RC Sproul had a heart. I miss him. By the way, on Bible translations - ever since I started reading the Bible in Greek and Hebrew I learnt that there is much more in translation than one could ever communicate in a small space space of time.
@Elevated Harmony looks like we are not talking about same RC I dont think he added works as base of salvation ever.do you know when and what he said or wrote to deserve the Hell. I think it is just harsh judgement on some one
John told at about 26:27 on the timeline, the experience of Robert Lagerstrom coming to Grace Community Church because he had been directed there by some of his friends... the Psalm he read was 107 (verse: 7) John read the whole Psalm ... "He led them also by a straight way...".... is what spoke so deeply to Robert. Yes, God's word is powerful.
We must, as we read the bible to keep close to the Lord himself and depend on Him to lead and guide us, we have to be on our guard always as Christians. May God Bless those precious men who stand for every word that comes from the mouth of God.
I mainly use NKJV, LSB, & ESV, occasionally I use NIV, and compare each version to another. I'm so thankful for YouVersion bible app and try to relate to God's word as what the psalmist proclaims in the whole of Psalm 119
Having read the bible thoroughly through continually for 48 years...besides reading various books or parts of it for certain studies...commentaries, etc...I find the most readable bibles (& I believe the most accurate) is 1) King James Version...my favorite that I read often 2) NASB or New American Standard Bible...very accurate and I read it through to get a good grasp of it, besides using it often as well. 3) Last, the ESV or English standard Version, which should be called the NEW KJV instead of the one bible that is named NKJV. This ESV just amazes me...so accurate and does not even change much but word for word in many places is the same as the KJV. So I say from reading the KJV about 20 times all the way through and now this ESV almost 3 times through at this point...that I use all 3 of these...BUT the KJV & the ESV is all anyone needs for accuracy and readability. Last, beware of paraphrases and all study bibles...I have, since a Christian tried to always read the bible by itself...too much of these study bibles are around...about 20 maybe and the words other than scripture gets the reader every confused which is which. Use a good text bible or a center column reference bible for to find where the bible repeats itself, etc...but stay away from even the one or two reliable study bibles & get a commentary instead of Lloyd-Jones, R C Sprouls or read the sermons or commentaries of John Calvin...so easy to read and start out with Lloyd-Jones' Ephesians set and the one vol by Calvin of Sermons on Ephesians.
I started out reading a standard KJV bible. As I grew, i eventually settled with a RC Sproul and John MacArthur study bible. As a dictionary, I have Strongs and Theological dictionary of the new testament by Kittel.
The Holy Spirit interprets God's Word from God's perspectives not human perspectives which are flawed ! He is our Wonderful Counselor , Spirit of Truth Who guides us into All Truths and reveals what is yet to come!.. John 16:13
Of all the technology available to modern man, FREE bible software downloads with dozens of bibles, commentaries, including writings of the first centuries' fathers, maps, etc is invaluable.
When Born Again i used KJV. When i was called to chaplain we used NLT for easy understanding for the audience to connect. Praise God the Lord used this also. In prison ministry, the Bible used was Good News Bible. Now i am currently using NIV side by side with NKJV
KJV all the way. I don't bash any translation that is not clearly trying to change the Word and I don't consider the KJV infallible, but these new translations have ISSUES.
There’s too much missing from the NIV. There’s very few churches using the KJV nowadays. Preachers like Martyn Lloyd-Jones preached from the KJV and it was very common in churches in the 1950s & 1960s.
@@1689solas primarily, they do not teach doctrine as a rule. The pastor or pastors as a rule have no idea what is even being taught in Sunday school classes, where little or no knowledge or understanding is found. Usually only a watered down existentialism. These men are Calvinists also, they teach what is false concerning the Gospel. They believe one is regenerated before even hearing the Gospel. The bible- most all translations agree- teaches that one is saved by grace through faith which co es from hearing the message about Christ Jesus. Read the epistles which are directly addresses the body of Christ.
Alguien pudiese orientarme sobre el tema ,muerte, espíritu de las personas, seol, a la luz del antiguo y nuevo testamento. Si fuesen tan amables. Pasa que escuché a pastor Lutzer en una oportunidad y me quedó esa duda.
