I'm in Australia and when I was 17 back in the early 70s I bought an Armstrong Siddeley Utility Coupe. Which was based on the Lancaster. I loved it! ThecPre selector box was amazing. Your video brings back some wonderful memories!
Preselect gearboxes were very common on urban buses in the mid 20th century because of the ease of driving with stop-start traffic and closely spaced bus stops, much easier than a crash box. London Transport standardised on preselect from the 1930s to 1950s. On buses the preselect box was eventually displaced by the semi-automatic (based on the same Wilson technology but with no 'clutch' pedal), or (in London especially) fully automatic transmission.
I am told the Army called them the Gear Change Pedal. London Transport called them the Operating Pedal. Nearly three thousand STL type buses had the floor mounted selector and mechanically linked operating pedal, and 7000 odd RT type buses had the column selector and compressed air operating pedal. The Routemaster, (RM) took the idea one step further, with electro pneumatic operation of the epicyclic gear bands, with direct selection of the gears via the column selector, or automatic changes,(fourth gear position) triggered by the speed sensitive generator, pulling off in second gear, changing to third at 12 m0ph, and top, at 18 to 20 mph, giving a nice progressive ride to passengers and Conductor, but with the option to use first gear and higher gears to best effect for terrain and to maintain time.
Gosh this takes me back to 1966 when I was in secondary school, some kind person donated a Armstrong for our mechanics course, the car that was donated was far superior to this one. It had it own Jack's fitted to the chassis to enable you to change a wheel, in the rear seating area there were tastes to hold onto that were suspended from the roof area, pull out wooden (chestnut) foot rests, fold down pick nick trays from the rear seats. Everything about this car was pure luxury! Unfortunately some thugs broke into the school grounds and wrecked this priceless beautiful car! I often think of her.
Lovely car! Back when I was a teenager, a friend of mine had a Sapphire. It was a real junker, but you could still feel the quality coming through. It also had the pre-selector gearbox, but it was a later version - controlled by a switch on the end of a fixed "column shift" type lever, and had the conventional "H" pattern. BTW, it is NOT a clutch pedal! It is a gear selector pedal! There is no clutch, but there is a "fluid flywheel" - an early form of torque converter as used in automatics. You select the gear on the switch, and press the pedal when you want it to change. Unlike a clutch, it doesn't need any delicacy! It is, if you like, a similar system to a modern paddle shift automatic. Once in top gear, my friend always used to immediately select third, so that when he needed it, all he had to do was press the gear-change pedal. Happy days!
I agree with you on the leather front (and Im a vegetarian) When I got my car retrimmed, there wasn't that much difference in the costs of vinyl vs leather as labour is a ig part of the costs...
Armstrong Siddeley used to make a 'ute' version for the Australian market called a 'Station Coupe', I used to see one running around Frome years ago, it's reg was PUG something, I think it still survives
Jonathan, we actually made two different utes, here in Australia. A Coupé Utility and a Station Utility. The Coupé has 4 seats and was more luxurious and then the more basic, but bigger bed, Station version.
@@paulscountrygarage9180 I guess we got them as a rolling chassis maybe and the bodies were put on here hence the different versions? I wonder how many came here?
Loved this! Took me back to 1959, when 6-year-old me rode in one of these (only my second or third car ride!). I remember being fascinated by that pre-selector. Meant to add that I once read that this led to the cars being advertised as suitable "for the daughters of gentlemen" (!)
God, I love it!!!! These majestic British luxury cars are from a bygone time, but oh so important in preserving! Even the name conjures up class, distinction, and refinement. Perfection!
Regarding the trafficators, you can now get flashing LED bulbs for them, which makes them far more visible and instantly understood. I've got them on my Minor, and had no problems with people not seeing/understanding them.
The saracen, ferret, saladin armoured vehicles in the Army had fluid flywheels, pre selectors, main thing is to keep them well topped up, they started in second just the same.
What a treat! Armstrong Siddeley were real innovators and made a quality car. I’m glad that you gave the Wilson preselector a whirl. Perhaps you’ll have the opportunity to drive a Star Sapphire in future.
What a lovely lady you are and a breath of fresh air. I’ve viewed many of your videos by now and love how you come across sympathetically but truthfully. For decades, Ive owned many classic cars - currently a series 1 Landrover. It’s wonderful to see younger people like yourself also taking to keeping our older historical vehicles going with much enthusiasm. Keep going with your channel - excellent😊
I agree with you that the dealer having the seats re-trimmed in vinyl rather than leather is a disappointment! Looks a lot of fun to drive though, and if the values are lower than other luxury competitors from the same era, then maybe tidy vinyl seats are better than the thread-bare-leather would have been. Maybe a leather scented air freshener would be the answer! 😉 It was interesting to see the preselector in action. I gather that part of the idea was that you could have the higher or lower gear ready and waiting the press the pedal to make the change at the exact moment as required. So up a gear just as the engine was getting to the top of the rev range or down a gear on the apex of a bend (or maybe on the way into a bend at least) to accelerate out the other side. Plus it didn’t require any clutch control skills from the driver! Thanks for another good video of an older car that is outside of my normal late 60’s to early 00’s knowledge base!
