Serbia’s Election Results Explained: Vucic Wins (Again)
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- Опубліковано 18 гру 2023
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Amid domestic challenges and tensions with Kosovo, Serbia held snap parliamentary elections on Sunday. While the preliminary elections show a win for the incumbent government, the opposition appears to disagree, and disputes the outcome of the elections. In this video, we take a look at why Vucic called the elections, the results, and what another Vucic victory means for Serbia.
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As a non-native speaker I must give compliment to this guy, as he's the easiest to understand.
Perfectly clear voice and articulation.
If you have an questions, feel free to ask. And enjoy Serbia. :)
As a native speaker yeah it's ok if a little flat / mono tone.
But he's only just started so give it time.
@@TheWebstaff You should hear us Czechs speak English. 😀 We have pretty much zero intonations in language and we naturally tend to speak that way in english as well. So flat is an enormous bonus for me.
A little bit fast, and I am an English speaker. Also I suggest longer pauses at the end of important sentences, to let the words sink in.
I like rhoticism, though. 🙁
Never boycott elections. All you do is say loud and proud that you give the vote to your opponent.
I came here to talk about this. I think I've heard about at least 20 election boycotts all around the world since WW2, and not once have I heard about them working.
What if the elections are organised by rebels?
If you vote, you implicitly acknowledge that the rebels have legal authority.
@@andrejparunovic6888 by voting in the elections you have a chance to steer democracy. Rebels don't have enough votes to defeat legit politicians. If you boycott the election, you give the other side legitimacy by letting them not only control the apparatus, but handing them the outcome they want.
I feel like one should only organize mass vote boycotts if there is some legal minimum voter turnout threshold required to avoid the election being rerun. Then, you can threaten the leaders with infinite reruns unless they guarantee fair elections.
@@ethancoltrane5754 what if all along it was 99% fair, so what you are saying reruns unless/until the opposition wins? its just dirty losers that cant deal with the facts is all it is witch just confirms they are weak just like their woke policies they wanna do hence they do good in Belgrade where ppl are westernised beyond measure already. Do you really want people like that that are gonna impulsively get butthurt tomorrow when something doesnt go along? Do you want serbia to join EU and than they dont like something in EU parlament what than, a boycot to EU parlament cause thats all they know to do? Funny as it sounds children shouldnt be leading a country and nothing ever is as simple as ppl make it.
Zack conversational presentation is very pleasant, when compared to Ben and Jack's more shouty approaches, bless their hearts.
Yes! Yes, I really am tired of the shouting loud approach. Why can’t the presenters sound like a normal human being? Srsly. Do the talk to their families that way? I highly doubt it.
Agreed
Yes! Shouty is the correct description indeed!
10 points for not feeling the overwhelming need to select anyone other than white male.
I don't think that's fair. They aren't shouting, they're just emoting more lol. He's obvious an amateur, so his style is more laid back.
This new narrator is doing a great job 👏
Much respect and thank you for another year of great work in the field of journalism 🧡
The meat ridin is crazy 😂😂
He's not exactly new, he's been around for a while
It’s Zach he’s been a writer at TLDR since the beginning
@@rizkyadiyanto7922You have a childlike line of thought to base people's worth on "how gay they are".
@@system9658 'gay', in the context of his comment, is used as a negative. Why would less 'happy' be treated as a good thing? You must be childlike if you cannot contextualise language when it's used.
6:44 just to clarify this, these are people with right to vote, with dual citizenship. They just don't live in Belgrade so they shouldnt vote on municipal elections.
And there is no way there was 40k of those people, that would need 1000 of buses. Stupid opposition always needs to blame everyone but themselves.
@@nidz3876🥪
@@nidz3876and 1000 of busea did arrive
That is impossible, you know how long that column of buses would be?
@@nidz3876 Ehh, this is kind of like blaming russian people for putin. I mean if someone has control of the media what are you supposed to do?
As a Serbian man who is into politics, I am really fascinated how well you are informed.
I love the new guy, his quite yet articulate manner of explaining current events really hooked me up to him!
