[Table of Contents] 00:00 Overview 00:53 How do I get these weapons? 01:20 Where do I get these weapons? 02:30 What makes these weapons special? 04:15 Weapon Review Metrics 05:08 Nightmare Zone Sound Test 07:00 Echo-S1 Revolver 12:57 Echo-S2 Rifle 17:27 Echo-S3 Shotgun 24:15 Echo-S4 SMG 28:46 Echo-S6 Pistol 34:10 Echo-S7 Assault Rifle 39:08 Tier List
The only gun that you could consider silent is one of those ww2 suppressed pistols that were used in Europe for undercover assassinations, Welrod i think they are called and it's only for the first 5 shots.
@@lazarnephz4952 Wasn't the welrod a single shot pistol then you had to reload it? If memory serves correctly it was for undercover/behind enemy lines operators.
Yeah, the Echo-S1 is likely the singularly most effective weapon at grinding up Shooting on anyone without Weapon Handling for long trips out, and until the damage values vs. Juggernauts get corrected, one of the more decent weapons to hunt them with, not having to worry about jamming, using most efficient ammo type and being suitable for clearing trash.
@@VAULT-TEC_INC. On dread ammo slots aren't an issue but maybe on nightmare. And the number of shots is fine on a red talon recruit because of gunslinger. Even on nightmare the penetration from the shooting perks for red talon make up for it being a .22
I think you are making the most technical vids on this game anywhere. Very impressive! I had similar feelings on these guns, love that .22 revo. I think they would all be more effective with sharpshooting for the penetration up close, and nearly eliminating the sway problem.
Penetration is mainly useful on close combat weapons where stealth isn't as reliable. The accurate weapons can dispatch zombies from afar pretty safely.
As a big fan of the revolvers in general, I was glad to see the Echo-S1 perform so well. It really surprised me that the caliber of the ammo didn't make any difference at all when bringing down a juggernaut. .22 for the win! I was hoping you would compare the Echo-S4 to the MP5SD that Cash Beaumont offers. I wonder if they are exactly the same. Regardless, thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was very informative.
@@GitGudFox As a condition for you to use that gun. That is about it from what I see. Now the crossbow being a thing, it makes gunpowder weapons worthless the moment you get any type of the crossbow that isn't Hunting or Sniper crossbow. It one shot zed in the head, completely silent, recoverable ammo, building materials are plentiful, and holy shit how in the goddamn it can down Juggy within 20-30 shots? Repeater crossbow eats Juggy alive and you recover like 50% of the ammo you used on it. I don't use gunpowder weapons anymore. Those are exclusive for the AIs since they don't use up any ammo. Crossbow is a good addition to the game but it renders other weapons irrelevant. While I hate the independence day weapon pack, it does something different from any other firearms so I'm ok with it (just not with how powerful it is, decimate an entire hoard with little to no effort) It baffled me why UL focusing on the wrong spot of the game. I wouldn't hate more weapons but when it all does the same thing, then the only difference they have is the skin, not the functionality. I want more variety of weapon that do thing differently and serve their purpose while not overlapping or make the other irrelevant. I'm having a bad taste in my mouth the more I see UL keep releasing a new weapon pack. Please for Buddha's sake don't turn this game into Payday 2. It already pains me to see that the original team has left and the new team focusing on a thing that isn't the main strength of the game.
Rvid did a video compare gun calibers to kill juggies and plague hearts. Needless to say 7.62 takes the less shot but at the same time the least efficient. Use .357 magnum, it's most efficient and only cost slightly higher than .45 ACP.
The Echo3 Shotgun has been an absolute MVP in my lethal runs, especially for survivors that havent been levelled up yet. Being able to mow down waves of zeds without causing a lot of noise has been amazing. Also, it is very good at defending against blood ferals.
21:10 or thereabouts: sharpshooting would give more impact from each shot, or gunslinging for the reload? Seems a useful backup weapon for a stealth sniper, perhaps. Edit: all covered around 24:00 👍🙏
Hey Fox, very well put together video. Long time watcher but I don't really comment! Just wish these weapons were readily available in the main game rather than what they're giving us.
It's pretty annoying how they don't have the infrastructure in the game to allow you to actually use these guns without needing another player to transfer them over.
As a former Analyst (people actually paid me to analyze data...yea!) I say BRAVO!!!! A most outstanding, informative, and thorough video. Thanks for all of your hard work it shows in the finished product. I really like the S-4 for all of the reasons you stated. I like the information about caliber not mattering against a juggernaut (.50 Cal excluded). I came to this same conclusion as well and noticed this in play in one of your recent "Nightmare" videos. You used an "Eternal Guards Infinite Rage" to take down two juggernauts. It took approximately 80 7.62 rounds.
@@johnlove3505 I haven't counted melee yet but something to try out. The big differences here are difficulty. Fox tests on standard but plays on nightmare. I play/test in the middle on dred so we will have to collaborate.
I was worried the video would get too heavy, but the more I tested, the more parameters I came up with. The video was not recorded in a step 1, step 2, step 3, manner. I originally just went out to shoot some zombies, but the more I played, the more testing parameters I could think of, and the more limitations to the weapons arose, the more testing parameters became necessary to analyze. It became a bit like whack 'a mole. Questions kept arising, and I kept having to decide whether to test and address the problems or exclude them from the video.
It probably doesn't matter if it's automatic/burst. Any gun that can hit the juggernaut the required number of times will probably kill it at the same speed.
@@jb-kp8go on that map I personally like the church it I have red talon bunkroom so 5 beds and my character has a perk plus 2 beds with 7 members red talon workshop infirmary trade Depot and hydroponics I believe that's it for me anyway I'm on a different map now
Fox i am officially proud of myself, got the container fort, loaded it up and well i have 8 members, with three spare beds, they only eat 6.4 food, i make a profit of 7.6 food a day
I obtained these through the bounty broker and didn't consider that the integrated suppressor meant the amount of wear on the weapon would be less than weapons that a suppressor was added via a mod. I'm new so I have a great deal to learn, but each video gives me a greater appreciation to pay attention more to the fine details and experiment on my own.
