Okay so Frosty was not using 2 extra devices Explanation from M-AGE: "Just to explain the "third" device. Its called midi and it can change stuff on your second device or rc505. You send signals from the midi to change some parameters you chose to change" I hope this clarifies things and that the people online who are shitting on Frosty for no reason stop their bs xD
Okay, So Rules dictate that you can use the 505 and "one" extra device that can add effects triggered by the human voice, there must be an input sound that is made by human voice. The "third" device Frosty is using is actually a MIDI controller which doesn't actually produce any sound or effects on it's own it just acts as a quick access to all the effects on Line 6 Helix, the actual second device. So the midi controller is allowed however, if the midi controller is able to manipulate pitches (which Frosty's clearly doesn't) it's not allowed because manipulation of pithes is an effect on it's own. Also there is a certain limitation on effects you can use in extra device like Note generator for example. Hope everyone find this useful. For my opinion, If you are a looper you know the level of competition and it's upto you if you want to compete with the already set rules of the competition. If the competitors like PSN, Robin etc. Don't mind going up against two device users with just one then it's fair play because it's music at the end of the day. It's like saying that it's unfair that Dlow has so many sounds and the opponent doesn't.
While Robin might just not mind, I'm not sure about Psn tho, I think he does mind, he has stated in the comments on some video that he cannot economically allow himself to get another device (Brazil and all) and is therefore at an unwanted disadvantage. Other people might not just lack the funds, but even more importantly the *time* to learn the ins and outs of a new device, Brez explained in one of his videos that he wouldnt be sure if he could compete with the current generation because it's full of youngsters that have loads of time on their hands, while he's just busy with his day to day work. There's just too many variables in play for it to be a fair and square competition, and thus it should be divided in two different categories: one for extra devices, one for the default 505. And "It's like saying that it's unfair that Dlow has so many sounds and the opponent doesn't" is about the dumbest analogy you couldve made. With practice, everybody can achieve those sounds, they are not physically hindered by the "hardware", it's simply because they haven't practiced as much or just aren't as good. So here's a corrected version of your analogy with a sprinkle of imagination: It would be unfair that Dlow has so many sounds, if he had a tongue/lips/vocal chords (choose whichever) and his opponents didn't.
lmao, robin's tracks take you to the paradise of relaxation, while frosty's rounds were pure nightmare fuel 💀, basically incomparable, and judging it would really land on self preference... gg
I think frosty didn't use the final 30 seconds in his first round because he prepared his round before as a 3 minutes routine and didn't know that the sbx kbb21 rounds for the loopstation are 3:30 minutes long.
@@999Aadil-Op nobody said that bruh. he just said he already silent recorded, meaning he has used some of those 30 sec. furthermore those 30 sec are just extra because its a new loopstation
25:20 the only op second device user in Gbb2019 was Inkie and he lost becuase the judges didnt know about second devices very well and they thought he was cheating which he wasnts and if you want you can take a look at that battle NME vs Inkie and maybe you'll see that Inkie clearly won that battle NME's rounds had flaws and werent executed as they should've been. Even if they were i personally think that he had no chance against Inkie with those perfect and flawless rounds. Inkie didnt lose because he wasnt good as NME,he lost cuz the judges assumed he was cheating !!! You can watch Chezame and Sxin's video on it. Even with that being said,some people still NME really won which is respected by me but not understandable because even Inkie was more technical if you know really good how the loop actually works. So yeah...
1. Yeah I just found out abt this news 2. My point still stands tho. The point i was tryin to make was that extra devices arent op. Rythmind won gbb without an extra device 3. I still think NME won tho, just a personal preference and ik im not the only one. Thanks for sharing tho! 🔥🔥🔥
@@stitch_mus1c yes of course. There are sooo many loopers who use only the rc505 and are better than so many second device users but, keep that in mind that in 2019 using the second device was not as popular as its right now. Even Rythmind is using a second device now! Yeah its totally ok. People have different opinions and its completely fine but the thing is that Inkie won by majority in the way i see it. Perfect rounds vs rounds that have flaws and mistakes...and also the performance...idk. np dude✌️
@@SoheilHab Yeah the second round of NME(Begin by letting go) has the high hat and kick placements off, really bothered me. Also he repeated that round too, forget about what NME did because INKIE just killed it. I disagree with what Stitch said about whom he would listen to again being the deciding factor, that would lead to conflicts as it all depends on personal taste.
The passive aggressiveness of this comment lol. People often overlook NME. His first round against inkie was incREDIBLE from a music stand point. It's in 5/4.
I really also need to say that robins singing is soo expressive it gives me goosebumps. Music style wise I just love dark vibes much more so I’d lean towards frosty but robin man.. almost brought me to tears
The funny thing about this, is that people disagreeing to the judges choices. But at the same time, these people are agreeing that the judges are one of the best loopers and they deserve being judges. So I dont understand why they hating on the decisions of judges that they agree on
That second round from Robin is by far the most beautiful loopstation track I've ever heard. I love how the quarterfinals had the strongest routines out of this entire event
This is definetly my favorite beatbox reaction channel. I love your facial expressions for real xD and I'm completely agree with everything you said about second devices. There's only one thing... NME won against Inkie because the jugdes thought that Inkie cheated (I got this information from Brez and Chezame's channels). So I don't know if that's the best example. Besides that thank you making such a good video! Greetings from Panama :3
i dont think loopers should have any limits on secondary devices, like at all. As long as the sound originates from the beatboxer i think it is fair game, and yes it would bring the whole looping scene into more of a live production scene just wihout the presets and im fine with that. I personaly se no reason as to why we should halt the natural progression of the looping scene by reducing the amount of creativity and complex mixing that is allowed. as people get better they realise the limitations of the hardware they are using and thus stretch for something that helps them express themselvs better like the helix 6. The 505 is a amazing piece of hardware for any live musician, but it does have its limits and for those limits to really afect the artist they must be really good at what they are doing in the first place. i personaly dnt think that the helix is a crutch since you have to be a TOP level looper to have any real use for it in your music. with the points i have stated i personaly se no reason as to why we should ruin artist's music and way of expressing themselves by restricting their creativity.
