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1. The Earth Supported by a Whale Myth: The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale (Bahamut) or other creatures does appear in early Islamic literature, including in works by figures like Ibn Abbas and Al-Tabari. However, these narratives are not rooted in the Qur'an or authentic hadiths but are classified as Isra'iliyyat (stories borrowed from Jewish and Christian traditions). These myths were incorporated into early exegesis but were not seen as foundational Islamic beliefs. Al-Qazwini’s Influence: It is true that Zakariya Al-Qazwini, in his cosmological works like 'Aja'ib al-Makhluqat, helped popularize these stories with vivid illustrations. However, attributing the origin of these ideas solely to him is inaccurate because they were already present in earlier works, as you mentioned. Mainstream Islamic Belief: Islamic theology and cosmology are based on the Qur'an and authentic hadiths, which do not support the myth of the Earth being carried by a whale or any similar idea. Mainstream Islamic belief holds that the Earth is part of a carefully created and balanced system under God's control, without reliance on mythological creatures. 2. Verses Describing Dhul-Qarnayn’s Journeys (Qur'an 18:86 and 18:90): The second part of your assessment, regarding the verses from Surah Al-Kahf (18:86 and 18:90), also holds up as correct when understood in their proper context. Qur'an 18:86: “Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud...” Qur'an 18:90: “Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.” These verses describe the journey of Dhul-Qarnayn, a righteous king or ruler, who travels to the farthest points of the east and west. The key phrases here-"as if setting in a spring of dark mud" and "rising on a people for whom We had not made any shield"-are metaphorical descriptions of how things appeared to Dhul-Qarnayn. Key Points to Consider: Figurative Language: The Qur'an often uses figurative or descriptive language to convey how something appears from a human perspective. In this case, Dhul-Qarnayn, upon reaching a western land at sunset, saw the sun "as if" setting in a muddy spring. This is similar to how one might observe the sun setting over the ocean, appearing to sink into the horizon. It’s not a literal statement about cosmology, but rather a description of what he saw from his vantage point. No Implication of Flat Earth: The Qur'an does not suggest a flat Earth in these verses or any other. The description of Dhul-Qarnayn’s journey is metaphorical and describes his perception, not an objective cosmological statement about the Earth having "edges" or the sun being close to the surface. Context of Dhul-Qarnayn’s Travels: The Qur'an uses Dhul-Qarnayn’s journey to teach lessons about power, justice, and governance, not to make cosmological claims. Scholars like Ibn Kathir and Al-Razi have noted that the verse uses expressions of observation, and it is incorrect to read these as literal descriptions of physical geography. Islamic Cosmology: Mainstream Islamic theology, as interpreted by scholars, does not support a flat Earth model. Even though some early interpretations may reflect the limited geographical knowledge of the time, the Qur'anic text itself does not endorse a specific cosmological model that contradicts modern science. 3. Misinterpretation of Ancient Texts: The idea that these verses suggest a literal "edge of the Earth" where people live close to the rising and setting sun is a misinterpretation. Islamic scholars, both classical and contemporary, recognize that these descriptions are part of the Qur'anic style of speaking in human terms-how things appear to humans-without delving into scientific details. The Sun setting in a spring or people exposed to the sun without a shield are metaphorical and should not be understood as literal descriptions of the universe’s physical layout. Modern Islamic scholarship, informed by both the Qur'an and advances in scientific understanding, affirms the spherical nature of the Earth and rejects any notion of a flat Earth based on Qur'anic verses.
Also almost all early muslim scholars supported the round earth model. He said: Similarly they were unanimously agreed that the Earth, with all that is contains of land and sea is like a ball. He said: That is indicated by the fact that the sun, moon and stars do not rise and set over those who are in different parts of the earth at the same time; rather that occurs in the east before it occurs in the west. End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (25/195).
@@gabriela.3276 that is not self interpretation,that's the interpretation of muslim scholar, if you can prove something, then I dare you to,.. Where's the mention of an animal carrying in the earth in Qur'an /hadith ??? In reality the Jews and christians believed so, and they became muslim to incorporated this myth.
the Qur'an proves that the earth is rotating and revolving. Verse 27:88 of the Quran says, "And you see the mountains, thinking they are firmly fixed, but they are traveling like clouds. That is the design of Allah, Who has perfected everything. Surely He is All-Aware of what you do". Even the mountains which are fixed on earth are presently travelling like clouds, ie. The earth is revolving around the sun...
Quran 11:7 (Surah Hud, verse 7) in translation states: "And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was upon the water - that He might try you, which of you is best in deed. But if you were to say to them, 'You will surely be resurrected after death,' those who disbelieve will surely say, 'This is not but obvious magic.'". The throne upon water was a sign of sovereignty
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points. 1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars. Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi. In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale. Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas. In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth. Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation). The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either. The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature. In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant. In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent. The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability. The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate. Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points. Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.'' Sunrise Description (18:90): Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface. Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...'' Sunset Description (18:86): Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon. Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present. 2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view. 3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us. Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video. 4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@VladRacovitaEN The Hadith That Says Earth Sits On The Back Of a Whale Is Fabricated, Its Weak In Its Sana'd (Chain Of Narration) And Weak In Its Mat'an (Content). If You Look At The Chain Of Narration It Has Abdullah bin Wahab, Abdullah Bin Ayeash, Abdullah Solumen Attawillah And All Of Those Individuals Without Exception Are Weak Narrator. Infact Ibn Kathir Mentions In His Book Al-bidaya Wan Nihaya (The Beggining And The End) That This Is a Fabrication Taken From The Israelites (Tales Of The Judeo-Christian Tradition). Why Do People Like You Have To Getting Something Which is Fabricated In Order To Make a Case Against Islam?! Do You Think as an Unqualified Personnel You Are That Just Because It's Narrated From The Tafsir that has somehow became authentic NO.. This Is Not how it works..and this is what happens when an untrained hand reaches into the scholarly works of the muslims. Why Don't You Find Anything Like This In The Quran And Authentic Sunnah. NICE TRY BUT IT'S A BLUNDER... EMBARRASSING!