Man I wish 1st person view was a thing in this game or even a metal gear aiming would be good to just for those damm iron sights. It would be beautiful to see this game in a first person view tho maybe even scarier.
Thanks for putting the effort into making this extremely informative video. I searched your channel in hopes of finding this specific video. Echo weapons have become my favorite recently and while I have been very successful in using all of these weapons, (yes even the S6) this video brings out alot more clarification on their full capabilities. So again, thank you.
If Trash Beaumont was selling these Echo Guns, maybe only in Dread/Nightmare mode, he might get a warmer reception... UL can already program him to sell specific sets like WW2 at the moment, so they have no reason to say they can't outside of "You need Daybreak" or "Higher-Ups won't allow it".
Wait where is the test against hostile survivor's... looks like you got more work to do lol... Your spot on with the ranking of them though there's only 2 that I would even bother taking into my nightmare community the Echo S4 SMG & the Echo S1 Revolver & the SMG has been pretty much negated by the SMG they included in the Bounty Broker Update... It's actually hilarious to know that the reason UL keeps giving us so many weapon updates is because there are gun enthusiast's amongst there rank's & they don't do a good job at differentiating the caliber's & the stopping power they should actually have. Good vid thou man I enjoyed it the minutiae remark had me dying at the end!!
The main thing I learned from this video is that bullets probably don't matter... why were they even included in the game to begin with? And why is UL making a fuss about ammo types when none of the ammo types appear to matter?
@@GitGudFox One of my best friends was a Marine during the capture of Baghdad. His biggest pet peeve was when using a rifle with a 2.23 round was that it usually took three shots to bring an enemy down. A 5.56 round however, would do the same job in one to two rounds.
I loved the tier list and more importantly you showing your skills with Adobe Premier like the King 🦊 you are. Amazing analysis of the guns but sadly requiring you having to ask a friend to help move them to a base game save takes away all the pizzazz 😞
Great vid Fox, also I have a theory on something idk if it’s a glitch mechanism with jugg but I’ve noticed that the jugg goes down faster when hitting him directly at his back, I think it’s a weak spot maybe. I’ve tried this with melee weapons and he seems to stagger faster and dies quickly, I’ve also noticed in this vid you shot him with the revolver directly at his back and he instantly staggered. It’s interesting I wonder if that’s why it takes that many bullets at the front to kill him cause it’s like a front shield and the weaker part could be his back maybe
Thank you! This video took a ton of time to create. During the time of this video's upload, shooting a juggernaut in the head didn't do anything different. They would die from the same amount of shots regardless UNTIL Undead Labs eventually patched this.
Recently did some testing on Dread Plague Juggernauts, and sadly some of the testing here is *slightly* flawed for one singular reason: effective range can aggressively affect your total required shots. But what's weirder is that, apparently according to Undead Brian, a bug might have slipped in that's not only causing headshots to not amplify damage (making gut shots just as effective,) but ranged weapon impact not functioning as intended, making everything short of heavy ordinance (.50cal, explosives) just as effective as any other caliber (.22 being just as effective as 7.62, etc.)
Git Gud Fox That’s what puts you a side in my opinion from other SOD2 You tubers you put hard work and time into your video unlike others who just pop out videos just looking for views. Also congrats on 7.6k.
I agree with you on almost every part, very well done! The only thing to mention is about the shotgun. I use it in nightmare mode against ferals and esp. feral hordes when my used Char is not a gunslinger. You know I'm bad at meeleeing ferals so I take the shotgun with me in the trunk of the car. So I can kill them fast and the noise is quiet enough to battle the attracted zed without having to flee. That thing on the Juggernauts is very annoying, but now with the Juggernaut update they patched up on that so it would be very interesting what the calibers are doing now. :-)
From what i can tell the power stat only affects the amount of shots it takes to kill a plauge heart, and that if you miss and stun ferals it gurantees the headshot, basically its stopping power as in stun power
That's the conclusion I came too myself. Seems like simple rapid fire 0.22 and 9mm weapons are perfectly good against juggs. It's telling since there are all these essentially redundant ammo types in the game that don't mean anything.
GGF? I'm not sure when you did the video. But Echo-1 Revolver is not the only Silenced Revolver...there is also the World War 2 Pack's OSS Silent Night as well. Maybe this pack wasn't out then I can't remember. But just a friendly heads up for those who don't know about it. OSS is my favorite Revolver because it's a Silent one.
@@GitGudFox yep. Kills PlqHearts/ hordes/Ferals/infestation clear. Tho med. Range is dangerous AF To engage Hostile communitys on nitemare. Be careful eh
That's good. It means my efforts weren't wasted. This video probably took more effort than any other analysis video. Some data isn't as relevant today as the damage versus juggernauts was altered when Undead Labs buffed the Juggernauts. They also upped the Echo Shotgun's capacity to like 7 or 8. The Echo Shotgun is actually pretty good now. It's especially good in Nightmare Zone where the ferals can still be slain with a single headshot.
I think you did a solid job on the breakdown of these weapons. How ever I would like to throw my 2¢ in and say automatic firing is best paired with a survivor with Assault (EchoS7/S4). The revolver (EchoS1) with gunslinging, and sharpshooting with (EchoS2/S4). The S4 seems the most balanced of all the Echo weapons, and sadly the shotty (ES3).....just no, which is heartbreaking because I love me some shotties.
It might seem like that but assault just kind of stinks for everything except the ammo carrying bonus. That's the only reason I'll use assault. Sharpshooting on the other hand? It's really only good with shotguns because it causes all of the pellets to penetrate zombies allowing the buckshot to pass through multiple zombies. But even then, being able to reload faster / auto lock onto people's heads is going to be the best skill because you don't need automatic fire. You need rapid headshots because only headshots matter against the zombies.
Even worse is that the damage system appears largely fluff based considering weapon ammo types don't appear to matter. UL makes a big fuss about ammo types, and most of them are irrelevant.
@@GitGudFox very critical insight. As far as your analysis goes, quiteness, scope and reload times are most relevant. To an extent weapon damage. Ammo and gun type are irrelevant isnt it. Unless it is a 50 cal of course, with has limited use.
