Year 2027: Bike manufacturers: "59° Head Angle and 84° Seat Tube Angle should do it" Magazine testers: "Good geometry, but could be slacker up front and steeper at the seat" Bike Manufacturers: 🤦♂️
Pole bikes are getting there and they seem to be right!, I already have a playful trailbike with conservative numbers so I am curious about the long, steep slack low new bikes hahahaha, the comment made me laugh tho
Twinlock is probably the main reason I am only buying Scott. I have to pedal up to be able to ride anything where I live and I feel it helps tremendously not to bounce on the bike for 30-40 minutes at a time . To each their own I suppose. :)
That's exactly why i'm thinking about getting a Ransom. I live in a slightly mountainous region and there are definitely good - sort of - downhills around here. But those need a lot of pedaling. Also the lockout means that i could use the bike to visit my friend one town over, and my lazy ass would be more likely to go on sporadic urban/offroad adventures. Can you still put tokens in these forks and shocks or is that impossible? I like jumping around a lot so i'd love high/low speed compression/rebound for both.
I could not disagree more about the Twinlock traction setting, it makes my Genius climb MUCH more efficiently, especially on the punchy, techy climbs...and it already climbs well in the fully open mode.
You are talking about the calming effect of the shorter offset like one can think that the slack head angle makes the steering more vivid. Actually slackening the head angle makes the steering calmer too. I think designers choose this option because in this way they don't have to go crazy long with the front center in order to calm the steering down. They can achieve the same effect by slackening the head angle but that would create a longer front center.
If you listen to reviewers you will see that they all have a beloved phrase each season. For the models 2017 it was "aggressive tires and handlebars", 2018 it was "slack head angle and steep seat tube angle" 2019 it is probably gonna stay by "shorter offset to calm the steering down". Open any review out there and check it out ;)
Agreed. Scott ruined this bike by putting their lock out on that beautiful fork. That's a $1000 fork and they REMOVED technical features from it! WTF???
I like my twin lock, i hear the “pros” say they dont like twinlock but its really convenient, only other alternatives would be electric motors on adjustments hardwired/ wireless
I think the Twinloc system is amazing. I have the ransom 720. a downhill bike in open and totally comfy XC bike in traction mode. My trails are always mixed terrain, mellow to gnarly rutted hell... I put it in middle setting for every climb, switching dozens of time per ride. No way I would do that on a Capra or similar travel bike. I’m no expert but this bike is kush. I’m 6-1 on a large w 60mm stem would love to try XL but happy with the agility of the smaller frame plus upright position easier on my bad shoulder.
The original Ransom shock was not a pull shock though. I eventually swapped out to a Fox CTD because nobody seems how to service it even though DT Swiss took over the duties. I once struggled over 6 months to get it sorted properly.
It's not a pull-shock, it was a normal compression shock. The old Genius line used pull shocks. Geez, this is the second time i have had to write this somewhere. Cmon guys, it's not THAT hard to spot a pull-shock, or is it?
on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is a HUGE difference. How much difference would grip 2 make for the fork? because the one in the test seemed to be performing really well .. from watching on the computer ha ha. just curious
Got a '19 genius, and the traction mode is far better / faster on smooth trails and uphill. Can't understand why think it's not much different to open. Maybe because of trails you are on and the spring setup?
Agreed, the twin lock is a great feature for XC or trail use but not on an enduro machine. Bars look fantastic, bike looks very good. Wondering if there is a version in pig metal for the lower class people
I do not like the idea of the bars just the idea. The rear shock does not seem like a good idea. Over all the enduro bikes are getting big and they all go down good or great. What will set them apart is how they climb. One personal thing is how it fits each person something that has to be decided with saddle time and this is in no way a ding on the company.
@@Kev2Bee I have been testing a bunch of different bikes but after riding the genius and ransom I am EXTREMELY sensitive and aware of pedal Bob and I cannot seem to justify not having the lockout. I really like your idea of not completely locking out everything
@@Kev2Bee that's awesome! I'm still back and forth between getting a genius or a ransom. On the higher end models they are damn near the same weight, and you get an extra 20 mm on the ransom
It went together easily in less than an hour. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
Scott would have given them this bike to test and wanted them to test the top end one. The cheaper ones are largely the same, just cheaper, heavier and low spec running gear.
