Race to recycle wind turbines in Denmark - BBC News
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2023
- When wind turbines reach the end-of-life they are particularly hard to recycle and many end up in landfill.
Wind farms have skyrocketed in the bid to reduce emissions but the waste produced by unwanted blades is a growing problem for the green industry.
One manufacturer in Denmark has had a breakthrough in coming up with a solution.
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I love Denmark. They do big things in a little country.
Copenhagen has a beautiful biogas plant in the centre of the city
I really like the idea of 3D printing houses with recycled materials. The implications are good.
Glad to know it is going to be simple chemistry of acetic acid. Acetates of so many things are very soluble in water, and acetic acid can easily be made from plants. The scaling up of recyling will therefore be commercial problems rather than technical or environmental problems. As Demark is the pioneering tiny country to adopt wind turbines on a large scale, they have a head start and an urgent need in developing ways to recycle turbines.
@christate3197 Either the acid works, or it doesn't. Are you claiming that the BBC & Demark's scientists lied?
Yes, the are next to useless. /s
Energy production in Denmark right now (google "ENERGISYSTEMET LIGE NU" for data):
"VINDMØLLER 4.905 MW" Wind turbines = vindmøller
"FORBRUG I DK 5.389 MW" Consumption in Denmark = forbrug i DK
@christate3197
Step 1: Demand a certain degree of recyclability before placing the wind turbines.
Step 2: create the financial structures to encourage the actual recycling
Products which aren't designed to be recycled will seldom be cost-effectively recycled. only downcycled. Things aren't hard, but there is simply no long-term vision.
Not sure how they are going to recycle the 1000 tons of concrete needed to stop them falling over. In most locations, they dont even create enough energy to cover what was used to make them.
@@Aspartame69We have been building wind turbines for 50 years, in Denmark. The first 20 years without government funding. Vestas, LM Windpower, and Bonus Energy (now Siemens Gamesa) all were created back from the beginning.
It would not have been possible to create this industry, if the turbines could not make as much power, as it takes to build them. Turbines are getting bigger, simply because they become more efficient, the bigger they are.
There are scientific papers out there, that has calculated how much energy, it takes to build a wind turbine. I don't remember the exact number, but it's around 3-4 years the turbine needs to run, before becoming a positive contributer. And wind turbines can work from 20-40 years, so they produce a lot more energy, than what it takes to build them.
You are misinformed, or a stupid conspiracy theorist.
@@akyhne Its amazing what is possible when tax payers money is pumped into a project. Here in the UK, 25% of everything i spend on electricity is handed over to people who build wind turbines.
@@Aspartame69 Wind power is already becoming so inexpensive, that it can beat coal. You're paying that money, for a common good, just like with the NHS.
@@akyhne Wind power has just collapsed in the UK, no investment proposals were made this year and will not be made unless they command 4x the going rate of electricity subsidised by the tax payer.
The problem is not the electricity generated, its when the wind is not blowing, backup has to be created, so all wind power is paid for multiple times over.
And the NHS? We have doctors going on strike while the NHS put adverts out for 240 new non-medical diversity jobs at a wage 2x the what doctors are paid. Publicly funded institutions, the NHS, and the subsidies of the green revolution are not viable.
So, if they are virtually indestructible why are they replaced?
Material fatigue over time leads to the eventual risk of critical failure. For safety's sake, the blades are replaced before failure becomes a real possibility.
@@JeffreyGoddininfo without sarcasm. Thank you, kind sir.
A matter of physics and scale. The larger the diameter of the turning circle, the more efficient the wind turbine becomes.
The mechanical elements in the nacelle wear out to the point they aren't economical to repair, and the structures are subject to erosion and corrosion. The blades are normally fine.
It is “almost indestructible”. Your answer lies in the almost.
Gotta love the Danes!
This problem is fairly small compared to other kinds of waste in our society.
But obviously it would be great to recycle wind turbines.
Correct. Naysayers complain about old wind turbine blades in landfill but have said nothing for years about millions of tones of plastic in the oceans that breakdown into mircoplastic and make their way back into the food system.
@@douglascutler1037not to mention re cycling coal fired and nuclear power stations, what about recycling coal that's been burnt, I suppose sending that up in smoke into the atmosphere means you don't have to.
@@metricstormtrooper The point is the net benefit of the power stations, wheras, turbines are almost entirely useless during the times energy is needed the most, and batteries that are required to make them feasible and an ecological disaster in and of themselves.
Lithium mining is insanely polluting.
At 5:07 "Now we've found a chemical process that can chew its way right through the epoxy". Okay, I'm not much of a chemist, but if you have a chemical that 'chews its way through the epoxy', that's going to create an awfully potent by-product. How potent IS it, and how do they dispose of it? Are they creating a new problem in the course of solving an older one?
