@@davidajayi1207 oh yes, I am well aware that it is Boeing’s fault. Even without COVID, they launched the program over 10 years ago while the original clean sheet B777 was launched in 1990 and from the first prototype built in 1994 to delivery was 14 months.
Unfortunately Boeing is another engineering company that was run by people who knew nothing about engineering, hopefully with the appointment of the new boss they may see a change 🤷♂️
I agree, this is just the same old thing. By now everyone knows Boeing can't deliver anything on time. That's why Airbus is eating them for lunch. Boeing is a joke.
Please stop watching his videos if you and others feel this way. What an enormous waste of time to be watching if they are as you describe. Just saying...
after this 5 year long struggle it'll still be outperformed in capacity by the a350-1000 and the 777-8 will be outperformed in range by the a350-900ulr... oh well
I'm very glad to hear this positive news about Boeing and the FAA. Besides Boeing's unscrupulous business decisions, the problems with the 737 Max were in large part due to the FAA not doing its job by delegating responsibility of guarding the hen house to the fox. I hope the 777X gets certified sooner than later and with no more hiccups. I would also like to see the 737 Max get up to speed soon too.
Great Video. Boeing has a MAJOR PR problem which is going to be VERY DIFFICULT to turn around, as most people now say "If it's a Boeing, I ain't going". Unbelievable what GREED for PROFIT$ can do to a once great brand
Ortberg seems to be the correct person to deal with the mess. But even he cannot carve talented and experienced engineers out of wood. Half a decade to replace lost experience is quite normal for a company that size. Expect more to come. If we are unlucky, another undocumented quality escape will fall out of the sky. Even Ortberg cannot know everything.
While technically it was Boeing, there is evidence that the issues at Boeing started after the management personnel from McDonald/Douglas moved into the operational management at Boeing, bringing the ideals that ended MCD's historical run.
Hey people haven't you guys heard that A321XLR has its range reduced due to the technicals about its fuel tank located at the cargo hold of the aircraft?it's flies far because of the add on fuel tank.thus is a potential risk if something goes wrong with the aircraft 😅
All I got to say is that Boeing better hope and pray that United States doesn’t get into a war at least the level of Vietnam. Because that would take money and resources away from the 777X. They better start learning how to produce major planes a lot quicker.
Despite the anti-Boeing drumbeat on this channel, I have invested real money in Boeing. I would urge the presenter to focus on facts, not wild opinions.
That won't happen. The 777-9 is already reaching the ceiling on wing efficiency. For a 777-10X to actually seduce custommers, Boeing need to design a new larger wing (not in span but in root chord). That's a major design change, triggering a wholeset of specific certifications and testings. This will increase the development and production cost of that variant. And to get return on investment, Boeing will have to sell like, 500 units... But due to the increased unit price, Airlines won't buy the type. Conclusion, it's a loss. Think of it as the same fate as 767-400ER, 787-10, 747-8 and 737-400. Boeing historically designed the wing of a parts sharing type for the middle-sized variant. In the case of 777-X, the wing was designed as a compromize between the 8X and 9X. A 10X was never seriously envisionned, as, remember, Boeing was still under that atrociously cutting cost management when developping this new 777. Take Airbus A350 for instance. Airbus doesn't have that "most economically efficient" mentality. From the start the A350-900 and A350-1000 *have different wings.* Each design perfectly fitting each variant. The A350 has much more room to grow than the 777X, let's say, an A350-1100 with -1000 wings could still perform okay, but Airbus is not dumb enough to even take the idea seriously (requires Airlines lobbying). That's how you make an A350-1000 successful, giving it a dedicated wing. Had Airbus fitted -900 wings to the 1000, the aircraft would have performed poorly. Had Airbus fitted 1000 wings on the 900, would have destroyed 900 performance due to an heavier wing. Had Airbus done like Boeing and chosen an in-between design, both 900 and 1000 would have seduced less airlines. Manufacturer's goal is to sell, not to listen to lambda people's wishes. Boeing is no different, hence, won't go further with a 777-10X (won't do the same mistake as with 767 and 747 now that every penny counts). From our Airline side of standpoint, an easy description is : _"Airbus is the manufacturer for rich and wealthy people. Boeing is for the poor. Both manufacturers have their fair share of custommers."_ If you have travellers that can afford it, you go Airbus. Otherwise, you're Boeing.