He cuuute
Zac isn't new, he's been with TLDR for a while and is much more on camera on Nebula
Quality upgrade 🙌🏼 please TLDR give the people what we want!
Yeah :)😊
Best news is Nestorovic and Pavic, true Serbian patriots getting enough votes to enter parliament. They went from being UA-cam personalities to now in politics. They exposed the Covid lies and other western false narratives on Russia/Ukraine and they are also against EU integration because they know the EU is an oligarchy disguised as a democracy.
Pleasantly surprised he's not called VUKIK by the host.
It's not difficult to pronounce
You did great job this time, slow and moderated, miss my blu eyes guy but its good to see another handsome guy hosting tldr
yeahh, TLDR is really serving eye-candy with the narrators
A couple of hotties. That's why I get my news from TLDR
@@lif6737 totally agree 👍💯
Yeah, all of them r very handsome
Wow! I'm honestly surprised how amazingly good this video is and factually correct, well done guys, keep it up!
The international observers were united in that there were massive irregularities such as vote buying, forcing government workers and welfare users to vote, bussing in voters from all over with fictitious addresses so they can vote in the local Belgrade elections as well, etc ... All this while Vucic and SNS had over 90% of media space.
So called democracy and free market are bed time stories for children. What you say happens in Turkiye and many more countries as well. Besides, no matter whoever wins works for the oppressors of our times not for the people oppressed. If not, she, he is gone forever.
I feel if you like to switching commentators, you should also record the tldr intro, and commercial, for the new voice, to feel more natural.
The December 17 early elections in Serbia were dominated by the decisive involvement of the President which, together with the ruling party’s systemic advantages, created unjust conditions, the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR) election observation mission told a media conference on Monday.
So ? Before vucic it was the same thing bro whit tadic
@@dado3468not a chance.Tadic was voted out,you can not vote these out
Not only could they apear on every TV station back then they even had common discussions.
Vucic has no duel for over 10 years.
Only one camera pointing at him telling lies.
@@dado3468 that does not make it right?
@@dado3468 not true. lying out of your ass
BS. As a Serbian I hope that those pro western politicians will never ever get to lead country!!! Western democracy is as wheel that father install for his kid so he has a feeling that he is the one driving the car. Never ever!!! They never were our friends and they will never be one. Never had our interest in their minds or our wellbeing.
As a Serbian love to see a western based media report on it!
As a resident of Central Europe, I hate Vucic.
I do love the dry delivery by our presentor here though. It's a good thing. :)
Eastern and Central Europe are some of the racist countries. Ni Wonder Western Europe is much ahead in terms of Quality of life
I am sad we will have another 4 years of this criminal government :(
@@Person11068 South Europe or Balkans?
@@krisdaschwab912You aren't alone. Literally people who work in state firms have to vote for Vučić and the SNS and persuade 10 other people to do that too, or else they will likely lose their job
Honest critique, Zack needs to work on his cadence and tone somewhat, but overall he has a more down to Earth delivery, and his deeper voice suits the program well. I'd like to see more of him in the future.
I bet you sound like you've just inhaled a balloon full of helium.
I love this guy's hand movements and pronounciation. Hope we see him in more videos.
Very objective and precise reporting on the situation, thank you.
It is a little bit simplified what you said. But in essence you are right. The so called right wing NADA (led by Law Faculty professor Miloš Jovanovic who was educated in Paris) is not at all that ,,extreme" as you put it, nor it is for Russia. It is for Serbia. And it is against EU and USA interference in Serbia's inner political life.
There will always be outside interference in inner political life especially for such small countries. Even much bigger countries can't control this successfully tbh
@@grobertifine, then it should be russian interference, never USA and EU.
@@Mikij92Sure, if you want to live like Russians (who are fleeing their countries because of a war again) and being treated like peasents by oligarchs then that is the road that you should take
To them whatever it is, if its anti western its ,,BAD" then they slap the russian funded or puppet and demonize the hell out of the them.
@@grobertirussian who immigrate from russia are infact comming back according to financial times ( they are bias so they undercount) more than 15% of those who fled have returned.