@@GitGudFox yes it might not even happen but i really believe that this game has so much potential and I'm excited for that to actually happen in the distant future. Let's hope for the best. I'll always support undead labs
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There are no instructions yet it's being released in November but you can buy in early out the website this is our Land just Google it. It's got a huge learning curve when you're gonna be start lot as you learn things you didn't know CK generations is UA-camr to has made a lot of how to and demonstration videos for the green check him out to see what the game looks like I'm addicted 7 played this game since I got it. And there aren't too many UA-cam is playing this game. Love to see you try it even if it's just a first time trying game I love your style
Kinda sad to see the shotgun so low. Was thinking of using it on my sharpshooter guy for nightmare as an alternative to riling up everything in ear shot with the Devgru X12.
@@GitGudFox yes and no it's a silent shotgun so it wins vs all others why use a shotgun that attracts more zombies when you can use this to kill a few. I actually had a friend grab it for me fory main game and it is so good especially on nightmare or other difficulty when you have a lot of 12g rounds
It'd be awesome if you did a video like this for the CLEO weapons offered by Daybreak! There's a lot of debate as to if there's any actual advantage to them over the default weapons in game.
The SMG is basically the best weapon in the game IMO. I like others better but, that thing has never let me down. I still have a ton from the Trumball pack last year on a few characters and my Farm save. The Blackout from the recent bounty pack is amazing as well, 20 round 7.62 laser gun.
I finally got this game last week, and while I'm loving it my main issue is how quickly weapons breakdown. I could understand it with some weapons, especially improvised ones, say a kitchen knife or baseball bat, but crowbars, axes and such should last much longer than they do. Firearms breakdown is insane, I had an autoshottie, and a 10/22 that each went from brand new to completely destroyed after only about two mags, and needs double as many parts to repair as a vehicle repair kit. Maybe they should add some sort of "weapon maintenance," which would be very low cost, but if used fairly regularly, after saw after a few mags, would greatly extend the life of the weapon.
@@GitGudFox Yeah, but only getting two mags out of it seems a bit crazy. Especially when it's early game and my characters aren't leveled enough to be able to change the selector to semi automatic (strange thing to lock behind a skill)
Yeah that really is the issue with the echo s3 shotgun, it has potential to be the GREATEST SHOTGUN EVER, but it’s hampered by its magazine size and range. Although for me, the issue with using it in close combat for is is fire rate. I always felt like the fire rate made the gun a little clunky. But a magazine size increase and a little range buff would be nice. I love some tightness in my shotguns!
Well, it's the pump action shotgun similar to the common model 870. If it had a tighter spread, you could "snipe" with it a bit more, and if it had more than... 4 shells, it'd be more sustainable.
Git Gud Fox yeah. But if the echo guns are literally designed to kill zombies....why would the clip be so small? Hell, It’s the only shotgun I use in nightmare cause...well you use one without scentblock and you might as well be screaming,”KIIIILLLLL MEEEE!” But that’s why I’m not a big fan of that freaking go pack....no suppressed shotgun make Jackie angry.
Git Gud Fox yeah they already messed up with standard mode. Plus, it’s better to have something that stands out rather than a bunch of medicore garbage.
The thing that bothers me is that all the weapons' ammo types are basically the same. UL makes this fuss about ammo types, but none of the ammo types matter except for the really exotic ammo like 0.50 caliber and pyrolauncher munitions.
Just to update, the Bounty Broker has all the weapons from this video in the Trumbell Valley Section in the standard game. So you don't need to worry about transferring from friends and such out of Heartland...though you will still need to use influence and unlock them by completing their bounties in the standard game.
You said the X-36C was better than the Echo-S7 stats wise at the 34:30 mark. That's a mistake as your video shows that it isn't. Recheck your video as it's got more red stats than the Echo.
"There is a chance they might steal your weapons" Dude, I never even think of this since I always ask my brother for stuff like this. Dang, yeah, gotta be tough not having a brother you can rely on or who's not into games for this kinda stuff.
I usually find a spot to snipe when me friends and I find a infestation or horde and let my friends do the leg work while I take out the bigger dangers love the echo sniper
Honestly, SMGs are kings in a zombie apocalypse. Lighter, easier to handle, less noisy, easier to craft ammo. Full length battle rifles with higher power only matter to overpower human npc with their dmg on the headshot. Shotguns, revolvers and etc are just cute due to low ammo in magazines.
The most powerful ranged weapons are fire based weapons and crossbows for general combat. Crossbows can reuse their ammo. Fire can destroy humongous quantities of zombies for the cost of a single incendiary. It's why the Pyrolauncher is the ultimate weapon.
Kinda wish for a DLC called operation echo,where only echo weapons are able to be used,goal is to take out plague hearts and a large private army of raiders,echo soldiers with custom uniforms are the only people available
If there was an organization using exclusively Echo weapons, I'd suspect that they'd be some kind of PMC outfit being hired by the government or some kind of research institute. All of the Echo series weapons were developed by some kind of mysterious zombie research institute.
I believe the Echo S6 Pistol is modeled after the Silencerco Maxim 9, because they are the same weapons and that it’s the only handgun in real life to have a integrated suppressor. Look it up and see what I mean.
The fact you was sitting there shooting a door when someone asked for help was funny. Like the exchange went "Hey need some help." Can't busy. "With what?" a huge trouble we have I am taking care of. "Oh gods is it an invasion?" No this door just looked at me side eyed and I have to teach it a lesson. "I. what?" Ya I all ready put 6 clips into it but it's will is too strong.
Another thing they need to give us in State Decay 3 is inventory and backpack management so that we're able to put things in storage areas as we need them and pockets and maybe have bigger backpacks say 10 or 12 slots plus a slot for rucksacks.
It wouldn't be as hard as you'd imagine. Would would happen is that I'd run out of ammo because it would make dozens and dozens of zombies appear. After I run out of ammo, it would be quiet and business as usual again.
The only way to obtain it is through doing mysterious quests until you get it. I guess you could also obtain it from another player if they give it to you.
Yeah, that greatly improved it. It's actually really good in Nightmare Zone where it is very useful for killing ferals since the buckshot makes scoring headshots easy while still be very quiet by shotgun standards.
Why not just make a second account, like is done in the game World of Warcraft to get extra bank space for free, I had at least 10 accounts, to store all my gear.
