How Modern Ships Have Advanced Since Historic Disasters At Sea | Built From Disaster | Spark
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- Advances in boat technology, including the design features that allow passenger ships to operate safely.
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25:10 its *150% life boat capacity, not 100%* _since people cant be expected to run around the ship looking_ _for the last available seat! and the life boats cannot be expected to depart fully seated._
_on top of that there is a 200 percent life vest capacity_
torrace12 some new cruise ships have this policy, enough lifeboat seats for every passenger, and enough life rafts for crew
@@theluckyone3212 As per the SOLAS convention all passenger ships abide by being able to accommodate 150% of the ships capacity by minimum, this can be 150% on each side of the ship if the life rafts cannot be transfered from each side of the ship
if it's 150% it should be 200%, because there is a list angle that disables half the life boats of the ship because they can't be launched safely because they will impact the side of the ship.
Perhaps they already took care of that some other way but I've never heard of how they solved it.
@Arvid Kracht a good joke should not go unrewarded, so - haha, but really its a good idea, private emergency equipment.
@@Glennovan so the ships layout decides if there have to be 150 percent on each side or not
Unsinkable... I know I heard of a ship that is unsinkable somewhere before but I can't remember
Psst... Titanic.
@@Th3M4larky there is no possible way it was the Titanic at all
@@americanpanzer4163 I mean they said it was unsinkable, which was false. But if you're looking for a ship is actually unsinkable, I have no idea.
You've got an unsinkable ship have you? I've got a bridge to sell to you
The Titanic didn't actually sink, that was the Olympic--and it was scuttled. Nobody died.
Rule #1: Don't call them unsinkable.
Now it’s doomed
They didn't. The commentator said the opposite.
Also, name your ship something humble, so fate doesn't want to go *wanna bet* ? Ya know, like bob.
Rule #2, double check and double edit the design of the ship to reduce sink-ability on paper.
Rule #3, build a model and enhance its sink-ability to test all of its safety features at any given scenario.
@Jacob Zondag: Or a menu when you enter a buffet.
Titanic was very well built actually. The Titanic’s problem was that she could only stay afloat with 4 watertight compartments flooded and the iceberg opened 5. If the titanic was as badly built as people nowadays say it was, she probably wouldn’t have lasted 2 hours and 41 minutes up in the water. The Olympic was also built the same exact way titanic was, and she got hit in the stern by a battleships bow which was made to literally sink battleships, so you’d figure a weak passenger ship would sink right off the bat from that. Nope! She survived! The Olympic also sank other ships, one by accident and still survived. Titanic simply had bad luck because the iceberg opened too many compartments, but even then, I don’t know of any other ship that lasting nearly 3 hours before sinking. That’s not to say the Olympic class had no flaws, they did, but they were the safest and strongest ships of their time.
Olympic sliced both a Nantucket tug and a German U-Boat in half. Sinking lesser vessels was one of her hobbies.
"so you can always monitor the ship"...well, unless the fire is in the room where the monitoring equipment is...
the monitoring equipment is in the brigde, the idea of this equipment is for the people in control of the ship (captain or OOW) know what is happening, for example if a fire is starting and where, in order to answer to this situations fast. If the fire is in there its obvious that they know about it so they can do a fast response.
D G ITS A FUCKING JOKE
You would be great couple 🥰🥰ur sense of humour his knowledge of equipment of the ships (?!wtf). .. and u both like shit movies 🎥 on UA-cam... love is in the air
Aaa D G that was also a joke ...
@@AquaticSCP calm down jesus
hey look the ruby princess i hope no virus outbreaks occur onboard
Rebecca Thomas. Yep
Thats what the bulkheads are for.
Not just sinking what about a fire
they need to install a virus alarm system with sprinklers that spray a hydroxychloroquine and zinc mixture.
Poor diamond princess. Are they sisters?
"To have a drinka, go for a swima and get some resta"
That’s hilarious. The stereotype is true! 😂
Theyre Canadian?
@@natehill8069 really🤣
Hilarious! 😂😂
Richard Tickle 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As much as I wish ships were unsinkable, they aren’t. Mother Nature always wins.
TheAmateurAsian make it out of mother nature’s own weaponry
I remember having to climb up several floors to get to the deck so I could walk back and go down for food.
If you want to build a ship that can't sink, you need to make it out of a material that floats.
Humans-We have done it! We have built an unsinkable ship!
Ocean- Hold my beer.
Lol
lt seems you missed the memo that the "hold my beer." routine is not the most original, or clever observation.
Ocean- Hold my iceberg.
FTFY
Ryan Atherton fire hold my beer
Ocean- "Again?"
How to make sure ships don't sink: don't put them anywhere near water.
holy shit.. sign this guy up for ship engineering... I think he's brilliant. And absolutly right.. a ship on land is truly unsinkable..
@@harleyme3163that shit is funny
@@harleyme3163oh
Beat me to it. l just said that. Fuck me dead.
best answer lmao
Update 2020, the Ruby Princess was responsible for the Covid-19 outbreak in Australia when she docked in Sydney. The ship design was not at fault, but the medical team on board ignored clear signs that Covid-19 was present and spreading on the ship.
They did everything in their power and notified authorities of possible cases.
NSW health ministry allowing passengers to disembark, enter Sydney and travel through the country without quarantine or even awaiting Covid test results were responsible for the outbreak.
@@tomonabudget in that case the ships crew and passengers were at fault. They're knew there was a contagious virus onboard and still disembarked rather than wasting their money
Wondered about the co-vid outbreak in Australia
Of course the fact that at the time the potential of COVID was a pretty well unknown disaster waiting to happen wouldn't have had a bearing on decisions to disembark passengers that were made at the time. Everyone is an expert on making the absolute correct decisions in 20/20 hindsight.