Good points about the Fox 36 and proprietary shock. I like the idea of this bike but would never buy Twinloc. Too many cables and if I am buying a Factory 36 I want the GRIP2 damper not some dumb bastardized climbing version. I also want a Float X2 or DHX2 out back. Heavy riders on long descents need more oil for consistent damping!
Depends on trails you ride. I ride road out to trails, then up road's often to get to the top of hills so it works perfectly. Far better than any other lock out I have seen. Cables aren't an issue either - they never get in the way so unless you think about it all the time you are going to ignore them.
I don't think line choice even matters :). I'm 210lbs and don't ride with any particular finesse and I've never ripped a Maxxis tire of any kind in more than 5 years. I don't get it.
Quinn Duffy I’m with you. Never ripped one ever not even on a hardtail. Some of these reviews are unrealistic and nitpicky on things that arent really a problem. All of a sudden the fork offset is a problem just because a few manufacturers are pushing this setting on their bikes all fork offset is is a tuning option, in the grand scheme of things it is but one piece of the puzzle in regards to handling
@@phantasma2323When someone has to eat chocolate cake in every form possible, everyday day, year after year I think it makes you picky, know what I mean? Maybe particular in what you believe is a proper chocolate cake or a cake that is too rich or a too dry, bad texture etc....I see moto reviewers do it too(except maybe Racer X). Plus most likely they're taking the test bikes to the same 5 or 6 locations to beat on. Maybe one of those test beds are unbelievably rocky with a shit pile of roots. But hey that's just my 2 cents worth, I go and eat my cake by the ocean.
hobmarg my trails are primarily rocky. Sharp edged rocks, along with shale and very rooty. Typical gnarly raw trails. Never had this issue. Im not a fan of maxxis tires in every situation but I’ve had other tires puncture or tear, never a maxxis tire
I have 2019 ransom 900. Afyer three months of use, the part that holds the shok to the frame has some slack and movement. Previously I had a 2018 930 Genius and have many problems with it. I used to be a fan of Scott. Never buy that again.
Twinloxk sucks. A third thing to have to pay attention to on the trail is too much. Maybe on long climb up with then just a down it would be ok. But on trails with ups and downs it sucks. I only want to have to think of two things when I’m at speed- shifting and dropper. And come on Scott, it’s 2019, design a linkage that doesn’t require a lockout to climb well. 44 mm offset unlike other bikes with 51mm. Huh? Most bikes with similar travel numbers have gone 44. The only ones still using 51 are XC bikes with steeper HTA. That’s because as you slacken the HTA you don’t want a huge offset bc the slack HTA already puts the wheel out there, so you can dial the fork offset back. And 29/27.5? Another outdated concept. Design a 29er or a 27.5/27.5 plus. 29ers trying to double as 27.5 plus don’t work well in plus setting. The linkage adjustments don’t make up enough for the difference in tire diameter. That was some bullshit marketing and nearly got me killed. After that I measured and did the math and figured it out. There’s a reason most bike manufacturers have moved away from this. Scott should too. I mean this bike looks great for 2017. But its 2019 and almost 2020 as I write this.
I love Scott bikes, but I would NOT even consider this bike with that TwinLoc crap on it! Why would anyone take arguably the best fork on the market, and REMOVE the compression adjustment?!! They basically turned it back into an old school CTD fork. Terrible idea.
Year 2027:
Bike manufacturers:
"59° Head Angle and 84° Seat Tube Angle should do it"
Magazine testers:
"Good geometry, but could be slacker up front and steeper at the seat"
Bike Manufacturers:
🤦♂️
Glad you caught that too. It's getting ridiculous.
yes retarded review ... they got nothing to say anymore.
Wonder how that would feel... How about a 55° HTA and a 90° STA?