Quran 31:10 (Surah Luqman, verse 10) in translation states: "He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind."
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points. 1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars. Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi. In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale. Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas. In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth. Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation). The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either. The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature. In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant. In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent. The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability. The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate. Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points. Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.'' Sunrise Description (18:90): Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface. Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...'' Sunset Description (18:86): Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon. Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present. 2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view. 3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us. Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video. 4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@VladRacovitaEN Why Did You Quote From a Fabricated Hadith The Hadith Is Not Authentic.. I Explained It In Detail In My Comment Idk Why It Went Deleted..
Nicely done. Hier is a link, which you can certainly use. It covers this story in depth and other subjects. Bye the way, is there any source about Mardok and his creation story? How do we know about it?
No Marduk for creation . Maha Vishnu created the universe. Maha Vishnu is the 1st expansion of Krishna. Read the 5200 year old book called the Bhagavad-Gita for the truth .... Hare Krishna
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@@VladRacovitaEN so it's proved that islam is false and misleading from the start , why would the almighty god mislead the mankind if islam is really from the almighty himself.... For the information in 2500 BC BHARATHA aka India earth was always referred to bhugola i.e. bhu - land mass n gola - spherical or round.
@@answersaaa hehehe make your own happiness mulla😁😁😁 Have you heard about PARABRAHMA the supreme of all who manifest into all forms. One supreme being in multiple forms is the concept... People like you won't understand as you blindly follow a book and if you ask questions or won't agree with the book you'll be slaughtered by your breed more over your fake god n so called prophet needs blasphemy laws to protect themselves from asking questions😁😁😁 why are they so insecure😁😁😁
@@answersaaa you won't understand the vastness of Sanathana Dharma as you follow a pedophile, caravan thief, sex slave trader, war lord n many more heinous character man. In Hinduism there is one ultimate god manifesting into many form, you won't understand as you come from a desert death cult famous across the humanity for terrorism, loot, rape n all kind of atrocities...
The idea that mountains act as stabilizers for the Earth is not in conflict with modern geology, despite claims that it is "unscientific." In fact, science reveals that mountains do play a role in stabilizing tectonic plates through processes like: Mountain Roots: According to the theory of isostasy, mountains have deep "roots" that extend beneath the Earth's surface, balancing the crust. This can be likened to the metaphor of mountains as "stakes" (awtād) that hold the Earth in place. Plate Tectonics: Mountains form at the boundaries of tectonic plates, and their presence can reduce or redistribute tectonic activity, which contributes to the stability of the Earth’s surface. While mountains do not entirely prevent earthquakes, they do play a role in the larger dynamics of the Earth’s crust. Thus, the Qur'anic description of mountains as stabilizers can be understood in a way that aligns with modern scientific knowledge. Mountains contribute to the overall equilibrium of the Earth’s crust, much like "stakes" that anchor something in place.
@@mrfact03s it's not a misrepressentation, quran's cosmology is based and roots from the near eastern mythologies. I highly recommend you do research on near eastern mythologies and you'd be surprised how identical they are to the quran's geocentric flat earth cosmology.
I was a Muslim for My whole life just before 5 Month ago i lifted Islam. It's funny how was I'm believing this. I'm also memorized all Quran but that's nothing makes sense 😅
@@VladRacovitaEN I am very happy after leaving Islam, but I hide from my friends and family that I left Islam because if they knew, I would be the end of the world. I am now looking for a way to escape from this society that does not accept my opinion.
Wow. I'd have like 1000 questions about life in Saudi in your position! I see that your country is changing very fast, but I may have propaganda news. I read very discordant and often exaggerated reports about irreligion in Saudi. I'm from Italy, my girlfriend is from Indonesia and yeah, it was not easy for her to tell to her parents either, parents still now after 3 years do not behave very good. By the way, you've came here from our 1 hour and 34 mins documentary about pre-islamic arabia right? May I ask how's the content inside compared to your experience first hand? Stay strong!
@@VladRacovitaEN Well, life in Saudi Arabia is beautiful and there is very high safety to be honest(but it's not because of islam and Muslim, But it's Saudi law and fast service in every thing) and Saudi's didn't care such about Islam they want their country to be developed, And there is no sharia law, a lot of youth group is became atheist everyday but they hide from their family because their family is religion as any old generation. I think Islam is daying there, Especially if you think about crown prince of the country he doesn't even care about Islam that's why he loved by young's, but unfortunately there is no freedom speech and you can't be atheist or follow any religion excepect Islam. Hope you understand my comment my English is not that good at all
Where's the hadith about 72 virgins,there is no authentic mention of 72 virgins, neither in the hadith, not in the Qur'an. And to br4t I want you to apologise, for your betterment...
@@eobardthawne5246 how come miracles be insane ?? One could say the same about the splitting of sea by Moses. Or the lactation miracle of st. Bernard. (Lol. He drank the breast milk of 12 year old.)
Quran 21:30 (Surah Al-Anbiya, Ayah 30) is translated as follows: "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?" This verse is often interpreted as referring to the unity of the heavens and the earth before they were created and then separated, and it emphasizes the importance of water as a source of life.
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points. 1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars. Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi. In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale. Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas. In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth. Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation). The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either. The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature. In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant. In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent. The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability. The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate. Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points. Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.'' Sunrise Description (18:90): Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface. Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...'' Sunset Description (18:86): Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon. Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present. 2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view. 3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us. Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video. 4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
The letters of our alphabet are often inspired to natural things. Like, our Latin letter "A" comes from the Greek "α", which comes from the Phoenician "𐤀", which comes from the Egyptian hyeroglyph of a bulls head "𓃾". The bull has always been considered the most sacred animal in most religions, as we discovered in one of our videos about the bulls!