Another really interesting video. When I was at school in the 50`s, I was, to say the least, a reluctant scholar, so was always getting the cane or detention. Our deputy headmaster had a Lanchester, and as a punishment, he got me to wash it at lunchtime. One thing I did have an interest in though, was cars. I noticed the gearchange was different than my uncle`s Fordson lorry. He explained it was a pre select box. I never saw one again until I started on London Transport and started driving the old RT`s and RF`s, which all had pre select boxes. And just to be picky, a pre select doesn`t have a clutch, it`s called an operating pedal, as they have fluid flywheels.
@@roygardiner2229 No, the Routemaster was semi automatic / automatic. Basically, you could leave it in 4th and it worked as an auto, or you could use it as a semi auto by changing gear as normal. There was no clutch / operating pedal, as it also had a fluid flywheel. The RT, which was the predecessor of the RM was the one with pre select, as was the RF single decker.
Up till the mid 1930s, London buses generally had crash gearboxes, which must have been hard work for the drivers in central London traffic with no power steering, so a preselect drive with fluid flywheel was seen as a big advance in making the driver's job easier. I don't think synchromesh manual boxes came onto the market for buses until after WW2.
@@jamesadlam9875 Around the late 70`s, I worked on United Counties buses for a while, which had a variety of vehicles, with manual and semi boxes, but they still had some crash box vehicles, in the form of the Bristol F Lodekkas, with either 4 or five speed crash boxes. Put my double declutching skills to the test.
Steph, what a lovely car. It takes me back to when my boss in the early 1980s had a Star Sapphire. It was a real limo, almost as good as a Rolls Royce, but much rarer. It had a conventional auto as opposed to a pre-select box. It was lovely as well with lots of wood and leather.
What a really nice car you've shown us there, you are the one and only person ever to have grasped my interest with pre 1950 cars. Good luck with the quest to lose weight Steph, I can tell your heart is really in it and I'll keep my fingers crossed you achieve your goal.
The pre selector gear box is quite is quite good an it is surprising more cars did not come with it. Good to see you got the hang of it. Awesome video. 🙂🌞🙂🌞
The big advantage of a preselect gearbox over a crashbox is, of course, that you will never suffer from the embarrassment of grating gears. However by the 50s synchromesh (at least on the upper gears) gearboxes were pretty much standard. In the post war period Armstrong Siddeley gave their buyers the choice of manual synchromesh boxes or preselect gearboxes and by the early fifties automatic gearboxes were available for the Sapphire 346 cars. So whatever your transmission preference there was an Armstrong Siddeley to suit you.
I have never seen a Lancaster, either. Armstron Siddeley have a very active owner's group, so it should be possible to keep one running. I remember a number of Sapphires in regular use in New Zealand in the 80s, In fact, a classmate's parents had one that I rode in a few times. Nice description of the preselector box. I remember traveling in old busses with the same arrangement on school trips in the 80s.
Another brilliant video Steph. You are very brave taking out all these different vehicles belonging to other people and getting stuck in, driving them with all their quirks, particularly in this case with the pre-select gearbox. Always wanted to try driving a Wilson although Iʻve driven a later Bristol bus with Self Changing Gears (heavier version of same thing developed by same company) I can remember as a little tike riding in the Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire of a friend of my mother - I can still smell the wood and leather. I canʻt remember hearing of the Lancaster model but there were plenty of Sapphires, Whitleys, Typhoons and Tempests in New Zealand and there are still a few around. A friend had a Typhoon or Tempest, canʻt remember which, not far from here a few years back. Keep the videos coming, really enjoying them as most of the older English cars featured, we had in New Zealand!
According to Wikipedia "the Armstrong Siddeley Owners Club Ltd. now owns all the patents, designs, copyrights and trademarks, including the name "Armstrong Siddeley"
Quite right Michael, but perhaps of greater relevance is that when the company stopped offering service facilities and parts for Armstrong Siddeley cars the then relatively newly formed Armstrong Siddeley Owners Club purchased the entire stock of remaining parts to ensure that owners could keep their cars on the road. Today the club still has some of this stock, augmented by many remanufactured parts and useable second hand items too. The major part of these stores is for post-war cars but there are still a good number of parts for pre-war cars too.
I had them when I was a kid. One reason they are pleasant to drive is that the steering is remarkably light for a car of that size and vintage. My brother still has several Armstrong Siddeleys as does my best mate. Brother has the convertible version of this shape called the Hurricane. Mate has Lancaster like this and a Coupe Utility. ( pickup )
Thanks Steph for another classic test drive. I first came across that model in a book that I first had late in 1983, one of a series published by the Olyslager Auto Library, British Cars of the Early Fifties. I also have a bigger book which I first bought in September 1986 about the Cars of 1945-70. According to info in the bigger book, there were only 12,570 examples of that car made between 1946 and 1953. I just love your road tests, they're just based on the original format of the original Top Gear TV show as I first remember seeing in the 1980s before those three hooligans Clarkson, May & Hammond ruined the whole thing and made it their own. I bet your reviews & road tests will just about KO Clarkson & company. Great stuff, love ya Steph.
I'd never heard of the Armstrong Siddley Lancaster before and I love the connection to the Lancaster Bomber. Just like John, my grandfather had an Armstrong Siddley - a Sapphire - and dad tells great stories of being a boy and being able to stand up in the boot. Love the quirky gearbox too. Great review as always. Hopefully I'll get to say hello to you this weekend again too.
