ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING POINT AT A FLAT OR APARTMENT, EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW!
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- ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING POINT AT A FLAT OR APARTMENT, EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW!
Many of our electric vehicle charging points videos are often fitted at properties with off-street parking, but what can be done if you live or own a flat/apartment? This video will detail how you can have a private or shared vehicle charging point when living or owning a flat or apartment. Want to find out more about what Government grants are currently available for EV charging points? click this link 👉 • CHANGES TO THE OZEV GR...
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00:00 The Topic
01:00 Charging Location
02:46 Power Location
06:08 Switch Fuse
06:46 First Consumer Unit
09:48 Cable Running
11:40 Second Flat
13:43 A Different Route
14:21 Grant Funding
17:37 Another Factor
18:04 Who’s Paying?
19:41 Power Consumption
21:53 A Little Treat
23:49 What Charger
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As a consultant engineer who as part of our provided services designs EVC installations to go into new build flatted developments I can say that to do this properly, all above board and correct in every manner is very difficult.
Something many people overlook is a privately owned cable going through common areas. You are then into the realms of legal requirements to put in place the right agreements to allow the cable to go through common areas. The next issue is safe isolation, if the cable is protected from the private dwelling and someone in the future is working within a riser etc. you must provide safe isolation within the common area. Another thing to consider is that this development probably has an ADMD of 2kVA per flat, what happens when infrastructure designed for a far smaller load has to start accepting EVC connections into multiple flats?
Where the developer wants to include EVC, generally we put a feeder pillar in the carpark and it is adopted by a back office service such as one Rolex run, to pay the bills, meter the power and invoice the user accordingly, basically it sucks to have a EV and live in a flat where you might find you cannot just have your own power supply to your own EVC.
Having your own supply to your own bay has all sorts of issues down the line if the owner of the bay doesn't have a vehicle and wants to rent it out. Using a communal/landlords supply to disassociate the parking bay from the property makes the most sense - just use a freely available payment gateway (eg. "Tap Electric") that reimburses the owner of the communal supply for the EV usage and everyone is happy. The owner of the communal supply doesn't need to know or care who uses the chargepoints, just leave that to the payment gateway to worry about.
well explained Jordan, we recently done a similar job and found that moving the electrical meters downstairs to be an easier option to running cabling externally from the building.
another possible way of doing it could be to maybe replace the fused isolators in the service cupboard with a small 2 way fuse board, feed the flat with 63A (the flats appear to be fed in 16mm² T&E so 80A is pushing it a bit anyway) then 32A for the charger, if surge protection is being fitted then will need a slightly bigger board 4 maybe 5 way, suppose depends on the space you may have available, definitely think the Easee Chargers are the right option for this install too!
Easee don't respond to support requests. Quite an awful impression.
@@nzer19 I haven't had any issues with the Easee chargers I have installed so don't know what the support is like unfortunately
@@nzer19 As the owner of an Easee One charger I have contacted Easee twice. Both times via their website and both times have had a response within hours. Can't understand why you would have a problem.
That was an excellent video Jordan, your knowledge and presentation skills are second to none. Well done my friend.
John from Hull.
This was FANTASTIC. Although not in the UK, it gave me some great background info in moving forward with electric vehicle charging, which I hope to do in the future. Nice one!
Glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching.
What an awesome video Jordan. Well done!
That was so informative my head hurts! Great video, cheers from NZ
Exactly 130,000 subscribers, congratulations!! 🎉
Great video and shows the complications of installation...
Very informative thank you.
Excellent video, well done.
So informative, thank you.
Always good to have a neatly trimmed bush, not essential but nice to see. Great advice.
Great video and presentation 👍🤘
Your videos are great and very detailed 👍🏻
Great video and good to see you at Fully Charged the other day, would like to talk more about this as a potential business opportunity.
Well done Jordon a really good informative run through of what you need to consider for these installations.
Thanks!
Great videos and straight forward important information. Im from New Zealand and some things are similar but seeing the chargers and features are the best tips to take away. Interesting that you didn't mention a new connection to the street grid for this?