Even though Boeing has said it would produce a 777-10 variant if there is an interest, I can’t see it being a popular option if nothing is done to the wing design. The 787-10 suffers this conundrum. The extra seats and weight hampers range by over 1000 nm over the -9.
Yes it’s late, but when you consider what COVID did to Boeing ( and all large manufacturing industries ) its not too bad, you have to what happens to development projects when they grind to a halt, it’s not just a matter of switching the program on again.
I think airlines are correct to be concerned but some slack must be given too. strikes can be very nasty. It would be very wise to start to get some planes out ASAP to get things on track. Ty for your montage.
Here’s a thing because it’s so behind schedule… why are the airlines waiting until they actually have the plane in their inventory to do familiarization training? Why aren’t they doing that now with a mock up in their training facility so by the time they get the plane they already familiar with it intimately…
Because as Boeing has proven a delivery date is always changing. Opportunity cost of the money and time spent doing "familiarization training" is huge. Also how do you train for something for something not certified ? Things can (and should) change by the times it's certified.
A twin jet of this size, with this speed and range, with this fuel consumption rate, would be a massive step forward for commercial passenger aviation. If it works, of course..
50 years old? Where did you get that from? The first 777 had its first flight in 1994 as a clean sheet design. Hell the a330 is 2 years older than this thing and that jet was based of the a300/a310 but had the system architecture based on the a320.
It is not huge news. It is just another phase in the chaotic company certification process for the plane. This plane looks it may be redundant and irrelevant before it even carries any passengers. So many issues surround Boeing I am not the only one who makes sure not to book on a flights if I find out the plane is Boeing.
Next problem for Boeing - retaliatory tariffs from customer countries in response to Trump's idiotic threatened tariffs. Puts the price of a 777x up considerably when compared to the competition.
People love to eat bacon, but surely complain about the smells and messy splatters while it’s frying. I’d wager that no airline would drag its feet to grab hold of their share of 777X's once they get certified.
Nice-ish sort of Boeing news. I cross my fingers and hope for a stress and issue free remainder of their FAA certification. I'm nervous. Any little problem will be additionally harmful to Boeing and everyone involved with this airliner.
This is awesome mate👍. What I really can't understand is why is the a380 hasn't become a combi version. I just don't understand have you done a vlog on this? Please mate let me know 🇦🇺
Ask Airlines that actually operated combi aircraft. Here is their operational experience : Combi has one part of the plane for passengers, and another part for cargo. When you only have one or two aircraft as a small airline, or on a small section of your network, you easily fill both compartments. When your airline grow, you try to secure regular flight on routes with high demand, to have a trustful response to travelers and cargo shipping expectations, you buy/position new planes on those routes. However, with combi aircraft, you are faced with a dilema : your aircraft is not big enough to consistently satisfy demand *in passenger AND cargo PER FLIGHT,* and not small enough to not fly empty on some months along the year. *Best course of action is to separate cargo operations from passenger.* You then have another problem : you usually can't afford two aircraft. Solution is to have smaller less costly aircraft (That's why the 777-F and converted 767s are better than 747). On top of that, no major airline owns their entire fleet. Usually, half or even more are leased. Leasing is well established, as it considerably eases fleet management : renegociate for bigger aircraft in exchange of smaller ones when you need it, and vice versa. Add another unit on those routes for 3 months... as easy as that. Conclusion : large airlines don't need combi. How many small airlines can afford A380 ? => Airbus has no benefits proposing a variant that won't sell.
How have they not been class-actioned yet? The original delivery dates for their first planes was back 2020. Expected delivery for their first usable one is now 2026. It's staggering to me that they can tell everyone we may show up 6 years late give or take, and all anyone is willing to do is grumble about it. Are the contracts really that air-tight? Maybe the scale and type of transaction is just too far outside my realm of understanding?
