BMW 6-SERIES IN 2023 - BARGAIN OR DISASTER?
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2023
- It's been 3 years since I last updated my buyers guide on the 2007 BMW 6-Series E64/E63 650i. What has happened during those three years, have all the detractors been right about it? What about that N62 Engine? Billowing smoke and spurting oil everywhere?
This video is a no punches-held appraisal of the last 3 years of ownership from 2020 to 2023. Do you still fancy buying one - make sure you watch this first!
Buyers Guide 1: • Is it mad to buy a BMW...
Buyers Guide 2: • BMW 650i - BUY ONE NOW...
BMW 650i - How To Buy A Good One: • BMW 6 Series HOW TO BU...
Wiper Mechanism Replacement: • BMW WIPER LINKAGE repl...
Washer problems: • BMW 6-SERIES WINDSHIEL...
Headlight Full of Water: • BMW 6 Series HOW TO FI...
Soft Top quick fix: • BMW E64 SOFT-TOP STUCK...
Top Hose Replacement: • BMW N62 BROWN TOP HOSE...
Radiator Bleed-Line Replacement: • BMW N62 DON'T IGNORE T...
Wiper Judder Fix: • WIPER JUDDER? FIX IN 5...
Soft Top Diagnostics: • BMW SOFT TOP PROBLEMS ...
Headlight Module Replacement: • BMW 6-SERIES HEADLIGHT...
Headlight Igniter and Bulb Replacement: • BMW 6-SERIES XENON + I... - Авто та транспорт
The world needs more of real people with a brain talking honestly about their car. ty mate
Very kind of you!
Hi Timm this is Alvin your number one fan. I still have my 05, 645ci with 42,000 miles. Thanks to you and your videos, all is well with my car. I just got back from Jamaica 🇯🇲, doing my missionary work. I told you about.
Please keep making videos 😊 blessings.
ALVIN, you're back! Great to hear from you my friend and keep up the good work!
You’re amazing Timm! Thanks so much for making owning one of these less worrisome and a joy to own
My pleasure as always!
Hey Timm - I LOVE your videos and your love for the BMW brand! In SEP 2023 I purchased my 11th BMW in my career - a 2014 BMW 650 Gran Coupe. WOW what a road rocket and high quality BMW. It is exceeding all of my expectations. I'm taking care of it inside and out based on your excellent advice on keeping our BMWs like NEW. Keep up the good work.
That is awesome!
thank you! I have a 650i E63 and my favorite part of life is driving it. I watch your videos to make sure I keep up with my car so it can last me a long time. 🙏🏿
Great video as always Tim, picked my E63 650i up in Nov last year, hardly driven it but always wanted one. No valve stem problems, a few cosmetic issues but everything else is absolutely spot on. Drives like a dream when it actually comes out! Your videos have helped ten fold so far, glad to see yours is still going strong, cheers!
Good man!
Thanks for the video. My hole to keep this car. Elegant, fun, yet lots of work. Fortunately you have so useful videos. With my appreciation and respect, please make more videos.
Glad to help!
Great content mate. I own a 2007 650i. Very helpful videos that have made me more confident in DIY.
My pleasure!
Brilliant update thanks Timm! Mine is a 'Summer' car with 99k miles, hood not retracting now desite trying your tips but apart from that fantastic! Last Sept drove London Antibes (via Rue Napoleon) back along the cost to Italy, north to Turin then Lyon then home, 2400 mls in a week, great roads, faultless!
That's what they were made for!
Thanks Timm, just bought myself a 2008 650i LCI and drove it 1,415 km home. Went like a train, it's such a fun car! Thanks for all the information. I learned everything I know about these cars from you. Keep up the excellent work! P.S. I will try performance mode once I have serviced the transmission.
Glad it worked out for you, they are great fun!
Great video Timm, I just purchased a 2009 650i with 44000 miles, used your guide to inspect the car. thanks for all the help Fred
Well done Fred!
Thanks for another superb post!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Absolutely fantastic Timm. Really loving your videos and I am watching through them all and can’t thank you enough for sharing your experience and knowledge. I picked up my 2007 E63 individual 650i sport a few weeks ago with 92,000 miles. It’s been one of my dream cars and I’m so glad I bought it, it’s my daily and I love everything about it. Only issues I have are my key batteries have died and a number plate bulb replacement. So happy to have found your channel and to own such a stunning and rare car. Thanks again 👏🏻😉👌🏻👍🏻
Good luck. I had 2007 e63 since last Sep. lots work frustrating me… this channel is my hope to keep it.