Supposedly, they also made his face take more damage as you blast his face away, so aiming for the head is more valuable. Thing is the way you should really kill juggernauts is with bouncing borises because a direct hit will blow them up in 1 grenade.
I've always hated silencers (technically suppressors) reducing the range and power of weapons in games, because in reality, their effect on range and power is so minuscule, it's basically nonexistent. EDIT: I also hate iron sights on AR pattern rifles. I can't wait to put a red dot on my M&P-15.
I know I'm extremely late lol. I just started Heartland and I got every weapon from the military places, except the revolver. I have no more to loot. Does anyone know if we are guaranteed to get every weapon on one playthrough?
@@GitGudFox do you have any idea what I should do to find it? I have cleared everything and checked three times. I've gotten multiple duplicates of every weapon. Just not the revolver.
@@GitGudFox Bro, in a patch stream they said that there was a guy that tested somes guns against juggernaunts and each gun take the same amount of bullets to kill him. Is there another crazy man that can make a video like this? xD ill find that streaming and bring it to you :D
2-round burst on the Echo SMG would be great for taking out Blood Ferals in Heartland, and possibly, armored zombies (since you can pop the helmet off if you shoot them enough times/with enough force).
[Table of Contents]
00:00 Overview
00:53 How do I get these weapons?
01:20 Where do I get these weapons?
02:30 What makes these weapons special?
04:15 Weapon Review Metrics
05:08 Nightmare Zone Sound Test
07:00 Echo-S1 Revolver
12:57 Echo-S2 Rifle
17:27 Echo-S3 Shotgun
24:15 Echo-S4 SMG
28:46 Echo-S6 Pistol
34:10 Echo-S7 Assault Rifle
39:08 Tier List
Great work I love in depth reviews like this thanks for the hard work
“Having a silencer equipped does not mean, completely silent.”
A lot of folks in real life need to learn that 😂
It's even more true in Lethal Zone. Silenced weapons are still... uncomfortably loud in LZ.
@@GitGudFox suppressors are pretty load irl but does make guns fire significantly more quieter
The only gun that you could consider silent is one of those ww2 suppressed pistols that were used in Europe for undercover assassinations, Welrod i think they are called and it's only for the first 5 shots.
@@lazarnephz4952 Wasn't the welrod a single shot pistol then you had to reload it? If memory serves correctly it was for undercover/behind enemy lines operators.
@@HanabusaAidol It was magazine fed, though it could only fire one shot at a time since it was bolt action.
I really dig the color scheme of ECHO weapons.
They have that sandy beige color that distinguishes them.
You did it! You crazy guy, you ACTUALLY did it! Kudos, certain to enjoy. Well done!
Had to take a whole day off of recording to finish it, but it's done.
The revolver is pretty op on a red talon recruit. It has literally no weaknesses and every strength.
It's pretty good on anyone with Gunslinging.
Yeah, the Echo-S1 is likely the singularly most effective weapon at grinding up Shooting on anyone without Weapon Handling for long trips out, and until the damage values vs. Juggernauts get corrected, one of the more decent weapons to hunt them with, not having to worry about jamming, using most efficient ammo type and being suitable for clearing trash.
Except for the terrible number of shots and how many slots you need to take up with ammo.
@@VAULT-TEC_INC. On dread ammo slots aren't an issue but maybe on nightmare. And the number of shots is fine on a red talon recruit because of gunslinger. Even on nightmare the penetration from the shooting perks for red talon make up for it being a .22
You keep me intrigued that's why I watch till the end on every episode
I learned a lot from this episode.
I think you are making the most technical vids on this game anywhere. Very impressive!
I had similar feelings on these guns, love that .22 revo. I think they would all be more effective with sharpshooting for the penetration up close, and nearly eliminating the sway problem.
Penetration is mainly useful on close combat weapons where stealth isn't as reliable. The accurate weapons can dispatch zombies from afar pretty safely.
As a big fan of the revolvers in general, I was glad to see the Echo-S1 perform so well. It really surprised me that the caliber of the ammo didn't make any difference at all when bringing down a juggernaut. .22 for the win! I was hoping you would compare the Echo-S4 to the MP5SD that Cash Beaumont offers. I wonder if they are exactly the same. Regardless, thank you for taking the time to make this video. It was very informative.
It's also an indicator of a bad damage system. What's the point of all these ammo types?
@@GitGudFox As a condition for you to use that gun. That is about it from what I see. Now the crossbow being a thing, it makes gunpowder weapons worthless the moment you get any type of the crossbow that isn't Hunting or Sniper crossbow. It one shot zed in the head, completely silent, recoverable ammo, building materials are plentiful, and holy shit how in the goddamn it can down Juggy within 20-30 shots? Repeater crossbow eats Juggy alive and you recover like 50% of the ammo you used on it. I don't use gunpowder weapons anymore. Those are exclusive for the AIs since they don't use up any ammo.
Crossbow is a good addition to the game but it renders other weapons irrelevant. While I hate the independence day weapon pack, it does something different from any other firearms so I'm ok with it (just not with how powerful it is, decimate an entire hoard with little to no effort)
It baffled me why UL focusing on the wrong spot of the game. I wouldn't hate more weapons but when it all does the same thing, then the only difference they have is the skin, not the functionality. I want more variety of weapon that do thing differently and serve their purpose while not overlapping or make the other irrelevant.
I'm having a bad taste in my mouth the more I see UL keep releasing a new weapon pack. Please for Buddha's sake don't turn this game into Payday 2. It already pains me to see that the original team has left and the new team focusing on a thing that isn't the main strength of the game.
@@GitGudFox i know this video is old but i think that 22 cant knock the helmets off of army zombies
Rvid did a video compare gun calibers to kill juggies and plague hearts. Needless to say 7.62 takes the less shot but at the same time the least efficient. Use .357 magnum, it's most efficient and only cost slightly higher than .45 ACP.
Great video Fox. I know it took a while, but well worth it. 👏🏼
God, this video was a nightmare.
