I needed this and the iRating video. Between bad luck and making changes to my monitor, FOV and sitting height, I am struggling and this week my iRating is dropping like a rock 😔
@@kneebon5 the dirt track and Bristol dirt videos were great too. I would say a similar video on irating would be cool. Also since you have a good following, a video on the tire model, weaving under caution, etc so maybe some people will let it go
I’m 2 months into Iracing so there could be something I am missing. The reason I do worry about safety rating and found myself grinding from D to C was to advance and hopefully see way more clean racing. I don’t know if this is true yet , but the example I’ll give is last weeks ARCA Menard series at Bristol. The racing is so bad because no one practices. They just enter the race and who cares who they wreck. Street Stock was pretty bad as well. So my strategy has been to grind out to a C class with hopes of the series that open up for me I find cleaner racing. I don’t know if this is the case yet. Will know over the next week. Thankfully I got a suggestion from Reddit to give late model a try. The racing there was clean enough to advance my license. Great content man! Keep up the good work.
I see this is an old video and I really appreciate you as well as your explanation! I'm at a wall with Iracing because I love it, and have fun (especially in the official races), I enjoy having a track to race all week on the hour, when I can. Hosted seem to be a complete crap shoot as I don't know or talk to many people on there to join some good private race lobby's that aren't careless wreck fests. I'm a clean calm racer with a 2900 IR (I know, not crazy good). But what kills me is I keep getting involved with wrecks where someone gets loose infront of me with no where to go, door slammed in or out of a corner. Typically just minding my own business and WHAM! kind of wrecks. Am I never at fault, no of course I make mistakes. However it kills me that consistently being in the wrong place at the wrong time will and can lose my opportunity to race the A series races.. I can't fathom that, because it's not that I'm not "good enough" or not "deserving" to race A. And it has now made me feel as though I have to sit in the back, driving around never being aggressive or wanting to truly race just so I can still stay in the A class! It's a dumb mindset I suppose but perhaps I should just accept hard racing can demote me and just keep at being aggressive?!
Why not just race hard and be safe, why overthink everything, I just love racing, I got my B oval license and I've been racing for 3 weeks, oval irating is at 1545, I don't know if that's bad, but I don't care at this moment, I'm still learning
it's similar to how a handicap works in golf. you're taking the most recent identified sample that, through whatever calculation, gives you a resultant. as you race through corners (or a round in golf) the oldest drops off and is replaced for the newest calculation.
Hello. I am new to iRacing. I really, really liked your safety rating and iRating videos! Those are the only two I discovered so far but they all look great. Turns out I am a retired math teacher. Do you have the actual mathematical expression/equation for safety rating? And how it rolls in/rolls out corners and incidents - to exactly calculate the 1.0 to 4.99 ratings? Yes, you describe safety rating perfectly, absolutely perfect - but I want the actual equation. It may be a complicated one with inequalities, absolute values and exponential expressions. Thank You. Oh, and the very same question for iRating? That one may be way more complicated than the one for safety rating? Thank You.
Good explanation. I just joined iRacing a couple of days ago (used you as a referral). I was driving the MX5 around to get a feel for it and was struggling with the setup or so I thought. I discovered on the forums a thread about wheel setup using info from the wheel check utility. It is amazing how big a difference that change made. It was not so much the car setup as the lack of feedback to my input. I think that would make a great topic. I also am a bit confused about the way you can customize the view in the cockpit. I assume these are addons as I do not see any options for adding some of the gauges that you utilize.
@@kneebon5 Which of course, leads to the next question: Tell us about your throttle trace and where to get it. Or, make a short vid if it's more involved than just "link here".
I honestly care more for my irating than sr, it might be stupid but I would rather be in a really good comp lobby than be in a really low lobby with a high safety rating. Thanks for this video btw now it all makes sense and I understand how it works now.