I have not watched PSn a lot but i checked out his "Juliet" routine and to me it seems like in that routine he is simply using a lot of delay, beatscatter and pitchbends. If you have a intimate enough knowledge about the effects on the 505 or just effects in general you can pretty much reverse engineer anything made on the 505 with moderat ease
i'm absolutely with you, stitch. i couldnt decide who was better but i found myself watching robins last round over and over again and i was sure, in my heart he is my winner.
I think Robin did something wich was never done before. He created real music, real stories, real emotions, a real journey. His second round is probably my favorite round of all times.
I felt the same about Robin’s. Musically, it was one of my favorite looping compositions to date. I loved Frosty’s as well , but musical taste wise, I lean towards Robin.
They both require skill and 1 device users can definitely compete with 2 device users if they know music. Personally though I like seeing and understanding how they make the sounds and beatbox/vocal techniques and so loopers like MB14 and Tom Thum who can do a lot of sounds with little effects have a different kind of magic for me. I dunno if there needs to be a rule change cause I think they could win against 2 device loopers just off their music. But I wouldn't mind seeing a "limited effects" category to encourage more loopers to go in this direction. Some people say loopers shouldn't be limited, but I think following this logic they would also allow keyboards and other instruments. I mean this seriously, if its more about music production than beatbox, then don't require them to only use beatbox for sounds. So I think people need to think about what kind of competition they want loopstation to be, live music production or beatbox, whether they change the rules, make separate competitions or just in terms of what loopers focus on in their music. Atm it feels like different kinds of musicians competing, which I guess works in a way.
imo we should introduce 2 different categories for looping. Single device and multiple device looping. Brez had a good idea for the upcoming GBBs: You could have those 2 categories and the 2 winners from both categories could battle against each other at the end which would be a pretty cool idea for me personally.
@@kyrex1785 I think the idea is a little redundant actually. If the entire point of the categories is because second devices are so OP, why make them battle at the end? If second device is so OP, wouldn't they just win the final? You could argue that 505 loopers are essentially proving themselves by making it to the final, yes, but really any good single device looper could do it normally. Extra effects mean nothing if you don't use them effectively. I do agree maybe second device users have a slight advantage, but the gap is not nearly as significant as people like to think, and I think we've created a culture where people who lose to second device users are more inclined to believe the second device is the reason. TL;DR: 505 loopers have beat second device users in the past, the advantage isn't enough to consistently be a real problem. The MKII is also closing the gap, so we are making progress.
@@crab323 The last major offline event was GBB 2019, and the second device game has reaallly gone up since then. It isn't just having an advantage, it's also the whole debate about pure beatbox/machine produced music. Look at Frosty, Oxygenic, Kristof, Inkie and soo many others - the level of sound design and mix and even the build up speed is honestly impossible on just the 505. Even then, there was so much controversy around Inkie losing vs NME because the judges felt that some sounds weren't produced from the mouth which is why he may have lost. Tbh as long as there is just one category, there will ALWAYS be some kind of disparity between the two, just that it may favor either side. Again, you could argue that PSN came first in the wildcards without extra devices, but the very reason his wildcard was impressive was because he is only on one device. If he did all this with like a Line 6 Helix, people wouldn't have been as impressed honestly What I'm saying is, a single category is like trying to judge a race between a normal person and a cripple - it just isn't fair for either of them. Instead of the judges trying to account for the differences in the judging, it's easier to just separate them both. (also I'm just discussing my view, not any kind of angry rant)
@@kyrex1785 Honestly, I would love it if the winner of both categories have a fantasy battle! That would just be perfection, and there's also no win/lose controversy
frosty's second round will never not be nasty. for me it goes into the same categpry as penkyx second round vs thorsen gbb17 and dice gbb21 wildcard. ill be playing them on repeat so many times that even the mainstream radio will think im overplaying it.
frosty was not technically using 3 devices, he is using the rc505mk2 (obviously) then to the right of the screen is the line6 helix, and to the left is a launch pad (midi controller). the launch pad does not actually add any extra sounds, what it does is gives you short cuts to things that are already possible on the line6 and 505. for example, say you want to use a bass effect on the line6, then quickly switch to filter on the input fx and flanger on track fx, instead of having to turn it off on the helix, then turn the input fx and track fx on manually, you can assign certain functions to a certain button on the launch pad, that will send a midi signal to tell the line6 and 505 to change what theyre doing.
The golden device on his left is his 2nd device. The square device on his right is a MIDI controller that is used as shortcuts to different settings on the RC505 MKII or on the 2nd device.
Stitch's Reaction on Frosty's 2nd round: 😦😯😮😲😱🤯🔥🤯😱😲😯 Btw my opinion about the loopstation is for it to stay on its format. It only depends on how you present your music. Like how every Olympian prepares for Olympics in their own way, like how rythmind won loopstation with one device, like how codfish won solo with clean routines. I think that creating any fire round is pretty hard in any way. Appreciate the music not how "easy it looks", even if the artist made a way to make it easy. Still that process of making it easy is not easy and music is an art, it's not "easy" to create a masterpiece 💖 Just my opinion tho ✌️ much love everyone 💖 Edit: (I haven't heard Stitch's opinion when I commented this) ✌️ We're on the same side stitch. 💖 And for those who thinks Im just siding to Stitch. I made a comment on the judges live result for kickback wildcards saying the same thing. (:
The easy way to solve the problem with extra devices is make sub categories and have 3 different categories. 1 for just loopstation. 1 for extra devices. 1 for anything goes.