Me : laughing maniacally because blood Ferals are now in base game in lethal zone
Luckily he’s a better shot
Triple pack charging your way in lethal
The Echo3 Shotgun has been an absolute MVP in my lethal runs, especially for survivors that havent been levelled up yet. Being able to mow down waves of zeds without causing a lot of noise has been amazing. Also, it is very good at defending against blood ferals.
True. It's by far the best gun of the Echo series. Fox doesn't know what he's talking about.
Thank you for all the work. This was full of information, and I was surprised by some of the findings. I really enjoy your content Fox.
So was I. The juggernaut tests were the most interesting for me to do.
Good review. I fully agree with your conclusion.
Thanks for watching! It was a pretty long video!
Thank you for making your videos even though it takes a long time. They are very entertaining!😊
This one was exhausting to make.
i've been looking forward to this
Hopefully it lives up to expectation.
Most in depth gun review I’ve watched. Great to see a creator to take so much time and cover the topic in its entirety
21:10 or thereabouts: sharpshooting would give more impact from each shot, or gunslinging for the reload?
Seems a useful backup weapon for a stealth sniper, perhaps.
Edit: all covered around 24:00 👍🙏
This is one hell of a video in depth and still entertaining thanks man forever a fan man
It was a pain to produce!
You should have lots more subs. The level of detail in this weapon overview is amazing. Keep it up :-)
Well, there's only so many people interested in watching SoD2 stuff.
Hopefully the game will grow and therefore your sub count :-)
Hey Fox, very well put together video.
Long time watcher but I don't really comment!
Just wish these weapons were readily available in the main game rather than what they're giving us.
It's pretty annoying how they don't have the infrastructure in the game to allow you to actually use these guns without needing another player to transfer them over.
@@GitGudFox well trumbull valley pack does that but need to do bounties to get them
As a former Analyst (people actually paid me to analyze data...yea!) I say BRAVO!!!! A most outstanding, informative, and thorough video. Thanks for all of your hard work it shows in the finished product. I really like the S-4 for all of the reasons you stated. I like the information about caliber not mattering against a juggernaut (.50 Cal excluded). I came to this same conclusion as well and noticed this in play in one of your recent "Nightmare" videos. You used an "Eternal Guards Infinite Rage" to take down two juggernauts. It took approximately 80 7.62 rounds.
It might be interesting to see if a Juggernaut also takes ~35 hits with a melee weapon to go down.
@@johnlove3505 I haven't counted melee yet but something to try out. The big differences here are difficulty. Fox tests on standard but plays on nightmare. I play/test in the middle on dred so we will have to collaborate.
I was worried the video would get too heavy, but the more I tested, the more parameters I came up with. The video was not recorded in a step 1, step 2, step 3, manner. I originally just went out to shoot some zombies, but the more I played, the more testing parameters I could think of, and the more limitations to the weapons arose, the more testing parameters became necessary to analyze.
It became a bit like whack 'a mole. Questions kept arising, and I kept having to decide whether to test and address the problems or exclude them from the video.
@@GitGudFox I would love to see a video on which firearm, other than a BFG, takes out a Juggernaut in nightmare the fastest (scent block allowed)
It probably doesn't matter if it's automatic/burst. Any gun that can hit the juggernaut the required number of times will probably kill it at the same speed.
Hello from Brasil man. You spend a lot of time and hard work to make such incredible video like this, and It was great!!! Amazing work. Thank you.
Hey, thanks from all the way over in the USA. Nice avatar by the way!
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I recently moved in to the container fort for the first time in a 8man base!
That's one of my favorite bases.
Yep so far its my favorite to
@@jb-kp8go on that map I personally like the church it I have red talon bunkroom so 5 beds and my character has a perk plus 2 beds with 7 members red talon workshop infirmary trade Depot and hydroponics I believe that's it for me anyway I'm on a different map now
YES we can finally get the State of Decay 1 Videos!!!!!
That's true. I said I'd start with SoD1 after this.
@@GitGudFox 1st challenge. Save and level up every survivor to the max while keeping them all alive.
Fox i am officially proud of myself, got the container fort, loaded it up and well i have 8 members, with three spare beds, they only eat 6.4 food, i make a profit of 7.6 food a day
That's one of my favorite bases. It's one of the most enjoyable to customize because of all the bonus features.
Which map is this on
I obtained these through the bounty broker and didn't consider that the integrated suppressor meant the amount of wear on the weapon would be less than weapons that a suppressor was added via a mod.
I'm new so I have a great deal to learn, but each video gives me a greater appreciation to pay attention more to the fine details and experiment on my own.
I have a silenceed revolver from broker bounties that shoots 44
Man I wish 1st person view was a thing in this game or even a metal gear aiming would be good to just for those damm iron sights. It would be beautiful to see this game in a first person view tho maybe even scarier.
Thanks for putting the effort into making this extremely informative video. I searched your channel in hopes of finding this specific video.
Echo weapons have become my favorite recently and while I have been very successful in using all of these weapons, (yes even the S6) this video brings out alot more clarification on their full capabilities. So again, thank you.
Yeah, this episode took forever to make.
Great video! Top notch and informative as usual 👍👍
This video was a HUGE pain to make. It was my nemesis for a long time.
If Trash Beaumont was selling these Echo Guns, maybe only in Dread/Nightmare mode, he might get a warmer reception...
UL can already program him to sell specific sets like WW2 at the moment, so they have no reason to say they can't outside of "You need Daybreak" or "Higher-Ups won't allow it".
Bounties for echo weapons is something I'd gladly do.
@Git Gud Fox Can non-owners of the DLC come into one’s game session?
I don't think so.
Wait where is the test against hostile survivor's... looks like you got more work to do lol... Your spot on with the ranking of them though there's only 2 that I would even bother taking into my nightmare community the Echo S4 SMG & the Echo S1 Revolver & the SMG has been pretty much negated by the SMG they included in the Bounty Broker Update... It's actually hilarious to know that the reason UL keeps giving us so many weapon updates is because there are gun enthusiast's amongst there rank's & they don't do a good job at differentiating the caliber's & the stopping power they should actually have. Good vid thou man I enjoyed it the minutiae remark had me dying at the end!!
It would kill all hostile survivors in 1 shot, so it was excluded from the test.
