference to my Bobber Black along with the Motone customs bar risers 👍
Hi Stuart - I don't know about outside of UK, but Triumph here just need to look at what they've done to their dealer network to answer the question of falling bike sales.
I think the same about the Sprint Sports tourer. The Tiger really doesn't replace that to me. The Sprint looks oh so much better than the Adventure style Tiger to me.
@@karlosh9286 I had a Sprint 1050 GT and I agree they are a lovely bike. Unfortunately I couldn't take the slightly forward leaning position. I was getting massive pains in my neck and shoulder. Had to trade it in for my t120
My 3R is a muscle cruiser. I started with 1200 Vmax’s and moved to the 1700 Gen 2 Vmax. These are just big bikes that don’t feel small under me. When Triumph released this feat of engineering, the choice was easy. Next time you are near Windsor Stuart - you can take her out for a few hours. It’s not a bobber but it is an experience. With me it’s not about ego, it’s about buying brilliant engineering and about having something outside the scope of normal.
Enjoyed your video and review...interesting view points you have with regard to the Rocket..agree with what you say. Shame you didn't show more of the latest adventure and roadster bikes.
The Bud Ekins T100 really caught my eye until I learned it's the same old engine and brake set up from the previous T100, Street Twin and Street Scrambler. Why didn't Triumph use the newer engine and brakes, stickers and paint won't shift old tech?
Love the Triumph range and i have the 2016 Rocket 3 . Got good bags on it and comfy seat. The new one looks great, But i wouldnt want to tour on it, I am happy with what i have, But to be honest the Twin seem the working mans bike without to much money that can be kept in the shed and always be reliably there when you want it. I hope the bonnie stays around for a long time. Best all rounder out there i think.
I do love the macho boldness of the Rocket III but it is too heavy, too expensive. The idea of wrestling that mass around in my garage or trying to move it out of a parking space on uneven ground is daunting. I did own and love my 1998 Yamaha V-Max and did demo ride the new one twice at Daytona. If I had a spare $20,000 laying (lying?) around... I'm leaning toward the Speed Twin right now but my pocket book is more Royal Enfield. I was hoping Triumph would finally introduce an entry level single cylinder motorcycle in the 300cc to 500cc range. I'm enjoying accompanying you at the show. Best of luck
True, a weak pound would drive up import costs (getting the bikes back from Thailand) and then Triumph would pass that cost over to its customers in higher prices.
The Rocket is ridiculous, oversized, impractical and beautiful. If I won the lottery and money wasn't an issue, I'd definitely have one. I'd need to move house to have somewhere that I could store one. So it'd need to be a very big lottery win. Not sure of its niche other than "posing" , but what a machine ! This side of not winning the lottery I'm quite happy with my Speed Twin and Street Triple S, both have more power than I need. I wouldn't swap them for a Rocket.
On the section covering the new Rocket 3r - does it look to anyone else that the front wheel is offset to the left, when looking at it from the front???
The Rocket 3 was a decent enough seller, but for a small market and one that is willing to spend the money. Having worked on and ridden many i have to say they're shockingly good for such a massive bike, not just straight lines but overall handling was impressive even when the weight caught up with it. One thing also was no other "power cruiser" could match it in performance. The overall quality especially compared to Japanese cruisers was also very high, not just a collection of cheap chrome plated plastic that loses it's finish and breaks easily.
I've read RE is discontinuing its 500 cc models. Have you heard anything? I had hoped to buy a 2020 500 classic. And if they do suspend production, will it drive up or drive down 2019 models? Thanks
I've heard similar but I find it hard to believe they will shelve the bullet. However I do think they will have to bring out a new engine to meet emissions regs.
@@stuartfillingham disadvantages of hitting the bell icon 😁, what do you think of JAWA, you didn't tell. Big fan from India, I am shifted towards Interceptor, but the traffic in delhi sucks.
@@sujay14031995 as far as im aware Sujay they are not available in the UK so im afraid I cant comment on them. They were a firm favourite back in the 60s though!