13:10 I feel like you copied me.. expect I looked like that the entire round 😂😂 I’m still so blown away by frosty‘s second round like I can’t even describe it.. as far as I’m concerned sent both through to the next round lol nice reaction man
On the Inkie vs NME battle Inkie lost cause the judges thought that he was cheating using his second device. Even though he didn't his mastery of the second device was so good the judges thought he did. But by all rights Inkie wom that battle. But every looper has the choice of using a device so its up to them, and even without a device people can still kill it.
actually all of frosty rounds have more views than robins... so i guess the argument "will be heard more often" cant quite count. Its up to the judges taste in my opinion
@@bnoodles8971 frostys First round has right now 7k more views than robins first and frostys second has 19k more than robins second. Just look at swissbeatbox channel
@@frankymojo6248 woops I made a mistake 2 times, just cause frosty has more views doesn't mean Robin's sound are more heard, because more people use sounds like Robin
But what do you do when one restaurant has the best pizza and the other the best burger D: But I love this battle especially there in the second round ... I got goosebumps there too but now Im waiting for next kickback rounds :)
Then you go with your preference. For example in this battle, frosty offered one of the best hard drops and powerful style, and robin offered one of the best musical and calming styles. Whichever style you prefer then you can go with it. Same thing applies to your example, if you prefer pizza in general, then get pizza, if you're more of a burger fan, then get burger. They taste equally good cuz they are both the best of their kind, but it depends on the personal preference
I think loopstation battles got to a point where everyone is so good at their own thing that they will have to decide what they want to aim for as a competition, if more battle-ish hard things for competing like kind of a sport or if they want to take it closer to real music like more artistic (which is completely impossible to judge at this level imo). If not we will have this kind of "battles" where there is almost no battle moves, no counters and everything is based on what does each one like the most
I think it would take away from his charm as a vocalist/beatboxer, honestly. There's a humanness to all of his tracks and for me that's due to the pure vocal power in all of his tracks. So he doesn't have much use with more devices, unless he's going for a more special-effect based looping style.
@@ajesco This, people seem to think that the second device is a magic do all. Where as in reality it mainly helps to layer effects and create more complicated textures or allow for more difficult sounds (see inkie/frosty) or effects to be produced faster (such as sxin). The second device absolutely provides an edge and really allows for hyper complex almost industry standard tracks to be produced, but there is a reason you dont see many vocalist or traditional elitist beatboxers using them. It would allow for some seriously complex tracks with musicality but I dont think they would be as good because they would likely sacrifice vocals in some parts as a result. I own a similar device functionally to a line6 and far too many people misunderstand what they can do and just hop on the hate because famous loopers dont like them. There are reasons not to like them but people really think its a magic do all are wrong.
I believe there should be 2 categories. 1 for single device, another for 2+ devices. The competition becomes harder to judge when there are more variables being introduces. Personal opinion on multiple devices shouldn't be a factor on judging.
I've heard someone talk about 2nd device once and I agree to him. Second device is a personal preference, frosty is used to using a 2nd device, doesn't mean he's better and he has an advantage, if robin had the thought that 2nd devices are a disadvantage for him then he would have used a 2nd device, but he hasn't, cuz its his preference, and you can already see that they both preformed equally good even tho one of them is using an extra device And tbh, using only the loop and making the best out of it is better, cuz when you're using an extra device there is a high chance that its because you arent that good with effects on the normal loop, so you used a 2nd device to help you create your own style and while using something you're used to, in another way, lets say there is an effect on the loop that robin used, but frosty didn't cuz it doesnt match his style, but frosty needed an effect to use that matches his style so he used the 2nd device. I dont know if you get what I mean but that's my opinion and honestly it really makes sense
Just like Brez suggested a long time ago: the loopstation contest should be devided into 2 categories: single device and limitless. The scene and the fanbase is getting devided, anyway, so why letting them compete in the same category? That will only increase the hate second device users will gain from single device fans, the more superior second device loopers will become
NME actually only won against Inkie because the judges didn't know how to rate loop with a second device, so they couldn't rate it and gave NME a free win. Got the info from Brez' video in which he reacted to the battle. In his opinion Inkie was far ahead and he stated as he asked the judges why they chose NME and not Inkie, that they revealed that they only did it because they didn't know the second device he was using.
Transformers OST adaptation be like : robin 4th round feels like when optimus prime died on war, and frosty 3rd round like when optimus came back alive and killin" all the decepticon what a battle!! xD
The smaller device to the left is called a Midi controller Launchpad of some sort , it’s not considered a second device as it doesn’t give you any other effects then what’s on your loop It basically makes shortcuts so you don’t have to manually switch your settigns on the loop You just press 1 of the buttons and it changes to the forefeet for you However the other device is considered a 2nd device, it is allowed but honestly I think for a battle that was ment to showcase the new loop using a second device feels unnecessary
I think for loopstation there should be 2 different categories. 1 that only allows the rc505, and 1 that let's u use up to like 3 devices or unlimited.
IMO, having 2 or more devices, means more complex tracks, which leads to a closer looking kind of music rather than beatbox in the scene. So it will eventually become something like comparing classical music to fucking dubstep, makes no sense, but using only 1 device, or 2 at the most, limits that outcome and avoids that problem. I wouldn't compare Despacito to Bangarang, would ya?
