It was a PR tactic by Germany, since buckshot technically violates the Hague Convention they thought they could save face by claiming they were being treated unfairly
@@jacobackley502 the US signed the 1899 Hague convention but didn't ratify the part that talks about deforming bullets. Not that it mattered, since buckshot is shot and doesn't fall under it due to not being hollow or soft point. But it's all irrelevant since the USA basically said, you know what aren't you the bastards that came up with flame throwers? Aint you the f**kers that came up with poison gas and started using it? And then issued a bunch of threats that they'd execute german soldiers if Germany would start executing US soldiers for carrying shotguns. Well they probably did it in a more diplomatic way but that's the gist or it.
Corporal Alvin York was a total badass. He took out a German battalion of 35 machine guns, killed 32, and captured 132 with only a M1917 Enfield rifle and a M1911 pistol!
No doubt he was a great hero. Still, by that time in the war the average German infantryman was begging the enemy to take them prisoner. After all, who wants to be the last one killed just before total surrender?
When you speak of Alvin York please watch your language he was a good Christian man. After the war TV people tried to get him to lie about how good a serial tasted when he had never tried it he told them know I can't do that that's a lie
The M1911 also appeared in every Call Of Duty game as a testament to it's history, In WW1 and WW2 soldiers like York himself were taught to hold the .45 one handed and cup the magazine where as modern handling is 2 handed
......we had them in our submarine small arms locker , used when in port standing duty watch . That was in 1983 ! So you nay sayers are wrong , this man was telling the truth ! My dad had same , and was to be mine . When my dad died , my sisters took that and many more fine weapons ! Oh well , wish I'd of gotten my inheritance ! Peace !
........hey there Dave ! I absolutely love the M1911A1 , and think it was one of the greatest handguns ever made . I also had a 1873 Springfield trapdoor 45/70 . Breach loading rifle , which I also bagged many deer with it back in the 19 70 ' s , up till 1983 . I feel so blessed to have had it for a nice chunk of my life . Also had a few Japanese made Mauser rifles which 1 of them had the Imperial logo , a Chrysanthemum . Hard to get ammo for , due to strange cartridge , something like 7. 5 mm not standard 7. 62 mm . I believe the German Mauser was 7 mm straight up . My dad had a bayonet for 1 of the Japanese Mauser . Had a beautiful German Luger too . Dad loved the W W 2 firearms ! We had a 308 Royal Enfield , and a 303 Lee Enfield . Shot them all and kept them cleaned and lightly oiled . I hope my sister , whom now possess them , to be kind and let me have the aforementioned ones . She only sees dollars and cents , and never shot or cleaned them . My dad had them and many more . He had a small shop in Dolton Illinois that had blueing tanks and had many rifles back to mint condition . He not only collected firearms , but also restored antique Indian motorcycles and 1 of a kind antique aircraft . A 1939 Waco UPF - 7 biplane and a 1932 Sparrow Hawk ! They are all gone now , and sister has stories of where they went . My memories will never fade , of an only boy , promised all . My mother has had dementia , so sister took over . Just memories now . Peace brother and thanks for your service ! Maranatha !
Back in the day, shotgun shells were paper (though they made reloadable brass shells) In the conditions of WW1 trench warfare, the paper would become damp, and swell and foul the shotgun It's a great gun, I have a commercial one. But when the ammo cant sustain the conditions, the gun is useless
I wonder if America truly appreciates just how fortunate we are that John Moses Browning was on America’s side. His genius armed the free world. The 1911 pistol, the BAR, “Ma Deuce,” and both .30 and .50 caliber airplane machine guns, to name just a few. My dad who fought in the Philippines told me the Japanese were so afraid of the BAR that the BAR man was always singled out as the first one aimed at.
I carried a Stevens Model 520-30 in Nam...damn fine weapon and the bayonet was very effective when needed! I think that shotgun was actually developed in WW2...it's worth a small fortune today! My buddy carried a Winchester Model 1200, also a fine weapon for close quarter combat.
I had a buddy got one of those shotguns from his grandfather. He actually used the gun Dove hunting. Tried to tell him it needed to be put up and saved, he kept right on using it telling me it was the only shotgun he had.