As it turns out the Ruby Princess debacle has had little effort on the outcomes with this virus overall. It was already here when that happened.
It’s amazing that the ship used to show safety was the cause for many Australian deaths this year! Good ole Ruby Princess the Typhoid Mary of shipping
I sailed on the Ruby in 2019 and the cleanliness of the ship was outstanding. The debarkle which caused many deaths was due to the mismanagement of the virus by the Australian federal and state governments. The ships crew followed directions from the NSW Health department which instructed them to disembark the passengers in Sydney before the results of the covid tests were known. The ships doctor reported a number of passengers with flu like symptoms to the Australian authorities as is required in any port in the world. The ships captain is required to take and follow the instructions of the port authority in all ports of call.
Thank you Spark for posting full documentaries on UA-cam, it is greatly appreciated.
A friend of mine on his first fishing season was going to sign on with the Galaxy. They took too long so he went across the street and signed with them because the share was just a little bit bigger. His ship was first on the scene when the Galaxy caught fire and they reached the majority of the crew. The boat deck was so hot the rubber soles of their boots were melting. People were clinging to the bow sprit and flag pole. One crew woman jumped overboard with no survival suit on into the ice cold water. Another crewman with a survival suit on jumped in right after her and pulled her mostly out of the water on top of him. She was rescued as quickly as possible in the rough sea but she was already in a coma. They were told to put her under blankets with two nude crew members on either side of her nude body. A slow gradual warming was needed and this was the best they could do. The swapped crew out every 45 minutes. She ended up sleeping with every man on the crew. She survived. A year later she ran into this friend of mine in a bar and they had a few laughs and she bought him a drink. Heading back on board that night he fell off the gang plank into ice cold water. He mourned the waste of good whiskey because he was instantly sober.
GREAT story!
Unlike politicians, engineers learn from history, learn from failures.
If that is not one of the wisest things if read on the internet in a long time.........
Sadly it isnt engineers that run ships ... it is MANAGERS ... who then employ CHEAP LABOR where one guy doesnt understand the other, because they took the cheapest ones from the global pool AND these managers allow "a security chief" to become the naval captain of a cruise ship. That is the story of the Costa Concordia.
Do not consider your statement to be "true" forever, because biologists / doctors are already "giving in to IDEOLOGY" while forgetting about FACTS and "the scientific principles". Math is also being "decolonised" ... and bridges are "forced" to stay up or else they are declared to be sexist, collapsing because female engineers designed them.
Politics is a game. Engineering is not.
If the corridors were designed so that as you get closer to an exit, the corridors are made wider. One reason is for easy identification of which direction to proceed, another is that as more people travel through the corridors towards the exits the path increases in capacity because it is wider.
And all corridors could have phosphorescent panels so that people can see the passage without power required.
They mention Titanic and other commercial ships causing innovation in ship designs. But a lot of these innovations were pioneered by Warships. It turns out the very same technology you need to protect your ship from torpedos also stop your cruise ship from sinking.
Unfortunately War forces innovation because more resources and money are allocated. The US for instance allocates damn near $1 *TRILLION* dollars a year on the Military Budget.
the scandinavian star also had dead end corridors wich alot of the passengers were found grouped up in, and there was in the investigation found that vents and doors that were not supposed to be open were in fact open. so the fire got alot of air supplied wich further made the fire spread quicker. i heard a audio documentary about it 3 months ago, was really interesting
The Swedish P3 documentary? Really interesting one if that was it.
15:00 - It's all well and good using simulations to test evacuation routes and times. But do these simulations take into account the utter gormlessness of many a passenger that can't find their glasses on their own heads, let alone see and follow the evac route signage?
I've neen on a few ships and the number of people I see/hear being unable to find their way to the outside decks, despite the clear as day signage makes me weep and hope that in the event of an evacuation they are far behind me!
What they need to do is pack the almost ready ship with a bunch of people who have no clue about the layout and then tell them "the first X number of you at your assigned muster sation gets a prize". Then watch the utter hopeless chaos!
Also - 18:00 - The damage to Titanic was NOT above the watertight bulkheads. It was far below the waterline and the across 4 watertight compartments. The sheer weight of the water (or more accurately loss of bouyancy) pulled the bow down far enough that the water breached a 5th compartment and that sealed the Titanics fate.
The quality of the rivets on Titanic has long been found to be perfectly fine for the time and not contributory to the disaster.
You are right, but the rivets were a contributing factor in the titanic incident. If the rivets hadn't failed, the accident wouldn't have happened.
@@ndirangugichuki6260 rivets could be a contributing factor without the quality of the rivets being a factor which is what the narrator said.
15:50 Does that simulation account for the elderly, or those with some other condition, which prevents them moving as fast as everyone else?
No
The Titanic was the basis of the SOLAS Rules (Safety Of Live At Sea) which are the basic rules for all vessels.
only a minute or two in: "Built From Disaster!" because a show called "Learn From Your Mistakes" sounded too elementary and hit the wrong demographic
Nick Ferry
And?
My mom says she wants to make her co-workers watch shows like seconds from disaster and aircrash investigation to teach them what goes wrong when you don't do your job correctly and cut corners. She works in IT for a retailer but she still believes lots can be learnt from these shows.
@@pengwens6281 Absolutely. If one doesn't realize what type of circumstances can become due to simple mistakes in particular job titles, then how can you plan and execute your job properly? For instance, I am a heavy truck driver, and I have been through so many DOT and safety learning classes that I should be an expert ,but nobody's ever perfect...we ALL make mistakes, and I keep the mindset that we learn something new every single day.
"learn from your mistakes" implies you were wrong and soft liberals just cant have that.
@@sparrowdactyl9632 often accidents happen because of unforeseen circumstances.
People doing everything according to the rules and their training running into conditions they have no response to, and their equipment that's also up to all the existing specs also doesn't have the capability of dealing.