When my arthritic right knee forced me to give up my 600cc Yamaha sport bike I purchased a used Triumph Thunderbird 1600. I had road tested the new, at that time, Harley Road King 103 and was totally turned off by the machine. My comment to the salesperson who asked what I thought, “It’s like driving a tractor. It’s agricultural.” He wasn’t happy. Fast forward and a friend was selling the T-Bird and it handles, stops and goes very well. Everywhere I go people look at it and say what a great looking bike it is, usually followed by “What kind of bike is it?” Here in the USA, Triumph suffers from a spotty dealer network and lack of promotion. The T-Bird and the Trophy SE were both very good, under rated and under promoted machines which were discontinued around the same time. It seems as though the marketing geniuses at Triumph have decided that the way to make money is to keep spitting out various models of the Bonneville, thereby reducing development costs and maximizing profit. Frankly I wouldn’t be buying stock in the company any time soon. The people in my age group who lusted after a Bonneville when we were young, who remember Bud Ekins, we’re aging out. We’re the generation that Harley depended upon to keep buying its bikes and guess what? We’re not buying what many companies are selling. I’m still in decent shape for a man my age but my next machine will be a middleweight. Either a standard like the Royal Enfield 650 or perhaps a Honda 500 or 650. Who knows? I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it. Unless Triumph can do a better job of product development. Expand and support its dealer network and learn the art of promotion, something the Japanese are experts at, here in the US it will join Aprilia and Moto Guzzi as niche brands supported by a cult of true believers.
I agree with you on TFC Bobber - the Bobber Black looks far superior and you could buy a new Royal Enfield with the change! Rocket 3 though... OMG what a machine. Niche - yes. Ego inflating - yes. Do I want one - yes!!! 😎🤘
Having owned 4 Triumphs I am a bit of a fan, thankfully all the ones I owned I loved looking at them in the garage which is a good part of the ownership experience. However, having seen the Rocket 3 in the flesh it did absolutely nothing for me. Not a bike I would get any pleasure from looking at in the garage. I'm sure it will ride great, but I wouldn't want one. Also jumping on it at the show the overriding thing that comes to mind is the sheer size and scale of this bike, as its bloody huge... I reckon by the time its full of liquids plus a tank of fuel it will be knocking towards 330kgs...
I do believe the Rocket 3 R and the GT will do very well being that out of all the TFC bikes, the Rocket sold out very fast. I think its going to do well here in the states. I agree with you on the Bobber. It just doesn't look correct for what it is. Honestly, the only TFC in my opinion that looked the tits is the Rocket. The Thruxton version doesn't fit for a cafe racer. My money still goes to Norton in that its the best bang for your buck out there. Unless you don't mind used bikes of equal value with lower miles. Wow that was long winded. Thanks Stuart. Great video.
The only triumph there I would be interested in is the Scrambler 1200. However, I'd rather have a Tenere 700 AND a Royal Enfield Himalayan for around the same price. Just need the Enfield now 😃. Come on triumph, sort your prices out before it's too late 👍
Triumph build their bikes in Thailand, the Thai Baht is at record levels against most other currencies and the Thai government have just announced a new tax hike on all bikes with a whopping 24% more tax on 1000cc bikes and above. Not good news for them I'm afraid.
Triumph’s whole line of bikes are beautiful but uninspiring. I’m bored at best. Having to spend so much money really takes the fun out of owning these things.
I think that when a bike needs computers for being rideable, there's something "sausage" about it. Anyway, it's a wellmade machine, it looks a bit Fisher Price in real flesh, to heavy and pricey. But much better looking than the old one. Trident would be the name, but Rocket sounds better! BSA were good at those names in the days.
Think the R3 is looking to nudge the Diavel piece of pie off the plate yet looks too sporty to appeal to the knuckle heads of America. I guessed that the sales of the 1200 scrambler would not rise to Triumphs expectation and this time my crystal ball tells me the R3 at its current price will gather a lot of dust in showrooms. Yet, my crystal ball is rather dusty as well so not going to bet against its success but think with so many models Triumph is now competing against itself. To me limited editions are always a clue to problems in house and are akin to plate spinners running back and forth trying to add renewed energy to maintain the momentum. Triumph is a house of cards waiting to fall...