Wally, you have a good start here but let me help with what these Theologians are talking about. First what are you basing your understanding of the KJV, NASB, and ESV? Are you basing them on commentaries you read, your own understanding of scripture, or on the original language (Hebrew/Aramaic/& Greek)? This is were you should start, when choosing a translation not a commentary. In other words how close is a given translation to the original languages. It starts with the Interlinear translation moving through from the closest word for word to thought for thought in this order. Interlinear; NASB; AMP; ESV; KJV; NKJV; RSV; HCSB. and so on to the message. In my studies both undergrad through post grad and a time at Moody Seminary. I agree I like and know Dr. Lutzer very well. Each translation has its purpose I wouldn't give a young child an KJV because they would never understand it. But I would give them an NIV, or NLT to start, then as they grow move them to a translation that is closer to a word for word. Saying all this in a day of technology I see no reason that a Christian shouldn't be studying the Bible in It original language. I can speak from experience that it become much more richer in its understanding.
NASB is typically seen as the most literal translation, while the ESV balances literal translation with readability. Either of those would be good for a new believer.
We often think that God gives us commands through His Word just to control us and subject us to His will without understanding that His commands are simply to protect us from the consequences of sin, waywardness, and rebellion. When we begin to realize the importance of walking in obedience, we can then have true freedom in the Spirit. The million-dollar question: Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test. Have you ever told a lie, stolen anything, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said, “Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Have you looked with lust? Will you be guilty on Judgment Day? If you have done those things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Bible warns that if you are guilty you will end up in Hell. God, who the Bible says is “rich in mercy,” sent His Son to suffer and die on the cross for guilty sinners. We broke God’s Law, but Jesus paid our fine. That means He can legally dismiss our case. He can commute our death sentence: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Please, repent (turn from sin) today and God will grant everlasting life to all, who trust in Jesus, then read your Bible daily and obey it. www.livingwaters.com ua-cam.com/users/DTBMNextGenerationTraining www.versebyverseministry.org
The first ten minutes are sorta odd... they show only the 3 guys on the right side of the stage. And nothing much gets said... well, that one guy has plenty to say but he seems like a talking head in its disconnectedness and how he causes such disinterestedness in me. Something should have been done by the host... or is there a host, mediator.?? Now they're about 1/2 way through and nothing gets to me. I hope something comes along or it will be the first time I clicked away from any MacArthur.The guy at the far end got no interaction except for being singled out for being 1 in 7 who crossed his legs different. He immediately changed them, a sign of good humor and it would have been a nice time to include him in some way. Maybe this Q & A was longer than this half hour... maybe he got to say a sentence elsewhere. Sometimes I see a huge insensitivity among these panels... in fact I think there are few... or maybe I just know the ones Mac sits on.... these panels of conservatives.
God speaks to us all in our own language. I think He makes certain that His word is translated well. As for the KJV, I do not like it at all. It is still written in an old language with all kinds of fancy words. I find very few really important differences in the translations I have read.
Love the strait talk of John MacArthur
RC Sproul had a heart. I miss him. By the way, on Bible translations - ever since I started reading the Bible in Greek and Hebrew I learnt that there is much more in translation than one could ever communicate in a small space space of time.
Thank you for making this available . Already miss RC 🙏
@Elevated Harmony you think you know it all han
@Elevated Harmony looks like we are not talking about same RC I dont think he added works as base of salvation ever.do you know when and what he said or wrote to deserve the Hell. I think it is just harsh judgement on some one
John told at about 26:27 on the timeline, the experience of Robert Lagerstrom coming to Grace Community Church because he had been directed there by some of his friends... the Psalm he read was 107 (verse: 7) John read the whole Psalm ... "He led them also by a straight way...".... is what spoke so deeply to Robert. Yes, God's word is powerful.
Precious and timeless 🙏
Thank you for your videos, I hear all of these men on the radio, or have heard their name some where, it is good to put a name to a face,
seriously wonderful....even with the levity among cohorts, even with those now in the presence of the Lord this Nov evening 2021,
I love RC's reaction at 10:08. If you get it you get it.
I MISS RC TOO; he SPOKE SUCH TRUTHS of the GOSPEL
We must, as we read the bible to keep close to the Lord himself and depend on Him to lead and guide us, we have to be on our guard always as Christians. May God Bless those precious men who stand for every word that comes from the mouth of God.
Praying the Word of God. Every Saturday morning @ my church we do Worship Based Prayer. It is called Drawing Near.