Not into chemistry either, but report does say they dissolve the epoxy in acetic acid. A quick search reveals, some acetic acid is actually food grade (appears as an ingredient in a jar of pickle in my fridge). Glass fibres can be recycled. Bound to be some epoxyfied goo left over, but at least it's a start.
To add...having used epoxy many times when a fiberglass, laying up fiberglass like they show. I just have to say whatever process they are doing appears to be working based on that sample he shows. But absolutely the issue will be but how many toxins, or emissions, come from that process? Whatever it is, it looks like a positive breakthrough because wind blades are just the tip of the iceberg on composite waste.
Now on the flip side of recycled materials for reuse in making blades - getting that to be economic will be very interesting. For ex., silica, mine virgin silica is very low cost vs this process. But my expectation is, policy, laws, corporate charter regs will be for wind companies to use x percentage of this recycled material with low cost mined virgin.
I found this video presentation very interesting and entertaining. Thanks to all involved. Cheers Colin Cairns 🇦🇺
What happens with turbines after lifespan? With blades? Just replace generator and work further?
No one complains about oil refineries, or diamond mines. How’s the cleanup for those locations. What BS
We have some half solutions to use these retired blades in cement production or Repurpose them in bridge construction, furnitures, electric transmission poles, and playground equipment but the amount of these retired blades in future will be much more and we can't just accommodate them in just Repurposing solutions that's why we need complete recycling solutions and i am happy that Vestas and Siemens Gamesa are making great progress to make this reality.
Trully amazing
I've read that Vestas had put fourth a recycling process earlier this year ? given this report was also filmed in Aarhus i'm assuming it's this one
this is very informative 🙂
Just out of interest does anyone know what happens to the acidic solution after the blade has been in there? Thanks
I reckon they'd filter it and put it on hot chips.
They obviously dumb it directly into the sea..
Fantastic
3:14 the guy just touched fiberglass with his raw hands😵
And..? It's only glass(-ish).
@@oneshothunter9877 You can get some annoying splinters from finer fibres. Otherwise the other health concern is respiratory issues, but they're outside, so not a problem.
Oh no! He might get a slight rash!
Touching raw glass sheets is pretty harmless - its glass insulation that's the worst. But breathing in fiberglass blade sawdust - no bueno.
Recycle them into gummy bears. What a wonderful future our overlords have planned for us.
Other countries would love to have the old ones
Joooo I live near there?!
That's fine
Catamaran hulls?
I think when people are solving the same problems, using “race” to solve is a separation and not to unite, if the people can unite together to solve problems the problems can be solved faster.
I think that is more a matter of trial and error than a race.
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I could live in one of those blades or several .
. I could build a yacht. And use parts of other blades as sails .
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Great wind power and wind turbine. India must install more wind turbines. ❤
India must install toilets first😂
I am wondering about the By products that they are using to Dissolve the wings with , by the way take 5 mins and go through the posts to report the Amazon ( random annoying number ) posts as spam , we may get to see less of them ,
Why are so many videos polluted with irrelevant music..?
A bit of non news really. Even with Gen 1 blades the total weight of blades required to generate 2GW ( about the same as a large coal plant ) would be around 14,000 tonnes. Whereas a 2GW coal plant would burn 14,000 tonnes of coal - PER DAY !!!
the coal disappears, whereas the blades will persist FOREVER
Why is it "a bit of non-news"? This is cutting-edge science. What has your comment got to do with recycling turbines?
@@JogBirdno they are not. That is why they need replacement at some point and they could end up in landfills.
It was only really earlier generation blades that posed the problem ( and it wasn't really a large problem compared to what they were replacing - ie coal plants ). Recycling blades is old news now. We just need to crack on deploying cheap green energy at pace.
Coal has been a renewable fuel since the first tree fell thats where coal comes from
No, its not hard to recycle, they can be used to make cement.
I just knew that one of the fantastic UA-cam experts would soon be along to give us the no-bullshit facts. I had this strange feeling in my bones. We know it can be used as an ingredient in the making of cement because they told us so in the video. From the video, "one immediate solution is to chop them up and finally shred them; they're burned as fuel and used as an ingredient for cement production." How bloody spooky is that?
Fibreglass can be, but I don't know how it can be once it's been impregnated with resin
Recycle is when you use old turbine blades to make new turbine blades. Reuse is when you repurpose old turbine blade material in cement making. reuse is a one way process, it doesn't complete the circle in a cycle that would allow it to be classified as re-cycle.
Currently wind turbine blades are not recycled but their materials can be repurposed for other things.
