It all depends on the betting pattern. If you combine 1) A player who earns very little and might be open to temptation 2) An insignificant match that attracted heavy betting on an unexpected result and 3) A player who performed well below par to produce the unexpected result - well, then you have something that doesn't look good.
Can't hand out bans on stuff that doesn't look good tho, a proper investigation needs to happen with proper evidence linking the player to any betting happening..... this could happen to anyone as a coincidence and they lose their livelihood and dreams because of it? I understand how these companies spot the fraudulent betting through patterns or overbetting on little things that don't usually get as heavily bet on but still need to have solid proof to show other than betting patterns for one match in my opinion. As for dropping 10 points in the average this can happen to any player especially when they know they are already beaten and won't proceed any further in the tournament. Once any irregularities are spotted then keep a closer eye on the individual player for a longer period of time as to gather more information rather than branding the player a cheat straight away over one or two legs. If the irregularities Continues over a period of time and you can show how the betting patters aline with big drop offs in performance compared to betting patterns with other players then you have something to go with but if this is only happened once its like saying a punter isn't allowed to get lucky and a player isn't allowed to slip up and certainly not at the same time. I also believe that the people who might take a punt on this match will be aware that he has nothing to play for and would have been more likely to put money on the opponent knowing she's female and wanting her to win
They must have had something solid on him here. Against Ashton, he did suddenly drop around 10-15 points off of his prior consistent average and his shots at checkouts were embarrassingly bad. It would make you wonder how you'd suddenly go off by *that* much when in every other game he was comfortably around 80 or way above 80 averages. However that alone could be written off as a bad day at the office or the intimidation of playing a ladies player or both. The betting patterns must have sold it on the DRA alongside the sudden drop off a cliff in performance. Would just love more details. It's a shame we don't have something more concrete to go on. Difficult to say one way or another when all they've said was "it was suspicious and he was found to be in breach of the rules" and all he has said is "I didn't do it and they fabricated the outcome." I mean we don't know anything about what they apparently found to prove his guilt.
The last match didn't mean anything as he already knew he was out. He didn't have anything to play for and played terribly, whether that was intentional or not was the question. The strange thing is the DRA can ban him without any concrete evidence, which they have non of, all they have is suspicions
I have a very hard to thinking that this is in any way now leaning toward match fixing vs a betting syndicate feeling confident that a guy who is eliminated from advancing just not giving a crap about the match and playing out the dead rubber.
The MODUS series is fertile soil for match-fixing due to its model. I understand they need to take action against anyone where there's even a sniff of cheating to send out a warning to others. It's plausible that he just had a bad game but you have to put those bad scores in context and make a call.
It's difficult one this he isn't a top player and would expect lots of loose darts. His averages was never great. We really need to look at his scores from previous matches. Darts is easy when it's going good but we all been there on a bad day and can't hit a barn door... maybe scrap the fine but keep the ban
And if there's not enough evidence to fine him £600 then it's OK to ban him and stop him earning anything? How does that make sense? Even if he's only earning 16k a year it keeps him ticking over and able to keep chasing the dream, If anything it should be the other way around if any action is taken it should be a fine unless you can provide betting irregularities over a longer period of time that aline with big dips in form or links to the people making these bets etc you can't ban a guy over one or two legs of darts or even over a single match in which you already knew you weren't going any further in the tournament. Any player can drop 10 points in average from one game to the next in that instance. Definitely a suspect scenario but if something can happen naturally and you suspect foul play then you must be able to demonstrate how without any doubt it didn't happen naturally or you have no proof certainly not enough proof to ban someone in my opinion
Have their been any links found between the people who placed the bets Main surely that is a more better evidence than trying to dissect the match itself
It’s not about the player, it’s betting patterns. As soon as big money is being put down on a certain outcome or result the bookies know! Go ask the punters who put money on him and ask them if they were paid out? I’ll bet diamonds they weren’t.
Can't it just be a case of bettors realise he has nothing to play for bookies priced the game wrong and punters piled in? I think he's innocent. It was a meaningless game in a small comp.
There’s 2 big things that make it impossible for me to form an opinion. One is the betting patterns, the other is how they have decided Ashton is not involved.
Why does Ashton matter? You could count on one hand the number of times both players are involved in the fix across all sports, except maybe for boxing.