Very useful video thankyou.
This really is an excellent video.
Excellent video!
I live in a small apartment block. We are considering installing EV system and found Jordans explanation incredibly informative. I am sure their are many pitfalls however the issues requiring consideration are clearly laid out. It's a pity for us that Artisan are not on Solihull? Keep up the great work.
Is there an edinburgh based equivalent coming that would do such an install on my flat?
This was really interesting. One of the reasons I moved to a house from a flat is that the management company didn't want to install EV chargers, but that was before the grants for more than 5 spaces (the whole development would have about 50 spaces) so maybe they'd be more receptive now. If I ever look at moving into a flat, I might run this video by them if they aren't into the idea.
However, since I'm still renting, I went for a charging solution where I can take the charging infrastructure with me. I have a commando (blue) socket installed and an Ohme Go charger to charge the car. When I leave, I can just bring the charger with me, and the cabling for the socket I can cheaply get removed and move to the new house (Unless the landlord decides to pay me what I spent on installation).
Another great informative video Jordon, I have just had a EV OHME charger installed to centre brick post of double garage, AS it was 30 metres from my outside main power supply box and I didn’t want cable fixed along bottom of stone brickwork I had a trench dug mainly under lawn and then a section of hardcore & gravel drive. MY question is I’ve watched loads of videos where the supply always goes into the customers consumer board. On my installation it was all done via the main house supply outside box. What is the disadvantages of wiring it this way if any ? Love watching all the videos that gets put up.
None buddy all good just not supposed to put fuseboards into meter cabinet
I've been after a point at my property for ages but always hit a brick wall when it comes down to getting approval from the landlord, without it costing easily £400-£500. Then theres the cost of having the point installed. The best option I found was PodPoints Apartments system, but the cost is still insane. New flats are not built for EV charging at all. I've given up.
Good information thanks
Well explained Jordan. That looks to be a tricky job to be fair!
Great Video thanks for making it.
You were talking about grants but said you needed 5 for biggest grant.
Could you make it 5 by simply adding one charger on building visitor parking spot and on landlords circuit.
For setups like these, someone should make a switchfuse unit which also provides a second output via a DP RCD, so you could effectively split the flat's tails without needing much more space in the distribution area.
Proteus will usually make up anything you want. Iv had stuff made to order.Eaton make an 80 amp MCB too
Lewden have these available
That DNO supply head looks like it has additional unprovisioned capacity. Would suspect the DNO could upgrade the management company's supply to a 3-phase relatively easily in this property. Could then put in a 3-phase board and some faster chargers all fed from the main DB using back office billing. Probably wouldn't even need to go into the flats.
@@christianclark1354 good shout
I was thinking this. Why not just run them all from that meter cupboard. You can still run each charger off each flat's feed so you don't have to mess about with a billing system, but now the cables all run together from the single point without having to do seperate cabling in each flat. If the supply needed to switched off for maintenance of some kind in the future it makes it easier if the switches are all there together as well.
very interesting keep up great work be safe guys :D
Perhaps. Also look at lighting provision at the charging points. A solar light with movement sensor cheap easy installation.
Ask the DNO to upgrade the single phase Landlords supply into a three phase supply? And fit a 3phase CU in riser above? And do the back office payments etc. Looks like there are spare ways from that 'grey box' - thats a Lucy multi service distribution board, MSDB. Saves faffing around with multiple flat CUs and the routes. MSDB- from left to right; first 3 ways are L1, next 3 are L2, and L3 gets the next 4, looks to be a spare one of each 😁
Nice vid. Cheers for the content👍
This is a very timely video! How do you cope when there is no wall to which to attach the charging point? E.g. the wall belongs to someone else or - as in my case - the parking bay is across a pavement from the flat (so a pedestal is also out). You also mentioned that you can only get the grant if you have an EV, but that's a chicken-and-egg situation: many people won't get an EV without also having a charging point installed simultaneously, and there are long lead times for vehicles. So is there any flexibility on the installation time and having an EV time?