My pleasure Fraser!
Great video Timm keep doing these I know it helps a lot of people including myself bought the 2008 630i last year still going strong at the moment .👍
Thanks, will do!
Hi Timm can I ask roughly how long should a timing chain last on a 630i apparently mine has stretched and needs replacing is there anything I should replace at the same time thanks.
Hello Tim, mine's a 2007 630i but it's faultless and beautiful despite the fact that some jealous so and so scratched it down driver's side 😭. I've only had to put in a new battery and one runflat tyre in three years! It makes zero sense in 2023 but it makes me smile when I'm driving it. I'll keep it for as long as I possibly can. Keep posting your videos.
Well done, yes, absolutely no sense at all but good fun!
Glad you made this, I considered buying one from your last vid on the subject.
Hope you enjoy it!
Thank god for people like you, I've got a e63 635d with 82k on the clock love it, the pan roof and light interior is a pleasure keep up the good work
Thanks Danny!
Excellent update Timm, I bought my E63 650i when I passed my test 18 months ago off the back of your last 6 series buyers guide. So far she hasn't given me any trouble other than needing a new coolant expansion tank which was an easy swap out even for a novice like myself. The panoramic roof does make a big difference especially for anyone small enough to fit in the back seats! lol. Next job on the list is to refresh the interior as the handbrake and gearstick gaiters both need replacing along with the gearstick knob, fellow youtuber thebimmerfixer has some good tips for refreshing the peeling interior rubber paint on the wheel and plastics.
Well done Steve, keep up the good work!
I don’t even know why I have backseats. They’re just as useless in a vert. 🤪
Got my E63 a 2004 645ci 6 speed manual here in Canada. Love it, never winter driven only 160k km's on it and still driving perfectly. No smoke or stem seal issues since I been doing regular maintenance and Liqui Moli every 5k + sealer additive once every 3 years. Magna flow exhaust with a xPipe no resonators and man that V8 sounds amazing. Love the car and the styling just need new shocks as mine are all worn out.
They are great looking cars with such a bad reputation!
Hi Timm,
As always, great video! Your channel is such a mine of information for 6 and 8 series owners and is so criminally undersubscribed for the superb knowledge you share. I still have my 2010 E64 650i that your videos gave me the confidence to buy (or rather the knowledge to pick a good one). Since 2010, I’ve had three E63s - a 635d and two M6s - and I just love the design of both E63/4 coupe and cab. I’ve has this current E64 two years now as a semi daily and weekend car and it has been an absolute pleasure to own. It did 4k around France over three weeks last year and I’ll be taking the E64 all around France, Italy and Switzerland this summer. Only issues so far have been an ignition coil failure (£150 at my great Indy), replaced the engine insulation (£50) as it had shrunk a little and one flashing red light hood event that required a new hall sensor. I do treat the car well, however, in terms of servicing with regular oil changes, together with a coolant flush and transmission service shortly after I bought the car just because I intend to hang on to it long term. If these car values remain low, all the more chance new owners will get to experience the fun of owning one of these - if they follow your buying advice in how to pick a good one. If you’re interested James (Jayemm) just did a video of my car last week. Thanks again Timm!
ua-cam.com/video/SpgOPKfBxNk/v-deo.html
Thanks for your interesting info, and well done for keeping the 6-Series going!
Hello Tim,
I just admire all the dedication you have for these vehicles! I hope you can keep up with all that good work and all those valuable content you provide for the public.
I have a problem with my E38 that nobody seems to be able to rectify and was hoping I can get in touch with you with the hope you'll be able to help.
How can I get in touch?
Thanks!
I am on Bimmerforums.com if you need help - and there's a lot of good people there
As always - great video.
Regarding the softtop sensor - have you done some research in a solution ? I found a guide which shows how to "extend" some holes, which I might wanna try (mines sometimes acting foolish when the car has been sitting in the sun for some hours)
But please don't blame the E64 for the poor clearcoat :-) - the bumber must have been resprayed at some time
Thanks! And yes, lubricate the linkages and no need to fiddle with the sensor: ua-cam.com/video/Cy74ip-K2c0/v-deo.html
Love my 650i after buying for a reasonable price. Had to change alternator, valve covers, oil pressure sensor, oil level sensor, and caliper. We also pro actively changed the alternator gasket, which was brutal. Car is awesome, but I have learned a lot over the course of past 3 years. I'll probably keep this year for another decade. The large back seat holds my kids and we love the top down.
