Comparing The Porsche 911 (992) Turbo S v McLaren 720S For Road Trips
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Please by all means.....if you aren't satisfied with a 911 TURBO S.....then without fail..... I'd gladly take it off your hands ....and be grateful without complaint
In Dubai, the weather is very hot. Cars such as Lamborghini, Ferrari and McLaren suffer from many problems and their prices go down a lot after two years of use. As for the Porsche 911, you use it every day without problems and it maintains its price, and sometimes the price increases.
I went from Ferrari, to Lambo, to Porsche 911 Turbo S, and never looked back, it blows them all away.
long is the path to enlightenment.
I'm saving this comment in my long term memory. I'm on my way up and hope to get a 911 in a year or two.
I’ve had all 3 as well. I found the Turbo S to definitely be the fastest, but also the least fun. It sounds like a Dyson and just doesn’t have any aura.
I've had all three and a helicopter as well. I'm andrew tate btw
Excellent dialog with informative detail Enjoyed it a lot Have had McLarens for 10 years and a GT3 Cup car same time Done lots of tracking Have a 2022 Turbo S Lightweight for over a year now that I custom speced from factory The Sport Exhaust switch appears worthless 992’s deserve being dissed for their “vacuum cleaner” sounding exhaust
Remedy : get a Cargraphic Exhaust Valve Controller installed which will cost $695 US plus simple install labor You can open the exhaust flaps with the push of a button
I had an expensive custom exhaust system installed in the Turbo S which barely increased exhaust sound level due to the OEM Sport Exhaust not really increasing volume even over 4,000 to redline
Regarding McLarens vs a 992 Turbo S yes the Macs are more nimble Both have their virtues over the other Both are terrific , fast ,and engineering marvels
A Porsche-owner here. Never driven a McClaren. They look beautiful but having driven all kinds of 911’s, they are just the best package and have everything you could want in a car. Your car is my kind of “boring!” Cheers!
I had an interesting experience with a Porsche dealer , actually the UK importer
I had just come from a Lotus Exige and was thinking of trying a GT3 , after all
Ive never read a bad road test . He asked what cars were on my list , and that
was another more powerful Exige or the GT3. Now what he said amazed me,
he said coming from the Lotus u will find the GT3 fat and lazy , u will hate it
(???????) so I asked what he would recommend , he said the best drivers car
was the Cayman S , I borrowed one for a day , and enjoyed it but when it came
to putting money down I got a second Exige . Unusual experience and Ive
still not driven a GT3 !
911 is the gold standard of sports cars. Period.
Unless u have driven something better .......
Nice to finally hear your comparison between the 992 turbo S vs the 720S
Armed with this advice, I can now buy the right Hotwheels model without regret.
Amen brother! a guy here still driving the probe gt I bought 29 yrs ago... total fantasy land watching vids with cars like this...
I Got an older 911 T/S last year, and my networking/rally group is filled with 720's, lambos (Hurr, Aventador, etc), GT3's (some RS's) BMW M5 comps do well. No mods on mine yet, but I can smoke ,most stock lambos, and in the twistys, esp mountain roads, the Porsches really shine, it's freaky-good. and for me, and and a lot of us, the turns are where the fun is. In rallys over 50 cars, we find that half, or more, are Porsches. Some people mod turbos, exhaust, methanol injection, and get really great sound and extra HP/speed, but I'm going for more stability and traction first. (springs, sway bars, spacers, slightly lower, and air diffusion).
You can't beat the comfort level in the T/S, seats, A/C, some noise reduction. a lot of the other cars are punishing over long drives. People have moved from Lambo, and GT3 RS's to the T/S. A lot of conversations now about how 720's are coming into a good price range now since they are being (are?) discontinued for 765 (I think). The comfort in the 720's is ok and you can fit if you're 6'4" (unlike Lambos).
Maintenance wise, no contest: Porsche.
Ferrari's sit in garages. Rarely do the owners drive them, esp to the limits as on some certain rallys.
