No… you are 100% correct… the second I learned that all you have to do is grip it like a curve and throw it just like a fastball it worked immediately. Why does every video make it so complicated? And to the guy who said that’s a cutter…. Well then I have a cutter that moves 2ft and downward… wouldn’t really call that a cutter.
@@bragginrightsfishing7467 mine doesnt break down as much as yours, slightly downward, slightly gloveslide and its slightly slower than my Two Seam so I call mine a cutter🤷🏻♂️
Easiest way to throw a slider. What I was told by the guy who threw the best slider I’d seen at that time. Act like your throwing your fast ball but but at the moment you’d snap your wrist crank your wrist to the left. Obviously grip it like a curve not a 4 seam FB. Man my slider was way better after that.
Brother, I tried for YEARS, to learn that pitch. I couldn’t have tried harder, but never could get it because of conflicting instruction of grip, but mostly because the weird way you release it. I knew it would get hammered because I never mastered it, so I just dumped it and learned other weapons from the Dominicans. Randy Johnson’s slider was practically unhittable. How did you make it work when releasing the pitch at the very end of your delivery? Deadly serious question, been haunting me for almost 25 years.
So did I, spent years desperately trying my hardest to learn this pitch, from guys who threw amazing sliders, pro pitching coaches, anything. I never could get it to work, so eventually just gave up on it and made up for it with other weapons. But it still baffles my intellectual curiosity to this day why. It was by far the hardest pitch I ever tried to learn, no comparison.
Sons been throwing it since age 12. Only recently truly started using it more. It’s not that complicated fellas but like any pitch takes time to develop. I didn’t know the sweeping slider was a thing until all these highlight videos.
A slider is easier for me to control than a curveball any day. It's closer to how I release a football (regarding fingertips and wrist lock). Curveball always was consistently inconsistent with me. Sometime 3' high, sometimes spiked into the ground. Slider, as a righty, I just grip it normally and throw for the inside of the ribs of a right handed batter if I'm throwing for a strike, or throw mid/center inside if I'm going for a swinging strike that breaks out of the zone.
Although the message is mostly getting across, please be sure to clarify that the ball DOESN’T have 2 types of ‘spin’ going on at the same time. That is a physical impossibility, the type of spin it has would be a form side spin
Ik this works to, but it could be better if u dont get straight gyro movement because bullets don’t move so you also want side spin and maybe some top spin
As the phenomenally gifted instructor you are, I still probably wouldn’t have gotten it back then. Tried for years, no success, I tried everything - desperately, it was like learning reverse quantum physics. It wasn’t the grip, it was the weird, unorthodox release that screwed me up. I never even came close or even lucked into a good slider in training. By far, the most difficult, and impossible for me, pitch to learn. I still to this day can’t figure out why. Such a shame because when they work they work so well. Before I played pro I couldn’t even foul off sliders, even when I knew they were coming. I always told myself that curveballs were much safer for the arm as a coping mechanism so I didn’t destroy my confidence. I guess there are some pitches some pitchers can never learn with success (like a knuckleball). If you don’t learn one pitch it’s not the end of the world - just move on.
Is there a tool to practice the hand motion and spin? Like a rod attached to a free spinning rotor secured in the center of a ball. I have no mechanical imagination whatsoever, but some simple contraption to isolate that would be helpful.
@@DanBlewett Maybe what he was asking was is that probation what imparts the gyro spin component. I think I understand what spin axes we want, but not the wrist/hand/finger motions it takes to get it. In other words, rely pronation instead of wrist snap? Maybe that's what you answered.
What happened to ppl teaching it three finger grip an throw it like a football? Thatss by far the hardest pitch I throw and for some reason doesnt wear my arm out
@@gradyjones7017 you end up pronating at the release tip of a football throw. That's what the changeup release is. Look at the wrist right after an NFL QB releases a throw. His wrist is bent like he is pouring out a can of coke
My 10 year old sun throws everything with a weird Gyro spin and no he hasn't been taught anything but a 4 & 2 seam grip and a changeup grip,, drives his baseball coaches crazy, any thoughts on that? He's done all the common throwing drills, it's still there.