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points. 1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars. Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi. In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale. Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas. In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth. Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation). The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either. The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature. In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant. In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent. The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability. The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate. Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points. Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.'' Sunrise Description (18:90): Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface. Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...'' Sunset Description (18:86): Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon. Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present. 2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view. 3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us. Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video. 4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@@VladRacovitaENthis is how replies need to be! Kudos to you. One can agree or disagree with the points raised. But cant deny the sincerity of the reply with such rich content.
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Hello this was a theory made by zakariya al qazwini. The verses well they were metaphorically and its says allah created 7 heavens not earths. Now about the earth being flat that was also like a metaphor being used when speaking to the prophet saw. In Quran it says allah created the earth and wraps it over with the day and wraps the day over with the nigh. the word yukawwiru (wraps) Implys a spherical matter
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points. 1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars. Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi. In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale. Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas. In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth. Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation). The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either. The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature. In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant. In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent. The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability. The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate. Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points. Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.'' Sunrise Description (18:90): Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface. Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...'' Sunset Description (18:86): Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon. Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present. 2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view. 3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us. Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video. 4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@@VladRacovitaENhello vlad, now raise another question. If Muhammad is proven historically can't read. How can he even tap in to the knowledge of past mythology in to such a detailed manners. Have you done any research on how Muhammad can have all those information to the point Qur'an can be made as wholly as today. I don't know if this can be answered shortly. But maybe you have made a video that covered this. If yes, pls let me know which video. Thx
Let me break down and clarify the points you raised about the scientific interpretations of Qur'anic verses and the comparison with Babylonian mythology. 1. Mountains as Stabilizers (Qur'an 31:10 and 78:6-7) The verses in question describe mountains as stabilizing the Earth: Qur'an 31:10: "He created the heavens without any pillars that you can see and placed firm mountains on the Earth so that it does not shake with you..." Qur'an 78:6-7: "Have We not made the earth a resting place and the mountains as stakes?" Interpretation of Mountains as Stabilizers: The Qur'anic language here is metaphorical and aims to convey the stabilizing role that mountains play on Earth. From an Islamic exegetical perspective, these verses do not need to be read as purely scientific statements but rather as descriptions of the world as seen from human experience. Modern Science and Geology: While the Qur'an speaks of mountains preventing the Earth from shaking, modern geology shows that mountains are the result of tectonic activity and help balance the Earth's crust. Through the process of isostasy, mountains have deep roots that stabilize the Earth's surface, which can be loosely interpreted as the "stakes" mentioned in the Qur'an. Although mountains don't stop earthquakes (which occur due to tectonic shifts), they do contribute to the balance of the Earth's crust. Thus, while the language is not identical to modern scientific discourse, the metaphorical understanding of mountains providing stability can align with certain geological principles. 2. Invisible Pillars in the Heavens (Qur'an 31:10 and 13:2) Qur'an 31:10: "He created the heavens without any pillars that you can see..." Qur'an 13:2: "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see." Pillars as Metaphor for the Sky's Stability: These verses mention pillars that are not visible to the human eye. Some interpreters have viewed these "pillars" as symbolic of the unseen forces or laws that keep the heavens suspended. Classical scholars often interpreted these as referring to God’s power and will in maintaining the universe’s order. Modern Interpretation: From a modern scientific viewpoint, there is no literal need for physical pillars to hold up the sky, but the concept can be understood metaphorically. The heavens (i.e., the universe) are held in place by invisible forces like gravity, which are imperceptible to the naked eye but govern the movement of celestial bodies. In this sense, the "invisible pillars" could refer to the unseen forces that maintain cosmic order. 3. Comparison with Mesopotamian Mythology: You mentioned that in the video, the creation story of Allah is compared to Marduk, the Babylonian god, and the idea that the Arabs were influenced by neighboring mythologies. Contextualizing Islamic and Mesopotamian Mythologies: It's true that cultures in the ancient Middle East, including the Arabian Peninsula, were exposed to the myths and cosmologies of neighboring civilizations, such as the Babylonians, Mesopotamians, and Persians. However, equating Islamic cosmology directly with these earlier myths overlooks key distinctions. Babylonian Myth of Marduk: Marduk, in Babylonian mythology, creates the world by defeating the sea dragon Tiamat and shaping the Earth from her body. While there may be superficial similarities in certain cosmological motifs, Islamic theology presents a very different concept of creation. The Qur'an emphasizes a single, omnipotent God who creates the universe in a deliberate and orderly manner, without struggle or conflict. Whale, Bull, and Seven Heavens/Earths: The notion of a whale or bull supporting the Earth is not found in the Qur'an itself, but rather in Isra'iliyyat (narrations from Judeo-Christian traditions) or folklore that entered Islamic thought later. These ideas are not central to Islamic theology and do not reflect the Qur'anic account of creation, which focuses on God's direct and purposeful creation of the universe. Qur'anic Creation vs. Mythological Creation: Islamic theology distances itself from mythological concepts of creation involving battles between gods or the world being created from the body of a slain deity. The Qur'an emphasizes that creation is an act of God’s will (Kun fa-yakoon: "Be, and it is"), unlike the complex mythological narratives found in other ancient cultures. While certain cultural ideas might have permeated Islamic folklore, the core theological and cosmological beliefs in Islam are distinct. 4. Qur'an 11:7 and 21:30: Without knowing exactly what was said in the video, I will offer a general explanation of these verses: Qur'an 11:7: "And He is the One Who created the heavens and the Earth in six days-and His Throne was upon the waters..." This verse explains that God's Throne existed over the waters before the creation of the heavens and Earth. While some mythologies also reference primordial waters, in the Qur'anic context, it’s not a battle or conflict but a description of the order before creation. The Throne represents God's authority and dominion over all creation. Qur'an 21:30: "Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the Earth were joined together as one piece, then We parted them, and We made from water every living thing..." This verse can be interpreted in light of modern cosmology. The reference to the heavens and Earth being joined together and then separated may resonate with the Big Bang theory, where the universe began as a singularity before expanding. The mention of water as the origin of life aligns with biological understandings that water is essential for life on Earth. Conclusion: Scientific Perspective: The Qur'anic descriptions of mountains, invisible pillars, and creation are largely metaphorical, reflecting the language of the time while still being compatible with modern scientific principles when understood correctly. While early interpretations may have been influenced by cultural ideas, the Qur'an itself does not promote myths like the Earth being held by a whale or bull. Influence from Mythologies: While it's true that ancient Arabian culture was exposed to neighboring mythologies, the Qur'anic narrative remains distinct in its theological message. Islam’s monotheistic understanding of creation by God’s will is fundamentally different from the polytheistic and mythological accounts of neighboring cultures like the Babylonians. Your assessment that these interpretations of the Qur'an are misinformed or incorrect holds true, especially when considering the Qur'anic verses within their historical, theological, and linguistic context.
