The VERY Messed Up Origins™ of Corpse Bride | Folklore Explained
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You missed a very important part of the story of the finger that when bride is dying shira Felt pity for her “She knelt over the remains of the corpse bride, hugged her, and mumbled and sang a promise: “Don't worry, I'll live your dreams for you, I'll live your hopes for you, I'll be your children for you, I will have enough children for both of us and you can rest in peace. ”She also promised the funeral bride that she would never forget her. With her bones in her arms, she went to the river bank and carefully buried them there, with the wedding dress arranged and the wedding ring on her finger. The corpse seemed happy, as if she knew her wishes were being granted. The young bride then married her groom in a solemn ceremony and they lived happily ever after. The story of the funeral bride was always told to all of her children and grandchildren so that it would not be forgotten. I like this Folklore that it shows the two women supporting each other. It a very sweet story
That's honestly very wholesome :)
this is so beautiful.
That is ridiculously sweet
I wish they had included something like this between Victoria and Emily in the film. Like have her recite the promise to her as she’s turning into butterflies.
Agree with your first points but want to add: "back in the day" men had a problem of not taking marriage seriously. And it seems like these stories were a warning against that.
I also feel like the end of Corpse Bride there was a moment where Emily realized how happy Victoria would be with Victor and that the she and Victoria were alike in their love for Victor, but the two living lovers had a chance to have a full happy life together. Hopefully, because the laws of the living (or victorian England for that matter) don't apply in the land of the dead they made a nice throuple when they met again. Or at least remained good friends.
"they were smacked in the face with a tree branch, killing them."
Me: *who has had their fair share of tree branch bitch slaps* "I feel their pain."
Well cant blame the tree for smacking them because they were were sleeping with " HER" husband
@@kristinwiebold2433 I love how all the husbands were basically like "it's just a prank bro!"while the corpse brides/demons were all like "nah come clap the dust out these boney cheeks!"😂
I have a cousin that got his head stuck on a tree when we were kids. He had to get staples. He had a really cool Nike swoosh scar on his head after that.
@@MargaritaOnTheRox lol if his name was Harry that would be friggin awesome
@@MargaritaOnTheRox I have a scar on my forehead but I got it from slidin' on a rug &hittin' a corner it's small but noticeable but only a small line
"I can give you seven minutes." I laughed way too hard at this one.
And then he fed her grapes and brushed her hair..
@@KarmicDread lmao!
Omg same. I was dyinggggg/ no pun intended.
I was having a nice bowl of chicken noodle soup. I missed shooting a noodle out of my nose by the narrowest of margins :D
7 minutes in heaven
Corpse bride came out about two years before my baby brother passed away, I was only around 5. Corpse bride meant so much that it became my first special interest. It helped me not view death as being a bad thing, just a change. It means a lot to me
That was probably the intended purpose of that tale! ❤
that's beautiful that you were able to take get so much value out of the movie during a dark and confusing time in your childhood. I'm sorry for your loss Max
@@JonSolo 😱 OMG! I am your big fan. I even skipped my study times to watch your videos. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 You are soooooo amazing.
@@mariatrinitymya8618 dude wrong time
I love how you interpreted the film at such a young age. That's very cool and pretty amaizing
Corpse Bride just has to be one of Tim Burton’s best movies.
I have to agree I love this movie
For me it second next to nightmare before christmas
Ikr
I hated the fucking end of that movie.😭
Yessss 👏👏👏
Ok but imagine the kids from the second story going to school and drawing their family and the poor teachers having to listen about mommy, daddy, and tree mommy that daddy visits in the night
Tree mommy helping with homework.
i lost it at tree mommy LMAO
@@catandrobbyflores "They didn't teach algebra THIS way in the underworld!"
They’d see “tree mommy” as the other woman the teachers would.
Tree mommy,that sounds kinda cute
I like the first story and how the pastor took what the dead bride was saying seriously and there was a meeting to settle everything. While they were trying to fix the situation, pastor should have asked the woman's name so they could see if she had been murdered like the corpse bride or if it was something else. But it was also good they buried her properly. Glad the groom got in trouble for not taking his vows seriously.
I mean seriously who jokes with wedding vows??
Who jokes with wedding vows?