Another great film Steph. Armstrong Siddeley is one of those classic names - thanks for showing us around this one and for bringing it to life. Dare I suggest that this one looks better from the back than from the front?
Wow what a gorgeous car. Excellent video and details however I have to agree with you that the vinyl interior looks very wrong. Almost circa 1976 Morris Marina.
That's not typical for these cars, They are normally pretty reliable. I had them when I was a kid. Being young and stupid I drove them way too hard but they stood up well.
@@grantparsons6205 Yeah I was in Australia too. I think it was overheating and a blown head gasket that got my main one. Never got to repairing it but I'm sure a head gasket is all it needed.
There was a two tone green one running around in Cape Town in the later sixties, it used to fill up at my dads garage in Ottery , it fascinated me as a school boy.
Another point about the preselector is that you can think much further ahead than just the few seconds shown here - for example, if you're driving along in top, it's odds-on that the next gear you're going to want will be third, so you can move the lever to 3rd at any time and just leave it there. Come time to change down, reduce speed, then just press the gear change pedal, and done.
With a pre select gearbox it's not a clutch pedal it's a gear change pedal. Anyone familiar with Ferret scout car will be at home with this. Compared with cars of this era the horn on modern cars sound a bit wimpy. and anaemic.
A lovely old lady she is too. Yes Steph the seats let it down, being a former upholster I noticed that straight away. It could easily be rectified at a later date. That driving experience must have been strange at first but I think it is spot on for the era of the car. Thanks for the video Steph take care.👍👍
I saw an Armstrong Siddeley Saphire on sale when I was looking for my first car, and fell in love with it, but my wife was not convinced that it would be suitable for our need at that time.
One of my loveliest memories was sitting on the front armrest of an A.S. Star Sapphire in 1963 when I was about 7 years old as my grandfather drove it at 100 mph on the A12.
If I owned a car like this, I would feel I had to drive everywhere in a 3-piece suit and a trilby hat! It has that sense of occasion that few modern cars can manage. I see it has plenty of beehive headroom, these things are important (not so much in my case, admittedly).
I can remember my mum having an Armstrong Sidley Saffire an there was 2 saffires parked up near Broomfield hospital on old a130 about 15 years back . Lovely motors big respect girl xx
Realy nice experience ! It looks to me that Armstrong Siddely knew how to build a quality saloon . It looks well put together , verry well proportioned , with a tippicaly Brittish interrior , so inviting ! What allways surprises me is the attention to detail , every component no matter how smal , is designed and made very well . Just that Art Deco ashtray alone ! I guess it was quite an expensif car back then , i reccon above the Rover P3 and 4 . I wish the current owner much plessure with this beautiful car .
Preselector boxes used to be quite common on buses in the 1960s, particularly the more advanced designs like the Routemaster and Midland Red D9. I don't think the Lancaster is the only car with one and I have never driven a car with one but I think there were other models which had this feature.
Nice review! Well balanced and thoughtfully done. A couple of other nice little touches; the steering wheel boss doesn't move with the wheel, so you never have to go hunting for the trafficators and dip switch, and the front shut lines of the front doors really add to the overall styling of the side of the car. The expansive (and very foot accommodating) curve immediately stood out in the sea of staight up and down shut lines of today. Manually canceiling trafficators ;-) Thank you for uploading this!
Hi Steph, thanks for another great video. That is a lovely classic, those were really high-quality cars, I remember my grandad mentioning them. My favourite is the Sapphire...I'd love you to test drive one!
Nice drive! Probably best to call it the Gearchange pedal rather than the clutch. The best Wilson box variant was the prewar Talbot with what they called the Traffic Clutch. You engaged first, moved off and then just stamped on the pedal when the box would change up a gear with the lever moving by itself. More than 7000 London Transport RT type buses were Wilson equipped as were many of British Railways' first generation diesel trains; these also had a freewheel like many Rovers.
One of THE most beautiful cars ever made full stop.. Mulliners did coachwork for the Queen's cars. The elegance and striking good looks set this apart from dreary, samey, bland cars.. A thing of pure beauty.!
When I was a boy there was one of these lived round the corner. Also, our mayoral car was an AW Whitley limousine, which was very impressive in formal black.
I have been known to drive a Daimler bus at a local museum fitted with a Pre-Selector box. Although the pedal for changing gear is in the clutch position it isn't a clutch pedal. It should really be referred to as a speed change pedal. There is no clutch on a Pre -selector box but rather a fluid flywheel.
I misread that as Lanchester at first but that was a different make of luxury car. If you ever get chance to test drive a Lanchester I would be interested. I was a student at what was once called Lanchester Polytechnic (now Coventry University).
I must subscribe to your channel, I remember an Armstrong Siddeley show room in Tottenham North London where I lived in the 50s 60s, they had 2 on show there they were 2 tone, siver and grey, they were the more expensive cars to buy. thanks for posting.
Another great video Steph. Armstrong Siddeleys must be quite rare in general, as I've seen very few, and haven't heard people talk about them. The body of that car reminds me of a Rolls Royce or a Jagaur.
A lot of these were exported to the "Colonies" - Australia etc. There was a slightly later version built as a Utility (pick up) for the Australian market. Sturdy, long lasting cars!