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points. 1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars. Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi. In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale. Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas. In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth. Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation). The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either. The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature. In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant. In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent. The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability. The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate. Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points. Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.'' Sunrise Description (18:90): Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface. Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf): ''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...'' Sunset Description (18:86): Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon. Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present. 2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view. 3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us. Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video. 4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video. 6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
He is linear minded and incapable of thinking critically. What would you expect. See, how his explanation is an age old mainstream layman Quranic explantion. He is sincere alright. He sincerly made this video and replied with such rich content, like how when you don't know the answers and just make your answersheet heavy with additional papers. I'm pissed at myself why I wasted my time watching this video and went on to read his reply.
@@Everythingisperspective3916 lolll same. this guy came across as a man who did a good job researching stuff but totally lost me on this video. made me think if he's a closet islamaphobe.
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1. The Earth Supported by a Whale Myth:
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale (Bahamut) or other creatures does appear in early Islamic literature, including in works by figures like Ibn Abbas and Al-Tabari. However, these narratives are not rooted in the Qur'an or authentic hadiths but are classified as Isra'iliyyat (stories borrowed from Jewish and Christian traditions). These myths were incorporated into early exegesis but were not seen as foundational Islamic beliefs.
Al-Qazwini’s Influence: It is true that Zakariya Al-Qazwini, in his cosmological works like 'Aja'ib al-Makhluqat, helped popularize these stories with vivid illustrations. However, attributing the origin of these ideas solely to him is inaccurate because they were already present in earlier works, as you mentioned.
Mainstream Islamic Belief: Islamic theology and cosmology are based on the Qur'an and authentic hadiths, which do not support the myth of the Earth being carried by a whale or any similar idea. Mainstream Islamic belief holds that the Earth is part of a carefully created and balanced system under God's control, without reliance on mythological creatures.
2. Verses Describing Dhul-Qarnayn’s Journeys (Qur'an 18:86 and 18:90):
The second part of your assessment, regarding the verses from Surah Al-Kahf (18:86 and 18:90), also holds up as correct when understood in their proper context.
Qur'an 18:86: “Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud...”
Qur'an 18:90: “Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.”
These verses describe the journey of Dhul-Qarnayn, a righteous king or ruler, who travels to the farthest points of the east and west. The key phrases here-"as if setting in a spring of dark mud" and "rising on a people for whom We had not made any shield"-are metaphorical descriptions of how things appeared to Dhul-Qarnayn.
Key Points to Consider:
Figurative Language: The Qur'an often uses figurative or descriptive language to convey how something appears from a human perspective. In this case, Dhul-Qarnayn, upon reaching a western land at sunset, saw the sun "as if" setting in a muddy spring. This is similar to how one might observe the sun setting over the ocean, appearing to sink into the horizon. It’s not a literal statement about cosmology, but rather a description of what he saw from his vantage point.
No Implication of Flat Earth: The Qur'an does not suggest a flat Earth in these verses or any other. The description of Dhul-Qarnayn’s journey is metaphorical and describes his perception, not an objective cosmological statement about the Earth having "edges" or the sun being close to the surface.
Context of Dhul-Qarnayn’s Travels: The Qur'an uses Dhul-Qarnayn’s journey to teach lessons about power, justice, and governance, not to make cosmological claims. Scholars like Ibn Kathir and Al-Razi have noted that the verse uses expressions of observation, and it is incorrect to read these as literal descriptions of physical geography.
Islamic Cosmology: Mainstream Islamic theology, as interpreted by scholars, does not support a flat Earth model. Even though some early interpretations may reflect the limited geographical knowledge of the time, the Qur'anic text itself does not endorse a specific cosmological model that contradicts modern science.
3. Misinterpretation of Ancient Texts:
The idea that these verses suggest a literal "edge of the Earth" where people live close to the rising and setting sun is a misinterpretation. Islamic scholars, both classical and contemporary, recognize that these descriptions are part of the Qur'anic style of speaking in human terms-how things appear to humans-without delving into scientific details.
The Sun setting in a spring or people exposed to the sun without a shield are metaphorical and should not be understood as literal descriptions of the universe’s physical layout. Modern Islamic scholarship, informed by both the Qur'an and advances in scientific understanding, affirms the spherical nature of the Earth and rejects any notion of a flat Earth based on Qur'anic verses.
Bro started explaining why he has to remain muslim with rhetoric and self interpretation
@@gabriela.3276 when are you converting to islam, Gabriela ???
I would help you convert.
Also almost all early muslim scholars supported the round earth model.
He said: Similarly they were unanimously agreed that the Earth, with all that is contains of land and sea is like a ball. He said: That is indicated by the fact that the sun, moon and stars do not rise and set over those who are in different parts of the earth at the same time; rather that occurs in the east before it occurs in the west.
End quote from Majmoo‘ al-Fataawa (25/195).
@@gabriela.3276 that is not self interpretation,that's the interpretation of muslim scholar, if you can prove something, then I dare you to,..
