Making Space in the B&O Railroad Museum's North Car Shop

[@Oldiesfan017]

The C&O steam engines honestly need more love and appreciation, especially #490. It needs to be restored to operating condition and pull excursion trains from the B&O museum to Detroit. Do you like that idea? :)

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

+Andrew Steiner I love that Idea but I bet CSX wouldn't. :/

[@Oldiesfan017]

MrImpossiblyBlack I see your point. But regardless, think about what the following museums and railroad societies are doing to C&O #2716, C&O #1309, Reading #2100, and heck, ATSF #3463. There should be a group for the engine called "Friends of the 490". That would be cool, wouldn't it? :)

[@wayneswart6849]

+MrImpossiblyBlack When are you going back to the B&O Railroad Museum

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

I volunteer tomorrow.

[@amosmaclin4665]

Andrew Steiner yes I do

[@BruceBoschek]

I just love the sound of the GP-7 and seeing it in B&O livery. I worked for the B&O in the early 1960s and it brings back great memories. Thank you for sharing this.

[@vonyinzer]

Damn 490 is such a Striking locomotive, I recall seeing her sitting outside the roundhose back in the early 90s... while it would be awesomse to see her run again, I hope that she gets a righteous physical restoration at the very least. such a beauty.

[@TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan]

the Chesapeake and Ohio 490 Hudson is quite an impressive sight if only that this engine will be restored to run as the only operating Hudson

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

Hopefully by showing people that she still exist will make her restoration a reality.

[@manga12]

yes she is one of very few streamliners left, and I think the only of her class from the c&o that was saved or was it a b and o loco I am thinking of that they have in mount claire, actually I think I might be thinking of the P6 class that the b&o saved and put there it was one of the few late period locos the saved and it pulled some of the passenger trains, and they were going to save an em1 yellowstone, they say but some dumb yard guy sent it away and it was cut up before the em 1 could be recovered, almost makes me want to cry, also the fact that our town tried to buy a t3 loco to save we did not have enough funds, nor enough interest to save the old roundhouse, there was an effort but not enough money to do so, now all we have of the old days is foundations and the old freight shed as the museum, oh and the old watchman tower, it is thrilling though that the foundations are still intact mostly so they can be seen on aerial photos and sattilight, but the old shop area of garrett is wooded over and several spots are built over like the fire station is built on part of the old roundhouse, you can however see one of the parts of the old roundhouse stalls sticking up over the ground by the storage shed behind the fire and police station, but woe be to you if you trespass without asking as I said it is a police station and directly behind it is csx property though not too near the tracks and you can see something there too as well as a chunk of concrete that was there most likely from the roundhouse, I will be showing the remnants when I can and video it for youtube, I just have to get the permissions time to do it and right lighting, but the bits of the shops are there too and the outline of the power house, water storage tanks of treated water footer is there and the erecting shed and machine shop which closed in 1926, oh and the outline of the old car shop can be seen on air photos of the area as well as the office that sat next to it where the car department equipment barn sits now, the repair track though is where it always has been and two of the 4 tracks that would have went into the original 4 stall carshop go right over the foundation outline of the 318 foot building that used to sit there.

[@southwestvirginiarailfan729]

It would be nice to see c&o 490 run again, but it wouldn't be the only operating Hudson. There are 2 in Canada, Canadian Pacific 2816 & 2860. Even though 2816 hasn't run for a few years and i think 2860 is down for its 1472 day inspection. I assume its the same I Canada & the US. But 490 would be the only operating Hudson in the US.

[@stevew270]

There is also a Hudson type at The Museum Of Transportation in St Louis, Nickel Plate Road #170.

[@manga12]

yes but of the engines left there are not many in the usa.

[@RaisedLetter]

They should restore 490 next. It'd be a good variance of Streamlining in comparison to 611 and 4449

[@imperialmodelworks8473]

Wouldn't it be something to see 490 up and running again? Can't help but love that look!

[@michaelnaisbitt1639]

Surely something could be done to restore this extremely rare loco. Just how many streamlines are left?

[@HerksTrainShed]

i think only 1 that c&o 4-6-4 should be restored

[@tibbers3755]

That's the only streamlined Hudson left

[@russellthunderhorse]

Number 490 is nice!😀

[@kristafoster7190]

Lets fire her up id like to see her run under her own power i think its time for a major overhaul for the 490 ik she was put away tired and wet ik it be alot of money and effort to get her running and fixed up but it be very well worth it

[@1981deloreanfan]

Hopefully they will restore it to operation one day. And don’t call me Shirley.