That’s a very interesting point of view ! Subjective but never the less a realistic position. Will Triumph respond? Not to this conversation but to the wider argument you make. Time will tell. I have a great Triumph - a 2018 Speedmaster. It’s a really great and interesting bike but it’s not complete - too many rough edges - but it was only made to enable a pillion on a Bobber. It fails in that! So what is Triumph’s game? All their massive releases of new models do not make sense to me. How many R3’s will they sell? Off to NEC on Sunday - I hope I finally get the point with Triumph - but I doubt it! Yours aye, Alan
@@docgreen4934 The Triumph range has become a veritable Venn diagram of their part bin. They are in the game of producing Lego kits which means the consumer is basically buying a bill of materials put together by a product development team for the most part. Basically it has become too easy for them to permutate so they do, yet this is sowing confusion rather than providing clear segmented choice to the consumer. Maybe the model line up is about right but do they really need three variants of every thing? 3 Scrambler's 3 Bobber's, 3 Tigers, 3 Thruxton's.. Its goes on... Yet I can't have a Speed Twin with wire wheels coz its not a kit option and the puter says no!
The only place they get it right is in their naked sports range, the street and speed. The retro range is getting too fat, they need to pare the range back to the the T120, T100, Thruxton, Bobber and I must admit I do like the new Speed Twin..everything else can go. Just my opinion.
@@richardcollins586 I would set the speed twin as the new defacto T120 Bonneville and assign the current T100 & T120 with a TH prefix for heritage. Thruxton could be TT120, the Bobber TB120, the big scambler TS120. The street and street Scrambler could be T100 and TS100. The range does not need to be called modern classics either. The "Bonneville" range would be adequate and to me is a name that they under use at the moment. Other than that I would get rid of the low end Thruxton, the 1200 scrambler with big fork, consolidate the Bobber into one bike and kill the Speedmaster. They need maximum focus on the speed and street twin If they are not to lose out to Royal Enfield.
Couple of observations on the Bud Bonny's, tacky light grey grips and barend mirrors were out of place. Several of the "original bonny era" riders who I saw looking at them gave an instant discuss at the tacky overall design, including me! Got myself the Diamond edition at beginning of this year and no comparison to the special edition bikes this time round. Just my opinion but totally agree at lack of interest.
Please dont use that backing music again! It made me feel nauseous. Nearly earned you a dislike! The Rocket 3 is starting to get under my skin, the needs are few, but the wants are many. Thankfully the price tag means it will never be an option for me. I fear Triumphs star is on the wain, certainly on the modern classic side of the range. Royal Enfield are responsible for this to a large degree. 90% of the machine for almost half the price. If RE had a competitor for the Speedmaster in their range it would have been a very difficult decision for me. Having said that, I love my speedy more than any other bike that I've ever owned.
@@100bankerrob LOL well the title was something like "lust" which is why I chose it, but that does seem to have backfired a little as everyone seems to hate it!
As ever good video. Triumph (in my opinion have lost it. Over priced bikes sold in Audi type dealerships , with the bikes in a lot of cases not even made in the UK anymore. Thailand made Bonny anyone?
Gday mate well i have to say that out of all the triumph range including the earlier speedmasters and americas i find the bobber to be the most hideous bucket of bolts i have ever seen , i have never been a fan of them and never will be compared to the street twin, street cup, bonnevilles ect i cannot understand what was going through the minds of the triumph design team when they created this hideous machine ,if you want to ride around on something that looks like it belonged to you grandpas grandpa back in 1910 then good luck to you .
Yu know folks I'd like to say to manufacturers just make a bike affordable and fun ....stop doing themed machines...we just want to ride ...cheers stuart from dave
I like most Triumphs. If I had to pick one range where I'm not too keen it'd be the Tiger, but then that's because I'm not into big adventure types of bike, but then others are.
Too many Bonneville variants. Hideously overpriced TFC's that will NOT hold value over time (I've seen an MV Agusta F4 Senna -- a FAR more beautiful and rare bike, only 300 exist -- for sale at a price so low I couldn't believe it, I think they went for over $30K when introduced, all sold before the first left the factory). If they were showing footage from "The Great Escape" on that screen, then everyone should have been made aware of who Bud Ekins was!
Poor launch imo for Triumph hopefully the tiger 900 will be good. Some of the styling and paint schemes have been awful and made expensive bikes look cheap.
After riding Harleys for 12 years I wanted a better handling, more modern bike so bought a Thruxton R which was great bike. I changed it for a Ducati V4S which was awesome however I have ordered a TFC Rocket to replace this. For me it’s the combination Of looks, size, performance and comfort.