There's no way a winner can be involved, especially when winning 4-0 because how is trying to win every leg deemed as cheating? It isn't, because that is the aim from the outset. Even if the bets were on 4-1, the better player usually gets the one leg they need then loses the remainder and has nothing to do with the opponent. It's happened in snooker many times where a player is fixed to lose, for example in the case of Peter Francisco in 1995 when he lost 10-2 to Jimmy White at the World Championship. He knew he could win 2 frames in a best of 19, so won them as soon as he could (he led 2-1) then lost the last 9. A score of 10-0 would have been seen as just a bit too suspicious.
The way he played is almost irrelevant, everyone can have a bad game. The guilty verdict will be based entirely on whether some large bets were placed on that exact outcome, which were entirely out of line with normal betting patterns. A person could ruin almost any lower players career if they wanted to by picking a random match and placing a 20-30k bet on a loss. If that player does lose, they will be under suspicion without having had anything to do with it. If someone had a real grudge or was vindictive as hell they may be prepared to do it.
@@blaineherrington1393 It was on the news and in all the papers... Davey “The Badger” Prins, 43, lost the match 3-0 to “Free” Willy van de Wiel . This was in 2012 , but nothing was ever proven.
Need to know some the details of bets placed, who by and what they were betting (ie 4-0 correct score) before consigning him as guilty. Doesn’t look good for him though.
Presumably it all hinges on the IBIA's evidence of "suspicious betting". I'm not sure what sort of activity they'll be looking for, but I've no doubt that they've seen all this before and they're pretty confident something is fishy. I'm not accusing him of being guilty, but he certainly wouldn't be the first sports person to get into hot water over this sort of thing. Also, if there was anything dodgy going on, trying to pull a fast one using the Modus Super Series makes sense: it's not the PDC, so any would-be fraudsters might assume it would just disappear under the radar.
I'll play devils advocate then. Where do you think the likes of the IBIA get their money from? Betting companies, so what better way to avoid a big loss than falsely accusing one of the players of match fixing? The betting companies use the IBIA "findings" to get out of paying out winnings and the IBIA keep all that membership fee money from the betting companies that keeps them going.
@@BigAlCapwn Betting companies don't work that way. The money would be available almost instantly. There would be nothing withheld. They would already have paid out the money by the time he's accused.
1-00pm The thing about all this massive scope of “”Match Fixing” & dragging someone’s name through the mud , is the fact that there is even bookmakers allowed to tout odds on a simple Darts Game, where there’s betting there’s a scam!!, it’s nothing new by any means , I do agree that Mr. Main made a bit of a fool of himself when he stated that he can’t add up???, the very nature of a game of darts is the numbers on the board, it starts usually at 501 then whatever score you get with 3 darts is deducted from the 501, it’s not rocket science is it. At worst the man is a cheat if they can prove he’s “thrown” a game / match, if it’s not proven that without doubt he’s NOT lost on purpose then he’s Not Guilty it’s as simple as that, & going by his match averages he’s hardly Robin Hood is he???. I say again Any Sport that invites Betting Cash for financial gain is open to a scam somewhere along the line. 😮😮😮😮
It’s very hard to say based on his performance but if they can see betting data showing there’s a huge spike in people betting on him for a 4-0 loss then that’s very suspicious. However, it COULD be bad luck/coincidence so ban seems harsh. You don’t get punished for there being a suspicion of guilt, it needs to be proven IMO
Maybe he has a hidden cooking talent and wins bake off in a few years time. Gets a TV cooking show. But then loses it all when the BBC exposed he's racist. As he once shouted out " I HATE SPADES!" when playing a game of cards. Be worth at least £10 then 🎉🎉😅
Got to be the easiest game in the world to fix, for elite players. They could in theory, miss the target area by a millimeter - on purpose! The suspicious betting pattern needs to be made public before for any of us can make a judgement.
When Grobbelar deliberately let in goals for Liverpool it was so obvious - when Stephen Lee threw snooker games it stood out a mile he was missing shots by a foot. When Main threw his darts match his ability fell out his arse and he threw like a girl with no knickers on.
Bookies and stuff all have cctv, probably really easy for them to link him to the people making the bets just looking at his socials etc and people he is linked to lol
@@jackallen2376 come on, just from his performance alone, something dodgy has gone on, put that together with unusual betting patterns and there's no arguments
Questionable? Please explain. I don't think MVG would ever throw a game. Jack v MVG is like Christiano Ronaldo v me at football! Do you know how wealthy MVG is?