I have owned about 10 1911s in my 62 years on earth. Learned the 1911 during army officers training in 1980. I now own 5 1911s. Yes I also own HK VP9 and an FN FNX. 45ACP, but my favorite pistol is my 1911s. My first shotgun is a used Remington 870 Wingmaster that I had currently down to 22 inches and attached a Choate extended magazine tube. I rounds of 12 gauge buckshot and slugs. I got a semi auto some years later, Remngton VersaMax Tactical. A shotgun and a 1911. Can't beat it.
the gun cinematography is pretty bad- pulls a 1911 from a holster, and cocks the hammer? Not the right way to carry one... And the first couple pics of the 1911 are not even a USGI model
Did you notice he said the American "Enfield"? The USA was using the springfeild. The British were using the Enfield. The Lee Enfeild short magazine mark 1
@@kevdura That reference was to the Model 1917 rifle which was manufactured in the USA by Winchester, Remington and the Eddystone, PA plant. The Model 1917 was a .30-06 chambered derivative of the Enfield designed Pattern 14 rifle. The P14 was being manufactured in the USA for the British military just prior to the start of the war. England had contracted with U.S. manufacturers to produce this rifle for them. The British were also introducing the new .276 cartridge with this rifle to replace the .303. At the start of hostilities the British decided to hold off on the P14 changeover and kept the Lee Enfield in service. The logistics of changing rifles and cartridges was too much to handle while fighting the war. The USA found itself short of 1903 Springfield rifles in 1917 with the rapid expansion of the armed forces. The Springfield Armory could not produce enough 1903 rifles to equip the all of the soldiers being drafted. The U.S. government found a solution in the British P14 rifle that was being manufactured in the USA just a few years earlier. The government purchased the patent and tooling from the British for pennies on the dollar and began producing the slightly altered Model 1917 (.30-06) to equip our troops. Thus the “British rifle”. The design originated with the British but was used in combat in WWI by the Americans out of the need for more rifles.
You DO realize that in your discussion of the 1911, at 4:47 you show the picture of the Argentine Ballister Molina? This adaptation of the original 1911 using a pivot trigger and distinctive serrations on the slide is unmistakable. I would think a fancy production budget would do a better job.
When I arrived in-country Vietnam for the first time in 1966, I saw several different shotguns being carried by U.S. forces. The most recognizable was the Model 97 Winchester. I never saw one with a bayonet attached but, the Model 97 shotguns did have the bayonet lug. I don't remember if any other model shotgun had a bayonet lug. The prevalent 12 gauge ammunition, at that time, had brass shells. I assume that this was because the paper shotgun shells of that era might not have done well in the intensely wet conditions of Vietnam. I don't know if the brass shells were replaced by the more environmentally stable plastic shells when they became readily available. I actually don't remember seeing many shotguns later in that conflict. I saw a 12 gauge in action at one time and I decided that this would be my home defense weapon of choice. I have a pair of 12 gauge shotguns with 20 inch barrels in my home. Probably one of the most unique 12 GA rounds was used during the Rhodesian conflict. It was named the Brush Round and consisted of half #2 Buckshot and half #2 shot. The flechette round was interesting also. Recently, I have changed from 00 buckshot loads to a slug. The reason for this is not to hit my guardian dog (a Great Pyrenees) who would always be in close quarters with any intruder. However, the only time I have fired a weapon in defense of my home and animals is to use a 38 special revolver, with a shot cartridge to dispatch a large rattlesnake which was threatening my dogs.
The funniest story told about WW1 was Germany’s reaction to use of shotguns by the US. Trench guns were so effective the Germans complained they shouldn’t be used in warfare, as it caused “unnecessary suffering” and essentially made combat unfair in the trenches. Really, says the nation that introduced mustard gas and flamethrowers to the battlefield 😂😂
York well earned his MOH. He had a distinct advantage over his peers from his hunting background, and the fact that he took time to aim, and wasn't rattled by the enemy fire. Perhaps God was watching over him or gifted him with the calm courage he exhibited. Either way, he was a fine example of a Christian warrior.
I carry both. If I have a backup it's my .357 Magnum. I carry a 1911A1 in .45ACP, and the Mossberg 500 12-gauge police package. Dear old dad carried the same, basically, when fighting the Huks in the Philippines, the Korean War, Indochina (later just Laos after the split). Sometimes the Thompson sub-machine gun. My boys went back to larger caliber sidearms after they returned from Afghanistan.