The main thing I learned from this video is that bullets probably don't matter... why were they even included in the game to begin with? And why is UL making a fuss about ammo types when none of the ammo types appear to matter?
I don't know about that now. There are demonstrations of stopping power between various ammunition types and gun strengths.
@@GitGudFox One of my best friends was a Marine during the capture of Baghdad. His biggest pet peeve was when using a rifle with a 2.23 round was that it usually took three shots to bring an enemy down. A 5.56 round however, would do the same job in one to two rounds.
Love the comment at the end! You are the most hilarious sod2 UA-camr I've ever watched!
I loved the tier list and more importantly you showing your skills with Adobe Premier like the King 🦊 you are. Amazing analysis of the guns but sadly requiring you having to ask a friend to help move them to a base game save takes away all the pizzazz 😞
Without a friend (or some whacky mods) those guns are unfortunately stuck in Heartland. It's such a stupid design.
@@GitGudFox I absolutely concur
Great vid Fox, also I have a theory on something idk if it’s a glitch mechanism with jugg but I’ve noticed that the jugg goes down faster when hitting him directly at his back, I think it’s a weak spot maybe. I’ve tried this with melee weapons and he seems to stagger faster and dies quickly, I’ve also noticed in this vid you shot him with the revolver directly at his back and he instantly staggered. It’s interesting I wonder if that’s why it takes that many bullets at the front to kill him cause it’s like a front shield and the weaker part could be his back maybe
I haven't really tried it. Normally I just shoot when the opportunity presents itself.
Thanks for making this video it was super informative you gave me as a subscriber that's for sure
Thank you! This video took a ton of time to create. During the time of this video's upload, shooting a juggernaut in the head didn't do anything different. They would die from the same amount of shots regardless UNTIL Undead Labs eventually patched this.
Recently did some testing on Dread Plague Juggernauts, and sadly some of the testing here is *slightly* flawed for one singular reason: effective range can aggressively affect your total required shots. But what's weirder is that, apparently according to Undead Brian, a bug might have slipped in that's not only causing headshots to not amplify damage (making gut shots just as effective,) but ranged weapon impact not functioning as intended, making everything short of heavy ordinance (.50cal, explosives) just as effective as any other caliber (.22 being just as effective as 7.62, etc.)
well now in main game lol just started playing this game this week and loving it
You can get them from the bounty broker btw
But only when they're in season.
You know UL actually modeled one of the ECHO weapons after an integrally silenced pistol in real life.
I don't know anything about guns.
Yeah the s6 pistol is very similar to the silencer co intentionally suppressed maxim 9 pistols
Edit:integrally
@@GitGudFox Integrated suppressors are just suppressors built into guns that you can’t remove. The best example I can think of is the MP5SD
Finely thanks Fox!
It took a pretty long time to make this video.
Git Gud Fox That’s what puts you a side in my opinion from other SOD2 You tubers you put hard work and time into your video unlike others who just pop out videos just looking for views. Also congrats on 7.6k.
I agree with you on almost every part, very well done! The only thing to mention is about the shotgun. I use it in nightmare mode against ferals and esp. feral hordes when my used Char is not a gunslinger. You know I'm bad at meeleeing ferals so I take the shotgun with me in the trunk of the car. So I can kill them fast and the noise is quiet enough to battle the attracted zed without having to flee. That thing on the Juggernauts is very annoying, but now with the Juggernaut update they patched up on that so it would be very interesting what the calibers are doing now. :-)
From what i can tell the power stat only affects the amount of shots it takes to kill a plauge heart, and that if you miss and stun ferals it gurantees the headshot, basically its stopping power as in stun power
That's the conclusion I came too myself. Seems like simple rapid fire 0.22 and 9mm weapons are perfectly good against juggs. It's telling since there are all these essentially redundant ammo types in the game that don't mean anything.
GGF? I'm not sure when you did the video. But Echo-1 Revolver is not the only Silenced Revolver...there is also the World War 2 Pack's OSS Silent Night as well. Maybe this pack wasn't out then I can't remember. But just a friendly heads up for those who don't know about it. OSS is my favorite Revolver because it's a Silent one.
That weapon was added much later deeper into the Bounty Broker system which didn't even exist yet.
This begs the question, which weapons pack from all the dlc's is the best ?
Independence, it has the pyrolauncher.
@@GitGudFox yep. Kills PlqHearts/ hordes/Ferals/infestation clear. Tho med. Range is dangerous AF To engage Hostile communitys on nitemare. Be careful eh
Me and my friend have a system when one of us beats the game (before final mission) we empty our entire storage and give it to the other person
That's a good way to stock up on stuff.
Same
I have no regret watching this whole video without using timestamps
That's good. It means my efforts weren't wasted. This video probably took more effort than any other analysis video.
Some data isn't as relevant today as the damage versus juggernauts was altered when Undead Labs buffed the Juggernauts. They also upped the Echo Shotgun's capacity to like 7 or 8.
The Echo Shotgun is actually pretty good now. It's especially good in Nightmare Zone where the ferals can still be slain with a single headshot.
Excellent analysis 🧐
This video took a lot of effort to produce!
I think you did a solid job on the breakdown of these weapons. How ever I would like to throw my 2¢ in and say automatic firing is best paired with a survivor with Assault (EchoS7/S4). The revolver (EchoS1) with gunslinging, and sharpshooting with (EchoS2/S4). The S4 seems the most balanced of all the Echo weapons, and sadly the shotty (ES3).....just no, which is heartbreaking because I love me some shotties.
It might seem like that but assault just kind of stinks for everything except the ammo carrying bonus. That's the only reason I'll use assault.
Sharpshooting on the other hand? It's really only good with shotguns because it causes all of the pellets to penetrate zombies allowing the buckshot to pass through multiple zombies.
But even then, being able to reload faster / auto lock onto people's heads is going to be the best skill because you don't need automatic fire. You need rapid headshots because only headshots matter against the zombies.
@@GitGudFox True, keep up good work, always informative.
Great vid, and thank you
I’m jealous of your car! I’ve never come across one that looks like that! And I have 6 communities!
Is it the Wizard Van? That was a limited edition vehicle.
The way UL designs its weapons is through permutations and combinations without giving a thought if it would actually be useful.