Fast forward to 2020, Ruby Princess is a plague ship.
They should be called cootie cruisers thanks to China's corona virus
But hasn't sunk or burned.
@Fredrik. S Yes, it was.
@Fredrik. S no, it was the Ruby Princess that was docked in Sydney.
1: COVID aint a plague
2: covid is about to end
With these ships getting bigger and bigger. It takes me 3 to 4 days, to figure out,my way around. That's without alcohol!
James Robinson lol
a waste of a 10 day cruise.
I am gonna go on a cruise ship for a month. a world tour
@@mjordan233 👍happy sailing.
@@mrluigi9923 more like a 10 day incubation period amirite?
Show:
*Calls cruise ships classic*
Me:
*Cries in ocean liner*
I feel your pain, and another must sail soon, or they will be gone, forever
Now it is a floating apartment
40 knots.
the marine equivalent of warp speed.
of course small craft would go much faster, I mean for large ships that's a lot.
@Norm T Eventhough he's referring to ships of that size. 52knots seems slow for Jet ski
@Norm T what a stupid comment comparing a jet ski to a huge car ferry! Wise up norm!!!
Norm T jet ski’s use aqua planing to to overcome drag, a conventional ship going 40 knots is very good
@Norm T yeah it's a fucking jet ski...
Please, we don’t learn.
Most modern cruise ships in 2019 have way too many people onboard to safely rescue. 3,000 passengers is too much. When a boat lists or leans too far over half the lifeboats aren’t even usable.
Today’s cruise ships are the next disasters waiting to happen.
If a ship is in trouble in rough conditions with high gale force winds & large waves & swells rescue is greatly reduced further.
Who remembers Italian captain abandon ship before all passengers were even accounted for.
yup, Cap'n Crunch, named for the sound the ship made when it hit the rocks. Is he still in prison?
Eventually one will sink.
@Michael Piccirillo --- it's called Predatory Capitalism, in your scenario, as you describe. It's Profits before People.
Society puts up with it, tolerates it, because they been indoctrinated into believing in what they've been taught. Especially in the USA, the Federalists (aka the Elitist) have indoctrinated everyone into believing that Companies, Corporations, Billionaires, and their "Free Market" mantra, can Do No Wrong. If you look closely, with an open mind, the errors and flaws are obviously.
Like any Doctrine, that is followed blindly, and can not be questioned, is Full of Flaws. You'd be amazed as to how many people are indoctrinated in the U.S., and can't understand your concerns. Safety is an Afterthought, after thousands have died, including in the U.S.
@@Texaca correct. There's no love greater for man than money.
As per SOLAS, a ship must be able to carry 150% of its passenger capacity. 300% if the lifeboats cannot be rapidly moved from the other side of the ship mechanically.
It's bad business for passengers to die. The sinking of the Titanic bankrupted White Star Line and MH370 turned Malaysia Airlines into a husk of its former self.
Some of the Ships I recognized in this are 2:00 SS Romanza, 2:08 Herald of Free Enterprise, 2:11 SS Achille Lauro, all of which aside from Romanza had a Rather Troubled history/end, also kind of surprised they didn't mention Moby Prince, an Italian Ferry that was destroyed by fire in 1991 after a Collision with an Oil Tanker with 140 dead and one survivor
All you need to mention to make this entire video POINTLESS is ... the *Costa Concordia!*
tl;dr A "bad ship" run by a GOOD CREW is safer than a "good / modern ship" run by BAD MANAGERS who then hired a BAD CREW! This is also the reason why nuclear power IS NOT SAFE ... because managers will eventually try to cut corners for a bit more profit, which will then cause the desaster.
the x-bow is a neat design. missed out that it was inspired by viking ships! also the x-bow has problems with efficiency when going over 18 knots. ship hull design is a complicated art form. looking forward to seeing the 1st nuclear powered ocean liners. all that pollution is something that needs to be addressed.
The worst thing about Scandinavian Star is the fact that most likely the shipping company initiated the several fires for insurance money. Insurance was increased vastly just weeks before departing.
During the fire, ventilation and doors were opened in a way that could only be done by part of the crew so that the fire would increase in intensity and propagate with most efficiency. The same ventilation and door configuration was actually tested some years before the catastrophe when the ship was sailing the Caribbean.
A drunken truck driver, who died as a result of the fire, was blaimed for all of it but he had a very high dose of alcohol in his blood at the time of death. This makes it unlikely he started several fires on different floors, as well as starting them in just the right places.
Also, as the ship eventually came to a list, the rescue operation required ballast water to be pumped. According to one of the ship technical officers, this could only be done if the fire extinguishing efforts were terminated. This was shown afterwards not only to be false, but also to be exactly what was needed to reignite the main fire and let it spread over the entire ship.
Giorgio looks and sounds like an Adam Sandler character.
It is good that the design engineers keep improving their designs.
no shit. otherwise we would still be living in mudhuts
@@manneredcheetah6665 "If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts." - Camille Paglia
The problem is NOT "the engineers" ... but rather "the MANAGERS" who dictate how a ship is being run. Just take the *Costa Concordia,* a really modern ship that was run aground needlessly by a captain that had been promoted from security guard instead of naval position AND where the crew didnt speak the same language.
I Lived on Oasis & Allure for 7 years, I've seen waves bigger than both.
Wow what was it like to live on one. And may I ask why u lived one them. Did u work on the ship that would be so cool to live on one. But not if it moving
Great documentary! Note on the Estonia (post this doc) is that a diving crew discovered a hole on the side of the ship (possible collision with something).
Dunno why but this documentary is making me incredibly nostalgic for the mid 2000s.
Might I remind folks of the recent Costa Concordia. Say no more on sink resistant.
That incident could have completely been avoided if the captain was not so incompetent. Its truly just a sad story.