He should be developing good mechanical habits. Take the 2-seam out of his arsenal as well because at that age nobody throws at outlier speeds so 2-seams are very flat. Just throw 4-seams and teach him to make good consistent habits such as not changing your arm angle or maybe his leg kick is different every pitch
@@ig_a_rogerss23 his mechanics are actually pretty good, he likes to grip two seams because of his hand size not trying to get run on it, even though he gets run on almost everything he throws regardless of grip, he does have a bit of a weird armslot, kinda 3/4 I've tried coaching him to be more over the top to no Avail.
@johnbeavers6497 he needs better mechanics specifically focusing on getting his hands behind the ball. Lower arm slot like 3/4 is fine as long as its natural. If the ball is running that's fine but really focus on getting his hands behind the ball and making sure hes not accidentally cutting the ball or pronating when he releases
Just throw curveball grip like a fastball. Instant slider.
thats pretty much a cutter, not a slider
@@samgonzalez8030thats my exact cutter grip lol. Hold it on the middle finger as long as u can for cut!
No… you are 100% correct… the second I learned that all you have to do is grip it like a curve and throw it just like a fastball it worked immediately. Why does every video make it so complicated?
And to the guy who said that’s a cutter…. Well then I have a cutter that moves 2ft and downward… wouldn’t really call that a cutter.
@@bragginrightsfishing7467 mine doesnt break down as much as yours, slightly downward, slightly gloveslide and its slightly slower than my Two Seam so I call mine a cutter🤷🏻♂️
@@bragginrightsfishing7467because they weren’t allowed to throw it. It’s not complicated at all. My sons is absolutely filthy.
Easiest way to throw a slider. What I was told by the guy who threw the best slider I’d seen at that time. Act like your throwing your fast ball but but at the moment you’d snap your wrist crank your wrist to the left. Obviously grip it like a curve not a 4 seam FB. Man my slider was way better after that.
Brother, I tried for YEARS, to learn that pitch. I couldn’t have tried harder, but never could get it because of conflicting instruction of grip, but mostly because the weird way you release it. I knew it would get hammered because I never mastered it, so I just dumped it and learned other weapons from the Dominicans. Randy Johnson’s slider was practically unhittable. How did you make it work when releasing the pitch at the very end of your delivery? Deadly serious question, been haunting me for almost 25 years.
i needed this badly
So did I, spent years desperately trying my hardest to learn this pitch, from guys who threw amazing sliders, pro pitching coaches, anything. I never could get it to work, so eventually just gave up on it and made up for it with other weapons. But it still baffles my intellectual curiosity to this day why. It was by far the hardest pitch I ever tried to learn, no comparison.
Sons been throwing it since age 12. Only recently truly started using it more. It’s not that complicated fellas but like any pitch takes time to develop. I didn’t know the sweeping slider was a thing until all these highlight videos.
A slider is easier for me to control than a curveball any day. It's closer to how I release a football (regarding fingertips and wrist lock). Curveball always was consistently inconsistent with me. Sometime 3' high, sometimes spiked into the ground. Slider, as a righty, I just grip it normally and throw for the inside of the ribs of a right handed batter if I'm throwing for a strike, or throw mid/center inside if I'm going for a swinging strike that breaks out of the zone.
Your a better man that I. I had the exact opposite problem.
Thats pretty sweet 😅 hard to learn but it's very manageable
Great tip.
Thx
Although the message is mostly getting across, please be sure to clarify that the ball DOESN’T have 2 types of ‘spin’ going on at the same time. That is a physical impossibility, the type of spin it has would be a form side spin
This helped alot
Do you actively think to pronate or is does the ball simply release off the two fingers to give it the spin?
Thank you so much.
No worries!