The soldier at 7:49, has an American Springfield 1903, in his hands. The iron sight on it was used on a later model well after WW1. The TV show "the Pacific" has a correct Springfield 1903, with these sights, at Guadalcanal. There weren't enough Garands to go around, so the Marines got WW1 era Springfields with the updated iron sights.
There aren’t many guns that have a distinctive sound but there is nothing like the distinctive sound of the pump shotgun chambering a round. Click, clack. All it needs is a sign to pop up saying “Farm for Sale”.
Then there's the lesser issued Remington Model 10 (wooden heat guard, requires special bayonet, only one opening in receiver) and the Ithaca, however, the 1897 will always be on my Grail Gun list.
@@mirycreek And the Winchester Model 1912 Pump Action Shotgun. Most of the Trench Shotguns issued to American Soldiers in WW1 were either Winchester 1897 or Remington Model 1910 Trench Shotguns. I believe they did make a few Trench Shotguns for the Winchester Model 1912 Pump Action Shotgun.
I own a Model 37 Ithaca left to me by my father. It’s a deer slayer model with the shorter barrel with rifle sights on it instead of a bead sight. I love it. I’m pretty sure mine has no disconnect so it can be slam fired but I haven’t tested it with ammo. When tested dry firing the trigger doesn’t have a reset however so I’m pretty sure it’s before they started adding a disconnect.
My dad has a 1897. It wasn't a trench gun. I will always remember it as the "thumb buster" as the bolt just about took off the knuckle of my thumb while cyclingit. That's when he said that it's a "thumb buster". Lol thanks for the heads up. Sometimes lost, is the fact that it's a takedown gun. Pretty cool feature. It's an old gun, and only gets low brass nowadays. I would love to have a new one that I would feel safe feeding buckshot.
bro that gun not only survived wars but loved every damn second of it. pump that shit like you've got a pair. oh god it killed me inside to see that.......
Interesting fact about Alvin York and the way he did it was he started picking off Germans in the back of the formation similar to how you would hunt turkeys , if you shoot the ones in front they will see their comrades dropping however if you go back to front then nobody knows all their buddy’s have been gunned down until they turn around and see their by themselves that’s how he captured all the Germans , by treating it like a turkey shoot
The Mossberg 590A1 is the best decendant of this shotgun. Having been at WWI re enactments in a Trench with an MP-18 I think I might prefer the MP18 over a shotgun for Trench clearing. You just can't fire a shotgun fast enough if there are a lot of enemy around the corner you turn.
Ah someone else who knows the truth, Spencer/bannerman made the first pump around 1882. People seem to forget and think Winchester was the first which it was not. I've been trying to get a Spencer 12 for a short while now. If spencer/bannerman had stayed in the game somehow who knows what we would have now.
@@commanderwhite12 a lot of those were used as riot guns for police departments and in the mining riots they're still around I've seen a couple of different ones and they were some used by the military it just was never officially adopted by the military but it was adopted by different police municipalities
Good Ole American hunters on turkerys..... "we pick the back ones off first as to no alert the front ones they're getting picked one at a time" not verbatim obviously but that made me laugh so hard. Damn my boys yall got taken out by turkey tactics.
Two of my favorite weapons are the tactical shorter barreled pump-action 12-gauge shotguns and specifically the m1911 A1. I've got over a dozen of them you could say I have a bit of an addiction problem with the 1911. I started collecting them many years ago. My first pistol was given to me by my grandfather. It was an old Colt that he had in the war somehow I guess you took it apart and mailed it back piece by piece gave it to me. I fell in love with that firearm. Since then... I do all my own gunsmithing when it comes to the 1911 and the Beretta 92 series. The 1911 has stood the test of time and it will never ever ever fade Out. Just because the military doesn't use it anymore.. And by the way there are some small groups in the military that still carry variance of the 1911... But either way in the civilian population it's never going to go away. It's an excellent competitive firearm and in my opinion it is perhaps the safest pistol on the planet. There's no accidental discharge with the 1911. You have to fuck up real real real bad to get a 1911 to discharged accidentally without you pulling the trigger. Definitely stood the test of time. anyway thanks for reading my rant. Wonderful's video very well-thought-out and very well-executed. Stay safe out there.