@@longdang2681 nice clarification, i get it now
Nice news segment about Norwegian wind power.... what happened to British news? How many of these videos are about the UK? I see more news about the UK on DW, France 24, and TVP than here on the BBC channel...
Danish, not Norwegian. Denmark is practically Britain, at least it was 900 years ago.
countries already recycling wind turbines when mine hasn't even built it's first one💀
Denmark has been making wind turbines, for 50 years. We get more than half our energy, from wind power.
*Summary*
- 0:02 The test center in Northern Denmark is testing the largest and most powerful turbines, with the biggest one being 280m high.
- 0:05 These turbines are- Turbine machines are getting more powerful, with the largest reaching 280 meters high and breaking world records for power output.
- 0:34 They're expected to get larger, with the design turbine being 450m from ground to highest tip.
- 0:46 By 2030, wind power could supply a fifth of the world's- There are plans to create a new test center in Denmark for a design turbine that could reach 450 meters high.
- 0:50 By 2030, wind power could supply a fifth of the world's electricity.
- 0:54 The green industry has a waste problem, as turbines are hard to recycle when they reach their end of life.
- 1:07 While the steel in the towers can be reused, fifth of the world's electricity.
- 1:12 Turbines are built to withstand forces of nature, making them flexible, light, and super strong.
- 1:19 However, when turbines reach, the massive blades are almost indestructible and often end up in landfill.
- 1:31 By 2050, there could be 43 million tons of redundant blades globally that need to be dealt with.
- 2:00 Some creative solutions for reusing wind turbine blades include using them for bike sheds, playgrounds, the end of their life, they are difficult to recycle. While the steel and towers can be reused, the massive blades are almost indestructible.
- 2:18 One immediate solution is to chop up and shred the blades, then burn them as fuel and use them as an ingredient for cement production.
- 1:26 Many old turbines get dumped in landfills and by 2050, there could be 43 million tons of redundant blades globally that need to be dealt with.
- 2:39 Solutions- Turbine maker [Siemens Gamesa] has had a breakthrough, manufacturing blades that can be recycled using a resin called epoxy.
- 3:21 The blades need to be soaked in a big bath of mild acetic acid, allowing the different glass layers to separate from the blade.
- 3:50 The materials from these recycled blades could to recycling turbine blades have been explored, including repurposing them for other uses like bike sheds, playgrounds, bridges, and building cladding.
- 4:03 be used to make other things such as furniture, suitcases, and surfboards.
- 4:19 Researchers at [Aarhus] University have discovered a chemical process that gently- An immediate solution is chopping and shredding them to be burned as fuel or used as an ingredient for cement production.
- 4:22 Siemens Gamesa has developed breaks apart the components of the turbine blades, potentially allowing the fibers and epoxy resin to be recovered and reused.
- 5:28 These recycling solutions have potential applications in other industries such as aeronautics, space, and cars.
Disclaimer: I used the video transcript and GPT4 (and a lot of copy and paste) to make this summary. Manual edits are in brackets [].
2:39 ..lol ... Seaman Gaza instead of Siemens Gamesa
4:19 ..at Orus University instead of Aarhus University
@@nettcologne9186 I used the transcript and GPT4.
What about the bisphenal A forever chemical used in the blades? A known endocrine disrupter. The issue of particulate 'microplastic' matter coming from the blades themselves as they degrade and subsequent release of bisphenol A into oceans and grassland. The bigger the blades the more microplastics etc This is all surface and reeks a little of 'greenwashing' the issue.
how is 50 tons of ore for one battery that has a 7 year shelf life, that needs fossil fuels plus rare metals to be built, charged and maintained better for the environment?
You presume rare earth based energy storage is the only manner of storing energy. We have yet to figure out how to capture all the heat petrochemical consumption produces.
Heat pumps just became a thing. Everything needs to become a thing before people will accept it and fund it.
My, English is fun. You know a "Thing" was what English and Scottish lords called their annual meeting at that tectonic rift valley? Kids are saying drip now, as if it means flow, and presuming that acting like a simpleton is a part time endeavor.
@@Dam-a-fence < when the postbot outs itself.
How many tons of ore go to make the average petrol or diesel car ?
@@daneenmurf1043 50 tons just for a battery or 25k lbs during lifetime including building. Which is more? Or just another bot?
@@Cryaboutmyhandle 25000 lbs, so 12 ton of iron ore smelts down to make 1.5 ton of steel ? Where is THAT mine ?
People just don’t want to see these monstrosities scattered everywhere, same with solar. Go with Thermal/Hydro and Nuclear, power you can depend on!
Speak for yourself. I find wind turbines quite appealing.
