Has this decision been Red Bull's biggest mistake?
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Sergio Pérez has been kept on for another year and he's been dreadful ever since. The driver is not up to scratch and as the other teams have developed their cars, the driver has struggled to come even close to the top 3. So have Red Bull almost conceded the constructor's title?
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Everyone knows he is there due to the sponsors.
I don't think any teams can afford to ignore the constructor's championship. Literally. It's the one that pays the most, and all the money goes to the team
What if they make more money from the sales Perez brings in latin america than how much they lose from not being first in constructor's?
Perez is more valuable than the constructors championship money.
Red Bull earned a reported $226m from sponsors in 2023, and $140m in prize money (2nd was $9m less) so they will likely lose more in sponsorship than prize money... but it's impossible to know for sure
Personally I dont think RB cares too much about the Constructors title, they are clearly falling behind in development compared to the other teams because you lose wind tunnel and CFD time the higher you place. The money lost to finishing 2nd or 3rd in the championship is insignificant to these teams. The top teams are worth billions, the CFD and wind tunnel time means performance and that's where RB is falling behind atm.
As far as Perez' performance, yes its off, but not that much really, the issue is that the other top 3 teams are all closer to RB now and Perez, as good a driver as he is, is not a #1 driver. I also think there is something not right with this RB right now and the team is using Sergio to "figure it out" on race weekends. He seems to start each weekend behind Max then gets closer but Max is the best driver in F1 right now and he's getting performance out of the RB that only maybe a couple others could. In Austria Sergio was pretty close to Max in the practice and the first part of quali, but for some reason RB always puts him out nearly last which can compromise the prep and flying laps for being rushed or not even getting a time in. This is a team thing not a driver thing. Also, with his race against Hulk in Austria, everyone's been trashing Sergio for not being about to out perform a Haas, well it's not that big of a stretch when you have a hole in the side of your car. Piastri took out Leclerc's front wing in turn 1 and Sergio's sidepod in like turn 4, all on lap 1.
Money is not a consideration. Before the cost cap, they were willing to spend considerably more to advertise their product on the top step. There's no advertising value in the conductors championship.
Something that Andy didn't mention, is that Red Bull do not have a single challenger for the Constructor's Title in 2024. They have 2 - Ferrari AND McLaren. (And even Mercedes have just stepped up.)
This is good for Red Bull in the Constructor's Championship, because Ferrari and McLaren have been taking points away from each other - preventing either of them from gaining ground on Red Bull in the WCC.
As long as Red Bull do not have a SINGLE challenger, one that is MUCH stronger than all of the rest, Red Bull have nothing to worry about - and can afford to keep Perez as their 2nd driver.
(It's not necessary for Perez to get 2nd in the Driver's Championship for Red Bull to win the Constructor's Championship - look at 2022. Perez was 3rd in the WDC, but Red Bull still won the WCC by over 200 points.
Even if Perez had finished 2 places lower in ALL his races in 2022, and scored 103 fewer points, Red Bull would STILL have won the Constructor's Championship in 2022!)
Excellent point. I think you hit the nail on the head.
True. But it's looking more and more like it could be McLaren if Piastri becomes a little more consistent
They don't care about the constructors it's always been about the drivers for red bull
Wrong. As you clearly saw in 2022 and 2023…RBR is definately aiming for constructors championship. But this year it’s a bit different cos the NEW 2026 car must be tested and developed.
They expect Checo to get back up to speed… and if not, there is a performance clause in his contract.
And becoming 2nd in constructors would give RBR more CFD and Windtunnel time …..which they could very much use from Jan 1 2025 to test the 2026 car….
It might be that becoming 1st or 2nd is equal fine by RBR.
More money, less CFD/windtunnel than the competitors or
Bit less money and more CFD/windtunnel time than they have had these last 3 seasons.
@@Redlingstein of course there going to say publicly that there aiming for it but I still stand by that it's no where near the top of there priorities if they get it great if they don't oh well as long as they get the drivers think about it as statedthey dont sell cars and the fan base gravitate towards the drivers
Since Dietrich died tho I suspect the constructors will have become more important due to the money side of things
That's probably the case for most fans. But for teams it's all about the constructors' championship because that is where the money comes from.
When it was Seb and Mark, those were different stories
3:56 I feel like Newey gets more credit than is needed. It takes so many engineers and designers to make that car work. Newey doesn’t do it all by himself. But this is one of my favorite f1 channels. So it’s ok
If Perez gets the budget in by being a can selling figure in his region. If money is not needed via the price money, they can get an advantage by getting 2nd or 3th in the constructors. This gives 5 or 10% extra aero testing. This is probably much needed for the new 2026 regulations.
Exactly
He brings more money with him than the entire WCC prize money. So the difference between ending 1st or even 3rd is irrelevant.
RBR know that. They expect Checo to get back up to speed… and if not, there is a performance clause in his contract.
And becoming 2nd in constructors would give RBR more CFD and Windtunnel time …..which they could very much use from Jan 1 2025 to test the 2026 car….
It might be that becoming 1st or 2nd is equal fine by RBR.