Haha tru
Pole bikes are getting there and they seem to be right!, I already have a playful trailbike with conservative numbers so I am curious about the long, steep slack low new bikes hahahaha, the comment made me laugh tho
I swear every review says "this fork has a 44mm offset work, which is shorter than a 51mm offset found on most other bikes".
Schrute-Farms- I’m with you. I’d bet none of these riders (myself included) could tell the difference if they didn’t know before. But even then...
Twinlock is probably the main reason I am only buying Scott. I have to pedal up to be able to ride anything where I live and I feel it helps tremendously not to bounce on the bike for 30-40 minutes at a time . To each their own I suppose. :)
Then (if you had enough of scott) theres the canyon strive with a shapeshifter on it
I’m in the same situation I love it I have a spark 970 but Im gona be updraft the to the 2021 ransom 920
That’s also why im getting a a genius 650 as my first dually
That's exactly why i'm thinking about getting a Ransom. I live in a slightly mountainous region and there are definitely good - sort of - downhills around here. But those need a lot of pedaling. Also the lockout means that i could use the bike to visit my friend one town over, and my lazy ass would be more likely to go on sporadic urban/offroad adventures.
Can you still put tokens in these forks and shocks or is that impossible? I like jumping around a lot so i'd love high/low speed compression/rebound for both.
@@insanebmxthomas you can put the tokens in them still as they are air shocks
You can tune the lockout out on the fork through cable tension.
How can you complain about the fork during climbing and then say you want a more slack head angle
because locking out the fork on a climb is the most retarded thing to do unless ur out the saddle mashing pedals.
It only applies for steel head angle hardtails, completely pointless on a bike like this
steep
But a slacker HTA actually helps at climbing, atleast in my opinion - since your weight is more centered on the bike.
@@th_js haha hi Tomi :D
So I can just pull the twin lock completely off then?
Is it s "One Quiver" -bike? How doe sit compare to the Yeti SB150 and Santa Cruz High Tower LT?
I could not disagree more about the Twinlock traction setting, it makes my Genius climb MUCH more efficiently, especially on the punchy, techy climbs...and it already climbs well in the fully open mode.
Nice info guys, I would like to see a best of factory direct bikes such as YT, Vitus, Canyon etc. thanks
0:22 Is that lake contaminated?
You are talking about the calming effect of the shorter offset like one can think that the slack head angle makes the steering more vivid. Actually slackening the head angle makes the steering calmer too.
I think designers choose this option because in this way they don't have to go crazy long with the front center in order to calm the steering down. They can achieve the same effect by slackening the head angle but that would create a longer front center.
If you listen to reviewers you will see that they all have a beloved phrase each season. For the models 2017 it was "aggressive tires and handlebars", 2018 it was "slack head angle and steep seat tube angle" 2019 it is probably gonna stay by "shorter offset to calm the steering down". Open any review out there and check it out ;)
Hello pinkbike can you test the giant reign?
I would definitely help with my bikeants
Thank you
You dudes confutious. Similar bikes but different reviewers, different opinions... so I wanna hear what Kazimer says about the sb150 and ransom😜
i think this bike would be better with just a rear lockout lever and a grip2 damper with high and low speed compression and rebound up front
Agreed. Scott ruined this bike by putting their lock out on that beautiful fork. That's a $1000 fork and they REMOVED technical features from it! WTF???
I like my twin lock, i hear the “pros” say they dont like twinlock but its really convenient, only other alternatives would be electric motors on adjustments hardwired/ wireless
I think the Twinloc system is amazing. I have the ransom 720. a downhill bike in open and totally comfy XC bike in traction mode. My trails are always mixed terrain, mellow to gnarly rutted hell... I put it in middle setting for every climb, switching dozens of time per ride. No way I would do that on a Capra or similar travel bike. I’m no expert but this bike is kush. I’m 6-1 on a large w 60mm stem would love to try XL but happy with the agility of the smaller frame plus upright position easier on my bad shoulder.
The original Ransom shock was not a pull shock though. I eventually swapped out to a Fox CTD because nobody seems how to service it even though DT Swiss took over the duties. I once struggled over 6 months to get it sorted properly.