Hell of a hobby and way to build business connections.
Rich, the tire temp is displayed to the right of the tach. You can toggle through the screen using the rotary push button on the steering wheel. "Vehicle general" is displaying now.I believe it is the next screen. Tubi X-pipes on the exhaust will solve your sound issue and you don't have to mess with cats etc.
Backseats are very useful, we’ve got (3) 911 cars in my family/siblings and we always talk about how we use the back seats and how glad we are to have them.
Also, there is a diffuser under the car, take your jack and jack the car up and take a look, it can’t be as visible from the back, because the engine is there
Yeah they look not that small, I’d definitely reckon they’re useful
Nice review, Richard. As a proud owner of a 911 4S (992), I'm very happy to confirm my next upgrade.
Nothing against McLaren but 911 is an icon 🔥🔥
The mclaren is nice but not reliable
@@rogermoore2365 High performance cars are not know for reliability
@@jayc342009Porsche’s are
@@tomw485 because all their cars are essentially the same
With 911 look suv taycan for old ladies and cayenne for old men in every street, nobody looks twice at them now
This was a great video for me. I just sold my 720s and got an allocation for a Turbo S. Would love to find out more about these rallies - drive hard 💪🏽
McClaren is like dating an Instagram model. Seemed like a good idea.
Just fun to ride for a day or two
Just a 765lt no problems
@@mistahozzygood for the weekends 💀
This is in fact the best and most honest Porsche 911 (992) Turbo S review I have seen.
911 all day🎉🎉🎉
The only problem I have with Mclarens is the gas millage especially in summer using ac/gas will drain the millage so if your destination is 15 miles the gas will use about 20-25 miles
Congrats on the Spyder RS. Looking forward to a review of that one 💪
Really enjoyed your review. I had a 992 4S and had similar issues that you spoke about. I’ve now had 2 Mclarens a 2021 GT and now an Artura and I do think that both drive better than the 992. You said so many that resonated with me as the 992 is a more subtle car which I miss. Where ever I go in my Mclaren, it gets noticed. But I do love the McLaren more from a daily driving perspective. Great review
Love your men’s empowerment stuff, and your car content almost as much. Thanks brother ❤
This was the exact video I was looking for, but not for the reason you think. I wanted in-depth, real world driving from someone that has done long road trips in a 992T. Having it compared to a McLaren is just icing on the cake, but I really came to hear you speak about the 992, and I'm impressed. I'm planning to buy one and take the ALCAN to Alaska, so it's almost a bonus you're Canadian LOL! MPG is a major factor for me and the research I've done, you can really hypermile this (28 - 30mpg), but more importantly, if you're running those "rips" and still getting good MPG's, then the reality is mixed MPG is still phenomenal for what it is.
I appreciate this video. Instant subscribe.
Watch many of your videos and appreciate your content. You did a remarkably good job doing a review and comparing these cars considering this isn’t your normal gig. You have a formidable knowledge of Porsche’s, and I agree with everything you said about the 911, probably one of the best all around reviews and summaries on the Turbo I’ve watched. Excellent job, your opinion is spot on on almost everything 👍
Being a car nut myself I really enjoyed this video. I remember when you first bought this car and briefly talked about it. I was the one who mentioned the likely range increase due to the new 8 speed PDK. I'm a former truck driver so range is important to me. As for the tire pressure sensor 0 to 100 I'm guessing percentage? That would make me nervous on a hot day running soft compound meat. My sedan with 40 series tires static psi is 37 but can get up to 41 on hot days. Again, awesome video. Much thanks!
Important stuff! lots of google searches on last rally about tire pressure. Temp variation and altitude over 8k ft. my BF with highly modded 911 t/s felt squishy in the back end. Over 170mph it felt to loose, turns at 2-3x speed rating not comfortable. But over-tuned and pushing 800 wheel hp on a a T/S is wild. (sound is AMAZING, snap-crackle-pop, and the hisssss of the blowout valves....wow!). We're prob switching to cup2 from M. pilot super sports. I am now skill-limited. time for racing school.