Excellent video again Stuart and that Norton scrambler at the end looked fantastic 😃👍🏻
I think you hit the nail on the head with regard to the bobber. I do like the Bud Ekins colours.
Best looking bike on that stand is the Speed Twin, I've had mine for about 2 months now, much lighter than my old T120, and handles beautifully, and looks the DB's! ...except, there ain't no luggage racks available, had to make my own, cheers for the upload, great vid as usual Stuart, cheers, Dave
Thank you for clarifying the name, my experience in the late seventies was that the name of "Rocket" belonged to the BSA model and the Triumph version was called the "Trident". I was a bit overwhelmed with these bikes given I was riding a 500cc BSA Royal Star...hahaha
Down to earth and humorous, thanks...
Price is the key here Stuart,The speed twin looks tasty however,I said it before its personal choice as always,for me?if I had ten plus grand going spare?it's the Z900rs everytime.
Completely agree about the silly Bobber TFC: vintage brown leather next to carbon fibre, what were they thinking? I have a Rocket R on order, so I’m more positive about the purpose and market of this amazing muscle roadster. Lovin’ the Hull accent, as always😊
Great Video Stuart i know what you mean about the Bobber suspension our old friends at Hagon shocks have the answer its made a big difference to my Bobber Black along with the Motone customs bar risers 👍
Hi Stuart - I don't know about outside of UK, but Triumph here just need to look at what they've done to their dealer network to answer the question of falling bike sales.
Exactly. I bought a 2017 1200 Explorer XCA from my local dealer and a few months later they stopped carrying Triumph.
I think they should never have discontinued the Trophy. There is a huge gap in the market for touring bikes.
I think the same about the Sprint Sports tourer. The Tiger really doesn't replace that to me. The Sprint looks oh so much better than the Adventure style Tiger to me.
@@karlosh9286 I had a Sprint 1050 GT and I agree they are a lovely bike. Unfortunately I couldn't take the slightly forward leaning position. I was getting massive pains in my neck and shoulder. Had to trade it in for my t120
My 3R is a muscle cruiser. I started with 1200 Vmax’s and moved to the 1700 Gen 2 Vmax. These are just big bikes that don’t feel small under me. When Triumph released this feat of engineering, the choice was easy. Next time you are near Windsor Stuart - you can take her out for a few hours. It’s not a bobber but it is an experience. With me it’s not about ego, it’s about buying brilliant engineering and about having something outside the scope of normal.
Enjoyed your video and review...interesting view points you have with regard to the Rocket..agree with what you say. Shame you didn't show more of the latest adventure and roadster bikes.
Nice video Stuart, bah gum that Rocket's a strange one!
Hope they do a similar update with the TBird Storm 1700.
The Bud Ekins T100 really caught my eye until I learned it's the same old engine and brake set up from the previous T100, Street Twin and Street Scrambler. Why didn't Triumph use the newer engine and brakes, stickers and paint won't shift old tech?
If I didn’t have the Tiger I’d have a Speed Twin any day. I also think the Rocket is a work of art just soooo much money.
Love the Triumph range and i have the 2016 Rocket 3 . Got good bags on it and comfy seat. The new one looks great, But i wouldnt want to tour on it, I am happy with what i have, But to be honest the Twin seem the working mans bike without to much money that can be kept in the shed and always be reliably there when you want it. I hope the bonnie stays around for a long time. Best all rounder out there i think.
Great video, not so sure about the backing music 🙉
Great video fantastic bike but at this moment in time will stick with my speed triple rs and speed twin 👍
Bud Ekins is on youtube. New Rocket may do OK
It really isn't my sort of bike at all but I'd have the Rocket 3R in a collection if I had the money and the space. An absolute brute. 👍
yes my thoughts exactly! a 20 bike garage and money to burn, it would definitely have to be in my collection!
I do love the macho boldness of the Rocket III but it is too heavy, too expensive. The idea of wrestling that mass around in my garage or trying to move it out of a parking space on uneven ground is daunting. I did own and love my 1998 Yamaha V-Max and did demo ride the new one twice at Daytona. If I had a spare $20,000 laying (lying?) around... I'm leaning toward the Speed Twin right now but my pocket book is more Royal Enfield. I was hoping Triumph would finally introduce an entry level single cylinder motorcycle in the 300cc to 500cc range. I'm enjoying accompanying you at the show. Best of luck
Yea, it is "I have the biggest dick" type of bike :-D
The pound dropped in value, how can that affect exports adversely?
