I Read Fourth Wing by Rebecca Yarros...

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  • Опубліковано 26 гру 2024

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  • @sodastraw
    @sodastraw Рік тому +93

    Wow as someone with EDS this type of portrayal is disgusting and actively harms people. I spent my childhood and early teens trying to push through and do things that were dangerous for me because of this kind of rhetoric coming from adults in my life (parents, teachers, scout leaders. etc.) Not only did it teach me that my pain doesn’t matter and I don’t deserve to rest but it also further damaged my body and I believe it sped up the progression of my condition (EDS is a condition that gets worse over time). Instead of teaching people that disabled people can just “be positive” or “not let their disabilities stop them” we need to be realistic and respect that some people have different needs than others. I’m still trying to learn how to stop thinking this way as it’s deeply ingrained in me but as I’ve started to respect my limits more, my quality of life has really improved! Ironically, the more I rest and take care of my body, the more I’m actually able to do with it!! Educating myself and the people around me has been crucial for this change and I’m extremely lucky and grateful to have so many understanding, caring people around me, but I worry portrayals like this will increase the ammount of well meaning but ignorant people. Especially when there’s so few portrayals of these disabilities in the first place.

    • @sodastraw
      @sodastraw Рік тому +13

      Also I forgot to say I really appreciate you seeing what was wrong with it and calling it out!!! It makes me so so happy and gives me so much hope when I see people pointing out stuff like this!! :DDD

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +16

      Thank you so much for sharing your experience. I’m glad to hear you have good people in your corner and you’re learning how to show up for yourself too!

    • @kgal1298
      @kgal1298 Рік тому

      I mean people do realize the writer herself also has the same condition right?

    • @jackrichardson9863
      @jackrichardson9863 Рік тому +4

      @@kgal1298 She does, but that doesn't change that this is a bad portrayal of a disability for so many reasons in the slightest. It simply means that Yarros's motive for doing so is probably more complex than the simple thoughtlessness that went into her use of Gaelic.

  • @taylorgayhart9497
    @taylorgayhart9497 Рік тому +122

    I have a chronic pain condition that makes it so I can’t work out like other people, and let me tell you, people *DO* constantly say things like “diet and exercise and cure you!” Or “you can do it, you just need to work out like _____” and then proceed to tell me something I’ve done it can’t do. It’s frustrating. This book is frustrating.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +27

      Thank you for speaking on that. I don’t have experience with it and so I wasn’t sure what to say. Just knew it felt wrong.

    • @lindseyhintz7359
      @lindseyhintz7359 Рік тому +12

      Same! I don't have Ehlers-Danlos and didn't want to comment on that but I have chronic pain condition as well and have spent so much time being told that exercise, diet, and sleep will fix my pain. And it felt like this book was going in that direction of if you just work out and work harder, it will fix your condition.

    • @ajmatt574
      @ajmatt574 Рік тому

      You guys realize the author has EDS, right?

    • @sakurablossoms94
      @sakurablossoms94 Рік тому +11

      @@ajmatt574 And? I know people with chronic pain who use natural remedies and swear by them while I have to use prescription meds. And guess who always gets stigmatized in this situation? What works for you doesn't work for everyone and saying that spreads misinformation.

    • @PirikkoP
      @PirikkoP Рік тому +4

      I've heard it all before. My personal favourites are: "Have you tried taking a daily walk? That should really help you!" or "I know others with the same illness and they don't make a fuss like you do!"

  • @rachelrosen
    @rachelrosen Рік тому +64

    I tried reading it and what took me out was the dialogue and the premise. It could’ve been a conscription situation instead of the mom forcing, and like the government doesn’t see her disability as a reason for exemption so she has to join.
    Loved your video :)

  • @CúánCrafts
    @CúánCrafts Рік тому +48

    The disability the MC has is Ehler-Danlos Syndrome, a genetic disorder that affects soft tissue collagen. There are a number of subtypes and even within subtypes it varies from person to person. But most people experience some degree of joint hypermobility, joint dislocation and chronic pain

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +11

      Thank you so much for taking the time to inform me. Appreciate you.