Nice one Steph, didn’t know much about these and can’t even remember seeing one. 16hp and top speed of 60 isn’t Santa Pod but I bet driving one is something special.
That's 16 fiscal horsepower, not 16 bhp. The Lancaster probably produces something like 60bhp, maybe even 70 or 80bhp. Cars like this aren't about top speed, but I would expect 60mph to be its cruising speed not top speed.
Shock... It's a Pre-Select Transmission that doesn't sing in 2nd gear!! You're also the first person I've heard refer to the gear change pedal as a "clutch" in a vehicle with Pre-Select, Steph! Great video as always too, btw!
Sorry Steph I had to laugh your haircolor and that of the wooden dash are the same, I realised that at the end. Had a good chuckle, thank you for that and showing this car I never heard of let alone ever seen.
A car manufacturer I've never heard of. A very lovely car with that coach-like interior, high roof, real wood and leather, very nice instruments and a drivability on modern roads. I love a lot these "grandma's dining room"-cars!
Great video Steph. The Armstrong Siddeley was a great car and popular here in Australia. The Wilson pre-select, and other brands, were popular gearboxes and were common in race cars. Buses such as AEC used a pre-select as well. The AS had a fluid flywheel so that you could select a gear at rest and the car wouldn’t move until you accelerated. Daimler used pre-select gearboxes for the bulk of their production life feeling they were more refined than the crash boxes.
@@chasermalloy7406 yep, you are correct. Not sure why I wrote “fluid flywheel” must have been thinking of Daimler when I wrote it. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@paulscountrygarage9180 Yes, I think the preselect siddeleys always used the centrifugal clutch but note sure. Whitley Lancaster, Hurricane definitely had the clutch. Can't say whether any earlier ones may have used the fluid flywheel.
Although the Armstrong Siddeley Lancaster model had a short life, I think other improved models were in production until 1960 or so. I think the last model produced was the Star Sapphire.
Your right about the missing leather feel and smell . Here in the USA it is something which we seldom exspearience , that is why older british autos have always been of interest to me . I love that steering wheel design . Did I here you say 16 or 60 horse power ?
Is that pre-select transmission made by WILSON, who also made pre-select transmissions for the AEC RT buses of old……..? (The pedal was known at LONDON TRANSPORT as an “operating-pedal” as the clutch was automatic)
Gorgeous car! Not perfect but a perfect classic daily driver. Finally a car I can truly relate to, my uncle in the Isle Of Man 🇮🇲 owns one but I’ve not had the chance to fly from Australia to see family & checkout his Armstrong Sideley. It’s a pity the seats aren’t at least partially trimmed with leather for that authentic classic car smell. The owner of this car is well spoken & could make a good co host for future videos 😊👍
I'm in Australia and when I was 17 back in the early 70s I bought an Armstrong Siddeley Utility Coupe. Which was based on the Lancaster. I loved it! ThecPre selector box was amazing. Your video brings back some wonderful memories!
My grandfather had one of these for years, we once got 80mph out of it on the motorway, was absolutely terrifying.
I love your older car drives,makes me want one.
Preselect gearboxes were very common on urban buses in the mid 20th century because of the ease of driving with stop-start traffic and closely spaced bus stops, much easier than a crash box. London Transport standardised on preselect from the 1930s to 1950s. On buses the preselect box was eventually displaced by the semi-automatic (based on the same Wilson technology but with no 'clutch' pedal), or (in London especially) fully automatic transmission.
I am told the Army called them the Gear Change Pedal. London Transport called them the Operating Pedal. Nearly three thousand STL type buses had the floor mounted selector and mechanically linked operating pedal, and 7000 odd RT type buses had the column selector and compressed air operating pedal. The Routemaster, (RM) took the idea one step further, with electro pneumatic operation of the epicyclic gear bands, with direct selection of the gears via the column selector, or automatic changes,(fourth gear position) triggered by the speed sensitive generator, pulling off in second gear, changing to third at 12 m0ph, and top, at 18 to 20 mph, giving a nice progressive ride to passengers and Conductor, but with the option to use first gear and higher gears to best effect for terrain and to maintain time.
Gosh this takes me back to 1966 when I was in secondary school, some kind person donated a Armstrong for our mechanics course, the car that was donated was far superior to this one.
It had it own Jack's fitted to the chassis to enable you to change a wheel, in the rear seating area there were tastes to hold onto that were suspended from the roof area, pull out wooden (chestnut) foot rests, fold down pick nick trays from the rear seats.
Everything about this car was pure luxury!
Unfortunately some thugs broke into the school grounds and wrecked this priceless beautiful car!
I often think of her.
Lovely car! Back when I was a teenager, a friend of mine had a Sapphire. It was a real junker, but you could still feel the quality coming through. It also had the pre-selector gearbox, but it was a later version - controlled by a switch on the end of a fixed "column shift" type lever, and had the conventional "H" pattern. BTW, it is NOT a clutch pedal! It is a gear selector pedal! There is no clutch, but there is a "fluid flywheel" - an early form of torque converter as used in automatics. You select the gear on the switch, and press the pedal when you want it to change. Unlike a clutch, it doesn't need any delicacy! It is, if you like, a similar system to a modern paddle shift automatic. Once in top gear, my friend always used to immediately select third, so that when he needed it, all he had to do was press the gear-change pedal. Happy days!