Russian dont live bad by any definition of the word, those who would claim they do dont know anything about russia itself and the outside world and how people there live.
Finally a presenter that acts like he's narrating a news/political segment rather than doing a bad impression of an over-eager BBC documentary presenter.
Hi, Zach! Looking good as always!
When am I going to get my copy of Too Long? I pre-ordered the Editor's Edition.
I like the new narrator. Calm and fast info.
Thing is that nobody can form Belgrade and we will probably have repeated election here because nobody has majority together because 5th coalition doesn't want to cooperate with anyone
Thank you
I don't think the problem is that he won.
I think the problem is that we don't have anyone to replace him with.
"Media freedom"
"Ban on tabloid media"
Lmao, what a movement, totally sensible.
It is if you actually have context. All of the tabloids are defacto government mouth pieces, using the fact they're tabloids to get away with pieces and headlines which flagrantly trample all over journalistic standards and can easily be interpreted as calls to violence or retaliation against the opposition.
Based
What they thought is low quality journalism, false information spreading, sensationalism, character assassination done for the government. That's what we describe as "tabloid media".
Free them of work by banning them. :D
I like your manner of narration, hope you'll do this more often
Nice with a new face with such a slow, clear voice. Well, new to me.
You didnt mention Branimir Nestorović
Great narrator, good job.
Wow excellent narration-huge upgrade from the usual, which is almost unwatchable. Consider making this a more permanent switch?! 🤞🏼
Serbia is being told to accept the reality that a part of its territory should be made into a separate country, by the same group of nations who deny the very same right to the Serbs who live in Bosnia and Croatia. In Bosnia Serbs even, de facto and de jure by the international law, have a republic within a republic, which is a step that is one level above what Albanians have had in Kosovo. So why is it that sovereignty and territorial integrity are sacred, when it comes to Serbs desiring to separate from other countries, but for some reason Serbia's sovereignty and territorial integrity are irrelevant when it comes to a national minority wanting to separate from Serbia?
Also one small addendum to the point about self determination and decolonization; even if we were to apply these principles to Kosovo, which is not an outlandish proposition despite the fact that Kosovo is not in Africa, there is one key important thing that makes Kosovo different to both former colonies in Africa AND Kurds in Kurdistan: Kosovo is inhabited by ethnic Albanians. People who already have a free and sovereign nation state called Albania. This UN principle literally doesn't apply to them in any way shape or form.
The only way to avoid the feeling of resentment and hypocrisy is to stop promoting double standards. Pick one principle - either soverignity and territorial integrity - OR absolute right to self determination and apply it everywhere all at once. So if Kosovo has the right to separate, automatically, so do the Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia.
But now this mess that you people (Westerners) have made is even bigger. Because guess what? Russians are also looking at what youre doing. And making a completely logical argument based on that. If Kosovo can, so can Crimea, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhie, Kherson, Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov etc etc etc. Lets see where this brave new world takes us!
**Shocker**
Always nice to hear Papi Zac's voice and see his face.
Marketing a safety razor as some revolutionary sustainable invention is so bizarre to me since they've been around for hundreds of years.
love this new guy and his calm narrating style
I am from Serbia. This was "elections", not elections.
What happened?😮😢
@@thobaniskhosana6336 Voters fraud, all caught on camera, and completely ignored by the institutions which are run by the ruling party's poltroons.
@@thobaniskhosana6336 having delusions is what happened to this guy
@@thobaniskhosana6336the election are stolen and fals... Like every one in last 10 years
rigged elections and controlled media happened. @@thobaniskhosana6336
Love the new narrator
Interesting developments.
Wrong Map of Serbia!!! 🇷🇸
Right wing conspiracy theorists entered the Parliament💪💪💪
Finally a good narrator, not the screeching kid that was before
Did you really say tensions began in 2022
What a great new presenter.
Sorry, but I really am tired of the shouting loud news presenters approach. Why can’t the presenters sound like a normal human being? Srsly. Do the talk to their families that loud way? I highly doubt it.