I agree; however, this summer with the mass membership increase certain (asphalt oval) series are a wreckfest no matter the split. I've heard grumblings about road course series being the same. In fact; street stock specifically, I have gone to check results after my 3rd or lower split race finish only to find a blank page...they are still running meaning cautions, cautions. Later; when results are posted, many times the top 2 splits have horrible numbers of cautions vs lower splits. I'm pretty fresh; Nov will be one year, and I have seen it all. "Some" of the better races I have been in have been single split with massive iRating differences...5000+ down to sub 1000's. Not sure why...but I have been there several times. Some of the worst have been really tight splits; all drivers within a few hundred iRating which is exactly what the irating is designed to do.
@@StudioDaVeed yeah, earlier today i was in a split in C class trucks with 1000s differences but it was only bc it was pretty early and I believe only enough people registered to fill 1 grid bc i checked and we only had 1 split. I have noticed that the open setup races are a lot better when it comes to being a wreckfest, its 2x as long as fixed and people are just a little smarter because it is so long and they do it daily, I never run open except for last night when i accidently stumbled into one...
How about explaining, damage. How to tell how much your car has after an incident? Do optional repairs fix the car back to the way it was if you do them during pit stops, what determines if your engine blows etc. Confusing??
You know as much as anyone sadly. We have been asking for more info on it for years. You know everything i know on it. Which is nothing. Anytime you have a red light on the dash there is a chance it could blow. The amount of time it is red doesn't matter.
Great explanation! I've been racing for around 5 months and just got my A class license. Im up to 5 wins now (not many) but it's been an exciting ride!
@kneebon5 that's a bummer, it would be interesting to see where you are in the time-line. I'm curious how bouncing between licenses effects it also. I race a lot of D and C mod races simultaneously.
On a iracing dirt page on Facebook someone posted your video of that weedsport world of outlaw sprint race and said watch this hideousness. Lol that race was a disgrace by all those boneheads. But thanks for this video. Very informative.
Maybe you said this and I don’t understand. I can race at the same oval track, with all the different series, and have zero incidents and finish in the same position and I always get more SR with street stocks.
Cant even compare your races. You may have bumped off more incidents in one compared to another. Car or even series license has nothing to do with SR. Its all about laps x corner. So if the street stock runs 70 laps at thompson that is 140 corners, but if the sk only runs 50 that will only be 100 corners. So if you ran clean in each of those you would add more clean corners with the street stock.
Thank you. I’ve my entire iracing career worried about sr. Mostly because I actually want to race A fixed. Right now at B2.0(1.76) and had a ir of 1k . Lately I’ve tried not worrying about sr I don’t know what my sr was before 2.50 I think. and I’m at 1400 ir now. But I really want to race A cars bad. Do you have any advice ? Farm the damn sr and race with A license and keep it (farm it) at the end of every season ?
farming SR is only going to set you up for failure, if you can't get B 4.00 by just racing, you will easily lose your A license. If you are running short races you have to have lots of clean races. Getting 8 incidents a race on a short race every time won't help you. Start running longer races, but farming is not the way to go if you can't get it there without it.
kneebon5 so to race what I want (A fixed) i just need to be a better driver is what you essentially are saying right? That I am trying hopefully it works out. I'm on vrs and I def feel it's helped. Last week I won 6 races. Before that I had 2 wins since 18' and it's much more fun to race now. Thanks mate! I love your content. Keep on trucking
It seems to change every year and based on what category. It used to be SR combined with iR 10 years ago, then it was top 100, now you have to finish top 20 in pro qualifying
This is the first of the new format, the others i am going to delete. Will be putting more of these out over the next few weeks and will create a playlist
The issue I have with safety ratings is how easy it is to boost it by running time trials. Knowing you can hop into a car and spend 30 minutes running without nobody out there just to boost your safety rating teaches you nothing. Don’t get me wrong I understand why iRacing has that option. You can use it to move up in license class faster and spend money on new cars and tracks but in the end you don’t learn squat. I fell for this and ended up realizing I made a mistake. I wasn’t ready for those higher level cars and it’s taken me time to now get to where I feel I should be at this stage of the game. Safety ratings should only count in qualifying and races. Get rid of the time trial bit and it’ll force people to learn how to race to get to where they want to be.