@@mtfunitomega-17floridamen76 It doesn't negate the fact that the ship sank, however. Too much damage in too little time to keep the ship afloat, watertight bulkheads notwithstanding. Thank goodness the wind turned and pushed the listing ship on that providential rocky plateau. Otherwise.....
The bald engineer discussing evacuation corridors has some badass glasses at 14:50.
@@reconx86 cool. Wanna get some with LED's in them. Thanks.
thereissomecoolstuff Leave it to the Italians 👌🏼
Italians are so stylish!
Ill bet those are not un sinkable.
No ship is unsinkable and unfortunately we don't float until after we are dead
Angus Osbòrne my friend has a boat that can’t sink. The hull is filled with foam. It’s literally impossible to sink. You can make any boat unsinkable, it’s just a matter of cost and how much space you’re willing to sacrifice
Stan, are you talking about a Boston Whaler
@@Jaffjv don't say that or mother nature will come
The US designed a unsinkable ship, but it was made of mostly Ice, so not exactly a all weather craft.
there has to be a way to make an unsinkable ship
I love the way Italians speak, both in Italian and English. Almost musical. I love the U.S., but we should've gone metric decades ago. So tired of Googling metrics to get a sense of distance, speeds and sizes!!. LOL Thank you Spark for uploading this. Stay safe everybody!!
u too man!
23:00 The ship staff exhibit the importance of always wearing a gold chain when you're on an Italian ship
Keep your hair combed and wear a pinky ring too 🙃
i'll keep this video in mind next time i build a ship
The 1987 collision between the Philippine-registered passenger ship MV
Dona Paz and the oil tanker MT Vector was the worst peacetime maritime
disaster in the world, and has been described as “Asia’s Titanic.” Over
4,000 people died in that incident. A year later, the MV Dona Marilyn
sank in a typhoon, taking nearly 40 people with it. In 2008, the MV
Princess of the Stars capsized at the height of a middling, category two
storm. Sixty-seven were confirmed dead, with 747 unaccounted for.
Dona Paz is an exercise in human calousness.
MT vector was running at night, with no lookouts and no one on the bridge so they were assigned guilt. Ill reiterate, NO ONE was on watch. Even if nothing has happen, this would in my opinion fully justify summarily shooting all of the ship's officers and sailors.
Of course Dona Paz crew outright abandoning and semblance of responsibility for their ship and passengers would suffice to summarily execute them too
Throughout this whole Doc, I was remembering the issue with whale strikes. So question for anyone nautical who would know. Has anyone thought of putting a speaker in the nose or close to it that would sound low noise that would just give them a heads up? It seems obvious so I'm thinking there is an issue implementing it and am curious as to what the issue is.
28:40 are all waterstraits always called "one of the busiest in the world"!?
29:15 for everyone who didn't know: VTS=Vessel Traffic Service (simiar to ATC)
AIS=Automatic Identification System (similar to an aircraft transponder)
VHF=Very High Frequency
35:00 aren't they seperating the car lanes nowadays as well?
Ship owners: we have built an unsinkable ship.
Mother nature: wanna bet?!
Ulstein X-Bow ship gives me hope that one day we will see a transatlantic oceanliner similar to the design of what Norman Bel Geddes intended.
You should bet more on ground effect vehicles/planes instead. The russian who built the war"planes" for the Soviet-Union had started thinking about creating GIANT versions of them to be able to ferry a whole battallion of soldiers across the oceans ... and apparently the ground effect becomes more efficient with larger size.
One thing about engineering is they find many different ways to make the same mistakes.
They're not unsinkable because human error can always occur but they're very safe with the latest technology in safety! That would definitely give me a piece of mind.
Technology is an excuse to "cut corners" ...
Watching a video about ships while flying a plane in flight sim x but in reality i actually like trains.
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the three giants of transportation
MS Scandinavian Star, originally named MS Massalia, was a car and passenger ferry built in France in 1971. The ship was set on fire on April 7, 1990, killing 159 people, and the official investigation blamed the fires on a convicted arsonist, who died in the fire.[1] This finding has since been disputed.
I like how they put a show in between commercials.
The Titanic wasn't the fastest nor was she built to be the fastest. Her class: the Olympic class were not the first to have the watertight compartments but rather the amount and height of the compartments had been increased. 6 compartments had actually been breached. The damage extended to boiler room 5 with only a small hole punched into the coal bunker accelerating the sinking. The exact casualty number was 1496. The quality of the rivet and steel were not to blame as seen with the RMS Olympic who had been in a handful of accidents. Lastly the speed was also not to blame. The Titanic was doing 21 knots her service speed with 5 single ended boilers still unlit. She was not speeding
She was speeding because of the iceberg warnings they'd already received. SOP was to reduce speed when ice warnings occured. Had they reduced speed they could possibly have evaded or reduced the damage of the impact, potentially stopping the sinking.
Ideally they should have realised it was too late to avoid the impact and not tried to turn, a head on Impact would have done alot of damage but they'd not have sank.
The last furnaces had actually been lit just a few hours before the collision, and 21 knots still isn't advisable in a known ice field. That said, there are some questions about how much any of the commanders knew, since several of the more specific and up-to-date warnings were never delivered to the bridge.
I'm always amazed by improvements made AFTER a disaster, surely engineers can run through all the potential "what if" scenarios and design accordingly at the outset?
Like everyone we build to the current laws, if we tried to anticipate everything we would become uncompetitive with other yards. It's the owners who choose the shipyard of least cost and fastest delivery. Thus until there is legislation there is no improvement other than those that mean cost/time reduction rather than safety features that always increase costs.
It is a very efficient combination of the two. Hundred years ago and more, the ship builders basically only used trial and error. Now they use guidlines based on trial and error, structural engineering, and FEM analysis as well as scale model tests.