Have you seen the divorce rate these days
@@siege824s8 But that's the modern day
In those olden days, wedding vows were TRULY sacred and never to be taking lightly, so it kinda makes sense that the Rabbi wanted to hear the corpse bride side of story and properly give a good verdict to the situation
@@anez1266 wrong about that divorce was extremely difficult to get - so you were kinda stuck with what you got . Their are many examples where men found ways to ditch their wife - one being where technically not legal but was allowed where a man would sell his wife like slaves - it was typically a degrading process for the woman he'd usually sell her as cheap as possible.. one power woman have is if the husband asked for her back she could refuse and very few came back , because even if the man paid 2 pennies for her atleast she wanted her .. close to maybe 60 years ago it was extremely hard to get a divorce and wasn't uncommon for grown men to marry 14 year old girls .. my Gammy was married at 16 - you just needed parental consent and she didn't stay with him .. if you look up the laws most states still say it's legal . I reccomend you don't look it's awful they can be as young as 12
Also it was a Rabbi not a pastor to complete different religions
That like calling a Mexican person Chinese
@@siege824s8 Sorry for my ignorance 😔
The thing about the Corpse Bride isn't that he wasn't taking the vows seriously, or playing a joke, he was practicing because he was super nervous, and placed a ring on what he thought was a tree branch. It's like people who try to say a speech in front of a mirror, or rehearse in their mind what they're supposed to say. With that said, I could agree that this was LOOSELY based on those stories, but the intent or actions that lead to them wasn't anywhere near the same.
Correct! The morale for the movie is definitely not the same as the stories. I never said it was, but many seem to be confused and think I did.
@Symphony Night She did kidnap and hold him hostage so of course Victor was using her to get back.
@Symphony Night no one said the moral of the story was different. No one was even saying that he wasn't being rude. We're saying that the moral intent with the vows SPECIFICALLY were different. In the story, he was saying it as a joke, which was wrong to do as they are sacred and should be taken seriously at all times. In the movie he was simply practising because he was nervous and just so happened to practice by the tree where the Corpse Bride was buried. So in fact in the movie it would be considered null and void cause forst of all she's dead, so death had parted them already. And second of all, the vows weren't reciprocated by her and were not officiated by a Priest/Rabbi so they weren't official to begin with, a fact that I'm surprised wasn't mentioned in the movie.
@Symphony Night also, as with him being rude, he absolutely was being rude. No doubt about it, he used her and ignored her and dismissed her very often in the beginning of the movie. But it's sort of understandable. Not to be used as an excuse or justification, but it has reasoning. I mean, this random woman that's halfway decayed and buried beneath this seemingly normal tree that you just so happened to practice your vows in front of suddenly comes to life and claims to be your wife and drags you to the literal land of Death. This all happens the day before your wedding, of which you are not emotionally or physically prepared for. I think his actions and overall attitude during the film were understandable as they were pretty much a reaction to a somewhat traumatic event and really it was the Corpse Bride's fault to begin with. Especially given that all of that was done without his consent or knowledge in the first place. And he atleast decided to properly apologise to her after he realised he hurt her and was even willing to marry and die for her to make her feel better. So while his actions were wrong, the reasoning behind them were rather understandable.
Why is everyone arguing over a cartoon? Seriously, wtf people? Can't you guys just all watch a really good cartoon without throwing shit at each other in UA-cam comments?
Corpse Bride is one of Tim Burton's underrated movies. Nice to see somebody besides me actually remembers it 👌
I like it too, the story is interesting and the soundtrack is great
i worship this movie
dam, tim burton is a legend. the claymation really boosted the theme factors of it.
@@crunchybubblewrap iv written fanfics of this movie
Underrated?
Most of the people I know who love Tim Burton have said that Corpse Bride is their favourite movie.
I just love all of his movies. I couldn't bring myself to pick a favourite.
If I recall my Jewish/Eastern European traditions correctly, the idea of becoming a "Lilith's daughter" derives from the concept that when a girl dies unmarried and without children she has died in a cursed state. Because of this she spends her unlife tormenting others with her anger and vengeance, taking their children and trapping those who don't take the traditions seriously. Like the Celtics banshee, she is viewed as an avenging spirit, but not evil. She IS the reminder to reverence the continuity of generations and that everyone, no matter who, deserves their place in the line. As to the English vs Jewish/Eastern European traditions, older pre-Christian traditions linger. With how widespread the tradition of marrying off the dead was and still is it's not a surprise that someone like Tim Burton would make a movie about it.
Lillith reminds me of the Hindu goddess Khali.
@@WeRNthisToGetHer Or the Egyptian goddess Sekmet, who by coincidence also has the lioness as her animal companion/representation.