It really isn't, and its no different than driving behind the field and not racing anyone, which is even easier because you get full lap counts instead of 33%. TT has never been a way bad people advance, way too much work and laps to do it once you get to higher levels.
For as much emphasis is put on SR by iRacing; it is completely disingenuous the gain and loss of SR is all but ignored anywhere in the Code. Especially the Rate at which SR is gained and lost as you progress up the license ladder. Again, THEY base EVERYTHING as far as license on this metric and they keep important details a 'secret'....smh.... I've got and lost my A license three times for oval asphalt. Since the Cup car is not a huge need for me to run, I am fine with a B license.
Keeping it vague is better, really they should hide the places after the decimal. Everyone should just see a 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 so they stop worrying about minimal changes after each race.
I've been trying to figure this out for a while but I found only vague explanations, so far. Yours is super clear and very easy to follow. Thank you!
I could listen to this guy talk til I fell asleep. These are my favorite vids of his & he does so well with his graphs
This video is too good. Man, this should have more views. Keep the good work man, please.
Two years later and still relative.
Thankyou.
I needed this and the iRating video. Between bad luck and making changes to my monitor, FOV and sitting height, I am struggling and this week my iRating is dropping like a rock 😔
It's always fun when you see a huge bump for no obvious reason and then remember the horrible week you had a few weeks back.
This is a great video. Really enjoying these videos you are doing!!! I am sharing them to my streaming page as well.
Thanks!
@@kneebon5 the dirt track and Bristol dirt videos were great too.
I would say a similar video on irating would be cool.
Also since you have a good following, a video on the tire model, weaving under caution, etc so maybe some people will let it go
I’m 2 months into Iracing so there could be something I am missing. The reason I do worry about safety rating and found myself grinding from D to C was to advance and hopefully see way more clean racing. I don’t know if this is true yet , but the example I’ll give is last weeks ARCA Menard series at Bristol. The racing is so bad because no one practices. They just enter the race and who cares who they wreck. Street Stock was pretty bad as well. So my strategy has been to grind out to a C class with hopes of the series that open up for me I find cleaner racing. I don’t know if this is the case yet. Will know over the next week. Thankfully I got a suggestion from Reddit to give late model a try. The racing there was clean enough to advance my license. Great content man! Keep up the good work.
I don't race Class C fixed cause the racing is worse than ARCA, half the race is under yellow, I rather be dodging wrecks than pacing at 55
kneebon5 gotcha. I didn’t realize cautions are on.
I see this is an old video and I really appreciate you as well as your explanation!
I'm at a wall with Iracing because I love it, and have fun (especially in the official races), I enjoy having a track to race all week on the hour, when I can. Hosted seem to be a complete crap shoot as I don't know or talk to many people on there to join some good private race lobby's that aren't careless wreck fests.
I'm a clean calm racer with a 2900 IR (I know, not crazy good). But what kills me is I keep getting involved with wrecks where someone gets loose infront of me with no where to go, door slammed in or out of a corner. Typically just minding my own business and WHAM! kind of wrecks. Am I never at fault, no of course I make mistakes.
However it kills me that consistently being in the wrong place at the wrong time will and can lose my opportunity to race the A series races.. I can't fathom that, because it's not that I'm not "good enough" or not "deserving" to race A. And it has now made me feel as though I have to sit in the back, driving around never being aggressive or wanting to truly race just so I can still stay in the A class! It's a dumb mindset I suppose but perhaps I should just accept hard racing can demote me and just keep at being aggressive?!
Just race, if you are wrecking more than you see what I do, then you may need to rethink your approach.
So dilute your wrecks with as many clean laps as humanly possible. got it
Why not just race hard and be safe, why overthink everything, I just love racing, I got my B oval license and I've been racing for 3 weeks, oval irating is at 1545, I don't know if that's bad, but I don't care at this moment, I'm still learning
it's similar to how a handicap works in golf. you're taking the most recent identified sample that, through whatever calculation, gives you a resultant. as you race through corners (or a round in golf) the oldest drops off and is replaced for the newest calculation.
going through and watching this stuff helps, i wanna start racing in leagues so this helps!