Even worse is that the damage system appears largely fluff based considering weapon ammo types don't appear to matter. UL makes a big fuss about ammo types, and most of them are irrelevant.
@@GitGudFox very critical insight. As far as your analysis goes, quiteness, scope and reload times are most relevant. To an extent weapon damage. Ammo and gun type are irrelevant isnt it. Unless it is a 50 cal of course, with has limited use.
Thank you 🦊 👏
Hey thanks for stopping by B9!
Man i know it's probably gonna take years but I'm excited for state of decay 3.
Yes, I don't think they've even begun on SOD3.
@@GitGudFox yes it might not even happen but i really believe that this game has so much potential and I'm excited for that to actually happen in the distant future. Let's hope for the best. I'll always support undead labs
@@mashable8759 A year late, but...good news!
ermagad 48 minute video.
*quickly sets Playback Speed to 2*
*giggles at the chipmunky voice*
Use the table of contents to skip to the parts you want to learn about.
Hey Fox, have a Tip for a great new game for you. This Is Our Land...... Native American resistance game, hard learning curve because its in Alpha but it updated a lot, beautiful environment, hundreds of hours of play ability , each new game has an entire random map. Recommend taking the time to check out the available how to videos that are out there because there is no in game training. Even the name you pick is important.
I've never heard of it. It sounds interesting.
There are no instructions yet it's being released in November but you can buy in early out the website this is our Land just Google it. It's got a huge learning curve when you're gonna be start lot as you learn things you didn't know CK generations is UA-camr to has made a lot of how to and demonstration videos for the green check him out to see what the game looks like I'm addicted 7 played this game since I got it. And there aren't too many UA-cam is playing this game. Love to see you try it even if it's just a first time trying game I love your style
Kinda sad to see the shotgun so low. Was thinking of using it on my sharpshooter guy for nightmare as an alternative to riling up everything in ear shot with the Devgru X12.
The 4 shell capacity is what kills it.
@@GitGudFox yes and no it's a silent shotgun so it wins vs all others why use a shotgun that attracts more zombies when you can use this to kill a few. I actually had a friend grab it for me fory main game and it is so good especially on nightmare or other difficulty when you have a lot of 12g rounds
Also when you have gun-slinging that any gun is pin point accurate headshots
It'd be awesome if you did a video like this for the CLEO weapons offered by Daybreak! There's a lot of debate as to if there's any actual advantage to them over the default weapons in game.
Big fan if state of decay because of you
The SMG is basically the best weapon in the game IMO. I like others better but, that thing has never let me down. I still have a ton from the Trumball pack last year on a few characters and my Farm save. The Blackout from the recent bounty pack is amazing as well, 20 round 7.62 laser gun.
It's a remarkably effective weapon.
I finally got this game last week, and while I'm loving it my main issue is how quickly weapons breakdown. I could understand it with some weapons, especially improvised ones, say a kitchen knife or baseball bat, but crowbars, axes and such should last much longer than they do. Firearms breakdown is insane, I had an autoshottie, and a 10/22 that each went from brand new to completely destroyed after only about two mags, and needs double as many parts to repair as a vehicle repair kit.
Maybe they should add some sort of "weapon maintenance," which would be very low cost, but if used fairly regularly, after saw after a few mags, would greatly extend the life of the weapon.
Automatic weapons break down really fast because of how quickly they shoot.
@@GitGudFox Yeah, but only getting two mags out of it seems a bit crazy. Especially when it's early game and my characters aren't leveled enough to be able to change the selector to semi automatic (strange thing to lock behind a skill)
Yeah that really is the issue with the echo s3 shotgun, it has potential to be the GREATEST SHOTGUN EVER, but it’s hampered by its magazine size and range. Although for me, the issue with using it in close combat for is is fire rate. I always felt like the fire rate made the gun a little clunky. But a magazine size increase and a little range buff would be nice. I love some tightness in my shotguns!
Well, it's the pump action shotgun similar to the common model 870. If it had a tighter spread, you could "snipe" with it a bit more, and if it had more than... 4 shells, it'd be more sustainable.
Git Gud Fox yeah. But if the echo guns are literally designed to kill zombies....why would the clip be so small? Hell, It’s the only shotgun I use in nightmare cause...well you use one without scentblock and you might as well be screaming,”KIIIILLLLL MEEEE!” But that’s why I’m not a big fan of that freaking go pack....no suppressed shotgun make Jackie angry.
Probably because UL figured they'd be "too OP" and didn't want to "break" the game.
Git Gud Fox yeah they already messed up with standard mode. Plus, it’s better to have something that stands out rather than a bunch of medicore garbage.
The thing that bothers me is that all the weapons' ammo types are basically the same. UL makes this fuss about ammo types, but none of the ammo types matter except for the really exotic ammo like 0.50 caliber and pyrolauncher munitions.
Excellent review....Appreciate the amount of time you've invested to make this vid...
Hi! I love this game!
Hey how's it going?
Good you?
Just to update, the Bounty Broker has all the weapons from this video in the Trumbell Valley Section in the standard game. So you don't need to worry about transferring from friends and such out of Heartland...though you will still need to use influence and unlock them by completing their bounties in the standard game.
At least until they cycle these weapons out.
How much time do you spend responding to comments. It seems like you reply to everything
A lot of time.
Not what I was looking for, but thank you. I’m still trying to find the names of the weapons used in the Echo 3 series.
The only echo weapons are these ones, the crossbows, and the gas launcher.
Wait so the crap ton of echo 2 swords I have are supposed to be rare or is it just the guns?
They're fairly rare, yes.
You said the X-36C was better than the Echo-S7 stats wise at the 34:30 mark. That's a mistake as your video shows that it isn't. Recheck your video as it's got more red stats than the Echo.
That's true. Too late to change anything now though.
"There is a chance they might steal your weapons" Dude, I never even think of this since I always ask my brother for stuff like this. Dang, yeah, gotta be tough not having a brother you can rely on or who's not into games for this kinda stuff.
I have my community to help me, but other people are often dealing with randoms.
👍 thanks
Thanks for watching Joe!