Lilith was Adam's first wife. Few Christians know this but Jewish scholars know of this.
I find it interesting both stories have a pre wife. That wife is not suitable for a living man.
@@barbarahouk1983 I personally like to to see it like there is a villain Eve vs a Hero Eve much like Spider-Man vs Venom kind of thing.. or in Egyptian tradition Isis as Hathor vs Sekmet
Huh not saying your wrong by any means just wanted to get that out of the way first. I always though it was tied to the fact that lilllith has so many children like mother of demons and all that. Or to the consept of lil (I definitely spelt that wrong forgive me) the thing there pretty sure Lilith was based on.
I think this are the morals of the Story
Story 1. Be careful with paying Jokes in wrong moment at the wrong time. There are moments you cannot play certain jokes and show respect.
Story 2. Be clever and learn how to approach conflict instead of been evil with the Demon and burning her tree, she Wife negotiated and was kind to her until she decided to leave.
Story 3 don't get married, it leads to disaster
I'm really happy you covered a Jewish folktale. It's always really nice and interesting to learn about more stories from my people, especially when it's so rare to see it covered in the first place.
aw no problem! there are so many incredible, but lesser known stories from other cultures that deserve the spotlight and I try to give it to them!
@@JonSolo I have a request um can do the messed up origins of Echo? I think you already did that but I really love your videos and I'm a big fan of Greek Mythology.....you don't have to though I understand....you must be very busy
@@justinabakugou5813 There is one of Narcissus, if you're interested. He's one of my favourite figures in mythology so I jumped on that video right away.
@@SaschaV okay😇
I interpreted as almost a hierarchy. The land of the living symbolizes as the upper class, living the life of luxury, and the middle class, working for a living. And the land of the dead symbolizes the proletarians and the immigrants struggling to make a living.
I was an adult when Corpse Bride came out and I found the concept actually terrifying. Also, claymation upped the creep factor of that movie.
Supposedly one of the animators had nightmares due to how the animation process was done with facial expressions.
9:26 Ah, yes; the “It’s Just a Prank, Bro” defense.
I haven’t seen _The Corpse Bride_ but after watching this video, I might check it out. I also don’t mind more wholesome _Messed-up Origins™️_ videos.
I wish everyone a happy thanksgiving tomorrow. If you don’t celebrate thanksgiving, I wish you a pleasant day nonetheless
Only this time it was a legitimate defense lol
It's on Netflix
The corpse bride, is a good movie. One of the best in my opinion Tim Burton has created.
@@Alizai_clynx it's not on mine, they only have it in certain places.
Happy Thanksgiving!
The finger!
I like that in these tales the dead bride wasn’t a antagonistic villain.
Exactly! The poor thing was just unable to let go! :(
@@Logitah yep.
👉🏼🖖🏼👈🏼
true still shouldn't try and force people to marry you though. also, the finger.
"I am owed an hour of pleasure with my husband"
"Best I can do is 7 minutes"
Fricken died XD
His Living Bride: ummm......wHat?
If I recall, some variations give the back story on the corpse bride. She was killed on her way to what would have been to meet her promised groom and buried in a shallow grave. Also in some variations Shira actually mourns for the corpse bride and promises her that she will never be forgotten and she and Reuven will always tell her children and grand children about her so she will never be forgotten.
Apparently it was common for Antisemites to specifically seek out jewish brides and kill them to prevent procreation amongst Jews. Gives the bride's instance on being remembered a whole other dimension.
Awesome job and excellent parallels! For the movie specifically, Emily's backstory also reminds me of an old American ghost story based on a haunted spot called "Emily's Bridge". In the 19th century, Emily is a young woman who falls in love with a handsome man who asks her to marry him (in most versions, he convinces her to elope). They would often meet at a special bridge that runs over the Golden Brooke and they make the bridge their meeting place before running off together. Emily goes to the bridge at the appointed time, but her beaux doesn't show up. There are different versions as to what happens next-stricken with rage and heartbreak, some say Emily either hanged herself from the bridge, threw herself from off said bridge and drowned herself or drove the horses drawing the cart she is sitting in, crashes them into the Brooke and kills herself in the crash, or the possibility that she was murdered. Legend says that her ghost haunts the bridge.
I remember reading a tale about a bride running away to marry a rich man, who then kills her in the woods. I can’t for the life of me find the story.