[@TylersNeighborhoodGarage]

The locomotive doing the moving has an interesting past itself. It was involved in a rear-end collision near Casner, IL in 1953, when it was nearly brand new. It was returned to EMD and reconstructed. It was renumbered to 6405 in 1957. The wreck killed the engineer.

[@robertphillips6296]

Wow! What a great looking Streamliner Steam Locomotive. Thanks for posting.

[@kansasstatealerting2874]

490 is one of the most beautiful Streamliners I have ever seen.

[@thunderbird1921]

Oh, if only one of the Dreyfus Hudsons from the NYC. They were some of the most beautiful streamliners ever built. At least we still have 4449, 611 and 490 to enjoy (with the first two operational)!

[@loulasalle5480]

It would be wonderful to have this locomotive cosmetically, and operationally restored. And, that B&O obs as well.

[@nitro-t6478]

the streamliner is AWESOME!

[@BOBXFILES2374a]

1) I had no idea the C&O streamliner still existed. Awesome barely covers it! 2) The sight of a machine THAT BIG, moving under its own power inside a building, is astonishing! Where did you get this footage? Thanks!

[@alanpotter4264]

Wow. What a massive movement of engines at the B&O RR Museum. Brings back many memories of my brief 3 years volunteering there. At that time, the C&O 377 was considered the most likely restorable to running condition and, though the appearance is pretty shabby, all the working parts were there. Many comments made about restoring the 490 Hudson (formerly a Pacific) making it even more unique, the need is always for more money than a museum normally has to invest. Cosmetic restoration, while also expensive, is a more viable investment. The restoration shop on the museum grounds is best suited for that purpose and is doing a fine job with the resources given them. Overall, I'd like to say that this a unique and dynamic railroad museum having one of, if not, the most complete collection of early to modern rr equipment accessible to the public I know of.

[@Taurtismangreen]

the front of the 490 looks beautiful

[@TOTALCAMARO]

I’ve always seen red cabooses, never blue or pink. That’s different. I love seeing these old pieces running again. Veterans of the rails. They live on thanks to those that care and love them enough to restore them. Thank you 😊

[@towcat]

Would be nice to see 490 under steam again

[@davidhyer3404]

It would be really cool to ride in that streamlined car behind that streamlined engine. Imagine 614 with 490 on the front

[@Tiredoldchannel]

Streamlining might be one of my favorite things to come out of the steam era..

[@Maddogtrucking]

When I visited this museum I was very impressed. I just wished some of these engines had more room to operate. But im just glad they have a good home

[@SOU6900]

That Geep sounds off when it winds up.

[@Tombola1993]

Awesome video. Those locomotives are pretty badass.

[@davesmith4957]

Excellent footage, thanks for posting!

[@lelandrogers1078]

What a surprise when 490 came out.

[@microbusss]

OOOOO! I wants that streamliner in HO scale!!

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

Broadway Limited is coming out with a HO scale version. You may still be able to preorder it but be prepared to spend $$$$.

[@microbusss]

@@MrImpossiblyBlack yeah No thanks
BUT it'd be so cool to see it running again!

[@microbusss]

@Galaxy Purple gimmies the moneies then 😜

[@BOBXFILES2374a]

I've seen it in O Gauge at a model railroad show! At least $1500.00!

[@marktufts7756]

never seen a steam locomotive like that before

[@SimplyTakuma]

Next project after running in the 4014 Big Boy, get #490 to run.

[@leeadams6809]

When I was a kid the C & O used to use a GP7 to switch out cars at Heiner’s Bakery in Huntington, WV. Sometimes the engineer would have us climb up in the cab and he’d talk to us about railroading and let us blow the horn. Hearing that sound brings back a lot of fond memories.

[@user-dg2ok8jo8e]

Wow didn’t know the 490 was in that good of shape seen it in the late 80s outside and never heard anything about it again surprised that it rolls that good thought bearings would be locked up cool video

[@gerrodhollsten5113]

that c and o is amazing! id love to see that restored.

[@JungleYT]

That is Beautiful!!! - 6:00 *Extremely RARE!!! - **18:33*

[@homerohomero5563]

4:55 Interesting!! Is that a steam-driven rotary motor axel'd to the carriage's trucks to aid in the pull?!?!

[@DCS1967]

I thought it was more likely to be a crank driven dynamo/generator to charge onboard batteries so there’s power when the coach is not coupled to a source of power.