Ya, for example classical music and dubstep are both so sick and not easy to make, but it depends on personal preference. Someone may prefer classical music more, the other may prefer dubstep more
Every time I listen to each round I change my mind. I can't decide who I'd vote for, but I'm closer to Robin, tbh. Especially with using your strategy of avoiding extra round
i agree with your answer that extra devices should be allowed but don't necessarily agree with your reasoning. In NME vs Inkie I think Inkie won, but the judges were uncomfortable giving him the win because of how new the device was to the scene and they were unfamiliar with the parameters of it. I wouldn't say NME won because his technique and looping capabilities were better but I could be wrong. It just seems a bit strange seeing that battle and having it go 5-0 to NME.
17:29. Now I’m not an expert on shitting pants or anything but I wasn’t aware you could shit your pants any other way then physically. Mentally? Psychologically? Hmm. Maybe I’m in the wrong here
In my mind, I think inkie would vote for frosty, rythmind would vote for frosty if frosty's counter melody in the second round impressed him and the sound design as well, whilst saro would vote for robin's musicality for the vocals. (This is my prediction, I usually get it right but I hope robin would win this cuz I wanna hear him more XD )
I think robin should win his style is just so unique and he should get props for video too ( edit ) stitch thinks the same this means im a proooooo judge pepouni should hire 😎
I'm not a "know it all" but it looks to me like he is controlling the Line 6 device with that tablet or whatever it is. The reason I think this is because he doesn't touch the Line 6 once.
In my opinion both are amazing in their own categories. To the debate of extra devices or not I feel like there should be 2 categories one with extra devices and one without and not necessairly because it sounds better but it starts to be something different it feels like judging a tag team vs a single beatboxer the 2 together have more potential yes but definaly don't always sound better because there is so much they can mess up but because of this the judging criteria is not the same for both of them...So to me they should not be in the same categorie but that might just be me
What frosty said.. isn't a roast. to me.. he didn't understand what Robin was saying imo lol.. the small boat, is the loopstation. Robin's diss was way more intense than anyone realizes.. Robin telling frosty that your extra devices are necessary.
Those who give all this follish comments , put a umbrella in ur back nd let it be open..., Just enjoy his reaction...don't waste ur time on making comments.
The haters are always gonna hate.were lucky in the uk we have frosty,dlow,reeps one,hobbitt,bass Ventura,balance but if your a fan of guys from your home country everyone hates.reeps is the og and dlow current world number one but people think the pros who judge and score them are wrong.
Okay so Frosty was not using 2 extra devices
Explanation from M-AGE:
"Just to explain the "third" device. Its called midi and it can change stuff on your second device or rc505. You send signals from the midi to change some parameters you chose to change"
I hope this clarifies things and that the people online who are shitting on Frosty for no reason stop their bs xD
Well put
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Okaaaaayyyy i was way too confused! Thanks
Are you a looper??
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Still can't get over from Frosty's second round! 🔥
It’s Not getting enough attention!!
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Okay, So Rules dictate that you can use the 505 and "one" extra device that can add effects triggered by the human voice, there must be an input sound that is made by human voice. The "third" device Frosty is using is actually a MIDI controller which doesn't actually produce any sound or effects on it's own it just acts as a quick access to all the effects on Line 6 Helix, the actual second device. So the midi controller is allowed however, if the midi controller is able to manipulate pitches (which Frosty's clearly doesn't) it's not allowed because manipulation of pithes is an effect on it's own. Also there is a certain limitation on effects you can use in extra device like Note generator for example. Hope everyone find this useful. For my opinion, If you are a looper you know the level of competition and it's upto you if you want to compete with the already set rules of the competition. If the competitors like PSN, Robin etc. Don't mind going up against two device users with just one then it's fair play because it's music at the end of the day. It's like saying that it's unfair that Dlow has so many sounds and the opponent doesn't.
While Robin might just not mind, I'm not sure about Psn tho, I think he does mind, he has stated in the comments on some video that he cannot economically allow himself to get another device (Brazil and all) and is therefore at an unwanted disadvantage. Other people might not just lack the funds, but even more importantly the *time* to learn the ins and outs of a new device, Brez explained in one of his videos that he wouldnt be sure if he could compete with the current generation because it's full of youngsters that have loads of time on their hands, while he's just busy with his day to day work. There's just too many variables in play for it to be a fair and square competition, and thus it should be divided in two different categories: one for extra devices, one for the default 505.
And "It's like saying that it's unfair that Dlow has so many sounds and the opponent doesn't" is about the dumbest analogy you couldve made. With practice, everybody can achieve those sounds, they are not physically hindered by the "hardware", it's simply because they haven't practiced as much or just aren't as good. So here's a corrected version of your analogy with a sprinkle of imagination: It would be unfair that Dlow has so many sounds, if he had a tongue/lips/vocal chords (choose whichever) and his opponents didn't.
lmao, robin's tracks take you to the paradise of relaxation, while frosty's rounds were pure nightmare fuel 💀, basically incomparable, and judging it would really land on self preference... gg
Exactly
Yeah lol
Even in games
Dark And Light elementals are both efficient in destroying eachother
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I think frosty didn't use the final 30 seconds in his first round because he prepared his round before as a 3 minutes routine and didn't know that the sbx kbb21 rounds for the loopstation are 3:30 minutes long.
No it was 3 min because it's an old round from him, he did it already on the mk1
I think it was his gbb20 wildcard
And btw it wasn't 30sec left, the timer did start far too late, he already silent recorded
@@leanderseiler your are telling me he silent recorded 30 seconds and no one noticed except you??