Hello. I am new to iRacing. I really, really liked your safety rating and iRating videos! Those are the only two I discovered so far but they all look great. Turns out I am a retired math teacher. Do you have the actual mathematical expression/equation for safety rating? And how it rolls in/rolls out corners and incidents - to exactly calculate the 1.0 to 4.99 ratings? Yes, you describe safety rating perfectly, absolutely perfect - but I want the actual equation. It may be a complicated one with inequalities, absolute values and exponential expressions. Thank You.
Oh, and the very same question for iRating? That one may be way more complicated than the one for safety rating? Thank You.
Good explanation. I just joined iRacing a couple of days ago (used you as a referral). I was driving the MX5 around to get a feel for it and was struggling with the setup or so I thought. I discovered on the forums a thread about wheel setup using info from the wheel check utility. It is amazing how big a difference that change made. It was not so much the car setup as the lack of feedback to my input. I think that would make a great topic. I also am a bit confused about the way you can customize the view in the cockpit. I assume these are addons as I do not see any options for adding some of the gauges that you utilize.
Only thing not on iracing is the throttle trace. Everything else is an iracing option.
Check your FOV also when you're doing initial setup. Search "FOV calculator"
@@kneebon5 Which of course, leads to the next question: Tell us about your throttle trace and where to get it. Or, make a short vid if it's more involved than just "link here".
Link is in the description. Free easy to use app, RaceLabs App
I honestly care more for my irating than sr, it might be stupid but I would rather be in a really good comp lobby than be in a really low lobby with a high safety rating. Thanks for this video btw now it all makes sense and I understand how it works now.
I agree; however, this summer with the mass membership increase certain (asphalt oval) series are a wreckfest no matter the split.
I've heard grumblings about road course series being the same.
In fact; street stock specifically, I have gone to check results after my 3rd or lower split race finish only to find a blank page...they are still running meaning cautions, cautions.
Later; when results are posted, many times the top 2 splits have horrible numbers of cautions vs lower splits.
I'm pretty fresh; Nov will be one year, and I have seen it all.
"Some" of the better races I have been in have been single split with massive iRating differences...5000+ down to sub 1000's.
Not sure why...but I have been there several times.
Some of the worst have been really tight splits; all drivers within a few hundred iRating which is exactly what the irating is designed to do.
@@StudioDaVeed yeah, earlier today i was in a split in C class trucks with 1000s differences but it was only bc it was pretty early and I believe only enough people registered to fill 1 grid bc i checked and we only had 1 split. I have noticed that the open setup races are a lot better when it comes to being a wreckfest, its 2x as long as fixed and people are just a little smarter because it is so long and they do it daily, I never run open except for last night when i accidently stumbled into one...
@@palmerstubbs4067
Yep,
I wish the SK had a longer caution series; the enduro is usually a wreckfest.
Make it a B series too.
This has been my experience over the summer. Tight splits are a much worse shit show.
@@davepleus7945
And for a low level IR guy like me...a higher mixed split nets more IR and points.
Thanks for your explanation videos, they have been very informative for me. 😁
I’m starting to worry about my Irating more...I’ve went from a 600 (from chilling in the rear to avoid everything) and now I’m at a 1600
Nice, just dont get too wrapped up in looking at it. Some weeks you will drop 500 and others you will gain 500
I just joined I racing a few months ago and I'm holding a irating around 2000 on oval but can't get my sr to go any higher than a 3.8. Good video
How about explaining, damage. How to tell how much your car has after an incident? Do optional repairs fix the car back to the way it was if you do them during pit stops, what determines if your engine blows etc. Confusing??
You know as much as anyone sadly. We have been asking for more info on it for years. You know everything i know on it. Which is nothing. Anytime you have a red light on the dash there is a chance it could blow. The amount of time it is red doesn't matter.
@@kneebon5 Ok, thanks man
Great explanation! I've been racing for around 5 months and just got my A class license. Im up to 5 wins now (not many) but it's been an exciting ride!