@@bambicrandi Wouldn't be surprised if it was the plot of some old murder ballad.
Yes! This story occurred in Vermont, my home state. It's always wild for me to hear all these stories about origins of the Corpse Bride and see no one mention this story, especially since it's a true story AND her name is Emily! How could it be based on anything else? :/ Hope to hear someone talk about this story soon.
Turns out he was just running late.
The meaning I'm getting from the stories is that you shouldn't let your past relationships infect your current / future relationship. ...as in the ghost of your past spouse coming between you and your new bride. The "ghost" could also be secrets that come out just before the marriage.
No ghosts here. Just completely obsessed stalkers, that think they can ACT like they have stalkers. 🎤
I'm with you on the morals being taught. Promises are one of the most serious things in Jewish culture, and breaking promises only leads to misfortune and pain. There are enormous sections of law regarding promises.
Corpse Bride always touches me everytime. Glad to know its origins. Also, Happy Thanksgiving🧡
I would hate to have a Corpse Bride touch me. Too clamy tbh
I wish I was Corpse Bride..
The first time I heard the title Corpse Bride is a short story I read in my elementary school library. The story was in Spanish titled La Novia Muerta which could've translated to Corpse Bride, Dead Bride, or Dead Girlfriend since the Spanish word for bride and girlfriend are the same. I remember thinking it was an odd story as a kid. I read it out of curiosity for the title but I didn't see any dead people. It was about this guy who fell madly in love with a girl who wore a scarf that I could sworn was purple 24/7. They were happily married but at some point the girl fell ill. Doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with her until they suggested the scarf she always wears tightly around her neck it's what causing her pain. Her husband pleaded with her to remove it but she refused and asked to be alone. A little after the doctor and husband leave the room she removes the scarf and her head falls off her shoulders and lands on the floor next to her bed. Her eyes close, her pain gone and finally at peace. The story then just ended. It shocked me, but made me realize why it was called Corpse Bride. I haven't been able to find that story ever since. The closest version is The Girl with the Green Ribbon. When the Corpse Bride movie trailer came out I thought about the story from long ago but the movie was very different and I've never heard of the versions Jon just mentioned. Really interesting.
I read that one but it was called the purple ribbon I think.
@@catandrobbyflores yellow ribbon
@@shepherddog1199 that was it.
There's a claymation short in youtube by Sally Barnett & Steph Whitworth called The Girl with the Yellow Ribbon that's based on this story. Go check it out, if you haven't!
@@Kiiriminna I just did. I swear anything can look creepier in claymation. It was only missing the horror music. 😅
Burton knew that Depp and Bonham Carter would be perfect for these rolls, their chemistry and individual vibes really MADE each and every one of his movies imo. I love both of their work dearlyyyyy
Idk why I cackled so hard after the groom said to the bride,” I got 7 mins” 😂😂😂
I haven’t watched the full thing yet but I know this is gonna be a good one.
The movie is my childhood favorite, im telling you its a really good movie
@@stellacondo9334 I love that movie as well but as a kid I was sad she was dead
Been a huge fan of Tim Burton's movies ESPECIALLY corpse bride so damn I'm super excited for this one rn
amazing! thanks for watching :)
Consummation actually was an important part of the process. It's part of the reason the wedding sheets were displayed on the morning after; not only to verify that the bride was definitely virginal, but also to show that the deed had been done. Non-consummation was considered grounds to dissolve the union, as was a pre-contract. So Ruben definitely had a case, though the corpse bride did too.
I remember a rabbi visiting our high school health class to talk about his faith's customs and traditions. (We had a priest, a minister, and a rabbi visit us. Unfortunately, none of them walked into a bar.) He explained that Jewish wedding receptions, in the past, had a room off the area where the couple was expected to do the deed right away, since the marriage wasn't considered legal until it was consummated. He said that Jewish newlyweds still retired to this room for a time out of tradition, but these days, it was more for, "What did the Cohens get us?"
@@jenniferschillig3768 Bit creepy sounding that ritual. Nowadays, that's none of the rabbi's, the parent's, or the community's business. Bluring the lines of privacy.
@@PongoXBongo Wasn't just at Jewish weddings where things like that happened. Christian weddings also had 'bedding ceremonies' where the couple were stripped by their guests and put in the bedroom together. Royal couples had witnesses.
I honestly love Burton's version and Emily will always be a favorite to me especially bc she died without ever actually having a marriage or live her life of a wife. And it's very sad for that poor woman
She’s Dead.