Peach! 🙌🏼 seriously he is such an upgrade
he said more about razor blades than elections 😂😂😂
I know this is TLDR but not nearly enough information was presented regarding the way the election was infleuenced. I hope another video covers that and the international reactions to the unfairness in these elections
It sounds like you just wanted it to be less objective. I don't think that's what we should wish for.
@@Tomislavr7 less objective by presenting objectively accurate info?
@@ImStevan You are asking for specific reactions to this matter to be presented. That's not objective. What you did is similar to the loaded question logical fallacy.
TLDR presenters' enthusiasm for advertisers' products is regrettable.
🎉🎉🎉thanks🎉🎉🎉
Grim. It's always grim.
Great narrator, you are doing a great job❤!
20% accurate as usual, Mortyy..
a girl from Belgrade here to say excellent job :)
Yet again TLDR very confusing, the inflation chart, and you said inflation reached "8%" in November but then the chart says over "15%!!!"
Do you mean inflation fell to a still-high of 8% in November?
You can't say something "reached..." unless that thing is still going up?
damn
Were's video about Polish election?
Are you going to upload a video about Germany's new immigration scheme.
I think it would be a big hit
Belarus is a local example of what is possible in this part of the world. The president can see what is possible for him and the people can see what their future could look like. No free voting public votes for the same person for 19 years. That is not human behavior.
Vucic is pro EU so I don't think there will be any comments from that side ;-)
He is only pro EU because he is forced to, he was ultra nationalist when he started his political career
He's not really pro-EU
@@Srbenda126 He's not ultra-nationalist or pro-EU. He is stay-in-power-for-as-long-as-possible-and-steal-as-much-as-possiblist.
@@FilipSrbinyup
Vucic is only pro Vucic
all your presenters are excellent, just wanted to say this guy is also great. I like the calmness
ty tldr for a lot of great reporting this year
This is a tragedy for our country.
Jao sto kenjas tragedija je sto se gradi po srbiji sto je bolje ziveti u srbiji .tragedija je sta se desava na kosovu!
It’s a tragedy that Serbia is a real place
@@daltongalloway yes its shoud be yugoslavija or serbian empire
@@daltongallowayAt least it ain’t Albania with UK, Switzerland and France deporting Albanians back to their home countries because they are the most incarcerated nationality…
It could always be worse!
@@dado3468 it should be nothing but a giant empty sea 🤣
"Demand media freedom, ban on tabloid media" Are they truly calling for both of those? Because that's pretty contradictory.
It isn't contradictory at all here. Tabloid media here is a tool for Vučić propaganda, smear campagns and fake news. Plus, he controls all 3 national TV stations in Serbia, plus many cable TV stations. His regime owns most of cable providers as well, so basically opposition here is stuck with only two TV stations with tiny reach.
This so called tabloid media is absolute scum media show.
They work for the gov. and have a smear campaign on everyone that dares to go against the ruler.
Proper media,the ones that do not show sex on live tv,beatings on live tv or threats that someone will be killed or exiled becouse they are against the ruling party.
That is needed here.
Yes, they are. No, they don't realize that it is contradictory. No, they don't have principles. They support whatever their target voter group supports.
@@student99bg Jel' ti ukusan taj smećarski sendvič sa parizerom?
🎉 Bravo 👏 for yusrbijo
Serbia against violence is actually reserve Vucic party, in case of victory of conservative opposition like Nada za Srbiju (Hope for Serbia) or Mi - glas iz naroda (We - vote from people) somehow manage to united.
You se coalition of DSS-POKS is called Nada because Nada means Hope, so you should pronounce it, not spelling it. Anyway, they have very good policy of political neutrality, cooperation with EU on Switzerland model, returning Serbian King on the throne, etc. And yes they are telling the truth that EU is forcing independence of Kosovo (main reason why they are not for EU integration).
Wage inceases to 1400EUR/avg??? Where did you get that info, it's not accurate it's 758$ not even close to that.
This guy is great, also to my suprise even tho these news are from EU they aren't to harash on Serbia or SNS.
This Channel is not owned by the EU. Just check the description of the main Channel TLDR News to see what i'm talking about.