    • @CúánCrafts
      @CúánCrafts Рік тому +5

      @dfretter no worries, as somebody with EDS I'm always happy to spread awareness

    • @marytreaty9357
      @marytreaty9357 Рік тому +4

      I don't have eds but I have another type of hyper mobility and lossy goosy tendens and it surprised me that the mc is " so frail, pale, petite, and weak" yet all her injury are cause by like getting her arm pulled out of joint by someone. The more you dislocate the easier it is I constantly have to pop things back in place by simply running or sleeping and find it weird there's no random injuries

  • @amaeve1950
    @amaeve1950 Рік тому +22

    I am with you on the despising someone and yet being inexplicably attracted to them. It doesn't make sense to me. I can meet a person and realize that, yes, this person is objectively attractive, but ppeople become more or less attractive based on my interactions with them.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +5

      Thank you! I’m glad I’m not the only one.

  • @marytreaty9357
    @marytreaty9357 Рік тому +7

    Hey i also fluctuate in the same rating range ive read it twice now, because it gaslit me into thinking i missed something and nope. I think the reason its so popular is seen by how people describe it. "Its reminiscent of the hunger games, divergent and eragon. The love interest is like acotar. Yada yada" but thats all it is. Its more vague of flavor than LaCroix

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      That’s a good way to put it!

    • @jackrichardson9863
      @jackrichardson9863 Рік тому

      Even worse is that I've seen no shortage of people who are saying it's good just for the most shallow and honestly bad representation in it.

  • @nonenone4862
    @nonenone4862 Рік тому +26

    I bought this book on audible without knowing anything about it except dragons. I got absolutely jump scared by the detailed sex scenes.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +5

      This comment is so funny. I agree the sex scene’s pretty jarring.

  • @weirdandproudofit1
    @weirdandproudofit1 Рік тому +33

    Coming here from Rachel and got to say, loved this video and hope you do more book content if that's something you want to do

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for watching! I think I will do more book content.

  • @BlankPageEmperor1334
    @BlankPageEmperor1334 Рік тому +17

    I came out of Reads With Rachel's review, and into this one, feeling like at least two drafts (or at least outlines/treatments) of the book had been smashed together haphazardly to form the final, published version. Now I'm leaning even more in that direction after hearing your thoughts. Thanks, actually. 😅

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      You’re welcome! Thanks for watching.

  • @brightwatcher3757
    @brightwatcher3757 Рік тому +4

    Your analogy about gourmet food vs a little Caesar’s pizza was PERFECT.
    I really enjoyed this look at Fourth Wing! I haven’t read it yet, but I kinda want to. I group it in the same place I put “chick flick” or certain “action” movies. We can’t only have documentaries and “elevated” media. Solid review and thoughts. Felt like I got a casual writing lesson too.👌🏻

  • @lulucool45
    @lulucool45 Рік тому +5

    you popped up on my recommended under rachel's vid - your chill vibe and soothing voice is just what i need while sick in bed 🤧😴❤

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for watching! I hope you get well soon ❤️‍🩹

  • @reneewhite-francis6287
    @reneewhite-francis6287 5 місяців тому

    I enjoyed your review and the perspective you used to put forth your thoughts about the book. What struck me in particular was your point about some readers expecting books to deliver a gourmet experience rather than a fast food experience. This touched on how I feel about Fourth Wing and books like it; I'm reading for fun and entertainment rather than to have a literary experience akin to any text we deem canonical or worth studying. I find it important for myself to make this distinction when discussing books or recommending them so that the expectations are appropriate- so I just really enjoyed that you teased that idea out during your analysis.

  • @mos_world
    @mos_world Рік тому +4

    If you want a pretty cool dragon riding school book with a cool human/dragon dynamic, I recommend To Shape a Dragon's Breath by Moniquill Blackgoose. It came out earlier this year and I enjoyed it a lot, it has some wonderful commentary on colonialism, classism, and who should have access to power/education.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      No joke I bought that a couple of days ago!

    • @mos_world
      @mos_world Рік тому

      I hope you enjoy it!!

  • @Garrison_the_Barbarian
    @Garrison_the_Barbarian Рік тому +5

    While I’m not physically disabled, I am mentally and neurologically disabled and I too am sick and tired of the “push through the pain” rhetoric. I believe the name for that is “Inspirational Porn” and that sounds about right. They’re called disabilities for a reason: because they take things away from us and sometimes they DO get in the way of our progress. I appreciate you calling out ableist bullshit, D. You don’t have to be disabled yourself to have an opinion about injustice.