R u going to do a review on the new 2019 commencal meta am v4. 2 27 or. 29 or even a 27 vs 29
PB Field Test intro gives me life, give a raise to whoever made that
was the fox x2 they mention several times in 2019 more reliable or did it need a rebuild every second descend just like the 2020 and 2021? xd
It's not a pull-shock, it was a normal compression shock. The old Genius line used pull shocks.
Geez, this is the second time i have had to write this somewhere. Cmon guys, it's not THAT hard to spot a pull-shock, or is it?
Thinking on getting this bike should I?
I love love mine
Mine rips
When he dissed the exo casing I got angry 😂
Same
on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is a HUGE difference. How much difference would grip 2 make for the fork? because the one in the test seemed to be performing really well .. from watching on the computer ha ha. just curious
My dream bike
Great review Pinkbike,is it possible for you guys to review the Propain Spidrift / Thye ? Thanks
Got a '19 genius, and the traction mode is far better / faster on smooth trails and uphill. Can't understand why think it's not much different to open. Maybe because of trails you are on and the spring setup?
The trails you're riding make a big difference for sure.
do you have a review of the genius?
Agreed, the twin lock is a great feature for XC or trail use but not on an enduro machine. Bars look fantastic, bike looks very good. Wondering if there is a version in pig metal for the lower class people
Great work!
Where do you test the bikes? It looks like an amazing ride!
The Field Test took place in Whistler, Canada.
@J.P. Sayer That's BIKEMAG.
Planning on Field Testing the SC Hightower LT? Thanks
As it wasn't a new frame for 2019 we didn't include it, but we have reviewed it in the past on our site.
What pump is he using?
Awesome
Contradictory much
I do not like the idea of the bars just the idea. The rear shock does not seem like a good idea. Over all the enduro bikes are getting big and they all go down good or great. What will set them apart is how they climb. One personal thing is how it fits each person something that has to be decided with saddle time and this is in no way a ding on the company.
Love the twin loc on my genius 940. I've seen some other reviews and consensus seems to be twin loc isnt suited to the enduro styled ransom.
@@Kev2Bee I have been testing a bunch of different bikes but after riding the genius and ransom I am EXTREMELY sensitive and aware of pedal Bob and I cannot seem to justify not having the lockout. I really like your idea of not completely locking out everything
@@Kev2Bee that's awesome! I'm still back and forth between getting a genius or a ransom. On the higher end models they are damn near the same weight, and you get an extra 20 mm on the ransom
Cube stereo 160 C:62?
Incredible......
It went together easily in less than an hour. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.
can you ajust the rebound and the compresion as 36 grip 2?
yup!
@@pinkbike also Tokens? wondering about both front and rear.
Can you make reviews of some affordable bikes
Scott would have given them this bike to test and wanted them to test the top end one. The cheaper ones are largely the same, just cheaper, heavier and low spec running gear.
A much better review on Vital Mtb of this bike. And in general is a better site.
B Franco and they speak metric
Good points about the Fox 36 and proprietary shock. I like the idea of this bike but would never buy Twinloc. Too many cables and if I am buying a Factory 36 I want the GRIP2 damper not some dumb bastardized climbing version. I also want a Float X2 or DHX2 out back. Heavy riders on long descents need more oil for consistent damping!
Depends on trails you ride. I ride road out to trails, then up road's often to get to the top of hills so it works perfectly. Far better than any other lock out I have seen. Cables aren't an issue either - they never get in the way so unless you think about it all the time you are going to ignore them.
@@b-manz In my mind the point is, why would they take arguably the best fork on the market and REMOVE all the adjustment on it? WTF?????
Ransom or SB150?
I testen both. I was totally hyped for the Yeti but damn that ransom felt just perfect! I liked it bettler. Both dream bikes.
Sb 150
Tested both and bought the Ransom yesterday
Scott needs to watch this review...The twin lock is a total deal breaker for me and probably for a lot of people out there.