Is there anywhere to see our CPI time-line?
Not that i know of
@kneebon5 that's a bummer, it would be interesting to see where you are in the time-line. I'm curious how bouncing between licenses effects it also. I race a lot of D and C mod races simultaneously.
@@perrydavenport7509 what class the series is doesn't change anything. Only matter about corners you do and what your license is.
@@kneebon5 awesome, thanks!
On a iracing dirt page on Facebook someone posted your video of that weedsport world of outlaw sprint race and said watch this hideousness. Lol that race was a disgrace by all those boneheads. But thanks for this video. Very informative.
Maybe you said this and I don’t understand. I can race at the same oval track, with all the different series, and have zero incidents and finish in the same position and I always get more SR with street stocks.
Cant even compare your races. You may have bumped off more incidents in one compared to another. Car or even series license has nothing to do with SR. Its all about laps x corner. So if the street stock runs 70 laps at thompson that is 140 corners, but if the sk only runs 50 that will only be 100 corners. So if you ran clean in each of those you would add more clean corners with the street stock.
Thank you
Forum sticky! Lol great job on the explanation
Thank you. I’ve my entire iracing career worried about sr. Mostly because I actually want to race A fixed. Right now at B2.0(1.76) and had a ir of 1k . Lately I’ve tried not worrying about sr I don’t know what my sr was before 2.50 I think. and I’m at 1400 ir now. But I really want to race A cars bad. Do you have any advice ? Farm the damn sr and race with A license and keep it (farm it) at the end of every season ?
Ps. I race mostly short track like late model. But I race mostly during daytime so most of the time 1 or 2 splits so surprisingly low inc per race .
farming SR is only going to set you up for failure, if you can't get B 4.00 by just racing, you will easily lose your A license. If you are running short races you have to have lots of clean races. Getting 8 incidents a race on a short race every time won't help you. Start running longer races, but farming is not the way to go if you can't get it there without it.
kneebon5 so to race what I want (A fixed) i just need to be a better driver is what you essentially are saying right? That I am trying hopefully it works out. I'm on vrs and I def feel it's helped. Last week I won 6 races. Before that I had 2 wins since 18' and it's much more fun to race now. Thanks mate! I love your content. Keep on trucking
kneebon5 and long races like C trucks or xfinity?
How do you qualify for a pro license?
It seems to change every year and based on what category. It used to be SR combined with iR 10 years ago, then it was top 100, now you have to finish top 20 in pro qualifying
Is there a playlist for other "Understanding" videos youve done?
This is the first of the new format, the others i am going to delete. Will be putting more of these out over the next few weeks and will create a playlist
The issue I have with safety ratings is how easy it is to boost it by running time trials. Knowing you can hop into a car and spend 30 minutes running without nobody out there just to boost your safety rating teaches you nothing. Don’t get me wrong I understand why iRacing has that option. You can use it to move up in license class faster and spend money on new cars and tracks but in the end you don’t learn squat. I fell for this and ended up realizing I made a mistake. I wasn’t ready for those higher level cars and it’s taken me time to now get to where I feel I should be at this stage of the game. Safety ratings should only count in qualifying and races. Get rid of the time trial bit and it’ll force people to learn how to race to get to where they want to be.
It really isn't, and its no different than driving behind the field and not racing anyone, which is even easier because you get full lap counts instead of 33%. TT has never been a way bad people advance, way too much work and laps to do it once you get to higher levels.
For as much emphasis is put on SR by iRacing; it is completely disingenuous the gain and loss of SR is all but ignored anywhere in the Code.
Especially the Rate at which SR is gained and lost as you progress up the license ladder.
Again, THEY base EVERYTHING as far as license on this metric and they keep important details a 'secret'....smh....
I've got and lost my A license three times for oval asphalt.
Since the Cup car is not a huge need for me to run, I am fine with a B license.
Keeping it vague is better, really they should hide the places after the decimal. Everyone should just see a 0, 1, 2, 3, or 4 so they stop worrying about minimal changes after each race.
@@kneebon5
That is a good idea.