I mainly use NKJV, LSB, & ESV, occasionally I use NIV, and compare each version to another. I'm so thankful for YouVersion bible app and try to relate to God's word as what the psalmist proclaims in the whole of Psalm 119
These men are so amazing. Funny guys.
Having read the bible thoroughly through continually for 48 years...besides reading various books or parts of it for certain studies...commentaries, etc...I find the most readable bibles (& I believe the most accurate) is
1) King James Version...my favorite that I read often
2) NASB or New American Standard Bible...very accurate and I read it through to get a good grasp of it, besides using it often as well.
3) Last, the ESV or English standard Version, which should be called the NEW KJV instead of the one bible that is named NKJV.
This ESV just amazes me...so accurate and does not even change much but word for word in many places is the same as the KJV. So I say from reading the KJV about 20 times all the way through and now this ESV almost 3 times through at this point...that I use all 3 of these...BUT the KJV & the ESV is all anyone needs for accuracy and readability.
Last, beware of paraphrases and all study bibles...I have, since a Christian tried to always read the bible by itself...too much of these study bibles are around...about 20 maybe and the words other than scripture gets the reader every confused which is which. Use a good text bible or a center column reference bible for to find where the bible repeats itself, etc...but stay away from even the one or two reliable study bibles & get a commentary instead of Lloyd-Jones, R C Sprouls or read the sermons or commentaries of John Calvin...so easy to read and start out with Lloyd-Jones' Ephesians set and the one vol by Calvin of Sermons on Ephesians.
Great Discussion! God Bless!
I started out reading a standard KJV bible. As I grew, i eventually settled with a RC Sproul and John MacArthur study bible.
As a dictionary, I have Strongs and Theological dictionary of the new testament by Kittel.
The Holy Spirit interprets God's Word from God's perspectives not human perspectives which are flawed !
He is our Wonderful Counselor , Spirit of Truth Who guides us into All Truths and reveals what is yet to come!..
John 16:13
grace sue
i concur
Preach It Sister!!!!✌
Love Erwin Lutzer
Of all the technology available to modern man, FREE bible software downloads with dozens of bibles, commentaries, including writings of the first centuries' fathers, maps, etc is invaluable.
I watch the Bible Project on ytube, it gives me the big picture then I read the Bible story, very helpful. ❣️🙏🏼
A bit sad that Godfrey didn't have a chance to answer any questions.
When Born Again i used KJV.
When i was called to chaplain we used NLT for easy understanding for the audience to connect. Praise God the Lord used this also.
In prison ministry, the Bible used was Good News Bible.
Now i am currently using NIV side by side with NKJV
NASB, then the ESV
KJV all the way. I don't bash any translation that is not clearly trying to change the Word and I don't consider the KJV infallible, but these new translations have ISSUES.
Yep!!
There’s too much missing from the NIV. There’s very few churches using the KJV nowadays. Preachers like Martyn Lloyd-Jones preached from the KJV and it was very common in churches in the 1950s & 1960s.
love NIV and KJV
Why not answer the question about which version would be best?
Why is Pastor Lutzer the ONLY one not holding a micro phone ??Especially since he was the one I tuned in for.
I love Pastor Lutzer as well 😎🙏
Could be any number of reasons. Don't read too much into it.
I'm here for Pastor Lutzer too. He is my role model.
Perhaps the soundboard they are using has only 6 microphone ports. The moderator holds one for obvious reasons. The others make due and share!
I have been searching for a church that teaches the world of God for 20 years and have not find one
Where are you located?
Maybe your theology is the problem and not the churches?
@@1689solas primarily, they do not teach doctrine as a rule. The pastor or pastors as a rule have no idea what is even being taught in Sunday school classes, where little or no knowledge or understanding is found. Usually only a watered down existentialism. These men are Calvinists also, they teach what is false concerning the Gospel. They believe one is regenerated before even hearing the Gospel. The bible- most all translations agree- teaches that one is saved by grace through faith which co es from hearing the message about Christ Jesus. Read the epistles which are directly addresses the body of Christ.
Where you been going???
Come to Orlando, FL. There are several sound churches.
amen.
Alguien pudiese orientarme sobre el tema ,muerte, espíritu de las personas, seol, a la luz del antiguo y nuevo testamento. Si fuesen tan amables. Pasa que escuché a pastor Lutzer en una oportunidad y me quedó esa duda.
It is named not called, sorry for miss wording.