Wind turbines are fine. The major issue with them is the noise.
I live within sight of three seperate windfarms and i like the sight of them. I really wouldnt want to live next to a nuclear power station. Would you ?
Millions have died from fossil fuels... Nuclear have _by_ _far_ a better track record@@nielslund641
How much energy is consumed to make these monstrosities? Really is ridiculous
Much less than what they produce.
It's like 3-4 years, then they are in the positive. And they can last for 20-40 years.
Could cut the blades shorter and use re-use them on smaller turbines? 😮🇬🇧🌈👍♥️
Probably not worth the bother.
bbc, make new windmills out of them
Are they Green really? Well the amount of concrete in the foundations is massive . Now remember this is the very reason dams are not green power yet in all the countries now running wind they have used more concrete than all the dams in the world. Sound untrue? A dam lasts 100yrs plus makes more power and can be almost fully recycled Wind cant come close to that as their looking at 20-25yrs
the lesson of evolutionary history is that species who adapt to change are more likely to survive them
if they are virtually indestructible then why replace them at all or just repair them
Go and try it out , then you find the anser most likely haha. My guess is = COST hahaha
Besides people constantly use words that does not ring 100% true to it's meaning now a days mate. How many times do you see the word "Impossible" used on UA-cam, and it showcases someone doing it . People are just misusing words now a days :P
It's the resin in the blades, that is almost indestructible, not the blades as such. They weaken and crack with time.
Fun fact due larg mass they need another power supply to get the blads to overcome the initial load IE Inertia before the wind arrive
Bit of a joke Clean and green. I don't think so
Alternative and intermittent yes
How is that important?! How is it different to how a normal motor works, for example?
Spell it out for you
Coal fired power to operate alternative wind system or it won't fnk turn due to bad blade design
Have you seen any one push start an aeroplane
Doesn't work
Doesn't have to be coal fired power.
How exactly are the blades badly designed? Think it has more to do with needing enough inertia to overcome mass and resistance, like friction in the gearbox.
Both cars and aero planes used to be exclusively started by hand. Now they have small kickstarts specialized in getting the engines going - the same concept as in a windmill.
A dynamo is essentially an engine in reverse.
@@garreysellars5525
@@fastertove «Both cars and aero planes used to be exclusively started by hand. Now they have small kickstarts specialized in getting the engines going»
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A silly syllogism. Behind cars and aeroplanes there are motors with fuel, so it is about igniting what's behind. On other hand the wind energy is constant.
But, but, but... I wonder if you are not able to grasp it, have fun to contradict, or are in charge to promote the wind-belief?
@nielslund641
I am a diesel fitter 45 years
I understand mechanical things
I have had 3 hour consultation with a wind energy engineer to propose installing these systems on my farm and for better understanding I ask a lot of questions
I didn't say they had a starter motor
Funny how on days with no wind they keep spinning 🤣
You figure it out
Haven’t they shown in Business Insider where they “recycle” turbines to make cement?
It was also mentioned in the video that it can be used in cement.
So much chemicals used to produce and breakdown fiberglass,, is the wind turbine really worth saving our enviroment?? bit like the electric car problem with metal batteries. ????
Why they don't just make the blades from aluminum like they used to do with aircraft wings? Much easier to recycle aluminum parts.
More brittle, more dense and harder to work with springs to mind.
@@fastertove Aluminum harder to work with that carbon fiber and other composites? If that were the case, why it's cheaper to make bicycles out of aluminum and carbon fiber frames require much more manual labor? Also airplanes typically have always been made out of aluminum and only recently composites have been introduced into the field, so seems to me should be easier to create some huge effin aluminum molds for the blades and just mass produce them. When they are at the end of their life or become damaged, just melt the stuff and voila and you can use it again.
Wind mills and planes aren't being stressed the same way, and you can't really use plates of aluminum. Technically, it could probably be done, if the lower efficiency is tolerable, but in practice the huge effin aluminium molds would be very/too expensive if it needs to compete with fossil fuels. Especially when building lower quantities of mills, which often is the case. Being pioneered in Denmark, a country without a natural source of aluminium might also have played a role.
Any way. Better to evolve the essential parts of the technology (e.g. safety and energy production) and fix minor issues later. The wings of wind mills doesn't seem to be a major issue in the larger scope of things. Changing to aluminium would likely be immensely costly, and I'm not sure it is really worth it atm. Besides, they are being deposited rather than thrown into a random landfill.
If it was possible, they would. It's not!
@@cyberfunk3793 But as we can see he resorts to the technique of talking senseless rhetoric.