23:33 the music is called Harmonic spectra by Terry Devine-King... I looked for this track for over 15 years and found it :)
That's cool!!!
"She was at least 560 kilometers from the nearest land..." Nope, from what I hear its only about 3km deep there.
lots of innocent people died a horrific death and you make that joke?
why the hell is depth matter? 560 kilometers of HORIZONTAL way
Muster drills are a waste of time.Can not no way expect people to react correctly after one half ass drill.Parents will run to cabin to get kids, folks running everyplace,5,000 people .I have cruised ,was a merchant mariner,I learned at least three ways to get to my assigned boat.And as a pro,would be pressed into helping anyhow.Been in situations as a guest,when I looked into a crew members eyes and saw fear.
@@leemcmullan Too soon?
Lee Lee smells of wee and he is a moron!
@@davidwadsworth8982 True, but performimg muster drills on every cruise is a SOLAS requirement. This makes them an officially mandated waste of time...
The Burrard Chinook, the newest vessel in Vancouver’s SeaBus fleet, is also a catamaran. The main difference between the Explorer and the Chinook is that the Chinook doesn’t have a vehicle deck and only carries passengers
This is a little older than I expected. Ruby Princess is 12 years old now.
One of the major problems in most of those accidents were due listing, safe boats on either side of the ship couldn't be deployed. It cancels out 50% lifeboat capacity during capsizing and unfortunately no mention of this made in the video.
Correct. As far as I can tell, the only viable solution to that problem would be to use huge gantry davits like the ones on HMHS _Britannic,_ and the only argument I can find against making something like that standard is that the ones they had back in 1916 were supposedly too "ugly" to be used on civilian ships.
However, they have designed falls that will automatically break off when submerged, which is a huge step in the right direction.
Listing also slows down the evacuations greatly. Both should shouldn't be overlooked.
Not strictly true, it depends what it’s mounted on, some davits are designed for listing in that they extend out, others have wheels to go down the side of a listed hull. If that fails there are also life rafts which are not affected by listing but are even more uncomfortable
Scandinavian star was a fire of arson. By the crew.
Estonia was not an accident. It sank because someone made it sink.
Why is everything a conspiracy to you people ?
@@fireredorange2659 what is "the conspiracy"?
In my Basic Training Maritime class, the instructor said that the best ship advancements are made from tragedies. It really is crucial to learn from the mistakes in history.
They are made pointless by having the wrong people in charge. Just look at the Costa Concordia ... a former security guard got promoted to naval captain ... and the crew didnt speak the same language. COMPANY MANAGERS are the bane of safety ... as are bureaucrats.
Just look at the Titanic, which could have SURVIVED, if they had rammed the iceberg head on instead of "scratching it at one side". Head on would have flooded the front but limited the damage enough to stay afloat. =>>> bad thinking on the side of the captain ... which was also due to them "cutting corners" with the route to be faster instead of safer.
@@Muck006 also remember that hindsight is 20/20.
That-a Ship-a, is a Safe-a Ship-a
Little did the poor bugger know that it would become a courier of death in 2020!
not to mention that on the Scandinavian Star, some fire alarms were not connected to the system and the fire was fueled by a 'broken' hydraulic line leaking 120000 litre of diesel fuel. One corridor was named 'the crematorium' because there was nothing left of the bodies but coal.
Just happen on this video. At this time, we have the Ruby Princess tied up in Port Kembla, Australia. The source off 19 deaths so far and how many other people have contacted the corona virus is mounting. We now have a police investigation going on to try and unravel what went on with the ship to be allowed to dock at the Overseas Terminal in Sydney and allow 2,700 passengers to dis-embark. She was due to depart today, but has now had an extension due to the number off crew that have come down with the illness. Having the designs incorporated in all ships, not just passenger liners makes them safer to sail but sickness is hard to contain.
Speaking off which I'll tell you a story off what happen to my wife and I on cruise ship called the MV Rasa Sayang, sailing out off Singapore on a 10 day cruise to Indonesia and Bali, back to Singapore and then a 4 day cruise to Penang Island and return to Singapore. The date was 12 June, 1977, time 24.30hrs, we had just left Singapore in the afternoon after the trip to Indonesia and Bali and on our way to Penang.
Our cabin was A24, suddenly the alarm goes off for 7 times. I'm awake so is the wife. I tell her to get dressed and both put on our life jacket. She wanted to take stuff, I told her we go now, forget every thing in the cabin. I open the cabin door to smoke. Luckily, it is only light, there was a crew member who pointed us to the elevator to take us to the boat deck where we waited for further instructions. We where on the Port Side, it was the side that they where pumping water into the ship to fight the fire in the crews quarters just forward off our bulkhead in the cabin. We watched in darkness with only the ships lights. We could see the land, those on the Starboard side had black sea in front off them. Slowly the ship started to list further and at the same time we could see a storm brewing in the distance. At 05.30 hrs the order came to man the lifeboats and at that precise time the storm broke. if you have ever been in the tropics and a storm breaks, you know how water comes down.
I was asked by one off the officers if I could help with loading the passengers into the life boats. I order my wife into the boat and then helped other passengers into other life boats. To make matters worse the scuppers, ( they are welded to the deck to take excess water that is on the decks over the side off the ship, like your down pipes from your gutters). the position off these scuppers was that they were pouring water into the lifeboats. Once on the water we were taken in tow by the motorised life boat. Dawn had broken and we could see the ship. What do we do? We could see a fully laden tanker anchor near the shore with other life boats tied up to the gangway, but no one was taken off the life boats. We found out latter that the captain was asleep and no one would wake him up. When he was woken up and communication between his ship and the authorities in Malaysia, he was informed that because we nobody had passports, not to allow anybody on to the ship.