More money, less CFD/windtunnel than the competitors or
Bit less money and more CFD/windtunnel time than they have had these last 3 seasons.
Could this be strategic so they get more windtunnel time and cfd for the new regs in 2026 if they are behind the likes of mclaren and Mercedes? To give them more time.
Aslong as max is happy why upset the apple cart
Sad that Albon and Gasly were quick to get rid of. Money talks I guess.
No Marko doesn’t have much patience…unfort. They both fell short in performance and he didn’t want to give them more time. Marko decided on all seats for years…..
And Gasly also made himself impossible at RBR by his attitude within the team….
Yes, but after Perez RB realized the problem of the huge speed difference was not with Albon or Gasly but with Verstappen. They weren't closer to Verstappen than Perez.
Perez jus place holder for 2025
You forgot to talk about the money. F1 revenues are divided amongst the teams based on final standings in the constructors championship. Even Red Bull would want that few extra mill thrown their way.
I feel like the thai share holder wants perez to stay and so christian wants him to stay.
Could?
will
Redbull makes most of its money in brand partnerships and merch. They arent in the sport to "sell energy drinks". Its an investment to increase their brand value.
People have short term memories and they were raving abt perez but just like lando when the heat is on they dont perform and max is being flattered to decieve
That second driver option is tough for Red Bull. Perez isnt a top driver. Sainz was an option, but turned down by RB. I dont think he was a big enough improvement anyway. Russell and Norris are probably better of leading their teams, same goes whichever of Hamilton or Leclerc will top Ferrari in 2025. But Piastri probably has an easier time beating Norris than Verstappen in equal machinery, and the same goes in Ferrari and Merc. So Red Bull probably offer the worst second seat among the top teams, and anyone with aspirations of winning has better chances with another team. So their best options are in-house talents (I really want to see more of Lawson) or midfield team leaders, but I dont think Gasly, Albon or Hulkenberg are necessarily better than Perez. I'd have loved to see Alonso at Red Bull though.
My guess is this has something to do with the Max leaving rummors kinda going away Max or someone must want him in that seat but who knows
If RB promote Yuki then they got the Asian market instead of South Amerika, which i think he is more worth then Perez. Also he deserves a seat now
A lot of great points. But let me just jump in with a deep conspiracy here.
I think Red Bull might be giving up the constructors in order to get more wind tunnel time for the next season. Or maybe even to give McLaren a wind tunnel cut.
Imagine Max driving in a Ferrari one day. That would be awesome.
What so far every single channel and outlet has been missing - or maybe I am wrong, would not be the first nor last time - is that Red Bull simply do not want to risk (on top of the 4 reasons presented here) to be with TWO new drivers in 2025. Getting to the first race of the season without Newey, Verstappen, Perez?
I think it feels really unlikely, but I see where you're coming from. My view on Verstappen's departure would be that he would leave for 2026. I know Mercedes are holding hope for 2025 but I think he'd be crazy to leave now! Interesting point though, thanks for sharing!
It's crazy to think that Red Bull has won 13 drivers' and constructors' championships in the last twenty years.
I quite agree on your take on Red Bulls' focus on the constructors' title. RedBull try to keep Verstappen happy also because he is one of their biggest customers considered the number of cans he drinks 🙂 The best external option in my opinion would have been Nico Hülkenberg. He is fast and reliable, qualifies extremely well and most importantly has a good relationship with Verstappen.
I think that the only reason Yuki is driving there was because of Honda
I think you missed a fifth and the most important reason: There is a power struggle at Red Bull. Christian Horner’s retaining of Danny and Checo is all about having guys that are indebted to him at key positions in the organization. It is about political power, not performance.
I don’t think Horner cares about sales
Before watching, it's simple why Perez got his extension. Red Bull doesn't sell cars, they sell cans. For Ferrari, Merc, Aston, Audi, Renault to win the constructors is for the car brand. For Red Bull on the other hand, it's Checho's face on billboards all around south and middle America, not Max's. What they lose in a year or two in lost points in the championship is more than compensated by keeping him on until he retires and give him a Coulthard like live long ambassador role. It's commercial, they sell cans.
Spot on!
I can think of literally millions (💰💰💰) of reasons why Red Bull absolutely cares about the Constructor's Championship
The reason Perez underdevelops under redbull is the same every team with a huge disparity between 1st and 2nd drivers: a car with "driveability" issues. I.e. McLaren Ricciardo or Vettel and Leclerc at Ferrari
During the hybrid era Mercedes invested heavily in a car that worked well for both Lewis, Nico and later Valtery. On that front RB never shied away from making a car that directly correlated to only one of their drivers needs at the expense of the 2nd. If they focused on the constructors championship a new approach would be needed
What about the reason of gaining more wind tunnel time if they finishing lower than P1?
they couldn't be seen to do it so obvious as to literally dnf checo each week, but given they have all the excuses (as you've outlined) why its not a suitable seat for anyone else, and they can just do the rest of the season like this
It’s gonna be hard to win the constructors when one driver finishes 8th in the standings.
Horner said in 2021 he didn't care about the constructors championship. The WDC is where the glory is. Does anyone remember that Mercedes won the WCC in 2021?