The BBC will report on anything to distract us from what happened in Paris last night 😂
What happen lol
The BBC has a report on UA-cam that talks about nothing other than "what happened in Paris last night." Why would the BBC want to distract us from it? Some of you commenting here really should see a head doctor. You're not normal, you know. C'è qualcosa non va nella tua testa.
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I found this video a typical rah-rah piece with a lot of flashy editing and devoid of technical information. I want to learn the actual chemistry and thermodynamics facts about the cement kiln recycling. (2:20). What actually burns? Glass is primarily sand. Sand does not burn. Thermal decomposition is just going to burn off the resins and result in sand. What is the heat content of the resin? If FRP trash is added to a cement kiln isn't the result cement with sand already in it? That will increase shipping cost for the cement producer as their cement has a higher proportion of sand so the end user is paying for less cement in each tonne, ton, kg or pound of cement/sand mixture? In effect we're all to be charged for the recycling of wind turbine blades for every project that includes mortar or concete?
Bike sheds, playground equipment and surfboards? The "green" crowd are dementedly lame grasping at every straw to justify their existence. And an equally lame producer, director and editor of a hopelessly woke media giant unquestioningly believes that bit of lameness important enough to be included. Sad. Just plain sad.
You did catch that this piece by bbc is about processes that render cement kiln recycling obsolete right ?
@@felixbeutin8105 Have you been jumping the gun your entire life? "Processes that render cement kiln recycling obsolete". You state that as if the segments present things that are already perfected. The repurposings illustrated are essentially nonsense as only a statistically insignificant number of blades could be disguised in this fashion. The designed to be recycled blades segment completely glossed over both cost and life of blades using an epoxy less resistant to acetic acid. Mentioning surfboards as a realistic industry for recycling is laughable. The closing segment was a chip in a test tube. As usual with rah-rah pieces there was no mention of even estimated capital and operation expenses for an installation that can handle hundreds of tonnes per day which includes rinsing the solvent out of the fibers well enough that they can be reused.
The cement kiln is the only current workable "solution" but not just any cement kiln. Only certain kilns can use shredded blades. I recently saw another video that admitted there was a single kiln in all of Europe that could accept shredded blades. The entirety of green dogma rests on statistical spreadsheets that haven't gotten any of the many apocalyptic predictions correct in the roughly half century these statisticians that falsely claim the mantle of scientist make every few years.
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Start saving the earth before its to late..
We are not saving the earth. We are saving ourselves. Humans can go but earth will remain
How does the blade waste compare to global CO2 emissions? (4000,000,000 tonnes per year) BBC please highlight both sides of the story as you’re at risk of becoming increasingly biased towards anti-eco!
80 degrees Celsius? So they're going to need kettles the size of warehouses (you know the most energy hungry appliance in your house) and they will be powered by what? It won't be air turbines that's for sure.. to achieve what? material for furniture and surfboards?! They're having a laugh, better off using them as man made reefs like they do with tires and old ships, drill holes in them and place heavy rocks or tires inside unless this stuff is harmful to sea life of course, then just use them to make foundations for roads in a desert or something similar..
You should write your suggestions to the wind power companies. Maybe they'll give you a job.
Still better then oil companies.
all energy-producing machinery must be fabricated from materials extracted from the earth. No energy system, in short, is actually “renewable,” since all machines require the continual mining and processing of millions of tons of primary materials and the disposal of hardware that inevitably wears out. Compared with hydrocarbons, green machines entail, on average, a 10-fold increase in the quantities of materials extracted and processed to produce the same amount of energy. For a snapshot of what all this points to regarding the total materials footprint of the green energy path, consider the supply chain for an electric car battery. A single battery providing a useful driving range weighs about 1,000 pounds. Providing the refined minerals needed to fabricate a single EV battery requires the mining, moving, and processing of more than 500,000 pounds of materials somewhere on the planet . That’s 20 times more than the 25,000 pounds of petroleum that an internal combustion engine uses over the life of a car. Among the material realities of green energy:
Building wind turbines and solar panels to generate electricity, as well as batteries to fuel electric vehicles, requires, on average, more than 10 times the quantity of materials, compared with building machines using hydrocarbons to deliver the same amount of energy to society.
A single electric car contains more cobalt than 1,000 smartphone batteries; the blades on a single wind turbine have more plastic than 5 million smartphones; and a solar array that can power one data center uses more glass than 50 million phones.
Replacing hydrocarbons with green machines under current plans-never mind aspirations for far greater expansion-will vastly increase the mining of various critical minerals around the world. For example, a single electric car battery weighing 1,000 pounds requires extracting and processing some 500,000 pounds of materials. Averaged over a battery’s life, each mile of driving an electric car “consumes” five pounds of earth. Using an internal combustion engine consumes about 0.2 pounds of liquids per mile.