I was in the third life boat behind the motorised life boat. When the time came that we could board the tanker, the motorised life boat, instead off bringing the next life boat to the gangway, just cast off the tow leaving the tanker crew to pull the next boat up to the gangway. Dramas still to come! I pulled my life boat up to the first life boat, boarded the life boat, run along the gunnels of the boat and leaned against the hull off the tanker to push the life boat away from the hull off the ship to lower the gangway down so that passengers could board the tanker. I stayed there until all passengers were on board the tanker.
Now we waited until the ships crew could land our passports into the hands off the authorities, before we where able to board the life boats, with myself and a couple off other young Aussies as we were back in those days, helped the passengers back into the boats and able to land on Malaysian soil. We were then placed on air-con coach back to Singapore. Cruise East put us up in 4 star hotels with all expenses paid. Remember, we are still in the clothes that we put on after been woken with the abandon ship siren. Some Aussies as usual went over board. Some Aussies complained that their bags were not properly packed. These received blasts from some off us, that some passengers received their luggage in black plastic bags and your complaining that your bag is not packed correctly. My wife and I where the first ones back in Australia, arriving at Sydney Airport, with one off the Qantas staff asking for my wife's name and given her a pull over from her mother as she thought that she would be cold. We were met by Cruise East staff asking if we would do a TV interview, which we did.
After all this, Cruise East offered all passengers a free 10 day cruise and you made your own way to Singapore, Bali or Indonesia, which we did the following year. I had a great time! caught a ear ache
at the resort in Bali, carried it on to the ship and spent the next 10 days in bed. And to make matters worst, the sewerage treatment plant on board the ship packed it in at Penang for 2 days. Was glad to get back to Australia and home for myself. My wife did the other thing. We dropped her at work, (Allen, Allen & Hemsley in Sydney) as she was so excited about the adventure.
To add to this, my wife and I lived at Arcadia, a Suburb North West of Sydney, on five acres that was off the main road. My wife's mom and dad, looking after the property whilst we were on the trip. Cruise East, knowing that we would be the first back to Australia, phoned them and were told that they would be picked up by limo and transported to Sydney Airport. Arrangements were made that the would meet the limo driver at Galston. Mom and Dad stopped the car outside the bank, next to the garage on the corner which they did at about 05.00 hrs. The limo drive arrives and so does the cops. Some passing cars had phoned the cops and told them that a vehicle was parked out side the bank and thought that a robbery was going to take place. After many telephone calls by the limo driver to his superiors, that they were allowed to proceed to the airport. How about that!!!!!!!!!!
You should publish a story in a cruise magazine. Thanks for sharing.
This is an amazing story and is worthy of recognition but I must say PLEASE DON'T SAIL ON THE SAME SHIP AS ME.
He forgot another thing we learned from the titanic. Icebergs are dangerous, so we're planning to get rid of all them
They talk about computer simulations timing how long it takes all passengers and crew to move about and get to their muster point. But one fatal flaw I see (and I’m be no means a marine engineer) is that these simulations assume everyone calmly goes to their assigned stations. If I was on a ship and heard the abandon ship order, I doubt passengers will calmly go to their assigned muster points. It’s going to be a “WHERE THE HELL IS A LIFE BOAT!!!” I’ve always been curious about this.
Where did you get that from?
Where does it say that the simulations assume calm passengers?
Because that would be a stupid and pointless simulation and I don't think that they would use such a flawed premise.
First time I ever saw a Car Ferry.
I find it DETRIMENTAL that there seems to be A Market In Disasters...That Scares Me. Something that just CHILLS ME TO THE BONE...I GUESS I LOVE EVERYTHING & EVERYBODY...AND ONCE SOMETHING IS BROKEN HOW CAN IT BE MORE BROKEN. Breaks My Heart To See So Much Damage.
39:45 I find it a little funny that they're using NSTC on a ship from London (usually they use PAL)
Its actually NTSC
years ago, I was on the Carnival Splendor, from Buenos Aires to NewYork. one by one, everyone crew included contracted broncitis and upper resiratory infections and conjunctivitis (pink eye) I, saw the ships doctor. But yeah, we ALL were sick. we called it "The Carnival Cough"
Technical safety advances often don't work out, there have been several captains who chose a route with a rock in it, one captain ordered his ship to sail at high speed at night and hit an iceberg. There have been bridge crews who don't like the annoying alarms, so they silence them. Changes in bow door design only work when someone closes the door. Multiple escape routes are built into engine rooms so the CO2 fire suppression system can't be used until all the crew members are found. The really dangerous thing is thinking the tech is safe by itself.
There has been "safe" gasses used in fire suppression for years called Halon. I have done installation and testing on these in commercial computer rooms. You can work open faced in a room full pf Halon and still breath while fire can not burn. I do not know if it was ever found to be harmless, but I am still around 40 years later after many exposures. Except for the extra ear I grew everything seems to be fine! ;'P
Tim Gard - Except for the extra ear I grew.....🙃
I mean all of those factors generally get less dangerous the more you try to design humans right out of the equation.
@37:00 the drains should go off the boat right away, but if its a pipe, then have the tank below and on the opposite side
Oh, hey, Ruby Princess. Thanks for bringing us Coronavirus. ❤ Australia
I believe a good idea for an "unsinkable" ship would be a combination of a hovercraft and semi-submersible. A ship capable of temporarily and safely submerging while also capable of having a shallow draft and a full perimeter "bumper".
I'm not so sure that a vessel like that would handle heavy weather very well. I guess they could call it "The Puke Princess" or maybe "Vomitanic". :-)
That X bow design looks a lot like every fish ever. I recon the fish were on to something first..
*If someone ever advertises, or boasts, that their vessel is "UNsinkable", I'll be taking that as my cue to "UN-board".* ✌
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I dont want to be stranded in the middle of the ocean, relying on you, if your hubris can delude you into believing you've conquered the unforseen elements.