They will win it this year as McLaren, Mercedes and Ferrari will take points off each other and they are too far ahead. In 2025 if it's one team against them then with Perez they are in trouble.
Have we ever seen a fight between perez and max or lando and piastri coz lewis and nico in one season was epic or alonso ham
This is not a why but a when. Awful.
Can we just stop pretending Perez did a good job in 2021? He blocked Lewis a few times in one or two races but hardly ever took a point away from Lewis. He was as far behind that season is he has been in any other.
Are you doing another video on Austrian GP? to be honest I think Perez was the least interesting story line this last weekend
Perez could also cost them the drivers title if hes constantly leaving max fighting 1v2 to other teams when it comes to race strategy.
They will never put a driver that can compete with max
How much will Red Bull lose from not being WCC?
How much does Red Bull earn from Mexcans and other South Americans who are fans of Checo?
Red Bull is an energy drink with a particular branding. The branding isn't to teams, it's to PERSONALITIES. So long as Max bags the WDC, they don't really care.
And with Newey gone, they can use the extra development time from NOT being first.
I still can’t believe they have left Perez in the top team. Swap him out with either Riccardo or Yuki, I can see either of them doing worse than Perez, and even if they are you will at least get a good head to head comparison of Perez with both of them.
Dont you think redbull has all the data obviously yuki and daniel arent quicker than perez!
I am surprised Perez kept his seat
The fact that Mercedes has won several championships had nothing to do with my decision to purchase one. I'm intelligent enough to realize there's almost no relationship between what George and Lewis drive and my SUV.
Everyone cares about the constructors championship: MONEY 💰
There's little benefit in winning the constructors championship.
Everybody looks like a fool next to verstappen. Nothing wrong with sergio
forget worrying about beating mercedes when he isn’t even beating the haas!!
RB is keeping underperforming Perez from ONE reason, only ONE reason: Sponsor money from Mexico. SAD. Pls Marko, kick out Perez NOW!
It's fine as long as perez brings more money than the constructor's title is worth 😂😂😂
Oh this will age so badly, Daniel is far better than Checo.
Checo is being held to be traded to Audi or Andretti.
Uhhh .... Red Bull does make cars.
Perez was holding up Hami in 2021, Bottas torpedo-ed Max from the track. Now THAT is second driver support.
Perez has always been an inconsistent driver, he's too lazy to be a F1 driver but it's a paydriver, nothing more.
Please... cut this nonsense of "Perez being popular in Latin America"...
He may be praised in Mexico, but here in Colombia I have yet to find the first Checo-fan...
Why would say a Venezuelan or Paraguayan suddenly support Sergio Pérez, only because he speaks the same language?
Total nonsense.
Just restrict your claim to "Mexico" and all is well.
Max did the Torpido dirty... took his job and his family
Kvyat cheated on Kelly during her pregnancy… so…it’s his own fault that they broke up.
Max is a great driver, but not a great person. His sportsmanship leaves A LOT to be desired.
Absolutely. Verstappen HATES it when his teammate beats him on track! (Unless he's had a DNF or a collision or some major technical problem preventing him from winning.) Max would not be able to calmly handle the situation Hamilton faced in 2016, when Rosberg was fighting Lewis for the title. The Red Bull garage would become a war zone!
Because of the Max Verstappen effect, they need a driver that is half a second behind him. And that's exactly what they get from Sergio. Any closer and Max will become Max of early 2023. Remember him? He was losing his mind that Sergio was in lock step with him. What happened after? Car development and setup went more favorably Max's way. And now when they Stop inventing setups for Sergio, he's fallen into the DannyRic McLaren zone, thinking about driving a car not racing.
Lol, lmao even
😂😂 oh you are such a Max hater 😂😂 your jealousy. Max won almost all races in 2023. Stop with your delusions.
@Redlingstein not a Max hater. I cheer for RBR every week. BOTH cars. But it was very clear what happened. Just stating facts.
@BuriedDutchman it's clear Max is #1 but he doesn't like ppl getting too close
I genuinely don’t think Max and Perez are driving the same car. The gap is way tooooo big, Max is great but he’s not 5-6 position ahead of Perez
😂😂 they use all the same spare parts, wings everything 😂 Stop being so delusional 😂😂 they have exactly the same car, the driving style and ability to adjust to the new car each season, THAT makes the difference. Checo is a average driver, Max is an exceptional driver. Checo 6 wins, Max 61. Max 40 poles. Checo 2. Skill is the difference.
every time they get asked these questions they always say it's the same car and just setup differences(or they share that only 1 car has an upgrade part that weekend and the other doesn't) so I'm afraid we'll never know for certain as long as we're not F1 insiders.
all that we can deduce is that the other teams are catching up and if they can slot in a qualifying gap because their cars have more pace than before then they can push Perez further down the order.
@@frankhuurman3955 they have to say that... I don't mean to undermine Max but the difference is telling. Show me a time in history where two cars have performed this vastly different, on top of it "underperforming" this much they still gave him a contract, the roughless RB that is known to change drivers after 5 races?
Because verstappen would start crying and get a mental breakdown
Oh your jealousy is showing 😂
@@Redlingstein be quiet nerd