Oil, natural gas, and coal are needed to produce the concrete, steel, plastics, and purified minerals used to build green machines. The energy equivalent of 100 barrels of oil is used in the processes to fabricate a single battery that can store the equivalent of one barrel of oil.
By 2050, with current plans, the quantity of worn-out solar panels-much of it nonrecyclable-will constitute double the tonnage of all today’s global plastic waste, along with over 3 million tons per year of unrecyclable plastics from worn-out wind turbine blades. By 2030, more than 10 million tons per year of batteries will become garbage.
The extraction process of lithium is very resource demanding and specifically uses a lot of water in the extraction process. It is estimated that 500,000 gallons of water is used to mine one metric ton of lithium. With the world's leading country in production of lithium being Chile, the lithium mines are in rural areas with an extremely diverse ecosystem.
In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, one of the driest places on earth, about 65% of the water is used to mine lithium; leaving many of the local farmers and members of the community to find water elsewhere. Along with physical implications on the environment, working conditions can violate the standards of sustainable development goals.
Additionally, it is common for locals to be in conflict with the surrounding lithium mines. There have been many accounts of dead animals and ruined farms in the surrounding areas of many of these mines. In Tagong, a small town in Garzê Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture China, there are records of dead fish and large animals floating down some of the rivers near the Tibetan mines.
After further investigation, researchers found that this may have been caused by leakage of evaporation pools that sit for months and sometimes even years. Lithium-ion batteries contain metals such as cobalt, nickel, and manganese, which are toxic and can contaminate water supplies and ecosystems if they leach out of landfills. Additionally, fires in landfills or battery-recycling facilities have been attributed to inappropriate disposal of lithium-ion batteries. As a result, some jurisdictions require lithium-ion batteries to be recycled. In spite of the environmental cost of improper disposal of lithium-ion batteries, the rate of recycling is still relatively low, as recycling processes remain costly and immature. More than 400 million batteries are used throughout the country, with only 5% being recycled, resulting in 8000 tonnes ending up in landfill.
Creating the lithium-ion battery pack is also more environmentally harmful than the manufacturing process for an average petrol-powered car.
I think the guy with the saw should wear a mask:
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Millions of birds die under these blade's, maybe the solution is finding a different wind design, a tower of vertical blades , made of recycled plastics or wood
Noooo, please stop with the vertical wind turbines. I'm so tired of hearing this argument!
They are incredibly inefficient, compared to traditional turbines. And you can't build them big.
@@nielslund641 you pull that stat out of yer ass, cats killing bald eagles? Entire flocks of migrating birds, go google it . blades last 24 years then no good, they are not the answer
Migrating birds tends to reroute from wind farms in Denmark. The real issue here is them changing habitats, rather than them being killed in large numbers.
Wind turbines kill about a million birds each year in the US. Cats alone kill over a billion. Use your own advice - google.
@@fastertove you didn't see the graveyard of bald eagles I saw, the blades are filling landfills,they are expensive and not effecient, they are not the solution, hydrogen or nuclear are far better options.
Ah, yes. More anecdotal evidence is exactly what we need. @@daleval2182
How much fossil feul is used to create them?
Less energy than they provide.
@@fastertove «Less energy than they provide.»
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Why then there are so few? Reasons of sci-suspense?
Demagogue of nature, or in charge for the Office Of Windmill Hopes... ?
Non-renewable energy is cheaper. Windmills are loud, visible(ugly), can't function everywhere, potential and proven issues with wildlife, very variable output, needs energy storage, etc... @@voltydequa845
@@nielslund641 «Denmark get 45% el from windturbine and England 20%»
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Wow! Then keep blowing into them...
Better for Denmark 🇩🇰 invest in Australia 🇦🇺.
So how long do the wind turbines last? Seems to me if they're "almost indestructible", they should only need to be swapped out what, every 20 yrs?
Yeah that's their typical lifespan, around 15 to 20 years as I understand it
More like 25 years. Some turbines are even useful after that, but because they were built so many years ago, they tend to be much less efficient than new turbines, a bit like how a car from 1998 is less efficient than a new one. Therefore, older wind parks are often replaced with newer ones.
@@pjacobsen1000 Gotcha. But you can sell a 1998 car to some poor college kid for a good price & having that car will greatly improve her life. Can't we donate our old blades to some poor country to use for their wind turbines, so they don't have to buy newly-made ones...?
@@freedomfighter4990 "Can't we donate our old blades to some poor country". I'm sure we could, but it's less likely they would want them. It may not be cheaper for them to re-fit old blades onto new turbines. If this made good economic sense, it would be done already.