  • @ReadswithRachel
    @ReadswithRachel Рік тому +24

    Lmao I was harsh I won’t lie though

  • @SarasBooked
    @SarasBooked Рік тому +11

    The comparison to Little Cesar’s cheese pizza is killing me 🤣 spot on

  • @LibraryFairy762
    @LibraryFairy762 Рік тому +4

    This is such a good review, I would love to hear more of ur thoughts on other books too - hope you make more videos like this!

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому

      Thank you so much. I am planning on making more book review videos in the nearish future.

  • @Thenoobestgirl
    @Thenoobestgirl Рік тому +8

    The dialogue was a classic case of the butler and maid opening scene at the 1st act of a play

  • @sunshinebuze
    @sunshinebuze Рік тому +2

    I love Reads with Rachel! Glad I got to find you through her :)

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому

      She’s so great! And I’m really thankful she gave me a shoutout.

  • @writermichelletoro
    @writermichelletoro Рік тому +12

    I really enjoyed your review! Totally agree that the world (and absolutely cringey dialogue) bent around the plot in the worst way. But overall it was a fun ride for me haha. Never before seen your channel but I’m def a new subscriber!

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +2

      Thank you for subscribing and sharing your thoughts!! I’m glad you had fun with this book.

  • @jaijaiwanted
    @jaijaiwanted 7 місяців тому

    This is actually funny af bc almost every thing you mentioned in this video all makes sense later on when we find out more. Good video tho, I just finished iron flame and a lot of answers were in that book as well.

    • @meiimacca4054
      @meiimacca4054 2 місяці тому

      @@jaijaiwanted it really doesn't

  • @AjCamreaBunnyLoveStories
    @AjCamreaBunnyLoveStories Рік тому +2

    Would love to see more content like this from you! Very clear-cut and authentic

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      Thank you so much!! I’m working on something:)

  • @madisonrose42019
    @madisonrose42019 Рік тому +2

    great review! i watched rachel and marines’s reviews last night and after seeing the trifecta of amazing critiques, i definitely won’t be picking this one up haha. immediately subscribed!

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому

      Thank you for watching!

  • @CanisSubwoofus
    @CanisSubwoofus Рік тому +1

    I’ve never actually watched booktubers unless my friend watches them in front of me on her tv, but I’m really enjoying your two reviews so far and can’t wait to see more 🎉

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      Thank you!! I’m glad you’ve enjoyed so far!

  • @amychurch
    @amychurch Рік тому +8

    All of this 100%! I was intrigued by the book, then saw who the publisher was and the authors backlist and thought maybe it could be a fun 3 star maybe? And then went through the torture of actually reading it 🥴 truly jealous of the people that found it fun lol

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +2

      Oh I don’t know nothing about this publisher lol I shoulda looked into that.

    • @amychurch
      @amychurch Рік тому +3

      @@dfretter they published that Crave series that looks like a Twilight knockoff… so I definitely wasn’t expecting a masterpiece lol

  • @pauieeepau
    @pauieeepau Рік тому +7

    I get what you mean about turning your mind off to read/watch something you would usually deem badly done. I enjoyed the Wednesday show, but I have a mental list of things I'd change about the show to improve it. I guess we can qualify these media as junk food lol.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +2

      Yeah and who doesn’t like junk food amirite? I have a TON of media that’s my junk food 😅

  • @lorifrederick2367
    @lorifrederick2367 Рік тому +7

    This book came into my life at a perfect time. My Mom (86 yrs old) had a knee replacement. She was on the unit for 10 days and in the rehab unit for 12 days. Im the one whomalways has a book in my hand. Between multi trips up to the hospital and catching up on stuff at home while working part time, i didnt really want a book that needed alot of brain cells. It was easy to pick up and put down. And yes, i got sucked into the preorder for the sequel, because i have to know what happens next! My Mom is doing great now. Happy to be home. Now i am immersed into Brandon Sanderson series 😊

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +2

      I'm glad your mom is doing great! And it's good Fourth Wing was a good companion during that time. Enjoy reading Sanderson :)

    • @KeithAShieldToy
      @KeithAShieldToy Рік тому

      If your reading taste consists of this and Sanderson I don’t think you read very good fantasy with skilled prose.