@@999Aadil-Op nobody said that bruh. he just said he already silent recorded, meaning he has used some of those 30 sec. furthermore those 30 sec are just extra because its a new loopstation
17:59 I thnik we can all agree that this is the best WTF we've ever heard ..
13:09 ahahahah look at this face :D that was me 1st time listening your wildcard :D
25:20 the only op second device user in Gbb2019 was Inkie and he lost becuase the judges didnt know about second devices very well and they thought he was cheating which he wasnts and if you want you can take a look at that battle NME vs Inkie and maybe you'll see that Inkie clearly won that battle NME's rounds had flaws and werent executed as they should've been. Even if they were i personally think that he had no chance against Inkie with those perfect and flawless rounds. Inkie didnt lose because he wasnt good as NME,he lost cuz the judges assumed he was cheating !!! You can watch Chezame and Sxin's video on it. Even with that being said,some people still NME really won which is respected by me but not understandable because even Inkie was more technical if you know really good how the loop actually works. So yeah...
1. Yeah I just found out abt this news
2. My point still stands tho. The point i was tryin to make was that extra devices arent op. Rythmind won gbb without an extra device
3. I still think NME won tho, just a personal preference and ik im not the only one. Thanks for sharing tho! 🔥🔥🔥
@@stitch_mus1c yes of course. There are sooo many loopers who use only the rc505 and are better than so many second device users but, keep that in mind that in 2019 using the second device was not as popular as its right now. Even Rythmind is using a second device now!
Yeah its totally ok. People have different opinions and its completely fine but the thing is that Inkie won by majority in the way i see it. Perfect rounds vs rounds that have flaws and mistakes...and also the performance...idk. np dude✌️
@@SoheilHab Yeah the second round of NME(Begin by letting go) has the high hat and kick placements off, really bothered me. Also he repeated that round too, forget about what NME did because INKIE just killed it. I disagree with what Stitch said about whom he would listen to again being the deciding factor, that would lead to conflicts as it all depends on personal taste.
@@Garro0 yeah Inkie clearly won...
He said when the battle is toooo close to call who won,not any battle and that makes sense to me
The passive aggressiveness of this comment lol. People often overlook NME. His first round against inkie was incREDIBLE from a music stand point. It's in 5/4.
Stitch after Frosty's second round: "I need a break"
to find my way
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@@Kyojin39 to find my way ay ay
@@Kyojin39 to find my waaanenaa
I really also need to say that robins singing is soo expressive it gives me goosebumps. Music style wise I just love dark vibes much more so I’d lean towards frosty but robin man.. almost brought me to tears
Doesn't matter who wins there will anyways be thousands of people spamming "robbed" or "rigged".
I agree, it’s like just get over the fact it’s already happened, not gonna change
@@VYNYL_Music exactly
They dont know how enjoy life 😅
The funny thing about this, is that people disagreeing to the judges choices. But at the same time, these people are agreeing that the judges are one of the best loopers and they deserve being judges. So I dont understand why they hating on the decisions of judges that they agree on
Ik…I’m already prepared to see those comments. 😕
Still haven't recovered from Frosty 2nd Round
That second round from Robin is by far the most beautiful loopstation track I've ever heard. I love how the quarterfinals had the strongest routines out of this entire event
This is definetly my favorite beatbox reaction channel. I love your facial expressions for real xD and I'm completely agree with everything you said about second devices. There's only one thing... NME won against Inkie because the jugdes thought that Inkie cheated (I got this information from Brez and Chezame's channels). So I don't know if that's the best example.
Besides that thank you making such a good video!
Greetings from Panama :3
frosty's second round felt like you were facing Sephiroth and you witness the supernova for the first time on ff
tbh I don't think they should ban it, possibly dividing into 2 categories or givins some subtle limitations would be way better
i dont think loopers should have any limits on secondary devices, like at all.
As long as the sound originates from the beatboxer i think it is fair game, and yes it would bring the whole looping scene into more of a live production scene just wihout the presets and im fine with that.
I personaly se no reason as to why we should halt the natural progression of the looping scene by reducing the amount of creativity and complex mixing that is allowed.
as people get better they realise the limitations of the hardware they are using and thus stretch for something that helps them express themselvs better like the helix 6.
The 505 is a amazing piece of hardware for any live musician, but it does have its limits and for those limits to really afect the artist they must be really good at what they are doing in the first place.
i personaly dnt think that the helix is a crutch since you have to be a TOP level looper to have any real use for it in your music.
with the points i have stated i personaly se no reason as to why we should ruin artist's music and way of expressing themselves by restricting their creativity.
you say rc505 have limits still no looper know how PSn do half of his sounds
I have not watched PSn a lot but i checked out his "Juliet" routine and to me it seems like in that routine he is simply using a lot of delay, beatscatter and pitchbends.
If you have a intimate enough knowledge about the effects on the 505 or just effects in general you can pretty much reverse engineer anything made on the 505 with moderat ease
@@Bigtoedilemma finally, viewer that know about loopstation 👍
Main men Stich, speaking straight facts,keep up the positivity bro
Upload schedule is pretty genius very big brain, appreciate the work man 👍🏼❤️🔥
14:53 exact same reaction with the break 😂😂
To be more precise I had the exact same reaction the whole reaction haha, same with Robin's 2nd round
i'm absolutely with you, stitch. i couldnt decide who was better but i found myself watching robins last round over and over again and i was sure, in my heart he is my winner.
I think Robin did something wich was never done before. He created real music, real stories, real emotions, a real journey. His second round is probably my favorite round of all times.
I mean outside of like.. Gene and Tom's loop collab, frosties round might be the best I've heard. Atleast top 5 for me personally
I felt the same about Robin’s. Musically, it was one of my favorite looping compositions to date. I loved Frosty’s as well , but musical taste wise, I lean towards Robin.