Very useful thank you. I live in a second floor flat with consumer unit in the flat and the meter on the ground floor. I have had two survey quotes done and neither mentioned the consumer unit and the need to run cables from it, yet in your video you will be doing just that. Is there a way to avoid having a wired connection between the consumer unit and the meter? Thanks
Thanks for this video, as a flat owner it’s been very educational in terms of the practicalities but being in Scotland I’m not sure how relevant the regulatory side is. I’m in the unfortunate position of having the furthest space from the block for flats so good to know it is doable, albeit going EV is are the furthest thing from my mind at the moment!
It probably is not doable is the thing. You would not be able to freely run a cable through any common areas without a lot of red tape. Find my comment on this video in the comments section and you will receive some insight.
Thanks for the update on grants etc. It becomes a full-time job just to keep track of all the changes in our industry. I'm curious as to why, when talking about max demand, you didn't qualify it by saying that the possible problem of excessive load could be overcome by the use of load balancing with a CT clamp, or in the case of the Easee charger - an Easee Equaliser.
This only works if.....
1. One lives in private apartment/flats.
2. One has assigned parking spots.
3. One has permission from landlord
4. One does not live in high rise block.
5. One does not live in Social/Council Housing.
6. None of the above resolves Real World range anxiety, I drive an ICE Petrol Mercedes which gets a guaranteed 350 mile/tank not upto 350 miles dependent on using lights/heater/Rado/heated screens etc.
7. More cost on top of the purchase/lease of an EV.
So many issues with owning an EV including the UK only has 5% excess electricity on the grid overall.
Using the 'Green Agenda' to justify owning an EV does not work as most of the UK Electricity is not Green power.
All the above comes from someone who would switch to an EV tomorrow if all of the above issues were eradicated.
EV ownership is going to become a lot more expensive.
The government cannot go without the petrol/diesel duty and tax going into the coffers.
They have already talked about separate meters for domestic and EV charging.
Road charging based on your 'car' calling home and telling whoever how many miles you did and was it congested. They will take the money right out of your bank
Another Taylor wimpey special, I’ve seen some of their installations before and that’s a good one Jordon 😂🤣
Concern from the routing I have is taking supplies from one property through another. Going through landlords is one thing but going through another dwelling I wouldn’t recommend. That would all need agreement and would recommend clear labelling of where cables fed from at more than just each end, where visible in loft of apartments
Absolutely. If flat had exclusive use of loft space above it, may need to vary terms of lease to run another flat's cable through it. Else next owner could just remove it.
So basically in a flat with air-source, heat-pump heating, electric cooking and an electric shower - the only allowable EV would be a Scalextric (at the lower speeds only)
amusing but no, it needs the electric supply company to come & upgrade their supply. This has even been discussed on BBC TV news.
Or you add a sensor that disables ev charger when more than 50/60 amps used and switches back on after.
or a smart load distribution charger that throttles charging to the car when load demand in the house is high
@@alanhat5252 which creates its own problems. If all 118 of the flats in my complex move to 3-phase, with electric air-source heating and EV chargers, then the small (half-garage sized) substation that services our flats would need to be upgraded to twice what it currently is (if not more). Problem there is that the land simply doesn't exist to allow such an upgrade. We would either need the council demolish the local swimming baths, or six (or more) residents would need to completely sacrifice their parking bays.
@@skfalpink123 that's an interesting conundrum.
My first thought is that if your current substation is single-phase (I find this unlikely) it would be trebled to add the other 2 phases which would probably add sufficient extra capacity without increasing the scale of any component.
My next thought is to question why the substation is on-site at all given that they can fail in a most spectacular manner, possibly leading to a Grenfell-style style scenario.
How far away is the nearest sensible alternative site for a substation?
Modern electronics can replace transformers, drastically reducing the footprint & adding management capabilities like Voltage control & selective circuit switching, I believe they're cheaper too.
Very informative. Would you please do a video about the different types of EV charge points and their features?
The red fuses mean that the supply is fused elsewhere. Its not the fuse in the switchfuse which protects it. There is individual fuses in the service head! Which is why the head is so big and wide!!