So… we just gonna skip the art where Jon said “might as well grow out my pubes” 😂
You have heard of no shave November
@@mkaylor121 nah but I heard of no 🥜 November
YT definitely wants us to skip it, so thank you for bringing it up!
@@mkaylor121 skip shave September
I love Tim Burtons movies and Corpse Bride another movie I absolutely loved is Edward Scissorhands. Believe me this movie is gonna make you cry for sure.
Shhhhhh
You Bad
The version of "The Finger" I read online (in the wake of The Corpse Bride's release) had a somewhat gentler ending: after the tribunal of rabbis had delivered judgement and the corpse bride had relapsed into death (lamenting that she would never know the joys of a husband, a family, and a long life), the living bride picked up her body and carried it to its new grave, promising the departed spirit that she herself would live that life for her and experience it all for her, which gave the dead girl's soul peace at last.
Somewhat related is a story that was part of a book called My Grandmother's Stories by Adele Geras, published in the 70s and republished in the early 00s with new illustrations. These are supposedly Yiddish folktales told to Adele by her grandmother--each one is framed by one of Adele's visits to her bubbeh. One of them is about a ghost bride, purportedly encountered by the ancestor of one of Grandmother's elderly friends. This bride died very suddenly, of a stroke or aneurysm or something, as she was waiting to be escorted to the chuppah. The groom mourned, but eventually chose another bride...only to have her call it off as she was visited the night before by the weeping ghost of the previous bride. Said ghost would haunt other brides-to-be, but Grandmother's friend's ancestor broke the curse by simply asking the ghost why she was crying. "I am crying because there is to be a wedding and it will not be mine," the ghost answered. Very reasonably, the bride pointed out that the groom was not the man she had loved, and the bride answered, "But I never got to stand beneath the chuppah, or hear the rabbi's blessing, or drink from the sacred cup. I could rest easily if I could at least be a part of a wedding." So the bride arranged it so the ghost, heavily veiled, would stand in for a willing member of the wedding party. This brought the spirit peace, though she did tell the bride that perhaps she would dance at other weddings now and then, to remind herself of past happiness. Grandmother concludes the story by telling Adele that at the wedding of her friend, the elderly lady who'd had tea with them and who was the descendant of that past bride, she'd spoken to a pale young woman whom nobody seemed to know and who'd never been seen before or since.
I've been searching for a specific tale for Corpse Bride since I heard it was from Jewish folklore and this did not disappoint! Well, except for one thing. I remember reading on a message board that the living bride promised the corpse bride that she would honor her through her marriage to their groom, and it's a shame that it wasn't a part of the original stories
I clicked so quick because the movie corpse Bride is my favorite Tim Burton movie . Excited to watch the video.
Everytime I see Gunther:
Gunther: Put me down Human. I don't know where you've been. Why do you touch my personage in such an undignified manner?
“The only two actors Tim Burtons knows who exist.” Lol 😂 best line ever because it’s true
I always found it especially touching how compatible Victor and Emily discovered they were leading up to the wedding. Then Victoria fighting for her relationship coupled with Victor being fair enough to die and be with Emily put her at peace to see love overcome the financial ties of arranged marriage. Learning the truth behind her death and seeing her fiancée reach his fate, gave the answers and comfort she needed. I notice that in the film and origin stories, the bride is so happy to find her groom, that even in her grim form she trying to show her excitement. Their antics to stop the living from having a relationship/marriage is because she is being denied hers. That's very understandable. I'm surprised the movie didn't find a way to include a joke about promised consummations of marriage and the lasting time argument. Maybe low hanging fruit, but still a comedic element that could tastefully be done.
Aww that second story is so wholesome
The Corpse Bride is so underrated!! It’s the best Tim Burton Film in my opinion.
@Noah Scheid it was okay
I’m Jewish myself, and I’m glad to hear some part of my culture told about and represented here. (If only I’d heard these stories in Hebrew school, I might’ve stayed there longer.)
Jewish culture Tells the best ghost stories.
I thought Jews considered spiritism herecy.
@@Katya_Lastochkanot exactly, we tell those stories to basically say it's not to be messed with. We do believe in the existence of mysticism.
Do you know the fungus, dead man’s hand?
The dead man’s hand appear on a tree or root that has been injured.
As the name implies the fungus appearance looks as if a hand is coming from the ground or tree.
I feel like the fungus has something to do with the spread of stories of hand coming from the ground .