Wally, you have a good start here but let me help with what these Theologians are talking about. First what are you basing your understanding of the KJV, NASB, and ESV? Are you basing them on commentaries you read, your own understanding of scripture, or on the original language (Hebrew/Aramaic/& Greek)? This is were you should start, when choosing a translation not a commentary. In other words how close is a given translation to the original languages. It starts with the Interlinear translation moving through from the closest word for word to thought for thought in this order. Interlinear; NASB; AMP; ESV; KJV; NKJV; RSV; HCSB. and so on to the message. In my studies both undergrad through post grad and a time at Moody Seminary. I agree I like and know Dr. Lutzer very well. Each translation has its purpose I wouldn't give a young child an KJV because they would never understand it. But I would give them an NIV, or NLT to start, then as they grow move them to a translation that is closer to a word for word. Saying all this in a day of technology I see no reason that a Christian shouldn't be studying the Bible in It original language. I can speak from experience that it become much more richer in its understanding.
Hmm which is a good version of the bible for a new believer ?? Can I get the answer ? Why were they so annoyed to answer that question?
NASB is typically seen as the most literal translation, while the ESV balances literal translation with readability. Either of those would be good for a new believer.
We often think that God gives us commands through His Word just to control us and subject us to His will without understanding that His commands are simply to protect us from the consequences of sin, waywardness, and rebellion. When we begin to realize the importance of walking in obedience, we can then have true freedom in the Spirit. The million-dollar question: Will you go to Heaven when you die? Here’s a quick test. Have you ever told a lie, stolen anything, or used God’s name in vain? Jesus said, “Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” Have you looked with lust? Will you be guilty on Judgment Day? If you have done those things, God sees you as a lying, thieving, blasphemous, adulterer at heart. The Bible warns that if you are guilty you will end up in Hell. God, who the Bible says is “rich in mercy,” sent His Son to suffer and die on the cross for guilty sinners. We broke God’s Law, but Jesus paid our fine. That means He can legally dismiss our case. He can commute our death sentence: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.” Then He rose from the dead and defeated death. Please, repent (turn from sin) today and God will grant everlasting life to all, who trust in Jesus, then read your Bible daily and obey it.
www.livingwaters.com
ua-cam.com/users/DTBMNextGenerationTraining
www.versebyverseministry.org
Jesus is Lord!
NRSV all the way!
KJV!
NASB
1901 ASV
i use NIV
i hv a parallel bible: KJV, NASB, NIV,
Best bible King James Version!
Better to learn Greek and Hebrew.
The first ten minutes are sorta odd... they show only the 3 guys on the right side of the stage. And nothing much gets said... well, that one guy has plenty to say but he seems like a talking head in its disconnectedness and how he causes such disinterestedness in me. Something should have been done by the host... or is there a host, mediator.?? Now they're about 1/2 way through and nothing gets to me. I hope something comes along or it will be the first time I clicked away from any MacArthur.The guy at the far end got no interaction except for being singled out for being 1 in 7 who crossed his legs different. He immediately changed them, a sign of good humor and it would have been a nice time to include him in some way. Maybe this Q & A was longer than this half hour... maybe he got to say a sentence elsewhere. Sometimes I see a huge insensitivity among these panels... in fact I think there are few... or maybe I just know the ones Mac sits on.... these panels of conservatives.
Neither of you answered the question.
There is only ONE Word, and it's PETFECT - The KJB
Lol!!!!😅✌😎'11:011'....
God speaks to us all in our own language. I think He makes certain that His word is translated well. As for the KJV, I do not like it at all. It is still written in an old language with all kinds of fancy words. I find very few really important differences in the translations I have read.
Georgia Wessling
Mr wessling I am from Africa English is not my launguge but I understand king James version
Try to understand
Very Easily Solved! The only one preserved through the ages from the textus receptus. KJV
Isn’t it just kind of hypocritical of MacArthur to say that considering he as his own Study Bible?
It’s a study Bible to help people understand the Bible, not a slight variation of a translation to pander to a specific niche in order to sell more.
Oh the irony of saying Bible sales is a ploy for monetary reasons. Tack on control/influence, and Hello Christianity....😂
ALL are Wrong and false!
HERITAGE RESEARCH CENTER when you stand before God you will find out how true the Bible is
@@adriangarner1 Well Said Sir!!!✌😎...
He's proly Muslim