I agree with you on the leather front (and Im a vegetarian) When I got my car retrimmed, there wasn't that much difference in the costs of vinyl vs leather as labour is a ig part of the costs...
The leather they put in cars these days is rubbish though....unless it's a Rolls. They put this micro thin leather on a material backing.
You never have to ask a prick if they are a vegetarian.
They always tell you.
A very nice review of a lovely car! I’ve seen a single Armstrong Siddeley here in the USA, years ago. I remember its solidity and elegance. Thanks!
Armstrong Siddeley used to make a 'ute' version for the Australian market called a 'Station Coupe', I used to see one running around Frome years ago, it's reg was PUG something, I think it still survives
Jonathan, we actually made two different utes, here in Australia. A Coupé Utility and a Station Utility. The Coupé has 4 seats and was more luxurious and then the more basic, but bigger bed, Station version.
@@paulscountrygarage9180 I guess we got them as a rolling chassis maybe and the bodies were put on here hence the different versions? I wonder how many came here?
@@peterriggall8409 I think you are correct.
There is one of your Australian ute versions here in New Zealand
What a treat to see such a rare classic. I love to see these long gone old British marques. Thanks for taking us along for the ride.
Loved this! Took me back to 1959, when 6-year-old me rode in one of these (only my second or third car ride!). I remember being fascinated by that pre-selector. Meant to add that I once read that this led to the cars being advertised as suitable "for the daughters of gentlemen" (!)
God, I love it!!!! These majestic British luxury cars are from a bygone time, but oh so important in preserving! Even the name conjures up class, distinction, and refinement. Perfection!
Regarding the trafficators, you can now get flashing LED bulbs for them, which makes them far more visible and instantly understood. I've got them on my Minor, and had no problems with people not seeing/understanding them.
Funny - thought of doing this, Didn't realize it has already been done
The saracen, ferret, saladin armoured vehicles in the Army had fluid flywheels, pre selectors, main thing is to keep them well topped up, they started in second just the same.
As did London Transport's AEC RT double deck buses
@@alastairqueen7973 and the AEC Regal IV's and Guy Arab's in Western Australia!
This car of course had a centrifugal clutch, not a fluid flywheel.
What a treat! Armstrong Siddeley were real innovators and made a quality car. I’m glad that you gave the Wilson preselector a whirl. Perhaps you’ll have the opportunity to drive a Star Sapphire in future.
Thank you. Star Sapphires definitely came to NZ and the last one I saw here was a beautiful restoration with a nice bright green paint job.
What a lovely lady you are and a breath of fresh air. I’ve viewed many of your videos by now and love how you come across sympathetically but truthfully. For decades, Ive owned many classic cars - currently a series 1 Landrover.
It’s wonderful to see younger people like yourself also taking to keeping our older historical vehicles going with much enthusiasm.
Keep going with your channel - excellent😊
I agree with you that the dealer having the seats re-trimmed in vinyl rather than leather is a disappointment! Looks a lot of fun to drive though, and if the values are lower than other luxury competitors from the same era, then maybe tidy vinyl seats are better than the thread-bare-leather would have been. Maybe a leather scented air freshener would be the answer! 😉 It was interesting to see the preselector in action. I gather that part of the idea was that you could have the higher or lower gear ready and waiting the press the pedal to make the change at the exact moment as required. So up a gear just as the engine was getting to the top of the rev range or down a gear on the apex of a bend (or maybe on the way into a bend at least) to accelerate out the other side. Plus it didn’t require any clutch control skills from the driver! Thanks for another good video of an older car that is outside of my normal late 60’s to early 00’s knowledge base!
One of the rarest versions would be a station coupe or what we in Australia would call a ute or a utility
Another really interesting video. When I was at school in the 50`s, I was, to say the least, a reluctant scholar, so was always getting the cane or detention. Our deputy headmaster had a Lanchester, and as a punishment, he got me to wash it at lunchtime. One thing I did have an interest in though, was cars. I noticed the gearchange was different than my uncle`s Fordson lorry. He explained it was a pre select box. I never saw one again until I started on London Transport and started driving the old RT`s and RF`s, which all had pre select boxes. And just to be picky, a pre select doesn`t have a clutch, it`s called an operating pedal, as they have fluid flywheels.
I did not realise that the Routemaster had a pre-select gear change. Thanks!
@@roygardiner2229 No, the Routemaster was semi automatic / automatic. Basically, you could leave it in 4th and it worked as an auto, or you could use it as a semi auto by changing gear as normal. There was no clutch / operating pedal, as it also had a fluid flywheel. The RT, which was the predecessor of the RM was the one with pre select, as was the RF single decker.
Up till the mid 1930s, London buses generally had crash gearboxes, which must have been hard work for the drivers in central London traffic with no power steering, so a preselect drive with fluid flywheel was seen as a big advance in making the driver's job easier. I don't think synchromesh manual boxes came onto the market for buses until after WW2.
@@jamesadlam9875 Around the late 70`s, I worked on United Counties buses for a while, which had a variety of vehicles, with manual and semi boxes, but they still had some crash box vehicles, in the form of the Bristol F Lodekkas, with either 4 or five speed crash boxes. Put my double declutching skills to the test.
@@bustersw1760 that must have been tough work!