You obviously went into this with your eyes open - good man!
Fantastic car
Thank you
Glad you like it!
Great stuff. Glad I don't have the E64 - the roof looks like a lot of added fuss. I bet it's lovely on a good day though. Cheers from NZ.
It can be a real pain for little benefit!
So far it's not been too bad. I think I'd still set aside cash for the valve stem seal job because it will be something that will need doing later on down the line. Even with meticulous maintenance, they will need replacing at some point.
Curious to know your thoughts on the E60 V8 variants as there is a similarity with used values. The ropey ones that need work are sorta cheap with some decent ones commanding 5 figures.
Not a fan of the E60 - I had four 7-series (E32 and E38) and gave up on them in preference for the E64
Excellent, helpful videos thanks. I don't suppose you know if it is possible to make a hole from the boot through the armrest? Like a ski hatch? Mine's a 2005, 630i convertible. Thanks
There is no cut-out in the boot trim so I would doubt it
Timm, please get a BMW 430i grand coupe... I need to follow everything you do to yours on mine and all the knowledge youd give... I love mine!
I might do one day - not sure I could deal with the drop in engine capacity though!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation I hear what you're saying but with the way things are going it might be kinder on the wallet.... Plus the b48 twin turbo power engine is no slouch in the 430i grand coupe, it's surprisingly quick and also quite refined. Cheers Timm, all the best!
Great vid, 110K 08 mine; showing its age, boot flooded recently again, but at least got the reversing sensors fixed this time after a few holes drilled into the boot, oil leaks galore, hope not stem valves! - better check that vid out! Main problem at present is the safety system showing red - advise everyone not to do your own OBD check - 17 faults ahh! the SRS fail was not usual passenger seat pad or belt tightener socket but 93FC & 93FD - +ve and ground monitoring of shielding?- I think a new battery might do the trick, my independent mechanic is taking a look in May - any suggestions; PS the wife wont's to scrape the car for a jeep for the new pet - GSD
Check under the drivers seat, there's a multi-way yellow connector pair - mine got a short there!
Hi Tim one more since you mentioned prices.
As us DIYers handle servicing and repairs, how does that affect reselling? For example since we do our own oil changes, we don't get stamps in our service books, thus if we want to sell the car , a buyer might wonder if the service was actually done.
I have my own stamp! But keep a log of the work you do and it should not affect the value
Valve seals plugs etc done at 72k, mechtroincs replaced 120k, upper radiator hose replaced 115k. I have new brakes and rotors to put on and a new coolant expansion tank. Still runs like a top @133k. 🦄 in the wild. 💪🏻 06 650i. EDIT: The bagpipes 🤣😂🤣😂🫡
Well done! Bagpipes were fun!
I could still recommend any of these cars from the 2000s. You have to find a clean and well taken care of one though. If you buy a cheap one you're definitely going to have to do work. People shouldn't be scared of these either years of information have come out with these cars now and most of the big problems can be fixed and even the electrical bugs are documented now
Very true!
Hello, thanks for a wonderful channel. I was thinking of buying a 650 convertible and after watching your channel I decided to. I ended buying a 2015 F12 with 32000km the other day. I know it’s not the same model but I wanted to know if you came across something similar, when I was cleaning the area where the top retracts into I found 2 rubber like bumpers on either side of the vehicle that had broken off. I can’t seem to see from where, any insight would be greatly appreciated.
Good choice! No idea what the rubber buffers are, have a look on realoem.com and try and find them
Timm, I've been a fan of your E38 buyer's and repair guides, thank you very much for doing what you do. Between your E38, E31 and this (or a E63) which one would you keep if you could have only 1 car?
Glad you like them! It will always be the E31!
@@TimmsBMWRepairsandInformation Haha, there just is something special about late 80s and 90s BMWs, isn't it? Love that you're able to save yours after the accident. I'm holding on to my '01 E38 (real) Sport and at least once a month get asked if I want to sell it but that's out of the question.
You must be one of the happiest man in the world having 650i and 8 series in the garden Timm. Kind Regards.
It's quite nice!