Where's the mention of an animal carrying in the earth in Qur'an /hadith ???
In reality the Jews and christians believed so, and they became muslim to incorporated this myth.
This is a very good bedtime story for children 🧒.
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the Qur'an proves that the earth is rotating and revolving.
Verse 27:88 of the Quran says, "And you see the mountains, thinking they are firmly fixed, but they are traveling like clouds. That is the design of Allah, Who has perfected everything. Surely He is All-Aware of what you do".
Even the mountains which are fixed on earth are presently travelling like clouds, ie. The earth is revolving around the sun...
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This vers as previous vers is about doomsday prophecy and not actual rotation but of Earth 🌍.
Why are you trying to deceive people?
@@aemiliadelroba4022because it's true and remember that Qur'an talk in code language and some literature Qur'an is not a science book
I think you may have forgotten Q 41:11, which says that the heavens were once like smoke before Allah spoke for them to come into existence
Quran 11:7 (Surah Hud, verse 7) in translation states:
"And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days - and His Throne was upon the water - that He might try you, which of you is best in deed. But if you were to say to them, 'You will surely be resurrected after death,' those who disbelieve will surely say, 'This is not but obvious magic.'". The throne upon water was a sign of sovereignty
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points.
1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars.
Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi.
In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale.
Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas.
In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth.
Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation).
The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature.
In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant.
In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent.
The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability.
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate.
Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points.
Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''
Sunrise Description (18:90):
Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface.
Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...''
Sunset Description (18:86):
Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon.
Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present.
2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view.
3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us.
Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video.
4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@VladRacovitaEN The Hadith That Says Earth Sits On The Back Of a Whale Is Fabricated, Its Weak In Its Sana'd (Chain Of Narration) And Weak In Its Mat'an (Content). If You Look At The Chain Of Narration It Has Abdullah bin Wahab, Abdullah Bin Ayeash, Abdullah Solumen Attawillah And All Of Those Individuals Without Exception Are Weak Narrator. Infact Ibn Kathir Mentions In His Book Al-bidaya Wan Nihaya (The Beggining And The End) That This Is a Fabrication Taken From The Israelites (Tales Of The Judeo-Christian Tradition). Why Do People Like You Have To Getting Something Which is Fabricated In Order To Make a Case Against Islam?! Do You Think as an Unqualified Personnel You Are That Just Because It's Narrated From The Tafsir that has somehow became authentic NO.. This Is Not how it works..and this is what happens when an untrained hand reaches into the scholarly works of the muslims. Why Don't You Find Anything Like This In The Quran And Authentic Sunnah. NICE TRY BUT IT'S A BLUNDER... EMBARRASSING!
Quran 31:10 (Surah Luqman, verse 10) in translation states:
"He created the heavens without pillars that you see and has cast into the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with you, and dispersed therein from every creature. And We sent down rain from the sky and made grow therein [plants] of every noble kind."
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points.
1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars.
Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi.
In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale.
Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas.
In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth.
Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation).
The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature.
In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant.
In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent.
The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability.
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate.
Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points.
Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''
Sunrise Description (18:90):
Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface.
Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...''
Sunset Description (18:86):
Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon.
Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present.
2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view.
3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us.
Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video.
4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@@VladRacovitaEN so you will choose from the shit hadit? and make it mainstream good luck? how about talk to a scholar and ask whats up
@@waise2498Dude where is the inauthentic hadith he quoted?
tafsir or intrepretation isnt exactly religion, dumb scholars will make dumb tafsir, pretty sure qura intrepretarion doesnt talk about this stuff
@VladRacovitaEN Why Did You Quote From a Fabricated Hadith The Hadith Is Not Authentic.. I Explained It In Detail In My Comment Idk Why It Went Deleted..
Nicely done.
Hier is a link, which you can certainly use. It covers this story in depth and other subjects.
Bye the way, is there any source about Mardok and his creation story? How do we know about it?
No Marduk for creation . Maha Vishnu created the universe. Maha Vishnu is the 1st expansion of Krishna. Read the 5200 year old book called the Bhagavad-Gita for the truth .... Hare Krishna
Vishnu is a fodder
Slumdog nonsense
@@DeanMorrissey-fu1yf it’s less than a thousand year old book and there’s no truth in worshiping cows
:( está en inglés porque no está al menos subtitulado en español?
Hey pirosito! Tenemos la version en Español de este canal donde puedes ver todos los videos de este cana, también con un excelente narrador de Mexico. Aqui el enlace a este video ua-cam.com/video/D5k3FxhzfrM/v-deo.html
@@VladRacovitaEN oh gracias
Im muslim and ive never heard about this whale.. what are you even talking about man?
So as shown here asper islam earth is flat, sun n moon revolve around the earth, star's fall from the sky ??
Well...
Yeah...
But it makes historical sense when considering the period the Quran was written, right?
Cheers!
@@VladRacovitaEN so it's proved that islam is false and misleading from the start , why would the almighty god mislead the mankind if islam is really from the almighty himself....
For the information in 2500 BC BHARATHA aka India earth was always referred to bhugola i.e. bhu - land mass n gola - spherical or round.
And Hinduism a true religion with 3 billion gods each fighting each other and sitting on a lotus or an animal with multiple hands. Give me a break.
@@answersaaa hehehe make your own happiness mulla😁😁😁 Have you heard about PARABRAHMA the supreme of all who manifest into all forms.
One supreme being in multiple forms is the concept...
People like you won't understand as you blindly follow a book and if you ask questions or won't agree with the book you'll be slaughtered by your breed more over your fake god n so called prophet needs blasphemy laws to protect themselves from asking questions😁😁😁 why are they so insecure😁😁😁
@@answersaaa you won't understand the vastness of Sanathana Dharma as you follow a pedophile, caravan thief, sex slave trader, war lord n many more heinous character man.
In Hinduism there is one ultimate god manifesting into many form, you won't understand as you come from a desert death cult famous across the humanity for terrorism, loot, rape n all kind of atrocities...