Steph, what a lovely car. It takes me back to when my boss in the early 1980s had a Star Sapphire. It was a real limo, almost as good as a Rolls Royce, but much rarer. It had a conventional auto as opposed to a pre-select box. It was lovely as well with lots of wood and leather.
TNT says I had one and lurved it.
What a really nice car you've shown us there, you are the one and only person ever to have grasped my interest with pre 1950 cars. Good luck with the quest to lose weight Steph, I can tell your heart is really in it and I'll keep my fingers crossed you achieve your goal.
The pre selector gear box is quite is quite good an it is surprising more cars did not come with it. Good to see you got the hang of it.
Awesome video.
🙂🌞🙂🌞
The big advantage of a preselect gearbox over a crashbox is, of course, that you will never suffer from the embarrassment of grating gears. However by the 50s synchromesh (at least on the upper gears) gearboxes were pretty much standard. In the post war period Armstrong Siddeley gave their buyers the choice of manual synchromesh boxes or preselect gearboxes and by the early fifties automatic gearboxes were available for the Sapphire 346 cars. So whatever your transmission preference there was an Armstrong Siddeley to suit you.
This car is 73 years old, King George VI was the monarch when it was new.
I have never seen a Lancaster, either. Armstron Siddeley have a very active owner's group, so it should be possible to keep one running. I remember a number of Sapphires in regular use in New Zealand in the 80s, In fact, a classmate's parents had one that I rode in a few times.
Nice description of the preselector box. I remember traveling in old busses with the same arrangement on school trips in the 80s.
Another brilliant video Steph. You are very brave taking out all these different vehicles belonging to other people and getting stuck in, driving them with all their quirks, particularly in this case with the pre-select gearbox. Always wanted to try driving a Wilson although Iʻve driven a later Bristol bus with Self Changing Gears (heavier version of same thing developed by same company) I can remember as a little tike riding in the Armstrong Siddeley Sapphire of a friend of my mother - I can still smell the wood and leather. I canʻt remember hearing of the Lancaster model but there were plenty of Sapphires, Whitleys, Typhoons and Tempests in New Zealand and there are still a few around. A friend had a Typhoon or Tempest, canʻt remember which, not far from here a few years back. Keep the videos coming, really enjoying them as most of the older English cars featured, we had in New Zealand!
According to Wikipedia "the Armstrong Siddeley Owners Club Ltd. now owns all the patents, designs, copyrights and trademarks, including the name "Armstrong Siddeley"
Quite right Michael, but perhaps of greater relevance is that when the company stopped offering service facilities and parts for Armstrong Siddeley cars the then relatively newly formed Armstrong Siddeley Owners Club purchased the entire stock of remaining parts to ensure that owners could keep their cars on the road. Today the club still has some of this stock, augmented by many remanufactured parts and useable second hand items too. The major part of these stores is for post-war cars but there are still a good number of parts for pre-war cars too.
Ooh , you lucky thing , what a gorgeous vintage car and weather for driving it .
I had them when I was a kid. One reason they are pleasant to drive is that the steering is remarkably light for a car of that size and vintage. My brother still has several Armstrong Siddeleys as does my best mate. Brother has the convertible version of this shape called the Hurricane. Mate has Lancaster like this and a Coupe Utility. ( pickup )
Thanks Steph for another classic test drive. I first came across that model in a book that I first had late in 1983, one of a series published by the Olyslager Auto Library, British Cars of the Early Fifties. I also have a bigger book which I first bought in September 1986 about the Cars of 1945-70. According to info in the bigger book, there were only 12,570 examples of that car made between 1946 and 1953. I just love your road tests, they're just based on the original format of the original Top Gear TV show as I first remember seeing in the 1980s before those three hooligans Clarkson, May & Hammond ruined the whole thing and made it their own. I bet your reviews & road tests will just about KO Clarkson & company. Great stuff, love ya Steph.
Excellent review, I've always wondered how a Pre-Selector gearbox worked and you've now answered that question for me, thanks Steph.
Steph, a cracking film. Thank you.
I'd never heard of the Armstrong Siddley Lancaster before and I love the connection to the Lancaster Bomber. Just like John, my grandfather had an Armstrong Siddley - a Sapphire - and dad tells great stories of being a boy and being able to stand up in the boot. Love the quirky gearbox too.
Great review as always. Hopefully I'll get to say hello to you this weekend again too.
Oh bless you Steph. As a vegetarian I couldn't care less about the vinyl seats ♥️ What a lovely car
Another great film Steph. Armstrong Siddeley is one of those classic names - thanks for showing us around this one and for bringing it to life. Dare I suggest that this one looks better from the back than from the front?
Quintessential British car.
As British as the Citroen DS was French, the Mercedes 300 SL was German, and the Cadillac was American.
Thanks Steph , lovely old bus ! Agree on the seats , they just look wrong , doesn’t detract much from the car though.
Wow what a gorgeous car.
Excellent video and details however I have to agree with you that the vinyl interior looks very wrong. Almost circa 1976 Morris Marina.
I had a 1949 18hp for many years. Lovely smooth drive but what a temperamental beast!
That's not typical for these cars, They are normally pretty reliable. I had them when I was a kid. Being young and stupid I drove them way too hard but they stood up well.
@@chasermalloy7406 True. They're pretty sturdy. I had issues with the wet sleeve "O" rings & also the hydraulic lifters which are now unobtainable.