Never ripped an Exo. Line choice dude***
I don't think line choice even matters :). I'm 210lbs and don't ride with any particular finesse and I've never ripped a Maxxis tire of any kind in more than 5 years. I don't get it.
Quinn Duffy I’m with you. Never ripped one ever not even on a hardtail. Some of these reviews are unrealistic and nitpicky on things that arent really a problem. All of a sudden the fork offset is a problem just because a few manufacturers are pushing this setting on their bikes all fork offset is is a tuning option, in the grand scheme of things it is but one piece of the puzzle in regards to handling
@@phantasma2323When someone has to eat chocolate cake in every form possible, everyday day, year after year I think it makes you picky, know what I mean? Maybe particular in what you believe is a proper chocolate cake or a cake that is too rich or a too dry, bad texture etc....I see moto reviewers do it too(except maybe Racer X). Plus most likely they're taking the test bikes to the same 5 or 6 locations to beat on. Maybe one of those test beds are unbelievably rocky with a shit pile of roots. But hey that's just my 2 cents worth, I go and eat my cake by the ocean.
Where do you ride? Try running EXOs in the Whistler Bike Park, or even some of the rougher trails in the Sea to Sky and see how long they last.
hobmarg my trails are primarily rocky. Sharp edged rocks, along with shale and very rooty. Typical gnarly raw trails. Never had this issue. Im not a fan of maxxis tires in every situation but I’ve had other tires puncture or tear, never a maxxis tire
Every brand be like : More slacker HT, using 44 mm offset fork and shortern stem. We called "forward geometry" LOL
Bike as pictured $7500.00
It should be gold plated for that price
You can get cheaper base models with GX and aluminum wheels in most of the bikes tested and be just fine. Dream builds are expensive.
This is basically a norco range . numbers and suspension design are practically the same
I have 2019 ransom 900. Afyer three months of use, the part that holds the shok to the frame has some slack and movement. Previously I had a 2018 930 Genius and have many problems with it. I used to be a fan of Scott. Never buy that again.
Is this bike good for downhill
Cool
All that reviews of high end bikes we can't afford. Focus more on the low range and lots off people would be thankfull.
We did just that! pinkbike.click/valuebikes
love the bike, those bars though.... ugly as heck haha
edit: the bars do look like they let you have a SUPER short effective stem length though
There is no doubt that this a nice bike Fact. But it is not worth over 3oo dollars in anybodys world t/his review is also over done
Twinloxk sucks. A third thing to have to pay attention to on the trail is too much. Maybe on long climb up with then just a down it would be ok. But on trails with ups and downs it sucks. I only want to have to think of two things when I’m at speed- shifting and dropper. And come on Scott, it’s 2019, design a linkage that doesn’t require a lockout to climb well.
44 mm offset unlike other bikes with 51mm. Huh? Most bikes with similar travel numbers have gone 44. The only ones still using 51 are XC bikes with steeper HTA. That’s because as you slacken the HTA you don’t want a huge offset bc the slack HTA already puts the wheel out there, so you can dial the fork offset back.
And 29/27.5? Another outdated concept. Design a 29er or a 27.5/27.5 plus. 29ers trying to double as 27.5 plus don’t work well in plus setting. The linkage adjustments don’t make up enough for the difference in tire diameter. That was some bullshit marketing and nearly got me killed. After that I measured and did the math and figured it out. There’s a reason most bike manufacturers have moved away from this. Scott should too. I mean this bike looks great for 2017. But its 2019 and almost 2020 as I write this.
you totally misunderstood the purpose of this bike when you wish he should be slacker, longer, and had the fox x2 or piggyback ....
I love Scott bikes, but I would NOT even consider this bike with that TwinLoc crap on it! Why would anyone take arguably the best fork on the market, and REMOVE the compression adjustment?!! They basically turned it back into an old school CTD fork. Terrible idea.
Exo for kids?! Learn to ride and pick your line before blaming your tyres
they finally said it: Scott get rid of TwinLock
Для меня это просто техно порно!!1
Boring video. Interesting bike.