The idea that mountains act as stabilizers for the Earth is not in conflict with modern geology, despite claims that it is "unscientific." In fact, science reveals that mountains do play a role in stabilizing tectonic plates through processes like:
Mountain Roots: According to the theory of isostasy, mountains have deep "roots" that extend beneath the Earth's surface, balancing the crust. This can be likened to the metaphor of mountains as "stakes" (awtād) that hold the Earth in place.
Plate Tectonics: Mountains form at the boundaries of tectonic plates, and their presence can reduce or redistribute tectonic activity, which contributes to the stability of the Earth’s surface. While mountains do not entirely prevent earthquakes, they do play a role in the larger dynamics of the Earth’s crust.
Thus, the Qur'anic description of mountains as stabilizers can be understood in a way that aligns with modern scientific knowledge. Mountains contribute to the overall equilibrium of the Earth’s crust, much like "stakes" that anchor something in place.
that's cool and all, but in islamic cosmology, allah put down on the earth mountains as pegs to keep the earth on the back of the whale.
@@jantski5084 read the comment again and research about it, you have a misrepressentation of the verse
@@mrfact03s it's not a misrepressentation, quran's cosmology is based and roots from the near eastern mythologies. I highly recommend you do research on near eastern mythologies and you'd be surprised how identical they are to the quran's geocentric flat earth cosmology.
Is there a Discord or something that we can engage in discussion?
I was a Muslim for My whole life just before 5 Month ago i lifted Islam. It's funny how was I'm believing this.
I'm also memorized all Quran but that's nothing makes sense 😅
hopefully your life improved Iluutube! Where are you from mate?
@@VladRacovitaEN I am very happy after leaving Islam, but I hide from my friends and family that I left Islam because if they knew, I would be the end of the world. I am now looking for a way to escape from this society that does not accept my opinion.
Wow. I'd have like 1000 questions about life in Saudi in your position! I see that your country is changing very fast, but I may have propaganda news. I read very discordant and often exaggerated reports about irreligion in Saudi.
I'm from Italy, my girlfriend is from Indonesia and yeah, it was not easy for her to tell to her parents either, parents still now after 3 years do not behave very good.
By the way, you've came here from our 1 hour and 34 mins documentary about pre-islamic arabia right? May I ask how's the content inside compared to your experience first hand?
Stay strong!
@@VladRacovitaEN Well, life in Saudi Arabia is beautiful and there is very high safety to be honest(but it's not because of islam and Muslim, But it's Saudi law and fast service in every thing) and Saudi's didn't care such about Islam they want their country to be developed, And there is no sharia law, a lot of youth group is became atheist everyday but they hide from their family because their family is religion as any old generation. I think Islam is daying there, Especially if you think about crown prince of the country he doesn't even care about Islam that's why he loved by young's, but unfortunately there is no freedom speech and you can't be atheist or follow any religion excepect Islam. Hope you understand my comment my English is not that good at all
Saar me eggz mazlim saar
Lol 😂😂😂😂 Allah is crazy 72 virgins what the hell is going on with dude 😂😂😂😂😂
You insult Arab christians as well moron since they use the same name for the creator
Why Arab Christians use the same name for the creator
Ya, many insane stuff in the coran. Like Mohamad splitting the moon.
Where's the hadith about 72 virgins,there is no authentic mention of 72 virgins, neither in the hadith, not in the Qur'an.
And to br4t I want you to apologise, for your betterment...
@@eobardthawne5246 how come miracles be insane ??
One could say the same about the splitting of sea by Moses.
Or the lactation miracle of st. Bernard. (Lol. He drank the breast milk of 12 year old.)
Quran 21:30 (Surah Al-Anbiya, Ayah 30) is translated as follows:
"Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"
This verse is often interpreted as referring to the unity of the heavens and the earth before they were created and then separated, and it emphasizes the importance of water as a source of life.
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points.
1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars.
Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi.
In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale.
Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas.
In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth.
Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation).
The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature.
In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant.
In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent.
The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability.
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate.
Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points.
Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''
Sunrise Description (18:90):
Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface.
Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...''
Sunset Description (18:86):
Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon.
Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present.
2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view.
3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us.
Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video.
4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
Continue reading next verses 😮
More problems arises 😮
@@aemiliadelroba4022 before we debate are you athiest or do yiu have a religion
Totally 😂 wrong translation and explanation
The arabic letter nun looks like a whale or a fish. I seeeeee.
The letters of our alphabet are often inspired to natural things.
Like, our Latin letter "A" comes from the Greek "α", which comes from the Phoenician "𐤀", which comes from the Egyptian hyeroglyph of a bulls head "𓃾".
The bull has always been considered the most sacred animal in most religions, as we discovered in one of our videos about the bulls!
Also to clarify i am still a subscriber and a Muslim. (marduk is not allah)
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points.
1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars.
Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi.
In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale.
Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas.
In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth.
Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation).
The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature.
In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant.
In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent.
The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability.
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate.
Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points.
Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''
Sunrise Description (18:90):
Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface.
Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...''
Sunset Description (18:86):
Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon.
Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present.
2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view.
3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us.
Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video.
4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@@VladRacovitaEN ok
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Hello this was a theory made by zakariya al qazwini. The verses well they were metaphorically and its says allah created 7 heavens not earths. Now about the earth being flat that was also like a metaphor being used when speaking to the prophet saw. In Quran it says allah created the earth and wraps it over with the day and wraps the day over with the nigh. the word yukawwiru (wraps)
Implys a spherical matter
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points.
1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars.
Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi.
In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale.
Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas.
In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth.
Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation).
The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature.
In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant.
In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent.
The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability.
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate.
Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points.
Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''
Sunrise Description (18:90):
Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface.
Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...''
Sunset Description (18:86):
Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon.
Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present.
2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view.
3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us.
Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video.