Finally, the shouting has stopped. Love the new guy
Presenting Nestorović who led the MI movement simply just as a yt conspiracy theorist is highly misleading. At the wake of covid pandemic he (being a renowned pulmonologist) was one of the main consultants for the government. I leave the viewers to do the rest of the research on their own
"Wins" ftfy needed speech marks as there are questions.
Many questions.
There is a reason why people usually take more time to explain such a complex political situation... I cannot say I am surprised, but you failed to explain.
Múdrosť vyhrala Držím vám ✊️✊️
Mluvite nesmysly pani. Spletla jeste si Dalmacii a Srbsko.
How do media freedom and a ban on tabloids co-exist?
This is the only part of the video I have a problem with.
They are against tabloids having national frequencies. TV channels with national frequencies are available all over Serbia, while other channels are part of cable packages and whatnot. Basically TV channels with national frequencies are the most easily accessible channels in Serbia.
The problem is that the regulatory body that decides who gets the nat. frequencies is giving it to trash tabloid tv channels. Both the regulatory body and those tabloids are controlled by Vucic. He uses them to poison the people. They frequently use slurs for Croats and Albanians. There is no opposition on these channels.
@@Palamazur sounds about similar what is happening in Hungary with current leadership and government...
@@GwainSagaFanChannel corrupt populists m.o. is always the same, as they are not able to produce results in any meaningful way, they have to lie and poison people with trash
They are mostly against the sns controlled agenda pushing tabloids, not free and open ones.
@@Palamazur No, they do want to ban tabloids
I am from Serbia and I have to say very objective reporing. 👏👏👏
I have never been so warmly welcomed anywhere as in Serbia. As a foreign citizen, they allowed me to vote and even take a few selfies while inserting the ballot. What a wonderful country.
Where are you from?
@@branilavvasic9727 Republic of Kosova 😆
Hi :)
He did not win - he scamed us.
I voted for him
@@andrejparunovic6888 so what?
SNS bot @@andrejparunovic6888
@@andrejparunovic6888only those brainded or forced.Majority is against the mobsters.
Jedna stvar je imati razlicito politicko misljenje ali ovog puta ti si glasao za Kartel . Glasao si za privatizaciju nasih Nacionalnih parkova, progon policajaca koji su nasli najvecu farmu droge u Evropi, glasao si za korupciju,nepotizam ,izdaju Kosova, glasao si za kupovinu diploma, glasao si za najvecu inflaciju u Evropi ,najveci procenat ljudi koji umiru od karcinoma u Evropi, glasao si da ti Kinezi iznose nase resorse...To je tvoje demokratsko pravo,porazumeva se.@@andrejparunovic6888
Thought I would fall asleep
imagine using Freedom House, Israel is super free and cool right?
From every video, people living in the Balkans can conclude 1 of 2 things:
1. The Western World has no idea what the problems actually are.
2. The Western World knows exactly what the problems are, and for malicious reasons, makes sure these problems are never resolved by supporting certain parties during certain periods.
And are you sure the opposition leader would oppose Kosovo independence?
Ha, voting? Is that what we call it these days?
Serbs from Republic of Srpska are not the problem for voting for parlament, even though they could vote at home for that. The problem is voting for Belgrade elections, since you cant vote for a city where you dont live. And they brought them to Belgrade so they could win the elections in the capital city.
Put all those voters in jail. And fine them big-time -- the country needs money.
@@MB-xe8bb haha good one.. this is north korea style in eu.. and kim made the order? will kim arrest his men? NO.
You can vote for the city where you live very much. As long as you are registered in Belgrade, which they are, they have the absolute right to vote in Belgrade elections.
@@milancukovic1327 They don't live in Belgrade, they live in Republika Srpska. They voted in Belgrade because Vučić's government faked their residence and committed fraud by registering them as Belgrade voters.
Much better presentation style. Some people just have a knack for it, some don't.
This guy does.
Wow, calling a respected public figure a 'youtube conspiracy theorist' tells you all you need to know about this channel. Serbs agreeing with it should be ashamed
Nothing to clarify here, a dictator rules.
А где смо ту МИ ?