Didn't see this before i commented the same. Sure it was just a brain fart by Jordan
Is there room to change the fused isolators for 4way boards then run a cable up the riser for each apartment and out to the appropriate parking space
Looking forward for the installation
Really interesting and useful for those of us in flats, especially as I'm in flats with a few large buildings and possibility of the home owners association putting in five or more units in some of the shared parking spaces.
Unfortunately, none of the spaces have walls nearby so then it's a case of how much extra does it cost for pedestal installs and are there any that actually look good in a garden setting with grass areas near the parking bays. I can imagine a lot of people being upset by the look of some of those poles and huge black boxes. Ideally, the charger would be something telescopic that disappeared into the ground when not in use! Maybe one day.
Pedestals are cheap enough it’s realy the digging of trenches do cable runs etc . All the pedestals need is like a 600x600x600 hole filled with concrete ( approx)
@@makg4655 There are pre-made foundations that just need to be lowered into the ground, but yes, that size is about right.
And, nettlesoup, multi-unit chargers are usually not "big black boxes", just google for the aforementioned easee chargers.
😂 😂 Nice little safety check on the main buzz bar with the he power on. Even if it is a insulated screwdriver, noticed on more than a few videos someone pokes around a live consumer unit.
Surprised he did it on camera to be fair.
Change 80a KMF in riser cupboard to 2 way board and supply all from there.
Crazy running from each individual flat.
We have 110 flats & no numbered spaces & sharing will never work on an estate. But sending Managing Agents your link - after Ive planned Leaseholders EV spaces - rented flats will be without !! Plus the 100 houses - there is not enough Electric cable power before estate goes boom. Very interesting, our spaces are far away from block but maybe you can get electric from the light cables ?? Damn not Cambridgeshire either just down though 😁
i got a quotation for my 3 flat tower (with 3 phase) that I should get a new circuit and distribution board setup from the main switch after the meter (instead of getting the cable to the in-house MCB), which do you think is the best approach? new MCB from meter or getting it from the home?
Thanks for a very interesting video!
When you have the opportunity please could you do a video for a large block of flats where running cables (power or data) from each flat to the parking spaces just isn't feasible. Lots of people will be in this sort of situation who'd like to get an electric vehicle, but getting a charging point installed seems really difficult.
Many thanks.
From a technical point that's actually a really easy case, there are a number of chargers (like the aforementioned easee) that are designed to be connected in groups of up to one hundred to one supply and then meter the usage. The real issue there is to get the management company/landlord to have those installed, manage them and handle the billing. Sadly this is nothing an electrician can help you with.
But we are approaching the point where landlords will realise that trying to rent out a parking space without a charger is the same as trying out a flat without a bathroom. In about 30 years, when EVs make 80+% of all cars on the street...
@@HenryLoenwind look at Tap Electric for "free" (transaction fee only) billing - they're an Easee partner, and don't charge a monthly per chargepoint subscription (plus transaction fee) like Monta, Fuuse etc.
Again a great video by you guys!!!
Will there be an installation-video for this site? Would be great 😍
Possibly!
Great informative video Jordan 👍 is the supply TNS? As far as I’m aware the Esee charge points don’t have PEN fault detection so you would have to fit a Matt:e unit or divorce the Earth and TT. Just thought I’d mention. Keep up the good work 😊
They do have PEN fault detection now that they make special UK models.
Superb video. Will there be a video of the install?
Love this, definately getting a share on my page 👍😉💪
Thanks for watching Tim 👌🏼
@@artisanelectrics very relevant 😉⚡✊
Why is there no segregation of the AC and Comms. In Australia its 150mm or a durable barrier, so conduit. Yet I see 220v and coax sitting on-top of each other. Cheers keep up the good work.
In Germany we have meter cabinets installed in the utility room of apartment buildings with enough space (DIN rails) above the meters to mount the backup-fuses for the consumer units and three-phase RCDs and MCBs for EV chargers there. Of course there are also challenges to run the cables to the charging points, but it is a lot easier to get the power from one place instead of the individual flats. That also prevents the expenditure of providing a billing system, if every parking space belongs to a specific flat.