@@michaelcoleman2061 MVGs play until he got to that Scott Williams game was mind blowing, he was almost unbeatable, nobody had 2-3 wins against him. Then he got to that game, he was averaging high as usual beating scot then out of nowhere, his game just tanked and he started missing doubles, throwing wild and lost. Almost every game he has played after that game, Dutch and premier league games, he has put up the same phenomenal performance, now that seems suspicious. I am not saying he did but the way his game tanked after a while is just suspicious. For the right amount, anyone will throw a game
@@olubukola107thank you for your reply x appreciated and measured. What in the name of God would MVG deliberately throw a game? He is a multi millionaire and an absolute savage when it comes to winning x He was suffering with mouth issues and yes his performance dropped significantly. Tell me really do you think one of the greatest dart players of all time would throw a game? He has struggled at times last 2 years maybe as people are now not scared of him. His game will elevate again I sure but suggesting he is dodgy I am sorry but that is complete nonsense x
Just look him in the face and then look at his statements😂😂 He should train lying before release some slightly stupid nonsense. Just bann him for every tournaments where he gould win money.
It all depends on the betting pattern. If you combine 1) A player who earns very little and might be open to temptation 2) An insignificant match that attracted heavy betting on an unexpected result and 3) A player who performed well below par to produce the unexpected result - well, then you have something that doesn't look good.
Good points
Can't hand out bans on stuff that doesn't look good tho, a proper investigation needs to happen with proper evidence linking the player to any betting happening..... this could happen to anyone as a coincidence and they lose their livelihood and dreams because of it? I understand how these companies spot the fraudulent betting through patterns or overbetting on little things that don't usually get as heavily bet on but still need to have solid proof to show other than betting patterns for one match in my opinion. As for dropping 10 points in the average this can happen to any player especially when they know they are already beaten and won't proceed any further in the tournament. Once any irregularities are spotted then keep a closer eye on the individual player for a longer period of time as to gather more information rather than branding the player a cheat straight away over one or two legs. If the irregularities Continues over a period of time and you can show how the betting patters aline with big drop offs in performance compared to betting patterns with other players then you have something to go with but if this is only happened once its like saying a punter isn't allowed to get lucky and a player isn't allowed to slip up and certainly not at the same time. I also believe that the people who might take a punt on this match will be aware that he has nothing to play for and would have been more likely to put money on the opponent knowing she's female and wanting her to win
Happened to me everyone I played thought I was match fixing turned out I'm just shit
They must have had something solid on him here. Against Ashton, he did suddenly drop around 10-15 points off of his prior consistent average and his shots at checkouts were embarrassingly bad. It would make you wonder how you'd suddenly go off by *that* much when in every other game he was comfortably around 80 or way above 80 averages. However that alone could be written off as a bad day at the office or the intimidation of playing a ladies player or both. The betting patterns must have sold it on the DRA alongside the sudden drop off a cliff in performance.
Would just love more details. It's a shame we don't have something more concrete to go on.
Difficult to say one way or another when all they've said was "it was suspicious and he was found to be in breach of the rules" and all he has said is "I didn't do it and they fabricated the outcome." I mean we don't know anything about what they apparently found to prove his guilt.
The last match didn't mean anything as he already knew he was out. He didn't have anything to play for and played terribly, whether that was intentional or not was the question. The strange thing is the DRA can ban him without any concrete evidence, which they have non of, all they have is suspicions
@@madman12377there wont be evidence if someone prepares it well
Surely darts need to release the evidence of betting patterns? He played badly at the end of a long day where the match was dead
I have a very hard to thinking that this is in any way now leaning toward match fixing vs a betting syndicate feeling confident that a guy who is eliminated from advancing just not giving a crap about the match and playing out the dead rubber.
The MODUS series is fertile soil for match-fixing due to its model. I understand they need to take action against anyone where there's even a sniff of cheating to send out a warning to others. It's plausible that he just had a bad game but you have to put those bad scores in context and make a call.
It's difficult one this he isn't a top player and would expect lots of loose darts. His averages was never great. We really need to look at his scores from previous matches. Darts is easy when it's going good but we all been there on a bad day and can't hit a barn door... maybe scrap the fine but keep the ban
😮 fair comment.