Finally
The worst government since the fall of Yugoslavia. Prices of everything all time high. Media control where Vucic's lap dogs talk about salary increases but they fail to talk about the inflations that come with salary increases. They bring in foreign companies and ignore domestic small size companies. They ignore agricultural needs, any governmental job can only be given to a person if they become a member of SNS which also forces these people to vote otherwise they will lose their jobs.
My salary is above average however i work as a freelancer for foreign companies but I cannot even save money for a better car and i can only dream about building a new house. I basically live from salary to salary and i can't even imagine what it's like for people at the bottom. Everything i spend my money on is to be able survive not thrive.
SNS brings foreign companies talks about unemployment rate being at an all time low, but these workers vote for them and seemingly in ignorance as if they are thankful to be able to work only because the government brought these companies to Serbia. These workers however are paid "Serbian" salaries which are still around 600-700 euros.
To all people who are not from Serbia, imagine this.
You get 700 euros..your bills are around 150 and you need at least 350 euros for your food basket on a monthly basis. Where are occasional new clothes? A car downpayment? A trip somewhere? Extra money for your kids? Tons of other stuff you may need the money for..
Around 80% live from salary to salary, scraping by.
People 25-35 married or not - most live with their parents and can't do much in terms of finances without the help of their parents.
People in Belgrade live better most have good cars and live in well stocked apartments but that's where all companies are, like 90% of foreign companies.
This government doesn't care about other cities. All people just go to Belgrade searching for a better life. The number of parked cars on the streets is insane, traffic jams, pollution, nobody solving parking spots. Serbia has 6mil people and around 1.7mil live in Belgrade. Very disproportionate number.
13 years they ruled in tyranny over this country and it's still bad. My fridge is still not stocked and i fall behind my bills at times.
Did you really called the university professor and doctor youtube conspiracy theorist 🤦♂️
All 4 options suck. We're doomed. 1 and 3 are corrupt. 2 and 4 are delusional.
Serbians are native in North Kosovo
Translating the SNS as Serbian PROGRESSIVE Party is pure irony, as Vučić was basically a right wing fascist back in 90s and 2000s. And still is, despite his a little bit moderated but confusing right wing, big tent course.
simply put: criminal.
Fascists are LEFTISTS, sweetie. The far left are violently opposed to personal freedom and absolutely demand Groupthink.
Lol there is no such thing as fascism in Serbia 🤣
@@Mikij92 lol serbians literally invented fascism and imperialism
@@kategoried7501 serbian nationalism is literally based on anti fascism as Serbs were among those who suffered the most under fascism and the first people who rised against them. Serbs are very proud of their anti fascist past and we only claim serbian historical lands wich were stolen from us, nothing else.
Belgrade is the most liberal city in Serbia? Wait, what? Try to compare it to the Novi Sad.
I am from Novi Sad, Belgrade is way more liberal. Where you from?
Corruption, get him out of Serbia a traitor
Remember this. First country ever to prohibit slavery is Serbia. One of Serbias rules from 1800s was: whoever steps a foot on a Serbias land is no longer a slave. Respect that. Serbia made Europe.
Nije uopste prva,dobra ti je propaganda koju citas. Haha Srbija napravila Evropu
Slavery was made illegal in England in 1066.
Observers claim diffrent along with evidence extremely corrupted
Thank you for a very objective reporting on these problematic elections in Serbia.
I would like to add for 6:43 that they do have the right to vote in parliamentary elections, which they can do in Republika Srpska. The only reason they were found in Belgrade on the election day is to vote on the municipal elections known as Belgrade elections. For these elections, most of them got the right to vote illegally in the past year from the MUP of Serbia (Ministry of Internal Affairs) that quite often works for the benefit of current regime, not its citizens.
Who cares. Same president. So nothing will change in Serbia.
You dont live in serbia so you dont know what will change
Serbia is not a presidential republic, do your research
@@pera_peric 🤡
Ajde ne seri.@@dado3468
I don't know nearly enough to determine the accuracy of this reporting, so I'm reluctant to "like". You get this comment instead.
ahhh those little russians with mini putin... so cute.
Every country gets the leader it deserves.
Zelensky