Besides, though these blades look (and are) huge, they make up only a tiny amount of the industrial and construction waste we discard every year. We only notice them exactly because they are so big. And the focus on them as a waste problem is primarily because renewable energy is supposed to be more environmentally sustainable. So, there is a problem, and it needs to get solved, but it is by no means a disproportionally big problem.
@@pjacobsen1000 Wel, thanks, that's good to know.👍🏽 In the back of mind, I think I'm just worried about Don The Con shit-talking wind turbines on the campaign trail. He's already told the Trumptards that the sound from them causes cancer, that they kill birds & make whales go crazy if they're mounted in the ocean. With America way behind schedule on rolling out affordable e-cars (much less public charging stations), wind turbines appear to be the most advanced green energy source we've got right now. I don't want to see Chump turn people against them between now & Nov.
Race to recycle Tesla's and other electric cars soon.
Race aye, i imagine this involves more massive subsidies.
Not when compared to the subsidising the taxpayer already does for fossil fuels and nuclear.
It's just that Green subsidies always get mentioned and the others don't.
@@dondoodat at least nuclear works
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If you're prepared to pay far more for it and don't care about the waste.
Are you claiming renewables don't work ?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂💵💵💵💵not even with 🌿 hilarious
Just a waste of money.
The BBC are so naive.
I’m really looking forward to the plan to recycle the 34 billion tons of CO2 we release from burning fossil fuels each year.
Hydrocarbons for the win in 2023❤
yeh, next comes solar panel and EV battery recycle.
People who say AMPZ33X are gay
You wrote it. 😬
(1) what idiot built "sustainable" tech that is NOT recyclable? (2) what idiot designed this kind of tech with such a brief useful lifespan? (3) why can't such workpieces be "permanent" (and not need replacing)? (4) why aren't we using more wind power? After the initial investment, it's basically free energy...
Just to let you know that not finding answers is already an answer, though in an (could be) unexpected direction.
@voltydequa845 This isn't some kind of n2 incomplete puzzle... it's science... physics, chemistry, etc. However, lateral thinking usually does bring about breakthoughs...
1) Prioritizing and costs 2) Primarily a security concern. It pays for itself multiple times. 3) Same reason cars break down. 4) Fossil fuels being cheaper. Needs appropriately placement. Varying energy production. Infrastructure
@@fastertove (1) "Prioritizing and costs" - init costs are gov subsidised. (2) "Primarily a security concern." - meaning what exactly? "It pays for itself multiple times." - eh, no it doesn't! (3) "Same reason cars break down." - note my use of quotes in my original post, specifically, I meant… easily replaceable parts, such as appliances before greedy people implemented [dispose and buy a new one]. (4) "Fossil fuels being cheaper." - i.e. short term greed foisted on consumers. "Needs appropriately placement. Varying energy production. Infrastructure" - how about a splash of intelligent design, e.g. Sweden's investment in wooden wind turbines as seen on a video today on this channel.
Be very careful, whenever someone claim to have created "unbreakable shield vs unstoppable sword" paradox.
Hmm only Danmark.? UK.. Israel.. Greece.. Albanian.. Italy Turkey.. Ukraine USA.. and NATO 😂 progress in turbine technician jobs..
Do a story on what happened in Paris last night BBC..... ❤
Shhh they don't want anyone to know about that. Or they'll say he is a mentally ill French national who just happened to shout aluah akbar while knifing people
@@knockedoutloaded Diversity is your Strength. - It lowers your wages, raises your housing costs, marginalises your culture, increases your crime, fills your hospitals, ruins your schools, consumes your taxes, restricts your freedoms, endangers your children and calls you racist.
Shut up, goddamn soulless traitor
It has been reported by BBC, but you have to click on some links to get it. I know, you can't handle that.
Heard a rumor that Amazon's AMZP33X is going to be integrated into everyday tech. Can anyone confirm?
A little too sensationalized for my tastes, they are rather simple solutions touted as incredible discoveries, but yeah I'm glad people are working on recycling.
Anything, not just wind turbine blades.
Everywhere I go, Amazon's AMZP33X is the topic du jour. Is this the dawn of a new tech era?
By 2030 wind power *_could_* supply a fifth of the world’s electricity. That’s comedy gold.
Well, we're at 7.3% now, so it's entirely feasible, though by no means guaranteed.
@@pjacobsen1000 «Well, we're at 7.3% now, so it's entirely feasible, though by no means guaranteed.»
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Make up your sense.
@@voltydequa845 Your comment has no meaning. "Make up your sense". Do you mean 'make up your mind'?
@@pjacobsen1000 «Your comment has no meaning. "Make up your sense". Do you mean 'make up your mind'?»