And if there's not enough evidence to fine him £600 then it's OK to ban him and stop him earning anything? How does that make sense? Even if he's only earning 16k a year it keeps him ticking over and able to keep chasing the dream, If anything it should be the other way around if any action is taken it should be a fine unless you can provide betting irregularities over a longer period of time that aline with big dips in form or links to the people making these bets etc you can't ban a guy over one or two legs of darts or even over a single match in which you already knew you weren't going any further in the tournament. Any player can drop 10 points in average from one game to the next in that instance. Definitely a suspect scenario but if something can happen naturally and you suspect foul play then you must be able to demonstrate how without any doubt it didn't happen naturally or you have no proof certainly not enough proof to ban someone in my opinion
Have their been any links found between the people who placed the bets Main surely that is a more better evidence than trying to dissect the match itself
Yeah surely himself or someone close put a large bet in him to lose 4.0
@@LukeCoulterrsurely not himself dude
It’s not about the player, it’s betting patterns. As soon as big money is being put down on a certain outcome or result the bookies know! Go ask the punters who put money on him and ask them if they were paid out? I’ll bet diamonds they weren’t.
Can't it just be a case of bettors realise he has nothing to play for bookies priced the game wrong and punters piled in? I think he's innocent. It was a meaningless game in a small comp.
@@medinabello19what u are talking about happens 100x a day. Some must be different here
There’s 2 big things that make it impossible for me to form an opinion. One is the betting patterns, the other is how they have decided Ashton is not involved.
Why does Ashton matter? You could count on one hand the number of times both players are involved in the fix across all sports, except maybe for boxing.
There's no way a winner can be involved, especially when winning 4-0 because how is trying to win every leg deemed as cheating? It isn't, because that is the aim from the outset. Even if the bets were on 4-1, the better player usually gets the one leg they need then loses the remainder and has nothing to do with the opponent. It's happened in snooker many times where a player is fixed to lose, for example in the case of Peter Francisco in 1995 when he lost 10-2 to Jimmy White at the World Championship. He knew he could win 2 frames in a best of 19, so won them as soon as he could (he led 2-1) then lost the last 9. A score of 10-0 would have been seen as just a bit too suspicious.
The way he played is almost irrelevant, everyone can have a bad game. The guilty verdict will be based entirely on whether some large bets were placed on that exact outcome, which were entirely out of line with normal betting patterns. A person could ruin almost any lower players career if they wanted to by picking a random match and placing a 20-30k bet on a loss. If that player does lose, they will be under suspicion without having had anything to do with it. If someone had a real grudge or was vindictive as hell they may be prepared to do it.
I know someone that fixed a darts match i used to work with him ,fixed a match in ths bdo world championships ,dave prins he's called
That a big claim to make on a random UA-cam darts page!!!!
@@blaineherrington1393 It was on the news and in all the papers... Davey “The Badger” Prins, 43, lost the match 3-0 to “Free” Willy van de Wiel . This was in 2012 , but nothing was ever proven.
There must have been a substantial amount of money placed on Lisa Ashton to win 4-0 on accounts with links to him 🤔
Need to know some the details of bets placed, who by and what they were betting (ie 4-0 correct score) before consigning him as guilty. Doesn’t look good for him though.
I want to see the evidence of the betting. As for the score seen worse.
Presumably it all hinges on the IBIA's evidence of "suspicious betting". I'm not sure what sort of activity they'll be looking for, but I've no doubt that they've seen all this before and they're pretty confident something is fishy. I'm not accusing him of being guilty, but he certainly wouldn't be the first sports person to get into hot water over this sort of thing. Also, if there was anything dodgy going on, trying to pull a fast one using the Modus Super Series makes sense: it's not the PDC, so any would-be fraudsters might assume it would just disappear under the radar.
You have to look and see if the lines fluctuated before the match. His history doesn't matter.
I'll play devils advocate then. Where do you think the likes of the IBIA get their money from? Betting companies, so what better way to avoid a big loss than falsely accusing one of the players of match fixing? The betting companies use the IBIA "findings" to get out of paying out winnings and the IBIA keep all that membership fee money from the betting companies that keeps them going.
@@BigAlCapwn Betting companies don't work that way. The money would be available almost instantly. There would be nothing withheld. They would already have paid out the money by the time he's accused.
It's irrelevant unless there's suspicious betting patterns
I don’t think it was match fixing but he definitely wasn’t trying his best which is fair considering he was out already
Hmmm what has been uncovered with the betting, who placed the WINNING bets on 4-0.