Airlines bounced back faster than the aircraft manufacturers. Airbus finally caught up with its backorder problem last year. Boeing's other challenges have made it more difficult. But ... don't count them out. Airlines are still looking to use dependable, easier to maintain, and more cost-efficient to operate aircraft.
Every contract has clauses on what happens in case of delays. Mostly it’s financial compensations. So for airlines that already has orders 10 years ago the plane gets cheaper and cheaper with every delay. And for Boeing it means that they will loose money on the first few hundred airplanes delivered.
Safer than the A350....what do you mean? How many safety issues got the A350? In Japan, despite the collision with another plane, no dead people ...lol
You spent nearly four minutes bashing Boeing (who among us doesn’t at this point understand the self-inflicted turmoil Boeng has weathered) before finally getting to the “HUGE” news that certification flights had been restarted. Of course that good news couldn’t stand alone without a little more bashing - this time about speculation that EIS by airlines “could” slip into 2027. The doom and gloom is getting boring. 🥱 Would love to see a more positive piece on the cultural changes Boeing have made, and the progress they’re making, vs constantly being clubbed over the head by the shortcomings of their recent past performance. Otherwise, I love your channel. Keep up the good work 👍🏼
The longest certification process of all time
And it's just a derivative of an existing platform. Very poor
@@martinsutherland5502you’re forgetting the reason it’s taken so long is not really fault of the aircraft but of Boeings other problems + covid
@@davidajayi1207 oh yes, I am well aware that it is Boeing’s fault. Even without COVID, they launched the program over 10 years ago while the original clean sheet B777 was launched in 1990 and from the first prototype built in 1994 to delivery was 14 months.
Unfortunately Boeing is another engineering company that was run by people who knew nothing about engineering, hopefully with the appointment of the new boss they may see a change 🤷♂️
@@davidajayi1207ahh yes the 777x didnt even have cracks around the engine components.
"Huge" news-kinda like a huge mattress sale is an enormous occurence.
Boeing has a long way to go before they can put this era behind them. It is nice to hear some positive news for a change.
I hope 2025 is a great year for Boeing very excited for the 777X
We apparently disagree on the definition of "huge news"
I agree, this is just the same old thing. By now everyone knows Boeing can't deliver anything on time. That's why Airbus is eating them for lunch. Boeing is a joke.
Always talking so much and saying so little...
Exactly 💯
Please stop watching his videos if you and others feel this way. What an enormous waste of time to be watching if they are as you describe. Just saying...
So don't watch, and go complain somewhere else.
I’ve just started reading the description… Has the topics and I’m done before the ads are closed.
@@Thesmellofrain-h6o He literally says “…let me know what you think in the comments.” Love it or hate it, that’s what we’re doing 🤷🏻♂️
So have they redesigned the thrust link to not crack anymore?
Some broke fully through! You ever seen one? They are substantial!
@ crack or break then
Yes they have redesigned the thrust links other wise they wouldn't be carrying the test flights
@@nickolliver3021 Thanks for the info. This should have been mentioned in this video with some detail.
@@FreeDemocracy-2025 you are welcome.
after this 5 year long struggle it'll still be outperformed in capacity by the a350-1000 and the 777-8 will be outperformed in range by the a350-900ulr... oh well
I'm very glad to hear this positive news about Boeing and the FAA. Besides Boeing's unscrupulous business decisions, the problems with the 737 Max were in large part due to the FAA not doing its job by delegating responsibility of guarding the hen house to the fox. I hope the 777X gets certified sooner than later and with no more hiccups. I would also like to see the 737 Max get up to speed soon too.
This is huge news?
Yes, test flights have resumed.
@@bernardliddington2633 DJ already reported it last week
@@bernardliddington2633 They resumed 16-January. This is old news.
It’s OLD already
Great Video.
Boeing has a MAJOR PR problem which is going to be VERY DIFFICULT to turn around, as most people now say "If it's a Boeing, I ain't going". Unbelievable what GREED for PROFIT$ can do to a once great brand
The king will live for ever
This has to be the year of Boeing. 2025 will provide greater news from Boeing, God willing.