Triumph normal bullshit me thinks
@@fasthracing How did you get that word past the You tube filters?
Its an art.
@@fasthracing capital i's maybe
True, a weak pound would drive up import costs (getting the bikes back from Thailand) and then Triumph would pass that cost over to its customers in higher prices.
The Rocket is ridiculous, oversized, impractical and beautiful. If I won the lottery and money wasn't an issue, I'd definitely have one. I'd need to move house to have somewhere that I could store one. So it'd need to be a very big lottery win. Not sure of its niche other than "posing" , but what a machine !
This side of not winning the lottery I'm quite happy with my Speed Twin and Street Triple S, both have more power than I need. I wouldn't swap them for a Rocket.
Love them Triumph's!...but not as much as a Gentleman's sausage measuring competition! 😄😆🤣
On the section covering the new Rocket 3r - does it look to anyone else that the front wheel is offset to the left, when looking at it from the front???
yes I noticed that myself whilst editing, it might just be a trick of the camera!
Rocket 3 needs a sidecar & a trailer & a short back & sides to the price
The Rocket 3 was a decent enough seller, but for a small market and one that is willing to spend the money. Having worked on and ridden many i have to say they're shockingly good for such a massive bike, not just straight lines but overall handling was impressive even when the weight caught up with it. One thing also was no other "power cruiser" could match it in performance. The overall quality especially compared to Japanese cruisers was also very high, not just a collection of cheap chrome plated plastic that loses it's finish and breaks easily.
Will the new Rocket have out of this Galaxy servicing costs?
Almost certainly ! Also the other half would send you into orbit when she finds out how much it cost. So it's aptly named .
I've read RE is discontinuing its 500 cc models. Have you heard anything? I had hoped to buy a 2020 500 classic. And if they do suspend production, will it drive up or drive down 2019 models? Thanks
I've heard similar but I find it hard to believe they will shelve the bullet. However I do think they will have to bring out a new engine to meet emissions regs.
@@stuartfillingham7011 thank you
Quality? Capped at 360p!
yes! give You tube time, it takes time to process to 4k!
@@stuartfillingham disadvantages of hitting the bell icon 😁, what do you think of JAWA, you didn't tell. Big fan from India, I am shifted towards Interceptor, but the traffic in delhi sucks.
@@sujay14031995 as far as im aware Sujay they are not available in the UK so im afraid I cant comment on them. They were a firm favourite back in the 60s though!
I think, Classic Legends ( Creators of new JAWAs), will launch BSA motorcycles especially for UK region
R3 your missing the point. I think it's a loss leader that raises the profile of the other also ran models.
The new rocket looks much better than the last one, compaired to the prices of Hardley Movin Sons its priced ok .
What a shame it will be to see the Rocket get barred.... we need something new in the states and I am a Trumpet fan from many decades ago.......
When my arthritic right knee forced me to give up my 600cc Yamaha sport bike I purchased a used Triumph Thunderbird 1600. I had road tested the new, at that time, Harley Road King 103 and was totally turned off by the machine. My comment to the salesperson who asked what I thought, “It’s like driving a tractor. It’s agricultural.” He wasn’t happy. Fast forward and a friend was selling the T-Bird and it handles, stops and goes very well. Everywhere I go people look at it and say what a great looking bike it is, usually followed by “What kind of bike is it?” Here in the USA, Triumph suffers from a spotty dealer network and lack of promotion. The T-Bird and the Trophy SE were both very good, under rated and under promoted machines which were discontinued around the same time. It seems as though the marketing geniuses at Triumph have decided that the way to make money is to keep spitting out various models of the Bonneville, thereby reducing development costs and maximizing profit. Frankly I wouldn’t be buying stock in the company any time soon. The people in my age group who lusted after a Bonneville when we were young, who remember Bud Ekins, we’re aging out. We’re the generation that Harley depended upon to keep buying its bikes and guess what? We’re not buying what many companies are selling. I’m still in decent shape for a man my age but my next machine will be a middleweight. Either a standard like the Royal Enfield 650 or perhaps a Honda 500 or 650. Who knows? I’ll cross that bridge when I get to it. Unless Triumph can do a better job of product development. Expand and support its dealer network and learn the art of promotion, something the Japanese are experts at, here in the US it will join Aprilia and Moto Guzzi as niche brands supported by a cult of true believers.