[@homerohomero5563]

Maybe not a steam engine, but an electric motor. Just to the left, I see a pulley so I'm guessing that's a gas/oil driven dynamo.

[@rjohnson1690]

Back east hand signs are funky. They look like lantern signs.

[@jacksalvin364]

C&O 4-6-4 Hudson Steam Engine 490 was been retired from Chesapeake and Ohio Railway service.

[@nathancorcoran5347]

Now on display at the B&O Railroad Museum.

[@MrHooves89]

great video! thanks for sharing.

[@sciencetrain228]

Linda gigantesca Amarela Hudson sendo retirada do galpão.

[@nathancorcoran5347]

I took a video of C&O 490 at the Museum back in April of 2019. I also said to the people in the North Car Shop if they are going to restore it back to operation. And then they said they won't. So they are still going to restore it in the North Car Shop at the B&O Railroad Museum today. And 490 is probably the only streamlined Hudson that survives today. There are a lot of Hudson's out there, while this one is streamlined. It was also my first film at the B&O Museum too.

[@SteamEnthusiastProductions]

Well for starters why dont we get 490 up and running for the next steam days before we talk about any possible amtrak excursions?

[@kingofthepod5169]

On the left we have a streamlined C&O hudson and on the right we have a talking dog. One is very rare and the other is a dog.

[@jrahrig]

What Was The Reason For "Clearing Out/Making Room" at the B&O Museum's North Car Shop Building?
This IS Just An Impressive Video Seeing Everything Being Moved By B&O 6405. Just Seeing C&O 490 Moving Is Incredible. ^_^

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

They were making space to set up a stage for the "Polar Express" event. Everything was moved back in the North Car Shop after the event.

[@jrahrig]

Thanks! ^_^ That's info was much needed, explains a lot for what is going on here.
I just found a bunch of PLEX Pictures from last year's event. Looks like a Live-Stage Show with B&O 5300 filling in for PM 1225.

[@floodedcar123]

Love to see the 490 run again

[@Geardproductions]

Something didn't seem right about 490. 377 and the fireless shunter made the steam locomotive's signature "gasping for air" sound when not moving under their own power, but 490 didn't as much. I heard it once and that is it. The bearings also looked like they were sticking a little, not sure if that's normal or not. I did talk to one of the guys there saying when 460 came to the B&O she was in need of major mechanical repair. But I'm glad 6405 got to come out and play!

[@engineer6325]

In the late 70's, when Ross Rowland traded the Reading 2101 for the C&O 614, they gave the 490 a mechanical inspection before deciding on the 614. Their report basically found while the 490 is restorable, the engine is in fact in need of an EXTENSIVE overhaul. Basically, the 490 could run again, problem is the biggest obstacle is there is no place to run her since CSX is currently anti-steam. Also the lack of gasping for air might have something to do with 490's poppet valve system, as opposed to the conventional valve gear found on the other steamers.

[@mattsmocs3281]

+engineer6325 she could do NS but 611 would be front. 490 in no way could do a heavy mountain run like the R&N or steamtown engines. So a private line with long distance and high speeds would be its only hope of running.

[@renegadeoflife87]

What about in the Chicago area? The amtrak right of way there was suitable to let 765 be clocked by a passenger's GPS at 72 MPH.

[@engineer6325]

That route is a good choice, 490 would be perfect for it. Problem is GETTING 490 to that area. There are a couple of reasons for this. One, te B&O Museum is steeped high in CSX turf so getting them to play ball to let the 490 out won't be easy. A solution to this could be to take the 490 and base her somewhere on more friendly track,(ex: NS), BUT...that's assuming the B&O Museum would allow you to do that in the first place. Museums can get very protective of their collection, so what could happen is while they would allow someone to restore the 490, they might request the engine to be kept in Baltimore. I'm unfamiliar with the management of the museum so I cannot say. Sure, they were open to letting go of the 1309, but they might have a different opinion about letting the 490 go. I don't want to sound negative, in fact I'm very hopeful the 490 will run again someday, but the simple reality is it will be a challenge.

[@renegadeoflife87]

Most likely 490 would have to ride behind a diesel across CSX right of way to more friendly routes like NS trackage. They made 765 do this on the 21st centry limited when the planned route called for it to deadhead across a CSX line that NS had usage permissions for.
So it might be best to just tow it from Baltimore to a shop in more friendly areas to be restored, perhaps St Louis or even Ft Wayne.
From there it could possibly be steamed up to Indiana or Iowa, where the tracks would be straight and flat enough to let it perform as intended.
Its a shame the northeast corridor is becoming run down and I have no idea what condition the former NY Central routes are in. They had lots of Hudsons and Pacifics there that would make this engine be right at home.