No
Ortberg seems to be the correct person to deal with the mess. But even he cannot carve talented and experienced engineers out of wood. Half a decade to replace lost experience is quite normal for a company that size.
Expect more to come. If we are unlucky, another undocumented quality escape will fall out of the sky. Even Ortberg cannot know everything.
Nice follow up on the 777X certification, minor correction the 777X is powered by the GE9X it sounded like you said GENX. Thanks for the update!
Very excited that this plane get in the air
777X is huge. That is certain!
Boeing did it to themselves, if any company doesn’t deserve trust it’s them
Airbus doesn't deserve trust either. No company can be trusted
While technically it was Boeing, there is evidence that the issues at Boeing started after the management personnel from McDonald/Douglas moved into the operational management at Boeing, bringing the ideals that ended MCD's historical run.
Hey people haven't you guys heard that A321XLR has its range reduced due to the technicals about its fuel tank located at the cargo hold of the aircraft?it's flies far because of the add on fuel tank.thus is a potential risk if something goes wrong with the aircraft 😅
@ something that was noticed and addressed, your right maybe they should have been like Boeing and ignore it and just deliver asap 🤣
I’m sure Boeing has some sound proof rooms where they can go and punch the walls and scream at FAA slowness.
Surely you cannot fault the FAA for being prudent?
Better to have a slow FAA than crashing planes, don’t you think?
Same old story 2027 will be all surprised
@@bryantickle8197 2026 actually
I saw the 777x fly yesterday on flightradar24
Boeing bashing by un-informed minds has become the new fad.
All I got to say is that Boeing better hope and pray that United States doesn’t get into a war at least the level of Vietnam. Because that would take money and resources away from the 777X. They better start learning how to produce major planes a lot quicker.
What issues has they been facing ? Coz it’s not like it’s a brand new program it’s just a revised program so ??
Despite the anti-Boeing drumbeat on this channel, I have invested real money in Boeing. I would urge the presenter to focus on facts, not wild opinions.
Literally all facts😊
We will have Boeing 777-10X in the future!
That won't happen. The 777-9 is already reaching the ceiling on wing efficiency. For a 777-10X to actually seduce custommers, Boeing need to design a new larger wing (not in span but in root chord). That's a major design change, triggering a wholeset of specific certifications and testings. This will increase the development and production cost of that variant. And to get return on investment, Boeing will have to sell like, 500 units... But due to the increased unit price, Airlines won't buy the type. Conclusion, it's a loss.
Think of it as the same fate as 767-400ER, 787-10, 747-8 and 737-400. Boeing historically designed the wing of a parts sharing type for the middle-sized variant. In the case of 777-X, the wing was designed as a compromize between the 8X and 9X. A 10X was never seriously envisionned, as, remember, Boeing was still under that atrociously cutting cost management when developping this new 777.
Take Airbus A350 for instance. Airbus doesn't have that "most economically efficient" mentality. From the start the A350-900 and A350-1000 *have different wings.* Each design perfectly fitting each variant. The A350 has much more room to grow than the 777X, let's say, an A350-1100 with -1000 wings could still perform okay, but Airbus is not dumb enough to even take the idea seriously (requires Airlines lobbying). That's how you make an A350-1000 successful, giving it a dedicated wing. Had Airbus fitted -900 wings to the 1000, the aircraft would have performed poorly. Had Airbus fitted 1000 wings on the 900, would have destroyed 900 performance due to an heavier wing. Had Airbus done like Boeing and chosen an in-between design, both 900 and 1000 would have seduced less airlines.
Manufacturer's goal is to sell, not to listen to lambda people's wishes. Boeing is no different, hence, won't go further with a 777-10X (won't do the same mistake as with 767 and 747 now that every penny counts).
From our Airline side of standpoint, an easy description is : _"Airbus is the manufacturer for rich and wealthy people. Boeing is for the poor. Both manufacturers have their fair share of custommers."_ If you have travellers that can afford it, you go Airbus. Otherwise, you're Boeing.