Most things in Germany are better thought out than here so not surprising
7:24 no one does that anyway aswell… Install a distribution block after the main switch and install a small RCD/Breaker/Surgeprotectionboard that feeds the charger and you‘re done!
Why not install a smaller (garage) consumer unit with surge protection in the supply cupboard for each dwelling, instead of running cables all the way up to the flat? I used to be a Wylex rep and would have thought that this would be the easier option? Good video by the way.
You mentionead the EasEE charger with a back-office system to run from the landlord's supply or more likely a dedicted one, but does the EasEE have the required MID approved metering required if charging people for electricity?
Also, you mentioned adding to the electricity price to cover costs, AIUI this is illegal for general use ( e.g. landlord charging tenant) unless you are a licensed supplier - is this different for EV charging?
Don't Wallbox do a system that satisfies this? They are controlled/monitored by a Commander unit.
In Belgium with our very strange tax system, your employer is encouraged to pay a part of your salary in the form of giving you a leasing car and pay for all the fuel (!). When EV became a thing, the charging point manufacturers immediately made a consortium and defined an open standard for communcation between charging points and a back-office system : the OCPP protocol. The charging point are of course equipped with MID approved metering. There is a free market for back-office services. Usually for a company car the back-office is configured to have your company refund your home electricity costs needed to charge the company car. I think about all EV charging points sold in Belgium have MID metering and are OCPP compliant. Beware domestic installations in Belgium are always TT with local earth so the protection is more simple than in UK from that point of view (no PEN fault detection stuff here).
The metering is fine but it is another piece of back office for billing. We use monta and the do all that stuff
My understanding is that the rule about reselling having to be at cost only applies to supplies for domestic use. I'm pretty sure a public EV charger doesn't count as domestic use, but I have no idea how a charger in a block of flats would be treated.
Is the incoming supply 3TP ?? If so could you not put in fast chargers and use back office payment ?
Another Q around funding... could they have had FIVE charging points - 4 with actual chargers (£850) and then one that came off the landlord supply that was just provisioned? That way they'd get the max funding and also have a spare zone in case they ever extended the car park, or made the bays slightly thinner to fit more parking?
Great content Guys....just check with the DNO about the size of the fuses in the 3 phase Ryefield unit supplying those red links !!
Good point!
In my experience these have always been 60A fuses!
1, huge cable runs
2, joined up thinking if they all install them together
3, but only one can get the grant as only one vehicle is on order? but if there were 5 you could put in as many dummy ones as you could fit?
thanks
Great video! So much useful info. Qu. What happens if the electrician operating the back office payment system closes their business?
You'd be stuffed.
There are third-party payment gateways available (ie. Monta, Fuuse) and no doubt these are the same ones the electrician is using but white-labeled. Most of these third party payment gateways cost £5-£8 per month per chargepoint (plus 10% transaction fees), and the electrician will almost certainly be skimming off the top.
Or you/your managing agent can sign up with a "disruptive" payment gateway like "Tap Electric" which has just entered the UK market in partnership with Easee, as they only charge a transaction fee - there is no fixed monthly cost for each chargepoint.
Hopefully there will be more payment gateways like "Tap Electric" in future (and less like Monta, Fuuse etc.) so that your managing agent can configure whatever low-cost payment gateway they choose, and switch to a new payment gateway if/when one fails.
I spent 2 years arguing with and then replacing my factor so I could just ask my fellow owners if we can install a charger in our space. Finally got the vote and have approval. Also going to the Easee charger for the 4g connection and fortunately there is a run from our 4th floor flat down to the bin store that's 8m from our space. The only real issue is having a trench dug for the final part of the run. All in with grant it's £2,500 for us to get the install but something I feel confident we would get back from the sale of the property in the future.
I’m in a block with 45 other owners. Do I have to get all to agree to it or just a threshold percentage?
@@aljames7345 you need to look at your deeds of condition. For me it was about calling a meeting and then getting a majority of votes cast.