4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
@@VladRacovitaENhello vlad, now raise another question. If Muhammad is proven historically can't read. How can he even tap in to the knowledge of past mythology in to such a detailed manners. Have you done any research on how Muhammad can have all those information to the point Qur'an can be made as wholly as today. I don't know if this can be answered shortly. But maybe you have made a video that covered this. If yes, pls let me know which video. Thx
Here we go again !
Re interpreting Quran to fit your claims !😮
@@aemiliadelroba4022 actually i just quoted from Quran i cannont change or twist or lie about whats in the Quran because that is seen as a sin
Let me break down and clarify the points you raised about the scientific interpretations of Qur'anic verses and the comparison with Babylonian mythology.
1. Mountains as Stabilizers (Qur'an 31:10 and 78:6-7)
The verses in question describe mountains as stabilizing the Earth:
Qur'an 31:10: "He created the heavens without any pillars that you can see and placed firm mountains on the Earth so that it does not shake with you..."
Qur'an 78:6-7: "Have We not made the earth a resting place and the mountains as stakes?"
Interpretation of Mountains as Stabilizers:
The Qur'anic language here is metaphorical and aims to convey the stabilizing role that mountains play on Earth. From an Islamic exegetical perspective, these verses do not need to be read as purely scientific statements but rather as descriptions of the world as seen from human experience.
Modern Science and Geology: While the Qur'an speaks of mountains preventing the Earth from shaking, modern geology shows that mountains are the result of tectonic activity and help balance the Earth's crust. Through the process of isostasy, mountains have deep roots that stabilize the Earth's surface, which can be loosely interpreted as the "stakes" mentioned in the Qur'an. Although mountains don't stop earthquakes (which occur due to tectonic shifts), they do contribute to the balance of the Earth's crust.
Thus, while the language is not identical to modern scientific discourse, the metaphorical understanding of mountains providing stability can align with certain geological principles.
2. Invisible Pillars in the Heavens (Qur'an 31:10 and 13:2)
Qur'an 31:10: "He created the heavens without any pillars that you can see..."
Qur'an 13:2: "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see."
Pillars as Metaphor for the Sky's Stability:
These verses mention pillars that are not visible to the human eye. Some interpreters have viewed these "pillars" as symbolic of the unseen forces or laws that keep the heavens suspended. Classical scholars often interpreted these as referring to God’s power and will in maintaining the universe’s order.
Modern Interpretation: From a modern scientific viewpoint, there is no literal need for physical pillars to hold up the sky, but the concept can be understood metaphorically. The heavens (i.e., the universe) are held in place by invisible forces like gravity, which are imperceptible to the naked eye but govern the movement of celestial bodies. In this sense, the "invisible pillars" could refer to the unseen forces that maintain cosmic order.
3. Comparison with Mesopotamian Mythology:
You mentioned that in the video, the creation story of Allah is compared to Marduk, the Babylonian god, and the idea that the Arabs were influenced by neighboring mythologies.
Contextualizing Islamic and Mesopotamian Mythologies:
It's true that cultures in the ancient Middle East, including the Arabian Peninsula, were exposed to the myths and cosmologies of neighboring civilizations, such as the Babylonians, Mesopotamians, and Persians. However, equating Islamic cosmology directly with these earlier myths overlooks key distinctions.
Babylonian Myth of Marduk: Marduk, in Babylonian mythology, creates the world by defeating the sea dragon Tiamat and shaping the Earth from her body. While there may be superficial similarities in certain cosmological motifs, Islamic theology presents a very different concept of creation. The Qur'an emphasizes a single, omnipotent God who creates the universe in a deliberate and orderly manner, without struggle or conflict.
Whale, Bull, and Seven Heavens/Earths: The notion of a whale or bull supporting the Earth is not found in the Qur'an itself, but rather in Isra'iliyyat (narrations from Judeo-Christian traditions) or folklore that entered Islamic thought later. These ideas are not central to Islamic theology and do not reflect the Qur'anic account of creation, which focuses on God's direct and purposeful creation of the universe.
Qur'anic Creation vs. Mythological Creation:
Islamic theology distances itself from mythological concepts of creation involving battles between gods or the world being created from the body of a slain deity. The Qur'an emphasizes that creation is an act of God’s will (Kun fa-yakoon: "Be, and it is"), unlike the complex mythological narratives found in other ancient cultures. While certain cultural ideas might have permeated Islamic folklore, the core theological and cosmological beliefs in Islam are distinct.
4. Qur'an 11:7 and 21:30:
Without knowing exactly what was said in the video, I will offer a general explanation of these verses:
Qur'an 11:7: "And He is the One Who created the heavens and the Earth in six days-and His Throne was upon the waters..."
This verse explains that God's Throne existed over the waters before the creation of the heavens and Earth. While some mythologies also reference primordial waters, in the Qur'anic context, it’s not a battle or conflict but a description of the order before creation. The Throne represents God's authority and dominion over all creation.
Qur'an 21:30: "Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the Earth were joined together as one piece, then We parted them, and We made from water every living thing..."
This verse can be interpreted in light of modern cosmology. The reference to the heavens and Earth being joined together and then separated may resonate with the Big Bang theory, where the universe began as a singularity before expanding. The mention of water as the origin of life aligns with biological understandings that water is essential for life on Earth.
Conclusion:
Scientific Perspective: The Qur'anic descriptions of mountains, invisible pillars, and creation are largely metaphorical, reflecting the language of the time while still being compatible with modern scientific principles when understood correctly. While early interpretations may have been influenced by cultural ideas, the Qur'an itself does not promote myths like the Earth being held by a whale or bull.
Influence from Mythologies: While it's true that ancient Arabian culture was exposed to neighboring mythologies, the Qur'anic narrative remains distinct in its theological message. Islam’s monotheistic understanding of creation by God’s will is fundamentally different from the polytheistic and mythological accounts of neighboring cultures like the Babylonians.
Your assessment that these interpretations of the Qur'an are misinformed or incorrect holds true, especially when considering the Qur'anic verses within their historical, theological, and linguistic context.