[@MB_Videos1]

Great video nice catch !

[@ZakWolf]

That C&O L1 Hudson was featured in the Wishbone Mysteries book "Disoriented Express" from 1998, pulling a fictional passenger train called the "Zenith Condor."

[@hmitchell8618]

8:11 how do the trains run on those tracks? they look so old. And with the Hudson leading two things would make that scene better 1: have it operating by itself and
2: have it pull old C&O and B&O Pullman cars.

[@jg-7780]

Very slowly is how

[@TravisCyprien]

This locomotive needs to be restored

[@JungleYT]

Wow... That was a surprise! - 6:02

[@That_Thicc_Cat]

They should restore 490, I know I would definitely buy a ticket!

[@robertomoltrasio1765]

490 BEAUTIFUL AND EXOTIC!

[@adamchancellor9011]

Think it be a good idea to restore the C& O Steam Turbine engine to operation condition for excursions and excursions excursions around the Museum and display of course give the engine new cablights

[@raymondleggs5508]

I'd love to see that CNJ boxcab diesel run!

[@mtbdawg4987]

I would be ok with them letting all but the best examples of train cars pass into history and just focus on sheltering and preserving the locomotives. Its the coolest part, its what people want to see, and see them running

[@ruscherry7985]

Beautiful steam engine!!!

[@jmream2618]

If I was moving all this equipment I would’ve borrowed one of Amtraks dash 8s for the heavier equipment moves

[@tedzeiller2711]

Wow that is some awesome stuff!!!

[@markmckinley5989]

Lovely building

[@ethanspaziani1070]

So I guess here's another beautiful piece of History that's never going to move under its own power again

[@davidstrawn9272]

Though her scheme was originally Orange when streamlined just because orange is my favorite color, but 490 can keep the yellow paint being the only yellow steam engine, because who needs Orange boilered locomotives when I already have a Orange skirted 4-8-4 that is Daylight 4449 when it reminded me of J class 611 being a red skirted 4-8-4, they along with yellow skirted NC&StL 576, and green skirted CNR 6400 were known as "colorful skirted 4-8-4's" or "Rainbow skirted 4-8-4's".

[@grahamball364]

That's a very good video picture ,may I please ask what video camcorder are you using,I've been to the museum when on holiday from the uk.many thanks Graham.

[@billporter9494]

YEEEAAAAA! a Crusader! I thought all those engines had been scrapped overhaul that sucker, and the N&W 611 would be turning green yeah baby--bill

[@jomama05]

The Reading Crusaders were all destroyed. The one you see is the C&O 490 used as backup for the Chessie streamliner. But, the C&O sold all the cars for the Chessie and so it was relegated to secondary trains.

[@powhatan1165]

your full of it

[@ethanmyerrailroad1185]

Stop Crusader said diesel 905 they my friend 1950 steam streamlined I do not scrapped Ok.Ok said crusader so happy.great said diesel 905 Good friends streamline

[@MrTankThatStopped]

Why does 490 remind me of The Milwaukee road F7 Hudson’s?

[@MrOilcountry]

What a gorgeous Loco.

[@duknilch]

Nice Sound!

[@anthonyj810]

That steamliner is so rare they have. I doubt there is more than maybe 4 or 5 of them running of that exact model anyways. I gotta go to baltimore someday take the train ride and get some pictures next to that beauty.

[@GDP999-z1u]

she looks amazing

[@tracynation239]

An excellent video. ♡ T.E.N.

[@lindalakota38]

Cant belive it hasent ben brought back to life i think minus the color yellow id love to see it going more then any other old steam it has the best front of all streamliners.

[@Megalodon34561]

They should restore the 490

[@P61guy61]

Thanks for posting

[@cassscenic4]

Oh ok. great video!! u hope they don't leave the yellow belly out for good

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

+cassscenic4 It's only temporary. Once they finish erecting a new exhibit in the car shop they will move it back in.

[@cassscenic4]

+MrImpossiblyBlack
k thanks. Thank you for uploading these rare shots!!

[@MrImpossiblyBlack]

cassscenic4 Your Welcome!

[@jeffreymcfadden9403]

after all those 4400-4500 numbered F7s chessie scrapped, they didnt save a one.

[@marvinwatkins8889]

Would love to see that C&O streamlined steamer restored to working order (Yes, we all know, $$$. And where would it run, anyway? Would CSX permit it to visit, with liability concerns and whatnot. Dream on.)