@@rossadamdixon thanks v much Ross. Will do.
@@aljames7345 Sounds like a challenging situation but we'll done for persevering with it. Maybe you can get some others I the building to join in with it. If you got 10 installed rather than 1 I'm sure the cost each would be lower.
Interesting video, I live in a block of 9 flats and as an owner have a directors share of the management company and its financial affairs, what's not so great about the £850 per parking spot is the electricity from the management meter supply, I doubt that would be fed on the 7p tariff unlike my own consume unit through my own supplier, so any saving of the £850 compared to the £350 would be lost in a matter of months due to higher cost of tariff per KWH on the management supply. Correct me if 'm wrong.
Hi yes a have a question about you mentioned all the possibilities of government Grant but you didn’t mention anything about your quotation??
Interesting to see it's possible with even a tricky build. How would you deal with our scenario where we own both the house and the garage opposite but the two are separated by a 2 metre public footpath ? Do regs allow for overhead cables between them for a charger ?
A gully could be installed in the ground, to allow a charging cable to run along it below the depth of the surface. This is the method often used when someone needs to charge outside a terraced property.....
Fantastic video presentation. A build in 2015 should have given more consideration to EV charging for each flat parking. I appreciate the solution of individual cables in this instance but I think I would of gone for a new management meter connection with a back-office billing service for all. Might be more expensive now but gives more options in the future.
I do believe that was the finished inspection date, which means planning was done at least a year or two before. I seriously doubt anyone in 2013 could have figured the EV market for taking off this fast.
@@rupe53 plus they couldn't even be bothered to wire the consumer units properly in the flats, so it's unlikely they cared enough to think about the future after the flats were sold and the cash landed!
@@Parklive_uk ... again, planning is likely a year or two ahead of the inspection dates, meaning the architects are probably working with code from around 2010 or earlier. Future changes would be handled in the future... and 10 years is a LONG time to plan anything ahead.
One question I have is the MD ,should the correct process of calculation of MD should be done by an amp meter. I know that part of an eicr inspection must use a meter to measure the max demand using a amp meter. In many cases it's calculated only.
Hi do you still need to fit a type A rcd at the board if the EV charger has one installed in the unit itself.. Plus you mention running the cable through the other flat loft.. Will you mark the cable it's on the other boards supply in the loft incase of future work done in the loft. Cheers Steve
Because only a hand full of chargers have the Type A built in, sync EV and zappi come to mind. The rest have a type AC built in.
How do you handle compartmentation and fire stopping drilling through fire separating elements?
probably just the way it's usually done... with fire rated caulk and conduit for penetrations. A job like this will absolutely need to be inspected when finished.
Some crazy long cable runs!
Super long!!
There will be main dno fuses inside the main 3 phase incomer. These may well be 60A.
The switchfuses are there as the meter tails exceed 3m, they belong to the customer, not the dno.
sounds like 4 zappi daisy chained chargers off the landlords supply would work....plus add a 5th visitor charger to qualify for the full grant?
Hope to see the practical on this
What safety ramifications are there for running other [eoples cables through properties e.g fire protection etc for the loft cables?
Would I be right in suggesting that the landlord supply wouldn’t be protected by the government unit price cap too as it’s a commercial property / supply?
Just a small correction Jordan... The protection is inside the 3ph service head box below the redhead units. The switchfuses are to protect the cables to the flats :)
it almost makes you wonder why they even put the redheads in?
Are there any "ownership" issues with running cables for other flats through the loft space of just one of them?
If you can run them all together, I'd use the "dummy" drain pipe as a 65mm conduit, although you'd need some decent support at the top.
Depends on what it says in the Title Deeds. I used to have a top floor flat with a loft and it was stated in my Title Deeds that I had to grant reasonable access to my loft for maintenance issues. For example the communal TV aerial was in my loft and all of the Virgin Media cables for the flats ran through my loft. So whilst legally it was my loft it was also in my Title Deeds that I have to provide access if maintenance is required for these things, also provide access for roof repairs etc. So yeah really depends what the top floor flats title deeds says.