gwynn romano have you seen La Mans
Rocket size is hilarious :-D
I agree with you on TFC Bobber - the Bobber Black looks far superior and you could buy a new Royal Enfield with the change! Rocket 3 though... OMG what a machine. Niche - yes. Ego inflating - yes. Do I want one - yes!!! 😎🤘
Having owned 4 Triumphs I am a bit of a fan, thankfully all the ones I owned I loved looking at them in the garage which is a good part of the ownership experience. However, having seen the Rocket 3 in the flesh it did absolutely nothing for me. Not a bike I would get any pleasure from looking at in the garage. I'm sure it will ride great, but I wouldn't want one. Also jumping on it at the show the overriding thing that comes to mind is the sheer size and scale of this bike, as its bloody huge... I reckon by the time its full of liquids plus a tank of fuel it will be knocking towards 330kgs...
I do believe the Rocket 3 R and the GT will do very well being that out of all the TFC bikes, the Rocket sold out very fast. I think its going to do well here in the states.
I agree with you on the Bobber. It just doesn't look correct for what it is.
Honestly, the only TFC in my opinion that looked the tits is the Rocket. The Thruxton version doesn't fit for a cafe racer.
My money still goes to Norton in that its the best bang for your buck out there. Unless you don't mind used bikes of equal value with lower miles. Wow that was long winded. Thanks Stuart. Great video.
The only triumph there I would be interested in is the Scrambler 1200. However, I'd rather have a Tenere 700 AND a Royal Enfield Himalayan for around the same price. Just need the Enfield now 😃. Come on triumph, sort your prices out before it's too late 👍
If only Triumph made a 900cc Trident in the classic range.........man that would be fantastic
Triumph build their bikes in Thailand, the Thai Baht is at record levels against most other currencies and the Thai government have just announced a new tax hike on all bikes with a whopping 24% more tax on 1000cc bikes and above. Not good news for them I'm afraid.
Triumph’s whole line of bikes are beautiful but uninspiring. I’m bored at best. Having to spend so much money really takes the fun out of owning these things.
Look nice. Will be the museum pieces of the future. But not for me.
I think that when a bike needs computers for being rideable, there's something "sausage" about it. Anyway, it's a wellmade machine, it looks a bit Fisher Price in real flesh, to heavy and pricey. But much better looking than the old one. Trident would be the name, but Rocket sounds better! BSA were good at those names in the days.
the carbon fiber looks like a phone case
Think the R3 is looking to nudge the Diavel piece of pie off the plate yet looks too sporty to appeal to the knuckle heads of America. I guessed that the sales of the 1200 scrambler would not rise to Triumphs expectation and this time my crystal ball tells me the R3 at its current price will gather a lot of dust in showrooms. Yet, my crystal ball is rather dusty as well so not going to bet against its success but think with so many models Triumph is now competing against itself. To me limited editions are always a clue to problems in house and are akin to plate spinners running back and forth trying to add renewed energy to maintain the momentum. Triumph is a house of cards waiting to fall...
You took every word right out of my mouth there Paul! ive been expressing concerns over this for the past 18 months or so!
That’s a very interesting point of view ! Subjective but never the less a realistic position. Will Triumph respond? Not to this conversation but to the wider argument you make. Time will tell. I have a great Triumph - a 2018 Speedmaster. It’s a really great and interesting bike but it’s not complete - too many rough edges - but it was only made to enable a pillion on a Bobber. It fails in that! So what is Triumph’s game? All their massive releases of new models do not make sense to me. How many R3’s will they sell? Off to NEC on Sunday - I hope I finally get the point with Triumph - but I doubt it! Yours aye, Alan
@@docgreen4934 The Triumph range has become a veritable Venn diagram of their part bin. They are in the game of producing Lego kits which means the consumer is basically buying a bill of materials put together by a product development team for the most part. Basically it has become too easy for them to permutate so they do, yet this is sowing confusion rather than providing clear segmented choice to the consumer. Maybe the model line up is about right but do they really need three variants of every thing? 3 Scrambler's 3 Bobber's, 3 Tigers, 3 Thruxton's.. Its goes on... Yet I can't have a Speed Twin with wire wheels coz its not a kit option and the puter says no!