[@brunodiazjurado3182]

I LIKE B & O

[@rometsch2880]

What happened to the lettering on the side of the L-1s tender??

[@xCharjx]

When they move big steam locos like the 490 with diesels, why don't they just couple straight to it? Just curious.

[@tracynation239]

For safety, and to minimize damage to museum equipment. ♡ T.E.N.

[@maxwellwalcher6420]

Would you get the C&O B=Running again with 2716 614 490 and 1604 steamed again.

[@animal16365]

Looks like one of the roller bearings on the 490 needs to be fixed.

[@theshapeexists]

I'm q huge train buff, and tj8s is my 1st time seeing loco 490

[@theshapeexists]

Absolutely amazing looking machine.

[@Dondo_Golden_Rose]

Are there any photos of the cab of the Hudson I can find?

[@auricom8472]

They ought to restore 490 to running condition. Would love to see her moving under her own power.

[@stephenmcmullen7600]

The C&O "Steam Banana"

[@nickel1565]

490 is looking beautiful

[@eugeeropel5572]

Sorry, but I look at photos of these L1’s and think to myself, back in the day they should not have taken the cutting torches to all of the Chesapeake and Ohio M1’s, at least one should have been saved for the B&O museum. In my opinion there was no comparison between the tiny M1 and the massive steam turbine L1’s and tenders.

[@user-dg2ok8jo8e]

The only Hudson’s I know left is co 490 2 cbqs in I’ll and Iowa and cp 2816 be cool to see her run

[@rjohnson1690]

See you all next week.

[@jackchen7003]

Any update on 490 today? I hope they restore to working order like they did with UP 4014 big boy. Doesn’t seem to be in good shape here at all

[@onionhat9141]

they already restored the 1309 i think they should add another to the restored C&O list just sayin.

[@TOTALCAMARO]

On #6405 are those lights on the top corners on the back on the locomotive? Just curious because I’ve never seen them on.

[@arrowguy173]

Would travel many miles to see this under steam. If only CSX was as heritage friendly as NS, and held an event similar to the ones at Spencer where streamlined steam & diesel of CSX heritage could be proudly shown off.

[@arrowguy173]

@Wayne Gray Yes it has been great following the Big Boy restoration. I hope to make it to the B&O museum someday.

[@afterburnerjoslyn6459]

All flip flopped now, NS has turned its back on N&W history and has sold most of its historical stock, The Southern R.R. people caused that, now CSX seems to have had a change of heart and is getting back to their history, The N&W is dead thanks to Southern....serves the....themselves it seems

[@brucew.5177]

Wow . . . Really Nice.

[@raptorproductions1639]

I couldn’t unsee the word caos kinda like chaos in the number plate

[@danforbess6941]

Convert the 490 to oil and put it back in passenger service.

[@ScarabChris]

That close up at 5:00 what is the truck turning? Is that a generator to supply power to the coach when under way or is it a motor so the coach can be moved without a loco?

[@Fairlane55]

Or is it for HVAC?

[@TheBeeMan1994]

That GP sounds like either he’s running it with the handbrake set or with a full set on the independent. Should be no reason to need notch 3 or 4 to move while empty.

[@robertclark6349]

Sometimes you have to use the throttle with a light set on the independent brake to avoid jerking cars around.

[@jacobmaurin7549]

At 6:40 is that C&O steam locomotive ever going to get restored because that thing is cool looking.

[@lorraineslater2348]

They live on still

[@Circa88]

6:25
Wait a minute.
I thought Hudsons were extinct.

[@tonyfrancesco3701]

That's what I thought also if not one of the great alco locomotives.

[@jamesm6638]

NYC hudsons are extinct... there are still many others around, C&O, NKP, santa fe, CB&Q... I'm probably forgetting one....

[@justahillbilly7777]

@@jamesm6638 There are some of Canadian Pacific's Hudsons still around.

[@jamesm6638]

@@justahillbilly7777 ^that's the one I was forgetting, thank you

[@krismangila1594]

In addition to the US and Canada, Japan also has preserved Hudsons - in fact, they have the only operational Hudsons in tourist service anywhere.

[@blakameatmon]

God why isnt there anything out there abut returning that grand machine to operatioal statis!!!

[@Taurtismangreen]

the lionel 490 has an epic whistle

[@williamschlenger1518]

No computers back then. Everything was hand lettered & pinstriped .one shot imitation gold.I still use it Beautiful engines.