Did you actually have to unscrew the MSF cover to get the fuse out ?
Did you ensure the owner of that wall the red Mazda was agreed the charger can go on it also if the owner of the flat there if not the owner of the red car is hauling with the clonking of the connectors ?
If a 5th charger would mean all '5' installs getting grant, then maybe install one off landlords supply whilst you are there. Either a dummy for future use or active with public 'metered' use with back-office use. That way, a visitor could also use.
Also, would installing extra isolators in the meter cupboard be better than running cables from each flat? Run cables through communal area within maybe, some pendock or box trunking?
when taking into account the lead on the consumer unit supply should an air source heat pump supply not be thought about as its along the same green lines and may save having the work done twice.
What would you recommend for an electric vehicle charger please
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You were looking at installing cables in the riser with fire alarm and coaxial cables on the existing containment ?
Interesting, I hadn't really thought it being reasonably feasible to run power from the apartments themselves but... sure, then (at least for this kind of low-rise). At least it's straightforward for the billing part.
Check the adiabatic equation on the PVC/PVC submains feeding flats.
I live in a terraced house (tenant), and both my supply and CU are inside the property, in a cupboard under the stairs. The floor is all concrete, and access to the top floor from that cupboard is very limited. It's absolutely impossible to pull the cable in any reasonable hidden way beside just dropping it through the living room, and then go outside via my landlord's garden and then to our small dedicated parking lot. So, I'm never getting a proper charger in this building, despite it being only 15y old 😪
This might be a dumb question as an American, but is there not "guest" parking? They could install 5 chargers and have the one extra for guests, and either use a public charging network (ChargePoint here in the US) or allow the guest charger to use any resident's RFID card. That seems like it would greatly simplify getting the grant and the work completed.
If there is guest parking it would be simpler to still have the 4 chargers 1 per apt and just have a guest who needed to charge park in the residents spot and the resident in the guest spot. Also avoids the issue of the LL having to pay full install cost for what would presumably be a very infrequently used residents charger.
Taylor Wimpey 🥴 I'd have been all over those snagging issues if I was the landlord! (unless they ARE the landlord???... then I guess they don't care) - super informative video though! Didn't think about things like distance of the cabling and ownership boundaries!
Thanks for watching!
How much cost to take a T off from the street supply with remote monitoring to the server ?
One of the biggest things to consider which I don't belived was mentioned is that from a user point of view it would likely be advantageous to have it connected to your supply rather than the landlord supply as you can choose the rate of the supply (for example have cheaper overnight rates etc).
Yeah absolutely thats a good point
Very interesting. Obviously electric vehicle infrastructure is a lot more advanced in the UK than it is where I now live Qld Australia. Still not big here yet. The scale of the country and the distances involved and let's face it the urban travel capabilities of most of the current electric vehicles make them not viable in a lot of situations. Plus the things are still stupidly dear considering what they are. Another factor here is how green is running an electric vehicle if your power is coming from coal. But enjoyed watching what is happening in my old home.
Potential for 400v depending on flats phase and charger locations
Interesting video Jordan😊
You mentioned the owner of the tarmac not wanting it cut up but the owner of the fence and back wall could have an issue with you drilling into it?
Helpful explanation of the grants too 😊👍
MY exact thought when I saw that, that back wall looks like part of another building (maybe a garage?) that isnt part of the flat in question.
Exactly who owns the back wall ?
Also, if my lease gives me exclusive use of the loft space above my flat, you can't run another flat's cable through it. (At least not without relevant clause in lease else subsequent owner of that flat could remove the cable!)
From an aerial installer you would have to be careful running high current cables parallel to the aerial cables on the cable tray in that riser cupboard, as it could cause a lot of interference.
It'll be fine
The amount of jobs I've seen with data and power on the same tray and no interference, so long as there's a few inches between you'll be fine.
Reg 528.1 Band 1 cable should not be ran with Band 2 cables
If airbnb is a workplace, how does that fit in with planning permission for change of use of the property from residential to workplace?