Range....meh....rally is limited by the thirsty....v12s and redonkulous vette's and stock racers. we usually stop as a group. (fun when 40+ super cars roll in to a rural gas station, kids, cameras, etc.). I get 290 mi normal driving and 200 mi hammer-down.
Nice vid! I've had the pleasure of driving 992 Turbo S at the Porsche Experience in ATL. Absolutely love that car.
I have a 2014 Panamera GTS, need the space for my instruments. It’s my daily. V8, carbon fibre trims inside. Best active wing deployment. Absolutely love it. Great purchase Richard!
loved your ACTUAL no nonsense approach. Nothing about this video was contrived. Great job. car/track driving enthusiast , love my 'wee 991.1 s" untill....
2023, 992 TurboS owner here as well. You are right spec it with a lot of carbon fiber and you would be satisfied 👍 I think Android support is on it now. # 2 agree, 7 is true. I think your spec though a great car your interior trim could have been spec’d with a bit more luxury. #10 is 100% true I have noises that are not normal and battling to have fixed. Still a very good review and hope you have many miles of fun 👍
Love this stuff Rich
Would be great to see more stuff like this
Love both brands to be honest
I know a lot of guys don't agree with me, but the 911 Turbo S is just something else. Design, performance, technology, value for money, reliability, versatility, and overall quality are just so much better than the McLaren.
German quality always beats British quality.
And last but not least, we all love a fat ass, don't we? 😜
Spot on dude
14:17... This is true of older Mercedes too. The doors close with a solid 'thunk', and the latching mechanism has a nice, rifle-like, lever-action sound.
That bolt action sound! ❤
Rich gotta say you speak very well. Very fluid.
Had both - the 720 is much more of an event to drive , although never had any reliability issues it was never far from my mind.
No such reliability concerns with the 992 although its a numb experience in comparison .
Did a road trip / weekend away in the 720S and managed to pack it out just about but comfort definitely became an issue towards the end . The infotainment is a shocker aswell .
Do find myself looking at turbos again though for some reason 🤦♂️😂
Good points on your review. I traded my 991.2 turbo s cab last year. I enjoyed it for over 30k miles with rallies etc. Mine had the aero pack but I found the downforce lacking at over 135. A heavy suitcase in the front trunk was a decent remedy but I never liked the feeling of the front end at high speeds even on long sweeping turns. But again not everyone goes over 135.
Fantastic video. The reason pre-996 911s sounded and felt like a vault door when closing is because they all had solid window frames. I don't care how much weight they added, I would pay to get them back optionally, on my 911s. Seriously, you could hear and clearly identify without looking, a pre-996 door slamming a block away. No other car sounded like an earlier 911 door closing. A solid "clink" with zero reverberation or rattle. Like closing the hatch on a Seawolf submarine... Unfortunately, I don't believe any current cars are made with solid window frames anymore...
I was very lucky to have all carbon fiber in my 911 turbo from the previous owner and my 944’s door closing sound is absolutely therapeutic!
Note: speaking to his review . Porsches like this are the highest markup for a mass produced car . 911s have like a 100% mark up and could be sold for 1/2 price and make same money by selling tons off them but porsche gets huge money overcharging which IS a better biz model . I heard a porsche marketing executive speak to why porsches although being high performance are priced so high for mass produced cars as noted hear . He basically said porsche owners enjoy the snob appeal that overpricing brings as well as the boring aspect mentions that appeals to those not wanting to be too peacockish .
The first 2 hates are easily solved with stage 1 software and decatted system 😊😂 the ES Motor packages for these would be amazing
Been waiting to see this video for awhile!
Good one. I enjoyed this video
I daily drive a 992 turbo S that I ordered and have close to 10k miles on it now in the US. I agree with all your points but with 1 correction and 2 other points. There is Android Auto (unless it's a '21 model year, I don't know. Mine is a '22). I used to have to plug in my phone to get Android Auto but now I got a new phone it somehow works wireless so that's cool.