Just to any new players, the Echo weapons are now obtainable in the normal game modes. I have gotten a few playing Normal. Nor sure about Dread yet.
At least until they're phased out like the WW2 weapons were.
And here i am running around with my reliable sawed off 870 with an advanced choke being as loud as possible haha
A fine strategy on Standard Zone but not advisable in Nightmare Zone unless you're just either extremely well equipped or some FPS pro.
Have you ever wondered why there are no bikes in state of decay 2
Probably because UL won't want to make new animations for anything.
I usually find a spot to snipe when me friends and I find a infestation or horde and let my friends do the leg work while I take out the bigger dangers love the echo sniper
These are now included in the game pass if that's how you got STOD2
They are annoying to transfer out of Heartland, but you can also get them as bounty broker rewards now.
Hi Fox :)
Hey there!
are these weapons best in slot for AI survivors in terms of base defence for nightmare zone
Honestly, SMGs are kings in a zombie apocalypse.
Lighter, easier to handle, less noisy, easier to craft ammo.
Full length battle rifles with higher power only matter to overpower human npc with their dmg on the headshot.
Shotguns, revolvers and etc are just cute due to low ammo in magazines.
The most powerful ranged weapons are fire based weapons and crossbows for general combat.
Crossbows can reuse their ammo. Fire can destroy humongous quantities of zombies for the cost of a single incendiary.
It's why the Pyrolauncher is the ultimate weapon.
Awesome
Yesss
Hey, thanks for tuning in!
Kinda wish for a DLC called operation echo,where only echo weapons are able to be used,goal is to take out plague hearts and a large private army of raiders,echo soldiers with custom uniforms are the only people available
If there was an organization using exclusively Echo weapons, I'd suspect that they'd be some kind of PMC outfit being hired by the government or some kind of research institute.
All of the Echo series weapons were developed by some kind of mysterious zombie research institute.
I believe the Echo S6 Pistol is modeled after the Silencerco Maxim 9, because they are the same weapons and that it’s the only handgun in real life to have a integrated suppressor. Look it up and see what I mean.
I just wish it had a scope. It'd be a lot more serviceable.
Git Gud Fox Me too man, me too.
Perfection
Glad you enjoyed it. I remember this video taking a ton of effort to produce!
The fact you was sitting there shooting a door when someone asked for help was funny. Like the exchange went "Hey need some help." Can't busy. "With what?" a huge trouble we have I am taking care of. "Oh gods is it an invasion?" No this door just looked at me side eyed and I have to teach it a lesson. "I. what?" Ya I all ready put 6 clips into it but it's will is too strong.
Another thing they need to give us in State Decay 3 is inventory and backpack management so that we're able to put things in storage areas as we need them and pockets and maybe have bigger backpacks say 10 or 12 slots plus a slot for rucksacks.
I dare you to do a play through but you can only use the loudest weapons on nightmare/ lethal mode I bet you can’t
Also great tier list
It wouldn't be as hard as you'd imagine. Would would happen is that I'd run out of ammo because it would make dozens and dozens of zombies appear.
After I run out of ammo, it would be quiet and business as usual again.
@@GitGudFox fair enough
@@GitGudFox you reply so quickly lol
I just happened to be checking at the moment you posted.
I'm looking for the Echo S5 launcher. Where is the best place to obtain the weapon
The only way to obtain it is through doing mysterious quests until you get it. I guess you could also obtain it from another player if they give it to you.
@@GitGudFox thank you so much for the info . I've been looting like crazy with no luck . Lol you up for a trade cuz none of my friends play SOD
You have to kill the crazed red talon agent, and you have to hope he's carrying the launcher. He will use it against you.
@@GitGudFox lol I'd rather buy it I'm impatient like that
Well now the echo s3 carries 7 shells instead of 3
Yeah, that greatly improved it. It's actually really good in Nightmare Zone where it is very useful for killing ferals since the buckshot makes scoring headshots easy while still be very quiet by shotgun standards.
Why not just make a second account, like is done in the game World of Warcraft to get extra bank space for free, I had at least 10 accounts, to store all my gear.
I do have a second account, but that doesn't really resolve inventory issues in the game.
@@GitGudFox did you use a different device or computer, can you explain?
No, I have an alternate xbox account to increase my save files.
@@GitGudFox okay.
Why has no one told me of the Juggernauts invincibility frame?
Well, I believe they may have patched it since I made this video.
@@GitGudFox So I can just go full auto on him now?
Supposedly, they also made his face take more damage as you blast his face away, so aiming for the head is more valuable.
Thing is the way you should really kill juggernauts is with bouncing borises because a direct hit will blow them up in 1 grenade.
I've always hated silencers (technically suppressors) reducing the range and power of weapons in games, because in reality, their effect on range and power is so minuscule, it's basically nonexistent.
EDIT: I also hate iron sights on AR pattern rifles. I can't wait to put a red dot on my M&P-15.
A suppressor in real life will actually increase bullet velocity.
Is there damage drop off at range?
No, but the farther the target, the greater the chances of missing as you'll have to compensate for the arrow's trajectory.
I know I'm extremely late lol. I just started Heartland and I got every weapon from the military places, except the revolver. I have no more to loot. Does anyone know if we are guaranteed to get every weapon on one playthrough?
They are now. They originally were totally random. There are also bounty broker equivalents.
@@GitGudFox do you have any idea what I should do to find it? I have cleared everything and checked three times. I've gotten multiple duplicates of every weapon. Just not the revolver.
revolver and shotgun are best
did they patch the juggy after seen this video?
Nah, this video was made long before they patched it.
@@GitGudFox Bro, in a patch stream they said that there was a guy that tested somes guns against juggernaunts and each gun take the same amount of bullets to kill him. Is there another crazy man that can make a video like this? xD
ill find that streaming and bring it to you :D
There was. He's commented on this channel before. In fact, he referenced this video as a second opinion for his own test.
@@GitGudFox OMG i love SOD2 Community...
Got it 👽🥸💃🏻
Echo team moving in
2-round burst on the Echo SMG would be great for taking out Blood Ferals in Heartland, and possibly, armored zombies (since you can pop the helmet off if you shoot them enough times/with enough force).
Now do the restored versions...😅
They're identical fortunately.