@@grantparsons6205 Maybe mine were much younger. It was 50 years ago !
@@chasermalloy7406 hahahaha. And mine was in Australia & had to contend with above 30 degree heat!
@@grantparsons6205 Yeah I was in Australia too. I think it was overheating and a blown head gasket that got my main one. Never got to repairing it but I'm sure a head gasket is all it needed.
Another fantastic video Steph.
Love the pre-selector gearbox.
Such a great car.
There was a two tone green one running around in Cape Town in the later sixties, it used to fill up at my dads garage in Ottery , it fascinated me as a school boy.
Another point about the preselector is that you can think much further ahead than just the few seconds shown here - for example, if you're driving along in top, it's odds-on that the next gear you're going to want will be third, so you can move the lever to 3rd at any time and just leave it there. Come time to change down, reduce speed, then just press the gear change pedal, and done.
I drove a pre selector bus when I was a student in Glasgow . AEC s and Daimlers all had them and they were great in the city .
With a pre select gearbox it's not a clutch pedal it's a gear change pedal. Anyone familiar with Ferret scout car will be at home with this. Compared with cars of this era the horn on modern cars sound a bit wimpy. and anaemic.
A lovely old lady she is too. Yes Steph the seats let it down, being a former upholster I noticed that straight away. It could easily be rectified at a later date. That driving experience must have been strange at first but I think it is spot on for the era of the car. Thanks for the video Steph take care.👍👍
London Busses had pre-selector gearboxes.
One of my schoolteachers drove one.
He was a navigator in a Lancaster bomber during WWII.
I saw an Armstrong Siddeley Saphire on sale when I was looking for my first car, and fell in love with it, but my wife was not convinced that it would be suitable for our need at that time.
One of my loveliest memories was sitting on the front armrest of an A.S. Star Sapphire in 1963 when I was about 7 years old as my grandfather drove it at 100 mph on the A12.
I love the ridiculous hunk of wood on the dash. Looks very classy
Brilliant review Steph, so much into in such a short time!
Love this its looks alot like American 1940s cars more then British with the headlight and grill layout
Lovely looking car. Interesting information on the pre selector gear system.👍
If I owned a car like this, I would feel I had to drive everywhere in a 3-piece suit and a trilby hat! It has that sense of occasion that few modern cars can manage. I see it has plenty of beehive headroom, these things are important (not so much in my case, admittedly).
I can remember my mum having an Armstrong Sidley Saffire an there was 2 saffires parked up near Broomfield hospital on old a130 about 15 years back . Lovely motors big respect girl xx
The AEC LT buses of London (and other regions) had Wilson pre-selector boxes that hissed slightly when used.
Thanks for the excellent vid!
Realy nice experience !
It looks to me that Armstrong Siddely knew how to build a quality saloon .
It looks well put together , verry well proportioned , with a tippicaly Brittish interrior , so inviting !
What allways surprises me is the attention to detail , every component no matter how smal , is designed and made very well .
Just that Art Deco ashtray alone !
I guess it was quite an expensif car back then , i reccon above the Rover P3 and 4 .
I wish the current owner much plessure with this beautiful car .
Preselector boxes used to be quite common on buses in the 1960s, particularly the more advanced designs like the Routemaster and Midland Red D9. I don't think the Lancaster is the only car with one and I have never driven a car with one but I think there were other models which had this feature.
Nice review! Well balanced and thoughtfully done.
A couple of other nice little touches; the steering wheel boss doesn't move with the wheel, so you never have to go hunting for the trafficators and dip switch, and the front shut lines of the front doors really add to the overall styling of the side of the car. The expansive (and very foot accommodating) curve immediately stood out in the sea of staight up and down shut lines of today.
Manually canceiling trafficators ;-)
Thank you for uploading this!
Another brilliant video! John's camera skills are very good too!
Used to be 3 or 4 of these in sargents scrap yard in canterbury in the 70s, a crying shame
That Sphinx bonnet emblem is a beaut! What a lovely car! Thanks for reviewing it……..
Hi Steph, thanks for another great video. That is a lovely classic, those were really high-quality cars, I remember my grandad mentioning them. My favourite is the Sapphire...I'd love you to test drive one!
Nice drive! Probably best to call it the Gearchange pedal rather than the clutch. The best Wilson box variant was the prewar Talbot with what they called the Traffic Clutch. You engaged first, moved off and then just stamped on the pedal when the box would change up a gear with the lever moving by itself. More than 7000 London Transport RT type buses were Wilson equipped as were many of British Railways' first generation diesel trains; these also had a freewheel like many Rovers.
One of THE most beautiful cars ever made full stop.. Mulliners did coachwork for the Queen's cars. The elegance and striking good looks set this apart from dreary, samey, bland cars.. A thing of pure beauty.!
When I was a boy there was one of these lived round the corner. Also, our mayoral car was an AW Whitley limousine, which was very impressive in formal black.
I have been known to drive a Daimler bus at a local museum fitted with a Pre-Selector box. Although the pedal for changing gear is in the clutch position it isn't a clutch pedal. It should really be referred to as a speed change pedal. There is no clutch on a Pre -selector box but rather a fluid flywheel.
Armstrong Siddeleys used centrifugal clutches, as did Riley.