    • @lorifrederick2367
      @lorifrederick2367 Рік тому +4

      @@KeithAShieldToy well that is quite insulting. One with impeccable manners would ever criticize reading choices of fellow readers. One should recognize that a reader makes their own decisions on what to read.

  • @suzannewdowik
    @suzannewdowik Рік тому +3

    I've watched a few reviews on this book, but this is the first one I've seen after reading it myself 🤣 (I listened to it on audiobook as well). I ended up rating it 2.5 stars. I enjoyed enough pieces of it to not rate it below 2, but it was NOT well-written in many aspects and it didn't make me want to pick up the sequel.

  • @YasminBook1
    @YasminBook1 Рік тому +1

    I hope you do more book content. I really enjoyed your review!

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому

      Thank you!! I am planning on making some more book content.

  • @taeoppa04
    @taeoppa04 Рік тому +3

    I actually really value this review!! Immediately subscribed :)) still weary about reading this book tho 😅 i normally don’t like extremely popular fantasy books that are trending on booktok 💔 maybe I’ll check it out one day!

  • @nebula8799
    @nebula8799 Рік тому +1

    when i first saw the book blowing up i thought it was a bit interesting, the thing that ultimately made me not want to read it was finding out the ml supposedly nicknames her 'violence.'

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      Can confirm: he does that and it’s so annoying

    • @nebula8799
      @nebula8799 Рік тому +1

      @@dfretter I seriously do not get the obsession with giving unique pet names / nicknames when the classically used ones (love, honey etc.) can hit just as hard

  • @kenzashenna
    @kenzashenna Рік тому

    Regarding the special tree she likes to climb; it's been 2 months since I've read it so don't take my opinion for 100% but as I recall she climbed the tree to get berries for her poisons? And not for leisure.. And that Xaden, having conspired with Brennan etc, directed the meeting there on purpose so she'd here about the revolutionary efforts, and even hid her with his shadow magic from the other ppl there

  • @DeniPlans
    @DeniPlans Рік тому +1

    Totally agree! But I am one of those who love it for the entertainment value not the literary value or the eye makes sense value lol😂

  • @unhingedwoman
    @unhingedwoman Рік тому

    I am so torn bc I hated it, and had a lot of the same issues that you mention but I also have FOMO and want to see what the sequel is like. Seems like from your review of the sequel that it doesn't really improve, though lol.

  • @samantha.donovan
    @samantha.donovan Рік тому

    i absolutely love and adore fourth wing, i have no problem loving bad books cause escapism, but i completely agree with what you've said lol great review!

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +2

      My taste in movies is kinda trash so I get what you mean. I’m glad you love the book tho. Nowadays escapism is necessary nowadays.

  • @eduardocod8924
    @eduardocod8924 Рік тому

    I actually did like how the students were just dying, because it added a lot of tensión, and unpredictability. But yeah you do have a point

  • @notsoberoveranalyzer8264
    @notsoberoveranalyzer8264 Рік тому +2

    Book recommendation:
    Don Quixote.
    In this age of information and loneliness ( especially with the multiple year lock down).
    That the average modern citizen, spends a good majority of their day, every day deep in fiction.
    ( be it media outlets, that intentionally lie. YT personalities that do the same for views. Gaming. Movies. TV shows.)
    I think this should be called Generation Don Q.
    It’s genuinely amazing how this book written hundreds of years ago, is so applicable today.
    ( a man who spent all day, every day. Reading books inside. Lost his mind. And went out into the world.)
    It’s a fun book on its own, but conceptually is just an entertaining conversation to have.

    • @notsoberoveranalyzer8264
      @notsoberoveranalyzer8264 Рік тому +1

      I’m very very dumb. I’m absolutely dreadful at articulating/communicating my thoughts in a short, concise way. But I hope the general concept is being conveyed.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому

      Ayy I don’t think you’re dumb. Thanks for the book rec! Hope you have a good one ✌🏽

  • @707sevyn
    @707sevyn Рік тому +2

    I gave it 3 out of 5 stars - i enjoyed it but it wasn't amazing

  • @tayter_chip
    @tayter_chip Рік тому

    I listened to the audiobook and the book was definitely ✨not good✨but really all I wanted was a longish, entertaining listen and this ended up being it. It was definitely super cringe inducing at certain parts and also every part of the book where Violet was faced with some dire situation, I knew she was going to overcome it just fine because she’s the MC and we still had so much book left (plus the rest of the series). I do wish she had to put in some effort, it felt like things were just given to her the entire book. It also felt like the disability rep was pretty bad and was her just white knuckling it throughout the entire book. This book definitely wasn’t a masterpiece and it had major flaws, but it kept me entertained and didn’t require many brain cells to follow the story, which is what I wanted when I read it. Plus the dragons were pretty cool.
    Edit to add: the whole “onyx eyes” type descriptions in the book absolutely killed me and felt like how my friends and I wrote stories in middle school 😂