That’s just my theory.
That could be absolutely true. That fungus does look like fingers, complete withe the nails
Elder after telling “The Finger” folktale: “So, what is the moral of this story?”
Child: “Don’t do the ‘ring on the corpse’ joke in front of two people.”
Elder sighs and proceeds to tell “The Tree Demon” folk tale
Child: “Oh I get it now!”
The elder raises an eyebrow
Child: “If the ‘ring on the corpse’ joke goes wrong. Just take her to court or bribe her with jam!”
Elder *gives up
Corpse Bride is one of my favourite movies. Emily is so gorgeous, she puts Disney princesses to shame.
DEAD GIRLS ARE NOT ALIVE.
In some forms of of old mysticism, demons obey contracts, and it would seem that the slavery bond contract of the old testament applied. After 6 years you have to free them for a year, and either make them a member of your family, or free them permanently, as a mutual agreement. Such things with all forms of demons and spirits are common in many folk legends about demons, though not consistent. There is even some of this in greek mysticism, but I think the times and terms are much different,
Corpse bride is one of my all time favorite Halloween movies! 💖
I never knew the inspiration behind it and I really appreciated learning that it’s not connected to something heartbreaking!!
Jon: "Granted, I've never heard of demons being that self-aware and willing to embrace change, but I've also never heard of demons being obsessed with jam. So, anything's possible."
-There is an idea that there are two types of demons: those that were created/began existing as demons, and those that were created/began existence as a benevolent being but became demonized through some tragic, typically self-caused, event. The latter, having known a benevolent existence, being capable (occasionally) of benevolent actions.
I think your fixating on the jam. It was the act not the thing.
Corpse Bride is a brilliant film. Didn’t know it’s origins so really enjoyed this video.
The story of The Finger reminds me of some Old Irish stories that are used to demonstrate points of legal precedent. This includes the earliest mention of Lucorpan (Leprechauns) in the 9th century Adventures of Fergus Mac Leite, preserved in a legal text
I love this movie! As a kid I didn’t get the chance to watch it right away when it was released in 2005. I had to wait until summer when school was over to watch it. I was visiting a family friend’s cabin in the woods of all places and got to watch it! After watching it I fell in love with the story and the character Emily. She was sweet and caring character that deserved better.
OMG Remains of the Day has been in my head all evening and I couldn't figure out why 😂 I freaking love this movie!
Jon can you do a video on Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Big fan of your vids keep up the good work
Would make a good Halloween video
The story may not be based on those horrific murders, but it's not a surprise that it might have resurfaced (pardon the pun) in the 19th century because of them. It's almost eerie how well it fits them! Also, in one version of "The Finger", the living bride pities the dead one after seeing her die again. The living bride promises that the upcoming marriage will also be the corpse bride's marriage and their future children are also her children. After that the dead bride can rest in peace.
Lol, Ha ha ha ha those words.
You can’t even GO THERE.
I thought that these stories' (relating to "The Corps Bride") morals are: 1. Don't play around about matters that are a big deal to others or it might haunt you for a long time, 2. Sometimes you have to accept the way things are in a relationship instead of expecting that relationship to go the way you specifically want them to go where pre-engagement is concerned, and 3. Always remember the fine print that come with the Marriage legalities.
The fact that I just finished watching Corpse Bride when the notification popped up
perfect! guess you don’t need the recap then ;)
Burton has always enjoyed creating fairy tales from ‘Nightmare before Christmas (which he wrote, but didn’t direct)’, Edward Scissorhands & of course adapting ‘Alice in Wonderland’ along with this beautifully crafted film.
I love the visuals, the performances, Danny Elfman’s score is hauntingly ethereal and I enjoy stop-motion. Jon should do more stop-motion films even if it’s not a Messed Up origin
As a jew, I thank you for, and appreciate a lot about this video. For mentioning Safed (in a time when so many question our indigeneity to Israel), for treating the stories with respect, for giving credit, and more.
Regarding pogroms, although the word has a specific origin, it happened throughout our history in the 2000-year diaspora. Look into the Farhud in Iraq, for example. In the jewish world, the word “pogrom” is used to describe any systematic murder/rape campaign against jews (if you’ve ever wondered why jewish people tend to look somewhat similar to the ethnic groups around them, that’s why: rape campaigns).