I got an Akrapovic exhaust on my car and it sounds very mean when you get on it and idle is also much better. Last thing, I like the fake key on the left side which porsche is now getting rid of :)
This is a great honest review.
This is a really nice review, one of the nicest to hear! One comment - practically all reviewers forget about one important thing regarding back seats, including this review. I have dogs. They are part of my family. They are very comfortable on back seats! :)
Love the analysis! Unfortunately I still thought the seats in the 911 turbo s were still uncomfortable. 2022 M3 with standard seats is the sweet spot for me. Tuned to 630hp it still fits the bill and flies under the radar. ❤️ It!
Which M3 do you have? Considering the M3 Competition XDrive for my next car. I know the performance is great but curious how it is as a daily.
@@tomw485 2022 M3 xDrive Comp is what I have and the one to get. Blacked out body rims and pipes with the Silverstone interior. JB4 tune it and it's perfect for me. Outstanding daily 👍
@@lousogoodx Nice! Thanks for sharing!
come on now m3 vs 992 turbos and 720s?! LOL DUDE Wrong video😂
@@lousogoodxhows the ride quality good sir? Is it a good touring car?
Porsche 911 checks a lot of boxes for a lot of people. Thanks for the review.
I have new Artura. Have had 3 huracans including evo. Had 720S and Aventador S. Had 992 Turbo S. My favorite still Aventador S. Ordered new Reuvelto already. :)
And then you woke up, lol
You should be in my community, and join us on rallys - richcooper.ca
huracans seem to be the most reliable, moddable, best visibility. Aventador is a heavy, loud, pig, not good on track, but truly amazing look and sound. (don't have one, just talking to owners I know). beat one from a roll to 150mph in stock t/s w/o being in track mode, or even manually shifting.... he was so pissed.
@@rpgco.754what are you on about? Lamborghini Huracan Perfomante around Nurburgring 6:52, Lamborghini Aventador SVJ 6:44 a whole 8 second quicker around the track which is a lifetime.
Great review. I was thinking of getting the 911 Turbo S. I think I will hold off for a bit.
I switched from the PASM 992 GTS to the non-PASM Turbo S and absolutely love the Turbo S without the PASM for daily driving.
Great video. I also have a 992 turbo S and I do agree with some of your dislikes regarding the door quality and the lack of exterior carbon. Disagree (my opinion): I did spec mine with interior carbon, I actually like the start/stop switch and ride, love the interior trim, my dealer is amazing and have had no issues (car is only 3 months old). The complex gauge is a pain, but there is an option to minimize the screens which is very helpful. I love this car and will put lots of miles on it. Love your videos, thanks.
The fact that you use your cars properly, its no surprise that Porsche would be perfect for you.
Good stuff. Thanks
The left side ignition key is in respect to the Fords GT 40 days... Ha.. But I loved when Ford ran their ignition switches on the left. Hitting the ignition with you left hand while grabbing the shifter with your right hand. More of a feeling of control
911 gauges were all visible from 1999 until the 992 gen that brought back classic horizontal interior layout and blocking gauges. Doors great in 1998 w 993, modern era liquid cooled 1999 996 door close sound is weak, had hoped they’d made it solid (apparently not) since then. Carbon fiber only important to reduce weight in real areas, for interior style I’d rather have wood. My GSF has carbon fiber for interior decor (snooze). Flat six motors sound best when NOT turbo. With 991.2 they all became turbo and the extra plumbing muffles engine sounds, and no, exhaust cannot replace intake and other engine sounds. Back seat has been very usable with my two kids throughout elementary and now for middle n high school, although convertible makes back seat usable w top down for those taller in a way a coupe or Targa cannot. Oh and the sounds with top down!! McLaren service I am impressed to hear. LOVE to hear from owners who really drive them on vigorous tours.