Right imagine believing you are more powerful than mother nature. No boat will ever be unsinkable until they figure out anti gravity or make them out of a material that no matter fire, damage, or whatever else that they remain afloat. However, most cruise ships *are* generally much safer, and have a higher rate of surviva,l due to being closer to land, warmer waters, etc.
"maybe one day all ships will looks like this" me: oh I hope not
On these ugly massive cruise ships boxes it can't make it worse.
@@5Andysalive eye sores...never will go aboard of those
I prefer the original straight bow design used on 1930s ship than that monstrosity of a bow
time stamp?
Public space-a, to have a rest-a, to have some fun-a, to take a swim-a. 3:50
Has anyone heard about the supposed "real" reason the Estonia sunk? Like they said in this video the boy weiser was the main initial damage, but they say it was the heavy seas that made it fail, along with many other factors. But the other story is that it was actually a bomb that had been place there by Russian agents. It had been put there by them due to the cargo the ship was secretly carrying onboard. When this happened it was several years after the Iron Curtain fell and corrupt military officials had been selling secret technology to the U.S. and other countries. But getting these things out of Russia and that area in particular wasn't an easy thing to do. So western intelligence agencies used a route called the Baltic Drainpipe, which was use to smuggle all sorts of things out of the area. They had been using the Estonia as a cover vessel to get their cargo out, they thought that since the ferry ship had several hundred people on it that the Russians wouldn't interfere with what they were really doing. So essentially they used they the passangers of the ship as human shields for their cargo. But seems as though they greatly underestimated the Reds becuase on that particular voyage the ship was carrying missile technology that had detailed information about Soviet missiles. Like their capacity, range, accuracy, and other such things. So ofcourse the Russians couldn't let this get to the West's hands, thus leading them to place the bomb on the ship. Its said that they never meant to sink the ship but only to cause enough damage to force it to turn back for repairs so they could then take back control of the ships cargo, but unfortunately that's not how things worked out and hundreds of innocent people lost their lives. So that more or less is the "real" reason to the ship's demise, other then that everything they mention in this video is true. Like all the safety measures that should have been in place not being there... And all the other stuff.
I can deff understand why they wouldn't mention the actual reason of the ships demise. Simply because it's not that kind of documentary and it would just be kinda odd for them to go into that. But that seems to be that actual events to why the Estonia became the disaster it did. You can look it up yourself, also a lot of things that happened afterwards were very suspicious.
Like the fact that both the western countries and the Soviets worked together to cover up what had really happened. Also how Sweden first said they would spare no expense in salvaging the ship but then for some reason proceeded to entomb it with concrete... Like wth would anyone do that? And when was the last time anyone's heard of a wrecked ship being essentially burried in concrete? That's not common practice at all! There was only one official dive at the wreckage and some of the film from that dive was suppressed. Then before Sweden burried the ship in concrete the nations that had been involved signed a treaty declaring that no one will dive there again but for some odd reason the UK signed this treaty even though they had absolutely nothing to do with what was going on there and that has never been explained. But an illegal dive was done by a private dive team who brought up pieces from the bow doors and testing found traces of explosives on them. So that along with a lot of unanswered questions makes this the last great act of violence from the Cold War... But ofcourse this is all just theory because it hasn't been proven as fact. But really who burries a sunken ship with concrete? Unless there's something there ppl don't want found out about? After all how would it look if the world found out that the ships passengers had been used at human shields for several countries black ops missions into former Soviet Russia? And how would it look for Russia if ppl found out their military secrets had been taken by other countries? Thus leading them both to work with each other to bury this secret with concrete and sale the narrative everyone believes to this day....
Estonia wasn't buried in concrete, that was stopped bc it was laying on a muddy seabed.
Actually now divers doing a documentary has been there and found a big hole on the side of the boat about 4 meters, looks like an explosion from the outside. Probably why she sank so fast.
the seas were not even so big & it had been thru similar weather many times... Was most definitely sabotaged
What they don't tell you is the center of gravity on passenger cruise ships sits ABOVE or NEAR THE WATERLINE. What this means is they are negative stability. All this was done to make the ship "roll" less in the oceans for a smoother ride. However it greatly increases the risk of capsizing!
They say 20 minutes to abandon ship. The Lucitania sank in just over 10 minutes.
Also ships RARELY go down without a severe listing (tilting to port or starbird) Once the ship tilts past a certain degree, you can no longer release life boats on the high side. This is what happened to Costa Concordia.
Many cruise companies also register their boats in countries with the most laxed safety and inspection rules.
Lusitania sank in 18 minutes.
They forgot Covid protection on the ruby lol
Around the 13:00 mark they were testing the fire systems and I may have mis understood but they said it will cut off the oxygen sealing the fire so it will go out. What happens if someone is in there when that happens??
More ship 🚢 documentaries please !!
THANKS SPARK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE LOVE TRUTH.
When the boat is made in Italy, it is not a "ship" - it is a "shippe."
I can get away with that because my wife is Italian. True story.
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Old people may remember the 20th century dreadnoughts having backward sloping shearwaters. Science now makes them bulbous. Marvelous!
"I cannot imagine any condition which would cause a ship to founder. Modern shipbuilding has gone beyond that"
Look up rogue waves. Modern ships sinking is very common, like dozens a year.
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Same was the thought with the lenged titanic though its gone but we should remember people who sailed on it as well as titanic for giving such adva ce features to protect ships though those features are more advanced today but still lenged should still be remember there is saying that change needs sacrifice and titanic and people who sailed on it were born for that yeah it was tragedy but nature has its own way of working
lakshya grover He was quoting the Titanic’s Captain.
Well, RMS _Adriatic_ certainly didn't sink.