Daimler / Lanchester used fluid flywheels .
Grand vlog that! Thank you, it really took me back..thank you
More to do with it's age I think. I drove these as kid and I'm pretty sure the indicators were self cancelling when fully operational.
I misread that as Lanchester at first but that was a different make of luxury car. If you ever get chance to test drive a Lanchester I would be interested. I was a student at what was once called Lanchester Polytechnic (now Coventry University).
I must subscribe to your channel, I remember an Armstrong Siddeley show room in Tottenham North London where I lived in the 50s 60s, they had 2 on show there they were 2 tone, siver and grey, they were the more expensive cars to buy. thanks for posting.
Another great video Steph. Armstrong Siddeleys must be quite rare in general, as I've seen very few, and haven't heard people talk about them. The body of that car reminds me of a Rolls Royce or a Jagaur.
A lot of these were exported to the "Colonies" - Australia etc. There was a slightly later version built as a Utility (pick up) for the Australian market. Sturdy, long lasting cars!
With my name I had to love this! Beautiful vid, where do you get that sunshine from? Looked very like a Riley to me. Hen's teeth come to mind.
Thank you for showing us this awesome car! It is really beautiful; I love cars from this era
Love all ur videos. Unique & unpretentious and full of fun. Really appreciate the effort 👍👌Many thanks
Nice one Steph, didn’t know much about these and can’t even remember seeing one. 16hp and top speed of 60 isn’t Santa Pod but I bet driving one is something special.
That's 16 fiscal horsepower, not 16 bhp. The Lancaster probably produces something like 60bhp, maybe even 70 or 80bhp. Cars like this aren't about top speed, but I would expect 60mph to be its cruising speed not top speed.
@@saxon-mt5by well I’ve learned something, thanks, I didn’t know that!
Love the Sphinx, body style and wood/'leather' interior. A classy ride back in the day.
Brilliant, really enjoyed that
For those that saw the Tucker movie, they used a preselector that was borrowed from the defunct pre-war Cord.
A neighbor in the sixties had one of these.And to this day it’s the only one I have seen.They were rare back then.
Shock... It's a Pre-Select Transmission that doesn't sing in 2nd gear!!
You're also the first person I've heard refer to the gear change pedal as a "clutch" in a vehicle with Pre-Select, Steph!
Great video as always too, btw!
Sorry Steph I had to laugh your haircolor and that of the wooden dash are the same, I realised that at the end. Had a good chuckle, thank you for that and showing this car I never heard of let alone ever seen.
A car manufacturer I've never heard of. A very lovely car with that coach-like interior, high roof, real wood and leather, very nice instruments and a drivability on modern roads. I love a lot these "grandma's dining room"-cars!
Thanks Stef 😀👍
What a treat!
A real piece of quality.
in the early 60s I got to ride in a Armstrong Siddeley Star Sapphire, to young to appreciate it then, think I fell asleep in it
Great video Steph. The Armstrong Siddeley was a great car and popular here in Australia. The Wilson pre-select, and other brands, were popular gearboxes and were common in race cars. Buses such as AEC used a pre-select as well. The AS had a fluid flywheel so that you could select a gear at rest and the car wouldn’t move until you accelerated. Daimler used pre-select gearboxes for the bulk of their production life feeling they were more refined than the crash boxes.
Armstrong Siddeleys of this type actually used centrifugal clutches. Daimlers of this period used fluid flywheels.
@@chasermalloy7406 yep, you are correct. Not sure why I wrote “fluid flywheel” must have been thinking of Daimler when I wrote it. Thanks for pointing it out.
@@paulscountrygarage9180 Yes, I think the preselect siddeleys always used the centrifugal clutch but note sure. Whitley Lancaster, Hurricane definitely had the clutch. Can't say whether any earlier ones may have used the fluid flywheel.
@@chasermalloy7406 I totally agree with you.
Fabulous car! You need to turn off your turn indicator though, it made me smile....
16HP as the RAC rating-actual 70HP and the top speed was a around 75MPH.
Great video. Such an interesting car. Always amazed 40s and 50s cars are still about.
I want one! (with a leather interior...). Another great road test video, thanks
Although the Armstrong Siddeley Lancaster model had a short life, I think other improved models were in production until 1960 or so. I think the last model produced was the Star Sapphire.
Thank you for the video 👍😊
The pedal you call the clutch is correctly known as GEAR CHANGE PEDAL
Your right about the missing leather feel and smell . Here in the USA it is something which we seldom exspearience , that is why older british autos have always been of interest to me . I love that steering wheel design . Did I here you say 16 or 60 horse power ?
Is that pre-select transmission made by WILSON, who also made pre-select transmissions for the AEC RT buses of old……..? (The pedal was known at LONDON TRANSPORT as an “operating-pedal” as the clutch was automatic)
Classy dame, classy car!
Armstrong Siddeley were brilliant cars you still saw them on the road regular even in the 1970s
Gorgeous car! Not perfect but a perfect classic daily driver. Finally a car I can truly relate to, my uncle in the Isle Of Man 🇮🇲 owns one but I’ve not had the chance to fly from Australia to see family & checkout his Armstrong Sideley. It’s a pity the seats aren’t at least partially trimmed with leather for that authentic classic car smell. The owner of this car is well spoken & could make a good co host for future videos 😊👍