Hi Tim, I recently bought a e63 last year and have no problems, however I’m reading the comments mentioning alternator gasket bracket seal. Do I need to get that changed? You also didn’t mention that you got that changed in this video?
I changed mine 5 years ago, so not included in this video. Sometimes they last for years, but worth doing preemptively
That's just a gorgeous car, the design is pretty timeless! I do agree that the E63 is probably the better choice and I'm quite jealous of the UK car market. In Germany the bad ones start at €12-13 000.
Rather avoided over here, too many scare stories! And thanks!
Hi Tim. What would you consider a low milage example?
Less than 80,000 I would class as low-mileage
Hey tim whats your opinion on the 645ci? Would you say just get a newer 650ci instead?
I can't really say as I have never had one - or wanted one as there was always the 650i to aim for!
Tim i purchased a 2008 630i and only 2 days later got a Transmission Fault, i reset the transmission and get a couple of days then it pops up again. I ran a diagnostic using a Motopower Diagnostic tool but no fault of this nature only a P0597 thermostat warning - are these related in any way? Im not comfortable driving the car now.
Sorry to hear that, you need INPA as it sounds like you are only getting engine codes and not gearbox codes
Hi Tim,
Have you experienced any electrical issues with the car? Given that it's almost a 20 year old car, I can imagine that this particular problem could occur.
I cannot think of anything off-hand, I had problems with a headlight and needed to replace the under-housing module, but that's about it. I keep it charged on a battery conditioner and it is perfectly happy
No Alternator Bracket Seal leak yet Timm? Getting myself ready to do this soon. Car is at 105,000 miles now and I've put it off for a couple of years as the leak isn't too bad.
Can I suggest you get around to it sooner rather than later. I'm in Australia and mine let go 600 klms from home, and no local service centre would touch it. Another nights accommodation,meals, transport car 600 KLM and rental car later, very expensive oil waterfall! Just saying.
Alternator bracket was done in 2018 for £500, about the most expensive repair I've had done so far!
I would still go for the E64. On a sunny day with open roads and the top down there is NOTHING like a V8 convertible (with sports exhaust) roaring away!!!
Yes, on a sunny day you can't beat it!
Hi
Please I have a 650i model 2009. Water came in the front light and damaged the DME unit. Is that true?thanks
Water can not reach the DME from the headlight - possibly he meant one of the other control units
Ironically mines a 2008 plate with 147k miles and every problem you’ve had with yours I’ve the past few years has been like clockwork to problems I’ve had with mine!
Self destructing I reckon mine is!
This 6 series is really iconic.
True enough!
Would you continue to run it for another 3 years? Ever tempted to go back to an e32 as a v12 might have some of the drama and get up and go this has?
No, I don't think I could go back to the E32 now, the 650i is so much faster than the 750i with the 4-speed box and M70, in fact, the 840ci is a darn sight faster than the E32 - but, I still love the shape
Here are the following KNOWN issues.
The windshield washer pump was leaking and now failed.
Blinking green headlight switch lamp
Parking sensors work occasionally
Antifreeze leaks when it's cold out, or when I turn the heat on.
Fogged up driverside mirror
The passenger side airbag is bulging throw the dashboard to the point where the seams are visible. (There has to be a way to fix that)
Several hairline cracks on both fenders.
A few months ago my top stopped working. :(
Most of this I can tackle on my own. The Anti-freeze leak has been a real PIA. I can't locate it. I need to get it on a lift.
The top is driving me nuts. I gave up on it when the weather became cold.
For a 19-year-old car with 145,000 miles on it I feel like it's doing pretty well. It runs great. No other leaks, no smoking etc...
For an old car that's not bad at all!
My 650 e64 with 72.000 has been the ultimate nightmare, a disaster.
Some are that I'm afraid which is why they are so cheap here!
Convertible , future claasic
Can't argue with that!
I don't understand why people want low mileage BMWs , every BMW I have owned has been a nightmare from about 80k to 110k. If you can get them past the 110 mark then things seem to settle down.
A low mileage 15 year old 650 is going to have loads of problems waiting to bite you.
Very true, all my cars have been high-milers!
I guess I did things a little backwards..after seeing your video on how to buy a good one, I bought an E63. Absolutely LOVE the car!! Later I came across an E64 that I purchased as well. It failed a lot of your tests, but It's a project car. I hope to get it on the road reliably this summer. Thanks again for the great videos!
Always my pleasure!