Finally someone saying it as it is about them 911, which don’t get me wrong are amazing cars, but have their obviously flaws which seems no one can talk about without having the entire 911 army shutting you down from all angles.
It's just Porsche love.
I have a 2021 Turbo S. Sport design package gives it a little more aero look but I like the subtlety of the car. Only car guys know what this thing does. It is an absolute pleasure to drive. My only issue is that I’m not a big fan of the Burmeister sound. Launch is insane.
I understand that this comparison is based on your direct experiences, but when it comes to reliability, there’s literally no comparison between Porsches and McLarens in general. There is a huge amount of info to support this.
I was super suprised to hear that you ditched the 720, despite all the headaches
Rich based on your likes and dislikes, you are probably more suited to a GT or RS model Porsche. I think you will absolutely love the RS Spider when it arrives.
Not at the point, or even years close to the point where I could afford one of these, but still cool, still proud, all love over here, keep it coming!
Head down, focus, plan, execute, assess result, adjust, repeat = the life you want. fancy car or not, it's up to you.
@rpgco.754 oh heck yea :)
Great vid Rich. Would you ever consider getting an Aston?
Love this!
When you are a gt3rs owner, and want a 992 turbo s or 720 as a stable mate. Good comparison, enjoying the channel.
You can’t beat a 911 for almost every feasible situation …..911 GTS owner here 👍🏾💪🏾😀
Rich well said have a 993 and the sound and build quality is excellent. What I hear from you is not the same as old and price is high for some of the technology. Best quote I ever heard is the 911 is a one seat car just for the driver. Porsche now charges a premium for everything and they can get it. Hard to believe you cant open the rear hood and see the engine :).
Curious about the depreciation on the turbo s versus the Spyder.
The two cars I aspire to own one day :) if I remember will come back when I buy one
I’m curious how your RS5 has been treating you. I’m in the market for either an RS5 Sportback or M3 Competition XDrive. Looking for something fast and fun but still practical with back seats and a trunk that I can daily drive. The RS5 seems like it might be more livable but the performance numbers on the M3 are very impressive especially for a sports sedan under 100k USD.
Also great comprehensive review of the 911 Turbo S. Amazing car.
Didn't watch this specific video but I have seen and worked on plenty of both cars. I can confidently say that Mclarens are garbage for the price, build quality is abysmal. They straight up have poorly design parts. Porsche have their problems, specially because they are pushing the technology envelope a lot but in general are a much more solid product.
The Porsche 911 Turbo S is the perfect daily driver. I own a 2018 Nissan GTR Stage 1 640whp, and while obviously I jump ahead, the 911 Turbo S gives me a decent fight, those things are a stock beast. I'm considering it as my daily.
Turbos can be optioned with carbon fiber and there are many after market options to add.
It's crazy how much one can do to any car. I'd say 1/2 the cars in a given rally are heavily modded. Problem is passing emissions tests and newer "connected" cars getting tunes reset by manufacturer. Friend purposely fried the wifi/sat modem in is custom built 1100hp vette engine because chevy dials in nightly and would reset his tune. Daily emails about how they cant connect to his car...lol. Got to have a mechanic in your weekly life now. dead battery...tune lost. And the pesky popo not "appreciating" custom exhaust. ( although most cops are car nuts and love to check out the crazy mods). If your year is up for emissions test (USA)....time to put on the original exhaust and run a stock tune. Not a cheap hobby!
Would appreciate more reviews of your cars
Nice to hear the GT car was great at doing GT car stuff.
Why not keep both cars? Especially since you’ll be adding another Porsche next year
Just got an allocation for my Turbo S. I can't wait!
My 2024TTS has android auto. Cool video.
Rich is an Android guy... I like him even more now 🙌
No tire temp and android auto on 992 Turbo S surprises me. The '15 supercharged C7 Stingray had it, my '14 F10 M5 has it. My '17 F Type R doesn't have tire temp, heads up display or cooled seats
Put the display in simplified mode and that solves it! It's perfect and you can see everything you need to see very clearly. Why do so many commentators nitpick on this and fail to mention this point?
um, because I(we) wanna drive and not RTFM. not kidding, I didn't realize I had storage under the door arm rests for a year. I'm all.....LET's GOOOOOOOOOO! maybe i should take a goddam moment......