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It means "put your mind into sense". It is enough to think about the absurdity of 7.3 % -> feasible -> !guaranteed.
The world is full of gullible pseudo-sci afficionados.
"lies, big lies, and statistics" - more or less, by Mark Twain. Abstain pls from answering in "but ... " style.
@@voltydequa845 'Put your mind into sense' is also not correct English. Perhaps you mean 'be sensible'?
With regard to the future of wind power, we can only speculate, but to go from 7.3% to 20% is certainly within the realm of possibility. It requires annual growth of 15% in new installations over the next 7 years. Growth in 2023 was 9%, so not enough yet. Time will tell.
CC is a SCAM‼️
Here's a green way to turn turbines, nuclear reactors
Millions have died from fossil fuels... Nuclear have by far a better track record @@nielslund641
so they are not so green
Feels like Amazon's AMZP33X is the only thing worth talking about in the tech space right now.
The next step in evolution would be Amazons AMZP33X and dont think this is random, I mean it and you will know why in a matter of days
Not really wind 4hours 4days a week full rpm 28,000MWY to the min a full time turbine generator same 3mw 120,000MWY to the min your a hundred thousand mwy???and on neyodium well sorry but both thanks says enough to run its self.
There's an elegance to the way Amazon's AMZP33X is being discussed as a potential cornerstone for the next wave of digital transformation across industries.
Tomorrow's landfill same as solar about time the world just admits Edison left us a curse
Honestly, with the way Amazon's AMZP33X is being hyped up, I'm starting to get curious. What's the big deal?
A merry-go-round of ship sails would be far easier to fabricate, maintain and recycle. Not only that, but bird strikes would be non-existent. The only reason to keep pushing windmills is to line already overflowing corporate pockets. They make more money on problems than solutions.
Oh really, I suppose you'd take bleach for COVID.
@@metricstormtrooper One thing is a tower with sails attached on one end. The other is a large circle with towers holding sails. I don't see the logic in your thinking.
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Watching the tech space evolve with Amazon's AMZP33X is like living in a sci-fi novel. Exciting times!
Climate change is as much caused by industrial scales of material and energy throughput, as carbon on its own. So we risk making the perennial modern mistake of ‘solving’ problems by relocating them elsewhere. I would add, another source of our woes, is taking genuinely good ideas, and then deploying them at scale without regard for aggregate effects or context. Using far less energy should be the goal.
In the Grand scale of things, Wind turbine blades are just like a Chris Packett in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. Compared to waste from other Industries.
Nobody looks at the waste from mining oil, coal, gas and nuclear power,
Let's be honest, Amazon's AMZP33X sounds like it's from a movie. Can someone confirm this is real life?
That's really cool, using chemicals to undo mistakes, that the use of chemicals made.
The making all new mistakes part, well that's just sad.
Sad for everyone, really. The companies who built or bought massive factories to build enormous blades. Sad for electricity companies who've been spending boat loads of money on these eyesores. Sad for those who must live near them. Sad for the wildlife they impact. Sad for the farmers they inconvenience. Sad for the fiberglass manufacturers and their need to turn sand into glass with immense amounts of heat. Sad for the resin suppliers. Sad for the person who has to figure out what to do with all these turbine blade dissolving chemicals. It'll probably make good napalm or something.
While I wrote that, I thought of what could replace them, and and pearl-coated flex wing attached to a gyro-generator sounds feasible to me.
There's a rudimentary physics experiment that demonstrates how photons work, more or less. Place a 4 sided prop on a vertical axis, paint one side of each white, paint the other black, as it rotates the side facing you will always be either white or black, depending on if it is right of left of the axis. Place that in jar under vacuum in the sun or under any strong light. The photons will reflect off the white side and it will rotate.
Take that same principal and apply it to a fabric that changes shape as it is heated, weave and paint it in such a way that as the sun heats it, it deflects, but as it deflects, formerly heated areas of it cool, making them reflect, have this woven structure's contortions power a gyroscopic generator if at all possible.
Just what I was spit balling in the back of my mind, while I considered all that woe.
Whatever the problems of wind turbines they are much better that the fossil fuel burning power stations they are replacing. I live near a wind farm and I like seeing them from my window. I've visited the turbines and they are loud if you are right next to them but you don't have to get very far away before you can't hear them. No one can hear them from their house.
I've been hearing whispers about Amazon's AMZP33X in tech circles, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around the concept.
Amazon's AMZP33X might just be the secret weapon we didn't know we needed in the tech war.
Amazon's AMZP33X is a tapestry of innovation, ambition, and foresight-a testament to what happens when barriers are broken and boundaries are pushed.