Also, the story of Lilith is technically not a part of Judaism. It comes from jewish mysticism and folklore, and it’s not mentioned in Torah. She’s briefly mentioned by Yeshayahu (Isaiah) in Tanakh, but no description of who she is or where she came from is given, and it might simply be a reference to a demon in Babylonian culture. The Talmud doesn’t mention her in the Mishnah (its core text), but does contain 5 mentions in the Babylonian Gemara (explanations of previous texts), which again makes sense as a foreign influence. As far as I know, the Jerusalem Talmud has none of those. Jewish demonology is mostly folkloric in nature, as a way for everyday people to explain the unexplainable, but rational schools of Judaism fully discard their existence, as everything was created by haShem, but demons wouldn’t have a (positive) purpose in the universe.
Thank you, no wonder I couldn’t find any real information on Lilith.
Another folktale involved a murdered bride and her finger was placed on the contribution dish and when her murderer reached his hand in the finger wrapped around his or other versions say the whole hand grabbed his and she was avenged. Love your channel!
I was really happy that a film was based off Jewish folklore because I am Jewish even though I never saw this film also my name is the same name as Reuven's bride
That's amazing! ❤ I'm really into folktales, so I'm planning to research scary Jewish folktales and ghost-stories more (got really into them after visiting Prague). I'm actually thankful for this movie, since it made people look into the original tale.
@@Logitah That's amazing
Good to see Lauren again.....at least she likes showing off your merch even if she doesn't participate in your videos.
My aunt loves every Tim Burton movie. I always watch them with her whenever I'm at my grandma's. I remember I would watch movies related like that when I was younger. The Corpse bride is my favorite so far.
I actually watched Corpse Bride for the first ever last night. That scene where Emily told Victoria that she's Victors wife was probably my favorite part of the film. I mean, that poor bastard. How would you even explain that?
I really loved how Jon made these two stories connect and it was just so well put together. I love how the corpse bride stopped him from poisoning himself cuz she knew that if she surrendered then she'd be set free. That's the impression I got. This was very touching and beautiful thankyou Jon Solo:)
Corpse bride is one of my favorite Tim Burton movies so yes I’ve seen this! I like the origins behind them, it’s really fascinating
I think the second story is sweet. Imagine the demon staying in the family through GENERATIONS
I love your channel so much John; kindly wanna point out that there is a difference between “according to Judaism” and “according to Jewish folklore”. Lilith is a later addition to Jewish folklore (like Middle Ages later)
Yes! The religion and the folklore are distinct.
It was actually from the first diaspora to babylon.
Definitely one of the best Tim Burton films but all are amazing ❤️ great video!
AYO I didn’t know you hit a mil! Congrats man!! Been here since the original name so it’s amazing to see you grow so big. You deserve it! Keep it up
Can we just appreciate the rabbi for a second, this dude just saw a rotting carcass of a woman walk up to him and bro didn't even flinch
6:35 the art with the kokoshnik is so pretty!! I've got Eastern European and Jewish ancestry on my mom's side and kokoshniks and other headdresses have always fascinated me.
O MY GOD!! I LOVE THIS MOVIE!!! I CLICKED SO FAST!😭🖤
Thank you for making a video on it Jon! 🥺🖤
I feel like that moral of the second story was 'don't let young children run around with their future wedding rings'. I mean, best case scenario they'll lose it. Worst, apparently, they'll marry a demon
Corpse bride is my favorite movie. i loved everything about it and I can never stop watching it
“He practices his vows with a tree”
OMG 😂😂😂😂😂
That's a different example for being in one Hell of a Jam !
As the official creator of the tiktok videos: BOOOOOOOOOOO
I heard an ending of "the finger" where the actual bride feels bad for the corpse bride after she throws a pity party for herself and drops dead again so she holds the corpse bride and says "I will get married for the both of us, I will have children for the both of us and I will be happy for the both of us"
Corpse Bride is one of my favorite movies, but I never knew it was based on folklore stories! this video was really interesting!
The Demon in the Tree story reminded me of this story I read in a Mexican book of legends (it's not super similar in itself, but it just brought up the memory). It's about this little boy visiting an old cemetery in Guadalajara with his mom. As they're walking, the boy notices a skull (idk why it was out instead of buried) and he kicks it. His mom sees him and scolds him, telling him he needs to respect the dead. The boy scoffs and replies "yeah, I respect him so much he's invited to my wedding". Years go by, the boy grows up, and falls in love with this beautiful girl. On the day of their wedding, a handsome elegant man knocks on the door, when the mother opens, he says he is an old friend of the groom and was invited to the wedding. The mother lets him in and calls for her son to come greet his guest. When the guy comes down, he is confused, because he doesn't remember meeting this man. The man gives him a big cynical smile and reminds him of what happened all those years ago in the cemetery, then tells him he is the man he kicked, and he's come to attend the wedding. The boy then has a heart attack and falls into a comma, never to wake up, and no one ever saw the handsome elegant man again.