The only place they get it right is in their naked sports range, the street and speed. The retro range is getting too fat, they need to pare the range back to the the T120, T100, Thruxton, Bobber and I must admit I do like the new Speed Twin..everything else can go. Just my opinion.
@@richardcollins586 I would set the speed twin as the new defacto T120 Bonneville and assign the current T100 & T120 with a TH prefix for heritage. Thruxton could be TT120, the Bobber TB120, the big scambler TS120. The street and street Scrambler could be T100 and TS100. The range does not need to be called modern classics either. The "Bonneville" range would be adequate and to me is a name that they under use at the moment. Other than that I would get rid of the low end Thruxton, the 1200 scrambler with big fork, consolidate the Bobber into one bike and kill the Speedmaster. They need maximum focus on the speed and street twin If they are not to lose out to Royal Enfield.
I hope those oversized bikes don't make the skull cracking monster fart sound that the ridiculous Harley Davidsons do.
Couple of observations on the Bud Bonny's, tacky light grey grips and barend mirrors were out of place. Several of the "original bonny era" riders who I saw looking at them gave an instant discuss at the tacky overall design, including me! Got myself the Diamond edition at beginning of this year and no comparison to the special edition bikes this time round. Just my opinion but totally agree at lack of interest.
Sterling has lost about 25% of its value over the last 5 years or so. Therefore Triumph should be able to sell at bargain basement prices abroad?
Love the 1970's porn soundtrack
Please dont use that backing music again! It made me feel nauseous. Nearly earned you a dislike! The Rocket 3 is starting to get under my skin, the needs are few, but the wants are many. Thankfully the price tag means it will never be an option for me. I fear Triumphs star is on the wain, certainly on the modern classic side of the range. Royal Enfield are responsible for this to a large degree. 90% of the machine for almost half the price. If RE had a competitor for the Speedmaster in their range it would have been a very difficult decision for me. Having said that, I love my speedy more than any other bike that I've ever owned.
have a heart Paul! there is only so much copyright free music around!
@@stuartfillingham 👍 on the music. An earlier post likened it to a 70 porn movie. I'm good with that.
@@100bankerrob LOL well the title was something like "lust" which is why I chose it, but that does seem to have backfired a little as everyone seems to hate it!
As ever good video. Triumph (in my opinion have lost it. Over priced bikes sold in Audi type dealerships , with the bikes in a lot of cases not even made in the UK anymore. Thailand made Bonny anyone?
A lot of better bikes out there for the same money some even lessmoney
Gday mate well i have to say that out of all the triumph range including the earlier speedmasters and americas i find the bobber to be the most hideous bucket of bolts i have ever seen , i have never been a fan of them and never will be compared to the street twin, street cup, bonnevilles ect i cannot understand what was going through the minds of the triumph design team when they created this hideous machine ,if you want to ride around on something that looks like it belonged to you grandpas grandpa back in 1910 then good luck to you .
The rocket 3 not my cup of tea, too expensive and too big, gentleman’s sausage measuring made me chuckle, but not so sure about the music
Yes, very odd sleazy 70's music😉
Yu know folks I'd like to say to manufacturers just make a bike affordable and fun ....stop doing themed machines...we just want to ride ...cheers stuart from dave
Rocket is more "Hot Wheels" for the lottery winners not a serious machine.
There isn't a new triumph that I don't like the look of ,
I like most Triumphs. If I had to pick one range where I'm not too keen it'd be the Tiger, but then that's because I'm not into big adventure types of bike, but then others are.
Too many Bonneville variants. Hideously overpriced TFC's that will NOT hold value over time (I've seen an MV Agusta F4 Senna -- a FAR more beautiful and rare bike, only 300 exist -- for sale at a price so low I couldn't believe it, I think they went for over $30K when introduced, all sold before the first left the factory). If they were showing footage from "The Great Escape" on that screen, then everyone should have been made aware of who Bud Ekins was!
Poor launch imo for Triumph hopefully the tiger 900 will be good. Some of the styling and paint schemes have been awful and made expensive bikes look cheap.