Even though Boeing has said it would produce a 777-10 variant if there is an interest, I can’t see it being a popular option if nothing is done to the wing design. The 787-10 suffers this conundrum. The extra seats and weight hampers range by over 1000 nm over the -9.
Yes it’s late, but when you consider what COVID did to Boeing ( and all large manufacturing industries ) its not too bad, you have to what happens to development projects when they grind to a halt, it’s not just a matter of switching the program on again.
I think airlines are correct to be concerned but some slack must be given too. strikes can be very nasty. It would be very wise to start to get some planes out ASAP to get things on track. Ty for your montage.
I wouldn't say a smooth 2025, but a better 2025 for Boeing.
Here’s a thing because it’s so behind schedule… why are the airlines waiting until they actually have the plane in their inventory to do familiarization training?
Why aren’t they doing that now with a mock up in their training facility so by the time they get the plane they already familiar with it intimately…
Because as Boeing has proven a delivery date is always changing.
Opportunity cost of the money and time spent doing "familiarization training" is huge.
Also how do you train for something for something not certified ? Things can (and should) change by the times it's certified.
Always be hopeful.2024 was really a turbulent year for Boeing.I hope that 2025 is going to be better year for this manufacturer than 2024.
superb mister
Is Airbus a perfect company with perfect products?
I’ve looked at the comments. If you’d really like. These’ll probably be Boeings next planes
1: 787-10ER
2. 777-10
3: 797
After that I can’t predict
I'd like 707 also
A twin jet of this size, with this speed and range, with this fuel consumption rate, would be a massive step forward for commercial passenger aviation. If it works, of course..
If you believe so….what’s about A350-1000 ? This plane is in commercial use since 2015 has a better range and max capacity than 777-9.
Doesn't matter if they can't build it correctly
50 year old airframe with a few updates. we all know how that turned out on a similar airframe dont we...
Will you explain how a brand new airframe is different? Most planes look much the same with the exception of the Wright Flyer.
So is the a330 a 40 year old frame.
50 years old? Where did you get that from? The first 777 had its first flight in 1994 as a clean sheet design. Hell the a330 is 2 years older than this thing and that jet was based of the a300/a310 but had the system architecture based on the a320.
Typical airbus cry fans 😂😂
Try 30 years.
777x most likely coming out late 2026 or really 2027
The engines are GE9x, not GEnx. If you’re gonna mention engine development difficulties, at least get the engine type correct 🤦♂️
Problem was a bean counter was in charge not an engineer
It is not huge news. It is just another phase in the chaotic company certification process for the plane. This plane looks it may be redundant and irrelevant before it even carries any passengers. So many issues surround Boeing I am not the only one who makes sure not to book on a flights if I find out the plane is Boeing.
Will have production issues being able to meet schedule
Old news, and not Huge. (satire)
Next problem for Boeing - retaliatory tariffs from customer countries in response to Trump's idiotic threatened tariffs. Puts the price of a 777x up considerably when compared to the competition.
Oi vai...hater😅😅😅
I think if things go really well in 2025 then mid 2026 is possible f, them familiarization flight
It will be a long long road for Boeing earning the trust of passengers! It is our lives Seattle
@@alwaleedalthani9624 they have gained many trust of passengers already
People love to eat bacon, but surely complain about the smells and messy splatters while it’s frying. I’d wager that no airline would drag its feet to grab hold of their share of 777X's once they get certified.
I hope it will go smoothly this time
Finally good news from boeing
Blablabla about the certification process...pathetic
fr
Content.
Says the one who doesn't believe the truth
14 years late maybe? Something takes that long flys directly into obsolescence
Gosh if Boeing could bring back the 727 the smoothest ride ever and miss it.
~3 minutes of repetitive historical news………. Get to the point……….. What’s new…….
Nice-ish sort of Boeing news. I cross my fingers and hope for a stress and issue free remainder of their FAA certification. I'm nervous. Any little problem will be additionally harmful to Boeing and everyone involved with this airliner.
They are paying the price of bad management.