They both require skill and 1 device users can definitely compete with 2 device users if they know music. Personally though I like seeing and understanding how they make the sounds and beatbox/vocal techniques and so loopers like MB14 and Tom Thum who can do a lot of sounds with little effects have a different kind of magic for me. I dunno if there needs to be a rule change cause I think they could win against 2 device loopers just off their music. But I wouldn't mind seeing a "limited effects" category to encourage more loopers to go in this direction.
Some people say loopers shouldn't be limited, but I think following this logic they would also allow keyboards and other instruments. I mean this seriously, if its more about music production than beatbox, then don't require them to only use beatbox for sounds. So I think people need to think about what kind of competition they want loopstation to be, live music production or beatbox, whether they change the rules, make separate competitions or just in terms of what loopers focus on in their music. Atm it feels like different kinds of musicians competing, which I guess works in a way.
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imo we should introduce 2 different categories for looping. Single device and multiple device looping. Brez had a good idea for the upcoming GBBs: You could have those 2 categories and the 2 winners from both categories could battle against each other at the end which would be a pretty cool idea for me personally.
@@kyrex1785 I think the idea is a little redundant actually. If the entire point of the categories is because second devices are so OP, why make them battle at the end? If second device is so OP, wouldn't they just win the final?
You could argue that 505 loopers are essentially proving themselves by making it to the final, yes, but really any good single device looper could do it normally. Extra effects mean nothing if you don't use them effectively. I do agree maybe second device users have a slight advantage, but the gap is not nearly as significant as people like to think, and I think we've created a culture where people who lose to second device users are more inclined to believe the second device is the reason.
TL;DR: 505 loopers have beat second device users in the past, the advantage isn't enough to consistently be a real problem. The MKII is also closing the gap, so we are making progress.
@@crab323 The last major offline event was GBB 2019, and the second device game has reaallly gone up since then. It isn't just having an advantage, it's also the whole debate about pure beatbox/machine produced music.
Look at Frosty, Oxygenic, Kristof, Inkie and soo many others - the level of sound design and mix and even the build up speed is honestly impossible on just the 505.
Even then, there was so much controversy around Inkie losing vs NME because the judges felt that some sounds weren't produced from the mouth which is why he may have lost. Tbh as long as there is just one category, there will ALWAYS be some kind of disparity between the two, just that it may favor either side.
Again, you could argue that PSN came first in the wildcards without extra devices, but the very reason his wildcard was impressive was because he is only on one device. If he did all this with like a Line 6 Helix, people wouldn't have been as impressed honestly
What I'm saying is, a single category is like trying to judge a race between a normal person and a cripple - it just isn't fair for either of them. Instead of the judges trying to account for the differences in the judging, it's easier to just separate them both.
(also I'm just discussing my view, not any kind of angry rant)
@@kyrex1785 Honestly, I would love it if the winner of both categories have a fantasy battle! That would just be perfection, and there's also no win/lose controversy
3:26 The Ipad on the left is functioning as a midi-controller. Not actually a third device.
I wouldnt be surprised if these two second rounds were the best of the tourney
I'm a bit scared that nobody could do a better round
frosty's second round will never not be nasty. for me it goes into the same categpry as penkyx second round vs thorsen gbb17 and dice gbb21 wildcard. ill be playing them on repeat so many times that even the mainstream radio will think im overplaying it.
frosty was not technically using 3 devices, he is using the rc505mk2 (obviously) then to the right of the screen is the line6 helix, and to the left is a launch pad (midi controller). the launch pad does not actually add any extra sounds, what it does is gives you short cuts to things that are already possible on the line6 and 505.
for example, say you want to use a bass effect on the line6, then quickly switch to filter on the input fx and flanger on track fx, instead of having to turn it off on the helix, then turn the input fx and track fx on manually, you can assign certain functions to a certain button on the launch pad, that will send a midi signal to tell the line6 and 505 to change what theyre doing.
Just looking forward to your reaction to Robin's round 'cause you're a chord expert. And your reaction is as my expectation. Hell yeah. 🔥
The golden device on his left is his 2nd device. The square device on his right is a MIDI controller that is used as shortcuts to different settings on the RC505 MKII or on the 2nd device.
Stitch's Reaction on Frosty's 2nd round: 😦😯😮😲😱🤯🔥🤯😱😲😯
Btw my opinion about the loopstation is for it to stay on its format. It only depends on how you present your music. Like how every Olympian prepares for Olympics in their own way, like how rythmind won loopstation with one device, like how codfish won solo with clean routines. I think that creating any fire round is pretty hard in any way. Appreciate the music not how "easy it looks", even if the artist made a way to make it easy. Still that process of making it easy is not easy and music is an art, it's not "easy" to create a masterpiece 💖 Just my opinion tho ✌️ much love everyone 💖
Edit: (I haven't heard Stitch's opinion when I commented this) ✌️ We're on the same side stitch. 💖 And for those who thinks Im just siding to Stitch. I made a comment on the judges live result for kickback wildcards saying the same thing. (:
The only difference is that I think Frosty won here. Personal taste, that's basically it. 😊
Great Reaction ! and holy moly what a Battle! :O :O
The easy way to solve the problem with extra devices is make sub categories and have 3 different categories. 1 for just loopstation. 1 for extra devices. 1 for anything goes.
12:55 Stitch so musical he just accidentally laughed in autotune.