  • @another_youtube_bot4400
    @another_youtube_bot4400 Рік тому +1

    harry potter and sarah j maas thrown in the same pile. damn I got whiplash from that.

  • @Missangelblanco
    @Missangelblanco Рік тому +1

    I think people turn off their brains when reading this book, I keep rolling my eyes. I swear I saw my brain back there. BTW Violet it's too similar to Daenyris from GOT, but Violet it's not a good character and it's horny af

  • @mandy1170
    @mandy1170 Рік тому

    You should read the Throne of Glass series. 😊

  • @dadrienedavis
    @dadrienedavis Рік тому

    Do you read Historical Fiction novels? My book "Four The Culture" (about the Greensboro Four) will be out this month and I hope you'd be interested in reviewing it if I sponsor the video!

  • @Evelyn_Okay
    @Evelyn_Okay 7 місяців тому

    Books like this would be a CW show

  • @GloriaZThompson
    @GloriaZThompson Рік тому

    Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on this trash novel. I was dipping my toe in fantasy and I was shocked by how bad this was and why so many love it.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому

      Thank you! I was shocked too.

  • @KeithAShieldToy
    @KeithAShieldToy Рік тому

    I agree with your review except I’d give it a 1 star

  • @TheNamariel
    @TheNamariel Рік тому +6

    I don't know if it's my aro ass but I also do not find people I hate attractive 😂 if I hate you I hate all of you, I make it, you know. A whole Thing. Full service hatred

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      Gotta be thorough with hatred 😂

  • @visenya8
    @visenya8 2 місяці тому

    The height thing is "interesting". I'm coming from a country where 6ft is the average height for men. So at 6ft 4 you're tall but definitely not "towering over everyone" tall. My boyfriend is actually taller than Xaden and even he is not towering over everyone. And I don't even understand what's the obsession with height in these books: the girl has to be teeny-tiny and the guy - a giant.

  • @jackrichardson9863
    @jackrichardson9863 Рік тому +1

    If it weren't for how juvenile the prose was, I probably would have seen this as bland and forgettable. Instead I felt like this woman was horribly insulting my intelligence and got unreasonably angry at the book.

  • @mercycunningham2813
    @mercycunningham2813 Рік тому

    To honest I enjoyed your review more than Rachels. I used to like her but recently I unfollowed her. Now I like a “mean“ bookreview if it points out actual flaws. Unfortunatelly I noticed a tendency to make fun of the autors wordchoices. To me those words are selfexplanatory and Rachel looks very petty. Or imho outright dumb. Like whats her problem with the word shoot/shot (sorry not a native speaker)? It's to modern? I'm sure Robin Hoods arrows levitated througt the air. This and afew other things realy turned me off from that particular reviewer. For Forth Wing, havent read it yet but it seems to be intended for a grown up readers who like new adult. So there is a chance I might like it. I'm cooling my heels till Julian Greystock finishes her in dept readalong.

    • @dfretter
      @dfretter  Рік тому +1

      If something a reviewer does or tends to do really turns you off from their videos that’s totally valid. You can follow or unfollow anyone you like. That said, Rachel and I are friends. So I am not the right person to talk to about you don’t like about the way she reviews things. Also while I don’t get caught up by word choice as much as Rachel does, I have made jokes over some choices in other reviews. So I also might not be the reviewer for you.

    • @mercycunningham2813
      @mercycunningham2813 Рік тому

      @@dfretter You seem to be a real relaxed guy. I commented what my problem is at Rachel's, too and was probably over explaining. I watched some of your videos and I've liked them so far. Cudos for the Iron Widow video btw. I get books that hit to near home.

  • @novareadsthings
    @novareadsthings Рік тому

    thank you for your sacrifice in listening to this 🫡 but really, i appreciate the nuance added to this!! if you do more book related content, i'll be watching for sure