They don't make these allegations without serious evidence
1-00pm The thing about all this massive scope of “”Match Fixing” & dragging someone’s name through the mud , is the fact that there is even bookmakers allowed to tout odds on a simple Darts Game, where there’s betting there’s a scam!!, it’s nothing new by any means , I do agree that Mr. Main made a bit of a fool of himself when he stated that he can’t add up???, the very nature of a game of darts is the numbers on the board, it starts usually at 501 then whatever score you get with 3 darts is deducted from the 501, it’s not rocket science is it. At worst the man is a cheat if they can prove he’s “thrown” a game / match, if it’s not proven that without doubt he’s NOT lost on purpose then he’s Not Guilty it’s as simple as that, & going by his match averages he’s hardly Robin Hood is he???. I say again Any Sport that invites Betting Cash for financial gain is open to a scam somewhere along the line. 😮😮😮😮
I love the comment from him with the eye drops, excuses excuses 😂😂
They are all like that at the modus super series
It's "Norwich CITY FC" 😮
It’s very hard to say based on his performance but if they can see betting data showing there’s a huge spike in people betting on him for a 4-0 loss then that’s very suspicious. However, it COULD be bad luck/coincidence so ban seems harsh. You don’t get punished for there being a suspicion of guilt, it needs to be proven IMO
I've got a signed set of darts by him guess thay are not with much now 😮
Maybe he has a hidden cooking talent and wins bake off in a few years time. Gets a TV cooking show. But then loses it all when the BBC exposed he's racist. As he once shouted out " I HATE SPADES!" when playing a game of cards.
Be worth at least £10 then 🎉🎉😅
probably worth more than they were before this.
Got to be the easiest game in the world to fix, for elite players. They could in theory, miss the target area by a millimeter - on purpose! The suspicious betting pattern needs to be made public before for any of us can make a judgement.
When Grobbelar deliberately let in goals for Liverpool it was so obvious - when Stephen Lee threw snooker games it stood out a mile he was missing shots by a foot. When Main threw his darts match his ability fell out his arse and he threw like a girl with no knickers on.
Imagine a sport so poor that you can be in the top 150 players in the world and earn less than $10k in a year 🤔
Bookies and stuff all have cctv, probably really easy for them to link him to the people making the bets just looking at his socials etc and people he is linked to lol
Sounds to me the betting companies only reported because they didn't want to pay out lol
What a mug have a good carrer ahead of him messed it up
To be honest i think he's guilty of being nothing more than a shit darts player
I think hes just crap at darts.
Off course he's guilty, all who are found guilty protest their innocent,
If you were innocent and you’ve been found wrongfully guilty. What else is there to do?
@@jackallen2376 come on, just from his performance alone, something dodgy has gone on, put that together with unusual betting patterns and there's no arguments
Oh i thought it was going to be someone important (lol).
MVGs final performance at the 2024 World Championships was actually questionable.
Questionable? Please explain. I don't think MVG would ever throw a game. Jack v MVG is like Christiano Ronaldo v me at football! Do you know how wealthy MVG is?
@@michaelcoleman2061 MVGs play until he got to that Scott Williams game was mind blowing, he was almost unbeatable, nobody had 2-3 wins against him. Then he got to that game, he was averaging high as usual beating scot then out of nowhere, his game just tanked and he started missing doubles, throwing wild and lost. Almost every game he has played after that game, Dutch and premier league games, he has put up the same phenomenal performance, now that seems suspicious. I am not saying he did but the way his game tanked after a while is just suspicious. For the right amount, anyone will throw a game
@@olubukola107thank you for your reply x appreciated and measured. What in the name of God would MVG deliberately throw a game? He is a multi millionaire and an absolute savage when it comes to winning x He was suffering with mouth issues and yes his performance dropped significantly. Tell me really do you think one of the greatest dart players of all time would throw a game? He has struggled at times last 2 years maybe as people are now not scared of him. His game will elevate again I sure but suggesting he is dodgy I am sorry but that is complete nonsense x
What a statement to make!!!
@@dereknagle go on please?
Innocent until proven Guilty and not enough to say he was Guilty in this and so he is innocent in my eyes .
Well this is a UA-cam video not a trial..
@@jacob4690 Still same scenario ..In darts players hit form and go off form ..Some guys cant play as well v woman also is a fact .
Free Jack Main hes innocent !!
Just look him in the face and then look at his statements😂😂
He should train lying before release some slightly stupid nonsense.
Just bann him for every tournaments where he gould win money.
Some get put off when they play a woman…
wht the fuck are you on about, its not the 80s anymore lad
Match fixing…. In a pub game?🤣🤣🤣🤣
you only watch football do ya