13:10 I feel like you copied me.. expect I looked like that the entire round 😂😂 I’m still so blown away by frosty‘s second round like I can’t even describe it.. as far as I’m concerned sent both through to the next round lol nice reaction man
i'm impressed that no one just notised that stitch used the "Chezame & SXIN" thumbnail mode
I did?
@@stitch_mus1c yep
i mean like the photo of the video
@@GamingChannel-zo6qi OH U MEAN THE THUMBNAIL. yeah i was trying smtg new
@@stitch_mus1c 🤣🤣
i'm really bad at english (im from Russia), and thats because i didn't know how to spell this right, really sorry 😣
@@GamingChannel-zo6qi its okay xD
On the Inkie vs NME battle Inkie lost cause the judges thought that he was cheating using his second device. Even though he didn't his mastery of the second device was so good the judges thought he did. But by all rights Inkie wom that battle.
But every looper has the choice of using a device so its up to them, and even without a device people can still kill it.
This is so funny, keep up the great videos stitch !!
Exciting :) I'm have never cought one live before let alone one of my favorite bboxers!
Robin gives us a kind of cool, calming, nostalgic atmosphere..and it will be heard more often..compared to frosty
actually all of frosty rounds have more views than robins... so i guess the argument "will be heard more often" cant quite count. Its up to the judges taste in my opinion
It's really about personal taste, I listened to Frosty's second round an unhealthy amount of times
@@frankymojo6248 wot In Tarnation please provide a link with the videos with more views
@@bnoodles8971 frostys First round has right now 7k more views than robins first and frostys second has 19k more than robins second. Just look at swissbeatbox channel
@@frankymojo6248 woops I made a mistake 2 times, just cause frosty has more views doesn't mean Robin's sound are more heard, because more people use sounds like Robin
But what do you do when one restaurant has the best pizza and the other the best burger D:
But I love this battle especially there in the second round ... I got goosebumps there too but now Im waiting for next kickback rounds :)
bruh xD
Just order both and i die alittle inside because you ordered both. But at least it is worth right?
Then you go with your preference. For example in this battle, frosty offered one of the best hard drops and powerful style, and robin offered one of the best musical and calming styles. Whichever style you prefer then you can go with it. Same thing applies to your example, if you prefer pizza in general, then get pizza, if you're more of a burger fan, then get burger. They taste equally good cuz they are both the best of their kind, but it depends on the personal preference
aftr spending so many years of watching beatboxing vdeo or loopstation, Frosty just blow my mind today
18:00 he did it again! 👏🤣🤣
I think Boss should rename the new harmony effect to "Robin Effect" already..
I think loopstation battles got to a point where everyone is so good at their own thing that they will have to decide what they want to aim for as a competition, if more battle-ish hard things for competing like kind of a sport or if they want to take it closer to real music like more artistic (which is completely impossible to judge at this level imo). If not we will have this kind of "battles" where there is almost no battle moves, no counters and everything is based on what does each one like the most
Imagine if Robin used 2 devices with all the musicality he have😐🔥🔥😯
I think it would take away from his charm as a vocalist/beatboxer, honestly. There's a humanness to all of his tracks and for me that's due to the pure vocal power in all of his tracks. So he doesn't have much use with more devices, unless he's going for a more special-effect based looping style.
@@ajesco Totally agree
@@ajesco This, people seem to think that the second device is a magic do all. Where as in reality it mainly helps to layer effects and create more complicated textures or allow for more difficult sounds (see inkie/frosty) or effects to be produced faster (such as sxin). The second device absolutely provides an edge and really allows for hyper complex almost industry standard tracks to be produced, but there is a reason you dont see many vocalist or traditional elitist beatboxers using them. It would allow for some seriously complex tracks with musicality but I dont think they would be as good because they would likely sacrifice vocals in some parts as a result. I own a similar device functionally to a line6 and far too many people misunderstand what they can do and just hop on the hate because famous loopers dont like them. There are reasons not to like them but people really think its a magic do all are wrong.
Your decision making thing is what I used when I was looking at Hiss VS D-low
The steak analogy is great except i still can't choose which restaurant i would go to lol.
The heck! Though I watch robin's round one several times, I still get goosebumps at the same time overwhelmed. ❤ Nice reaction anyway stitch
24:20 I totally agree with you!!
I believe there should be 2 categories. 1 for single device, another for 2+ devices. The competition becomes harder to judge when there are more variables being introduces. Personal opinion on multiple devices shouldn't be a factor on judging.
This could have easily been the grand final match
My favorite second round robin singing beatiful🥺😢
You're totally right 💯❤️ I really wanna hear more from robin 😭😭 that second round almost made me cry
I've heard someone talk about 2nd device once and I agree to him.
Second device is a personal preference, frosty is used to using a 2nd device, doesn't mean he's better and he has an advantage, if robin had the thought that 2nd devices are a disadvantage for him then he would have used a 2nd device, but he hasn't, cuz its his preference, and you can already see that they both preformed equally good even tho one of them is using an extra device
And tbh, using only the loop and making the best out of it is better, cuz when you're using an extra device there is a high chance that its because you arent that good with effects on the normal loop, so you used a 2nd device to help you create your own style and while using something you're used to, in another way, lets say there is an effect on the loop that robin used, but frosty didn't cuz it doesnt match his style, but frosty needed an effect to use that matches his style so he used the 2nd device.