It’s refreshing to have a “nice demon” sometimes.
Yeah apparently there are similar kinds of demons in folklore
I came here to hear about the messed-up origins of Corpse Bride, stayed because of the best add/sponsor break ever.
Happy thanksgiving; and I cannot wait for the lovely deals… now let’s deal… with the bride - have a great day!
I don’t know what you did different, but the production quality of this video is visibly higher than previous ones. Keep it up!
The way Jon said "Oi Vey!" and "Tusch" makes me miss The Nanny lol
I was in the process of saying the same thing you did regarding the moral of the story minus the part about burial customs. Hadn't thought about that part
Definitely learned something new with this video. Also thank you for the nightmare fuel from the second story's images.
Another very, very, satisfying watch. I just love to soak up each and every new information this channel could give. ❤️
Thanks so much for sharing! I especially like how you pointed out the importance of vows and customs. Great job on the Hebrew pronunciations too.
Thanks Jon, you made my day so much better!!!☺️👍🏻 Great Job on your videos!! Love your content! ❤️❤️
I fuckin LOVE this amazing movie
I think you do it justice.
Corpse bride has always been one of my favorites . It feels nice to learn of its origins and inspiration. Thank you for the great video 😍
That’s very interesting. I just recently watched the movie again (for Halloween) and it never occurred to me that it was based on anything other than Tim Burton’s twisted imagination. This was a really cool watch. I hope to see more interesting ones in the future.
Happy Thanksgiving 🍁🍽🦃 Solo Fam!! Also Jon I can’t wait to see more Messed Up Origins videos, and I have some suggestions.
Growing up I watched a HBO show called Happily Ever After A Fairy Tale For Every Child, where classic fairytales are told in different styles and cultures. From that show there are stories I never heard of before that and some I have. I thought you might be interested in a video on the ones I can remember like the Empress Nightingale, The Happy Prince, The Princess and the Pauper, Rip Van Wrinkle, The Steadfast Tin Soldier, Robinita Hood (Robin Hood) and The Golden Goose. I’m not saying you have to do any of this I just wanted to help and give you ideas for videos.
Still I love your content and can’t wait to see the next video. I hope you have a great Thanksgiving with your family Jon!!!
I’ve never heard of this book. Lilith Cave. Always interested to learn more about recorded early stories! Thank you!
This might be my favorite video you have ever done! Awesome job.
Been watching this guy since I was like 13 or 14, and I'm 19 now almost 20 and I'm delighted to see that Jon hasn't changed 💕.
Bro he got to brush demon lady's hair and feed her grapes EVERYDAY ??? Excuse me while I look for finger shaped trees 😩😩
Come hither…🌲🌳
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I know there’s far more differences than there are similarities between The Corpse Bride and La Llarona but the general themes are along the same vein to me. Both share the plot of resurrection in ghostly form to seek something lost to them. Although La Llarona (in some versions of the lore) voluntarily drowned her kids whereas The Corpse Bride suffered at the hands of another. Both died tragically with something that they felt needed retribution.
I have been WAITING on this this😩 no one else on UA-cam has really done a good video on the Corpse Bride
I read a story once about a demoness and she did, indeed, like jam.
I love some of the less typically horror details of this second folktale. A vengefully jealous killer demon may slowly become willing to talk after many small acknowledgements of toast with jam. After making a deal to spendan hour a day with the man she feels entitled to, she may eventually come around to the reason of the human world and retreat whence she came, presumably wiser. This is closer to the appeal of Corpse Bride, because here the monster of death turns out to be, if not completely reasonable, certainly reasoning morally and intellectually. That brings the monster a human complexity worthy, not just of fear, but of respect. It also implies that relating to the people and forces the terrify us in small, consistent, everyday ways can , over time, cultivate understanding and solve problems from both sides of deep divides. Anybody willing to interact with their demons for an hour a day, for the betterment of all involved, is living an accountable and honorable life.
Hiiiii
I love your videos!!
I've been waiting for this😭 Now the wait is over❤️
3:09 The Finger