Go for the Airbus 350 instead
The FAA and American politics have not benefitted Boeing and may be the real issue behind to slow progress.
Post some new news that's we know already
Time will tell😅
What can go wrong
Huuuuuuge news?
Why does the 777x have winglets they ain’t the same
? They are the same
@ no the 777x has winglets that go up and the original 777 doesnt
@gavinsaviation I guess the tips fold up when it's parked so it doesn't take up too much space. Which is kinda stupid.
@ fr
This is awesome mate👍. What I really can't understand is why is the a380 hasn't become a combi version. I just don't understand have you done a vlog on this? Please mate let me know 🇦🇺
Its 4 engines guzzle fuel. Everyone wants to cut down fuel use and lower costs.
Ask Airlines that actually operated combi aircraft.
Here is their operational experience :
Combi has one part of the plane for passengers, and another part for cargo. When you only have one or two aircraft as a small airline, or on a small section of your network, you easily fill both compartments.
When your airline grow, you try to secure regular flight on routes with high demand, to have a trustful response to travelers and cargo shipping expectations, you buy/position new planes on those routes.
However, with combi aircraft, you are faced with a dilema : your aircraft is not big enough to consistently satisfy demand *in passenger AND cargo PER FLIGHT,* and not small enough to not fly empty on some months along the year.
*Best course of action is to separate cargo operations from passenger.* You then have another problem : you usually can't afford two aircraft. Solution is to have smaller less costly aircraft (That's why the 777-F and converted 767s are better than 747). On top of that, no major airline owns their entire fleet. Usually, half or even more are leased. Leasing is well established, as it considerably eases fleet management : renegociate for bigger aircraft in exchange of smaller ones when you need it, and vice versa. Add another unit on those routes for 3 months... as easy as that.
Conclusion : large airlines don't need combi. How many small airlines can afford A380 ?
=> Airbus has no benefits proposing a variant that won't sell.
Jabber jabber jabber, get to the point!
How have they not been class-actioned yet? The original delivery dates for their first planes was back 2020. Expected delivery for their first usable one is now 2026. It's staggering to me that they can tell everyone we may show up 6 years late give or take, and all anyone is willing to do is grumble about it. Are the contracts really that air-tight? Maybe the scale and type of transaction is just too far outside my realm of understanding?
Airlines bounced back faster than the aircraft manufacturers. Airbus finally caught up with its backorder problem last year. Boeing's other challenges have made it more difficult. But ... don't count them out. Airlines are still looking to use dependable, easier to maintain, and more cost-efficient to operate aircraft.
Every contract has clauses on what happens in case of delays. Mostly it’s financial compensations. So for airlines that already has orders 10 years ago the plane gets cheaper and cheaper with every delay. And for Boeing it means that they will loose money on the first few hundred airplanes delivered.
Thanks Dj!!
Hopefully they don’t have any engines fall off.
Jeez can the FAA just get it over with it and approved the 777x already
As soon as all required tests are passed
Boeing seems to be like the usa - irretrievably broken.
This is why it will be a much, much better and bigger safer airplane than the A350.
Safer than the A350....what do you mean? How many safety issues got the A350? In Japan, despite the collision with another plane, no dead people
...lol
@@patrickpeters2903They are both safe
You say this as if the A350 was unsafe
@ I never said that the a350 is unsafe
I hope they are at the same level
Don’t understand why any Airline would consider this technically dubious aircraft, besides being oversized for most Global airlines.
We aren’t getting the 777X ever
You spent nearly four minutes bashing Boeing (who among us doesn’t at this point understand the self-inflicted turmoil Boeng has weathered) before finally getting to the “HUGE” news that certification flights had been restarted. Of course that good news couldn’t stand alone without a little more bashing - this time about speculation that EIS by airlines “could” slip into 2027. The doom and gloom is getting boring. 🥱 Would love to see a more positive piece on the cultural changes Boeing have made, and the progress they’re making, vs constantly being clubbed over the head by the shortcomings of their recent past performance. Otherwise, I love your channel. Keep up the good work 👍🏼