I dont know if you get what I mean but that's my opinion and honestly it really makes sense
Just imagine if Robin decided to film the round on an actual boat instead of the car
That would have been crazy😂
Idk why, but i was imagining that robin gonna film his round on a roller coaster 😅 Its kinda weird lol
robin and frosty have been great on the 2nd round !! INSANE
Just like Brez suggested a long time ago: the loopstation contest should be devided into 2 categories: single device and limitless. The scene and the fanbase is getting devided, anyway, so why letting them compete in the same category? That will only increase the hate second device users will gain from single device fans, the more superior second device loopers will become
NME actually only won against Inkie because the judges didn't know how to rate loop with a second device, so they couldn't rate it and gave NME a free win. Got the info from Brez' video in which he reacted to the battle. In his opinion Inkie was far ahead and he stated as he asked the judges why they chose NME and not Inkie, that they revealed that they only did it because they didn't know the second device he was using.
Transformers OST adaptation be like :
robin 4th round feels like when optimus prime died on war, and
frosty 3rd round like when optimus came back alive and killin" all the decepticon
what a battle!! xD
The smaller device to the left is called a Midi controller Launchpad of some sort , it’s not considered a second device as it doesn’t give you any other effects then what’s on your loop
It basically makes shortcuts so you don’t have to manually switch your settigns on the loop
You just press 1 of the buttons and it changes to the forefeet for you
However the other device is considered a 2nd device, it is allowed but honestly I think for a battle that was ment to showcase the new loop using a second device feels unnecessary
As for nme and inkie the judges thought that inkie was cheating that’s why nme won
I think for loopstation there should be 2 different categories. 1 that only allows the rc505, and 1 that let's u use up to like 3 devices or unlimited.
IMO, having 2 or more devices, means more complex tracks, which leads to a closer looking kind of music rather than beatbox in the scene. So it will eventually become something like comparing classical music to fucking dubstep, makes no sense, but using only 1 device, or 2 at the most, limits that outcome and avoids that problem. I wouldn't compare Despacito to Bangarang, would ya?
Ya, for example classical music and dubstep are both so sick and not easy to make, but it depends on personal preference. Someone may prefer classical music more, the other may prefer dubstep more
23:39
Stitch: Imagine....
Me: that?
18:21 MOM I MADE IT TO STITCH'S CHANNEL
Imagine 2nd round of frosty ON LIVE STAGE HOOLLYYYY
That intro made me feel some type of way ngl 🥵
Me when I nail something: 14:52
Every time I listen to each round I change my mind. I can't decide who I'd vote for, but I'm closer to Robin, tbh. Especially with using your strategy of avoiding extra round
18:00 WHAT THE FUCK LOL 😂😂😂😂😂
nme won against inkie because the judges thinked that inkie was so good they thought he was cheating, so the judges agreed to vote nme
i agree with your answer that extra devices should be allowed but don't necessarily agree with your reasoning. In NME vs Inkie I think Inkie won, but the judges were uncomfortable giving him the win because of how new the device was to the scene and they were unfamiliar with the parameters of it. I wouldn't say NME won because his technique and looping capabilities were better but I could be wrong. It just seems a bit strange seeing that battle and having it go 5-0 to NME.
Actually frost only use 2 device because that was midi controller(the launchpad) so only helix count as second device
17:29. Now I’m not an expert on shitting pants or anything but I wasn’t aware you could shit your pants any other way then physically. Mentally? Psychologically? Hmm. Maybe I’m in the wrong here
If anyone knows how to shit your pants mentally please teach me. I need to know
Robin is really crazy good
He gave me goosebumps too
No toxicity, but i .......
just kidding 😂
totally agree with your opinion
I answer the question: I'm earing Robin's second round every hour of my life.
My favorite reactor (and beatboxer) reacted to my favorite battle ♥️
Younger me would go for Frosty, older me would go for Robin.
In my mind, I think inkie would vote for frosty, rythmind would vote for frosty if frosty's counter melody in the second round impressed him and the sound design as well, whilst saro would vote for robin's musicality for the vocals.
(This is my prediction, I usually get it right but I hope robin would win this cuz I wanna hear him more XD )
using your method : frosty (even tho i didn't like his 1st round)
I think robin should win his style is just so unique and he should get props for video too
( edit ) stitch thinks the same this means im a proooooo judge pepouni should hire 😎
LMAO
im just waiting dice vs frosty cuz that might be close
Nme won cuz the judges thought he was cheating. That was the biggest factor
I agree wht stitch say 🙌
I'm not a "know it all" but it looks to me like he is controlling the Line 6 device with that tablet or whatever it is. The reason I think this is because he doesn't touch the Line 6 once.
to be clear, inkie lost the battle to NME because the judges thought he was breaking the rules with his extra device, i think madox made a video on it
18:00 🤣
Frosty make us Speechless 😶 🔥
In my opinion both are amazing in their own categories. To the debate of extra devices or not I feel like there should be 2 categories one with extra devices and one without and not necessairly because it sounds better but it starts to be something different it feels like judging a tag team vs a single beatboxer the 2 together have more potential yes but definaly don't always sound better because there is so much they can mess up but because of this the judging criteria is not the same for both of them...So to me they should not be in the same categorie but that might just be me
no entiendo nada pero el primer wachin estuvo re piola
24:22 i totally agree
What frosty said.. isn't a roast. to me.. he didn't understand what Robin was saying imo lol.. the small boat, is the loopstation. Robin's diss was way more intense than anyone realizes.. Robin telling frosty that your extra devices are necessary.
Robinnnnnn vey very beautiful 😃🎤😋
Those who give all this follish comments , put a umbrella in ur back nd let it be open..., Just enjoy his reaction...don't waste ur time on making comments.
Stitch recreate my reaction on Frosty round 2 haha
can yu react to liproll vs inward bass d low
The haters are always gonna hate.were lucky in the uk we have frosty,dlow,reeps one,hobbitt,bass Ventura,balance but if your a fan of guys from your home country everyone hates.reeps is the og and dlow current world number one but people think the pros who judge and score them are wrong.