I just throw it with < spin I can do like this doorknob spin but it curves more with the way I do it
Ik this works to, but it could be better if u dont get straight gyro movement because bullets don’t move so you also want side spin and maybe some top spin
Thanks needed this
I found that when throwing the slides if I feel like I am snapping my finger it gets a lot more movement then trying to throw it any other way
How old should I be to throw this pitch. And should I keep throwing Trevor Bauer’s slider or start to throw the slider in this video
tinker. And age 14
I was taught a slider by just throwing a two seam like a football, sidespin and very nasty
As the phenomenally gifted instructor you are, I still probably wouldn’t have gotten it back then. Tried for years, no success, I tried everything - desperately, it was like learning reverse quantum physics.
It wasn’t the grip, it was the weird, unorthodox release that screwed me up. I never even came close or even lucked into a good slider in training. By far, the most difficult, and impossible for me, pitch to learn. I still to this day can’t figure out why. Such a shame because when they work they work so well. Before I played pro I couldn’t even foul off sliders, even when I knew they were coming. I always told myself that curveballs were much safer for the arm as a coping mechanism so I didn’t destroy my confidence. I guess there are some pitches some pitchers can never learn with success (like a knuckleball). If you don’t learn one pitch it’s not the end of the world - just move on.
Is there a tool to practice the hand motion and spin? Like a rod attached to a free spinning rotor secured in the center of a ball. I have no mechanical imagination whatsoever, but some simple contraption to isolate that would be helpful.
Yeah I’m not aware of any unfortunately
Cool
I need practice when I throw my curve it has nasty down movement so it looks like a nasty change up
a curve ball is supposed to have nasty down movement and change up isnt required for down movement
Can a wilson ball can do a slider?
ball doesnt matter
@@DanBlewett thank you
I have been trying to throw a slider but I can never get the bullet spin right and then it just stays straight
was taught to throw it like turning a doorknob. maybe that'll help.
So u need to pronate through the baseball, right?
that happens on its own
@@DanBlewett Maybe what he was asking was is that probation what imparts the gyro spin component. I think I understand what spin axes we want, but not the wrist/hand/finger motions it takes to get it.
In other words, rely pronation instead of wrist snap?
Maybe that's what you answered.
I'll just throw a cutter and call it a slider!
Where can I learn what all these pitches do, like how the ball moves after released
@@nofurtherwest3474 UA-cam the pitch you want to see. There are tons of videos on pitches online.
What happened to ppl teaching it three finger grip an throw it like a football? Thatss by far the hardest pitch I throw and for some reason doesnt wear my arm out
Uh what
Now I cam finally cosplay as gyro accurately
Pretend the baseball is a football.
If you throw a football with a front tipping down spiral you're actually throwing a changeup release
@@gradyjones7017 you end up pronating at the release tip of a football throw. That's what the changeup release is. Look at the wrist right after an NFL QB releases a throw. His wrist is bent like he is pouring out a can of coke
I was taught to throw it like a football,
Me who has accidentally been throwing this for the past 3 years
Wdym hard i learned this in an hour
your slider is probably not good at all if you learned it in an hour. If it was that easy, everyone would be a major leaguer.
The slider was created by the devil, pure evil.
💯
I throw my slider completely different and it works everytime
My 10 year old sun throws everything with a weird Gyro spin and no he hasn't been taught anything but a 4 & 2 seam grip and a changeup grip,, drives his baseball coaches crazy, any thoughts on that? He's done all the common throwing drills, it's still there.
He should be developing good mechanical habits. Take the 2-seam out of his arsenal as well because at that age nobody throws at outlier speeds so 2-seams are very flat. Just throw 4-seams and teach him to make good consistent habits such as not changing your arm angle or maybe his leg kick is different every pitch
@@ig_a_rogerss23 his mechanics are actually pretty good, he likes to grip two seams because of his hand size not trying to get run on it, even though he gets run on almost everything he throws regardless of grip, he does have a bit of a weird armslot, kinda 3/4 I've tried coaching him to be more over the top to no Avail.
Make him focus on putting the thumb to the floor.
@johnbeavers6497 he needs better mechanics specifically focusing on getting his hands behind the ball. Lower arm slot like 3/4 is fine as long as its natural. If the ball is running that's fine but really focus on getting his hands behind the ball and making sure hes not accidentally cutting the ball or pronating when he releases