So why arab christians use the same name for the creator hundreds of years before islam?
The way you cite the Quran and describe the story kind of reminds me of NonStampCollectors videos
Not familiar with the channel, but now that I've discovered it, I really kind of love, lol. Thank you!
Quran 78:6-7 says have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes
I saw that you commented in multiple answers, so here's the answer to all your points.
1) The claim that Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) originated the idea of the Earth being supported on the back of a whale is historically inaccurate. This concept was well-documented by several earlier scholars.
Ibn Abbas (d. 687 CE), a prominent companion of the Prophet Muhammad, mentioned that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant fish or whale (Nun). This interpretation is found in tafsir works by scholars like Al-Tabari and Al-Qurtubi.
In "Tafsir al-Tabari," Al-Tabari (839-923 CE) includes narrations from Ibn Abbas and other early scholars describing the Earth being carried by a giant fish or whale.
Al-Qurtubi’s "Al-Jami' li Ahkam al-Qur'an" (1214-1273 CE) also references the whale supporting the Earth, citing earlier authorities such as Ibn Abbas.
In "Al-Durr al-Manthur," Al-Suyuti (1445-1505 CE) compiles many traditional narrations, including those about the whale supporting the Earth.
Zakaria Al-Qazwini (1203-1283 CE) did not originate this idea. Instead, he popularized and illustrated these pre-existing cosmological views in his work "Aja'ib al-Makhluqat wa Ghara'ib al-Mawjudat" (The Wonders of Creation).
The idea of how Allah structured the world is not original either.
The Babylonian creation myth, Enuma Elish, describes the Earth being supported by the ocean goddess Tiamat, who takes the form of a massive sea creature.
In Greek mythology, the primordial Titan Atlas was said to hold up the sky, a concept that influenced ideas of Earth being held by a creature or giant.
In Hindu cosmology, the Earth is described as being supported by elephants standing on a giant turtle or serpent.
The Leviathan (Judaism/Christianity), a monstrous sea creature mentioned in the Bible, is associated with the idea of supporting the Earth or influencing its stability.
The idea of the Earth being supported by a whale predates Zakaria Al-Qazwini and is rooted in various ancient mythologies. Al-Qazwini helped popularize these ideas through his detailed illustrations. The concept was already established in Islamic scholarship by figures like Ibn Abbas, Al-Tabari, Al-Qurtubi, and Al-Suyuti. Therefore, attributing the origin of this concept solely to Al-Qazwini is inaccurate.
Lastly, in the Quran, there are verses describing the journeys of Dhul-Qarnayn to the farthest places of the east and west. These verses describe that people living at the edges of the Earth get burned by the sun due to their proximity to the sun's rising and setting points.
Quran 18:90 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he came to the rising of the sun, he found it rising on a people for whom We had not made against it any shield.''
Sunrise Description (18:90):
Dhul-Qarnayn travels to the place where the sun rises and finds people living without any protective shield from the sun's rays. The lack of a shield indicates that these people are directly exposed to the sun, implying they are at the edge of the Earth where the sun rises close to the surface.
Quran 18:86 (Surah Al-Kahf):
''Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it [as if] setting in a spring of dark mud, and he found near it a people...''
Sunset Description (18:86):
Dhul-Qarnayn reaches a place where the sun appears to set in a spring of dark mud, finding people living near this area. This suggests a literal edge where the sun sets close to the Earth's surface, implying a flat horizon.
Lastly, any shape can be wrapped, even a cube or a present.
2) I don't understand what you want to say with Q:78:6-7 ''have we not made the earth a resting place and mountains as stakes''. Q:31:10 clearly states that mountains are "firmly set" (Arabic: رَوَاسِيَ, rawāsiya) which are created to prevent the earth from shaking or shifting (Arabic: أَنْ تَمِيدَ بِكُمْ, an tamīda bikum). This suggests that mountains act as stabilizers for the earth, which is an unscientific view.
3) The Arabic text of the Quran refers to invisible pillars when describing the heavens. In Surah Luqman (31:10), the phrase used is "بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which can be translated as "without pillars that you can see" or "supported by pillars that you cannot see." This indicates that the heavens are held up by pillars that are invisible to us.
Similarly, Surah Ar-Ra'd (13:2) uses the phrase "اللَّهُ الَّذِي رَفَعَ السَّمَاوَاتِ بِغَيْرِ عَمَدٍ تَرَوْنَهَا" which means "Allah is He Who raised the heavens without any pillars that you can see," suggesting that there are indeed supports (pillars) which are not visible to the human eye. Which is an unscientific view, but was shown correctly in the video.
4) I don't understand your point about Q:11:7. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
5) I don't understand your point about Q:21:30. That's what we said too and we showed it clearly in the video.
6) We never mentioned that Allah is Marduk, but that Allah, as a God that emerges with the stories surrounding him and his creation thousands of years later than the Babylonian/Mesopotamian Mythology, creates the world in a very similar way to how Marduk, the chief God in the Babylonian mythology did it, suggesting that Arabs got influenced to create similar mythologies to their neighbours in the Middle East. The whale + bull + 7 earths and 7 heavens is a purely Mesopotamian/Middle Eastern concept.
This is a terrible misinterpretation of the Quranic ayats. You should've consulted a scholar or even chatgpt when making this video. lol
He is linear minded and incapable of thinking critically. What would you expect. See, how his explanation is an age old mainstream layman Quranic explantion. He is sincere alright. He sincerly made this video and replied with such rich content, like how when you don't know the answers and just make your answersheet heavy with additional papers. I'm pissed at myself why I wasted my time watching this video and went on to read his reply.
@@Everythingisperspective3916 lolll same. this guy came across as a man who did a good job researching stuff but totally lost me on this video. made me think if he's a closet islamaphobe.
Wow! What a foolishness!
False story
This youtube channel is full of nonsense
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