Despite realizing that more or less everything about the 911 is probably better, the 720S is my dream car. There’s nothing better that it in my mind.
I'll probably do the same with a 720s, as I know people who can turn the wrenches. But the Ferrari 488 or F8 comp haunts my dreams. I just don't want to become an owner of an idle piece of art. It needs to scream. I hope to wreck one one day.
The 720s is the car of dreams... from what ive heard online from reviewers, it has an unmatched INTENSITY....I would be thrilled with either though...you would never hear any complaints, at least from this driver...
Radar detector or detector systems? Recommendations?
I think the GT3 RS would be a more apples to apples comparison. The turbo is more of a daily driver
Thank you for the video.
@1:20 Thanks for going over fuel economy first. Every car I own I test and figure out the cruise controls best speed for best economy with a semi trailer draft (except the Volt, draft has no effect) .
Volt Gen1 gasoline override 62mph => 2.38gal/100,
Caprice 78 50mph (no overdrive) => 4.41
Mazdaspeed6 65mph in 6th => 3.03
626 Gen5 55mph => 2.51
Skylark GS Gen6 was wierd 80mph & 60 had same RPM and gal/100, so I just drove at 80
Probe was bad with fuel. Only got 5.26, so I adjusted and held RPM at a higher constant and it actually got better gal/100
Porsche and Corvettes are the most efficient.
@:20 Also, it's just just UA-cam, minus the "S"
Sincerely the Grammar Police
Dude, I have a 992 911 Turbo S and was laughing through this vid because you most of the cons spot on.
However, I think you’re missing a bottom panel. Mine has panels that cover the entire bottom of the car - the engine is definitely not exposed.
Turbo s Rules! Had a 2016 great car! Waiting for the hybrid! I'm sure stay with a 765
Dream car Porsche 911 Turbo S! Darth Vader style! Also why the car start is on the left? Dr Ferdinand Porsche PhD was a left handed and LeMas drivers had to run and start which you said!
Can't wait
Porsche 911 turbo s top of the line 👌 nice rich
Awesome man, I'm looking at the Turbo S, maybe the Hybrid version. I need to sell my Tesla (stock!)🤣 .
What are the odds you made a vid comparing my two favorite cars
About to road trip my 992 turbo s 300mi rt 🎉
It's crazy that you are shy one model year from having factory Android Auto. It's available from '21 onwards. It will be in the next one you order. Even including the wireless option
Which part of Canada are you in Rich?
More car videos!
What do you think of the Lexus LC500?
More of the occasional car review please
What does the ring on the right ring finger signify?
As a honda civic owner, I agree.
I have a 991.2 turbo S convertible. I did not realize that they stopped putting carbon fiber on the interior. I have a bunch of carbon fiber in my car that was standard at the time. Disappointing at that price point because I was hoping to buy 992 turbo S convertible when the prices come back to earth.
Good info on the lack of carbon fiber
I'm gonna fill that market
Put me down for some front and rear diffusers. CF seats w/ AC(of course), CF tail, hood, sunroof.
From someone with love for driving sports/super cars at illegal speeds: great review but I think you will like your Spyder RS much more. 911 Turbo S is just too big and heavy and it feels like it
I have a thing for the little Porsche… Cayman 718 GT4 spec… lighter smaller than the 911. Just fun but probably not as good at the 911 on longer touring trips…
Looks like you may have gotten to prove it out on some Tennessee twisty roads 🏁🐉
I drove the 570S and the 911 Carrera S...Both nice McLaren was more of sports car Carrera more of an appliance for speed. Prefer the New Aston Martin Vantage to both since it is WAY more comfortable and fast enough and handles good enough.