Narrator: By learning from the past, modern ship will sail safely into the future
Schettino: Hold my pasta and my mistress
hei baluba, mister zanzibar. apart from the fact that he made a joke that he had so many spits in your face, I remind you that you don't mess with the dead and then with pasta, mandolin, tomato, mozzarella and pizza, you made the usual super abused and already repeated joke by a couple of billion people before you. come on that I clicked a like, hindsight 'it was a wasted joke, you have to take it only with your ignorance. then why did you go on a schettino and not on the English commanders who were responsible for enormous massacres? before writing you need to get information, schettino has paid for everyone, but the captains always eat with guests and beautiful women, and this has always existed and will always exist, at the trial from the black box you hear the captain say the first time: it turns to port, without getting an answer, repeats it a second time aloud getting angry in English "Christ, can you hear me" ??? and the Asian like you at the helm repeats eeeh? then the captain says: take off, give me the crrraaassshh. then it was discovered that to save money, the shipping or cruise companies looked at the dossier of the alleged sailor asking for the hiring and not at the experience, on which ship he had been and how many years had the course lasted, what notions he had learned, which languages he spoke and many other things that are taught in our schools and institutes, in practice by them, due to the excessive demand for sailors, hubs, engineers, machinists, waiters, kitchen people, for cleaning, for rooms etc etc, then for important and thick tasks we entrust to Westerners must learn it in a year, and furthermore with corruption the institutions could say anything, the result of this? 70% of the candidates after the exam were sent home escorted to the plane, because already arriving in the West was a victory for them and if it was refused they would ask for a residence permit (never accepted one) moreover they are heavily indebted to him or the family so they cannot pay) unfortunately schettino had one at the helm so they threw the cross blaming him, and the so-called bow was ordered and wanted by the company, on the captain (I sailed there with a schettino and I would also sail with the my family and young children) ps. a normal official takes over ten years to get the degree how does an Asian in a year to learn everything I have studied? This beyond the normal schools, and then they did not even know how to lower the lifeboats, the abandon ship signal, the whistle code, organize the meeting points etc etc indeed the only thing they did not have to do was, that is they were very good , that is, the first to escape, without helping, took the place of women, old people and children, some of the Asians even took the place of the travelers pushing them away, an Italian judge wanted to organize a meeting between all those who investigated and all the companies to ask this serious problem of panic, cowardice and violence on one part of the crew, but as it was later discovered how they are trained no company participated. ps, to avoid the figure of the ignorant peasant you should read the whole news and how it turned out, you are a lout.
No ship is "unsinkable"
Amazing documentary as always!
I had my 10th birthday on the Ruby Princess. The crew made it very memorable! I had a great time. Except for weird men that would stare at us while we were swimming in the pool it was a great trip.
Yo henn follow me on twitter @1freshnic
By the way you seek attention ( telling us about your 10th b'day When literally no one asked or cares) are you sure you weren't doing something similar in seeking attention in the pool?
Dynamic Solution Yea because a 10 year old knows she’s being watching in a pool because what she’s doing- not that she’s in a swimsuit and the males could be just weirdos.
And I was sharing my experience.
If you didn’t care you’d have kept scrolling. But you cared- you had to throw in your quick jab at me because some feminist upset you today or in the past few days.
Piss off with your negativity.
@@dynamicsolution8166 What the fuck? Go pick a random argument somewhere else bro
But he was saying there’s no reason to mention that the 10th birthday thing isn’t seeking attention but talking about the pool and stuff there’s no reason no one here cares and it was for pity and attention
yall forgot about the wilhelm gustloff, and the dona paz, by far more loss of life then the titanic
Not the point, though. Documentary is about major changes to safety regulations affecting physical who design and the disasters which spawned the changes. "Don't be at war" and"really don't hit oil tankers" isn't a design modification. Not forgotten, just not relevant.
To prevent ships from sinking, they must have good water tight doors.
but dont forget one thing. those watertight doors and BULKHEADS must also LOCK when a disaster strikes. and not being blocked by trash or things used to store right in front of the doors.
Scandinavia Star decorating people- "Hmmmm, I'm rather fond of this plastic paint colored hue called Zyklon B. What do you think Fred?"
i worked on the scandinavia star when it was called Massalia with croisieres Paquet ( Marseille Dakar run)
Did you feel the ship was safe? or did you se it, as an unsafe work place? Srry for my english.
Wait. Holy shit. I think my parents have sailed on the Ruby Princess multiple times. How cool!
I love the quote from titanic best when the designer says "I can assure you madam, if a boat's made of metal it can sink!"
what time?
@@iamwisdomsky I'm afraid I don't have the Dvd anymore, sorry.
swagmanandy did this guy genuinely ask you what time a person said a specific quote In like a 2 1/2 hour movie
@@AquaticSCP "Yup."
swagmanandy xD
9:37, that man I know, Joseph N.Westwood, forgot about him but when I saw this, it reminded of him
Judging by the CRT monitors everywhere (only one flat screen), this documentary was not that recent.
Maybe before the Costa Concordia.
The other problem with Cruise ships is the infection rate amongst those on board.
First It was Norovirus Now Sars Cov 2 or Covid 19
2008 you can tell by the Roman numerals at the end. Which mystifies me why Stena Explorer got on there as a revolutionary new design, she was in service 12 years by then and Stena were urgently looking to replace the HSS fleet because they were so expensive to run. Great design and much missed, but not cutting edge at the time.
8:56 this guy can do Italian and British accent in one sentence.
how to make a ship unsinkable
step 1: don’t make the statement that it will be unsinkable
Aer Lingus have taken your advice. Few people know that they have not had a crash of serious injury in flight for more than 50 years.
However due to the Irish superstition, they will never use it in any form of advertising.
Step 2: Don't promote head of security to captains.
Am I the only one who recognized the song that is on the end of every unsolved episode?