I kind of get the impression that this guy has very little knowledge of the 1897 shotgun. It's funny to watch him struggle and use creative terminology.
I tried firing a shotgun after being put in a wheelchair and it was comical. My first shot sent me ass over apple cart backwards. Should have seen that coming. Second shot was better, as I turned the chair to an angle, but having no working abs didn't bode well and I almost went over anyways. The next thought was to throttle down and try a lesser guage and found I could only handle a .410 w/ any safety and accuracy and gun control is, after all, about accuracy, right?
The 1917 revolvers were pretty good guns.I wouldnt feel underarmed with either the 1897 or 1917 today.Imo the 1897, even without the bayonet, looks plain mean
Did anyone catch the roll marks on the 1911? It was an Argentine ballester molina. At least the slide was. I don't know if the Argentines copied the 1911 or the 1911A1, but the frame had the little cutout behind the trigger of an A1. So is the pistol shown a mutt, or is it a true ballester molina?
Damn. Imagine being German infantry, and a American jumps into the trench and dumps the quick full shotgun load, and then pulls out a 1911 Colt. Pure fear.
The 1893 wasn’t the first working pump shotgun the spencer slide action shotgun has that honor though the Winchester was the first commercially successful pump shotgun
Contrary to popular belief, the Germans didn’t make a diplomatic protest because those trench shotguns were super effective. The more accurate reason behind the protest was because a lot of countries depicted Germany as the “evil” ones. So it was a matter of time for the Germans to strike back at their enemies, with say, a claim that the US was using a weapon agains the Geneva convention. This was supposed to make the US look bad much like Britain did to Germany with claims of barbarism with sawtooth bayonets, flamethrowers and gas. I’m actuality, the trench shotguns that went to France only served a small number on the frontlines. An estimated 4000 went overseas to serve, but only 1000 saw frontline action. The rest were issued to MP guards, POW camp guards & aviators begins the lines. And even the ones that saw service didn’t have much of a drastic impact. The army issued the soldiers who had them paper shotgun shells since that was the most accessible ammunition to them. These paper shotgun shells would be a repetitive problem throughout the conflict as they would swell up with moisture in the trenches and constantly jam the gun. Some records state that on a few trench raids, some AEF soldiers equipped with shotguns could only shoot off about three or four rounds before the action jammed to a wet cartridge. To alleviate this, the army eventually issued brass shotgun shells which were much better but they were issued within the last few months of the war. So as a recap, these trench guns weren’t those super guns that won the war. But they did serve a role, and that’s better than nothing.
What were soldiers thoughts on the 1911 pistol? What impact did it have on the western front? How was it used did every infantry man have it o only officers?
A lot of people don't know this when the US government put a call out that day what to change their handguns for something with more stopping power. One of competitors was from Germany and they had made a handful of German Luger chambered in 45. One of the main reason for government did not go with them was the fact they could not be mass produced. The government felt that the gun was over engineered even though it worked perfectly it just wasn't suited for the American military. As we will know that Germany did not stop making the gun they just started using 9 mm ammunition. During world war II one of Germany's biggest problems they could not mass produce the gun. Every piece is hand fitted to that particular gun. Most of the larger pieces are serial numbered so that way if somehow when taking the gun apart and it got mixed with other parts from another German Luger the gunsmith right now what pieces went with what gun.
It's a Winchester pump son. Don't be so gentle racking the action. They don't work well that way. Rack it like an adrenaline filled soldier and it will work just fine.
You guys don't have a better person to talk about the shotguns? 4:00 who is this long bob haired dude? Im not sure what he is trying to show with the shotgun? And the information he gave was non sense. A 5 years old can say the same thing. Don't y'all have a better person who really knows what he's talking about?
@ 4:41 - Of course what’s shown is NOT the 1911 model used during WWI (M1911). What’s shown is a 1911A1 which wasn’t adopted until 1924. And @ 11:03 - Just to be clear, not Remington Arms Company but Remington Rand Company - the typewriter company. Remington Rand was one of the largest producers of 1911A1 for WW2 also.
If you will know it was the Germans who were saying that was unfair for us to use shotguns. But they were using chlorine gas on others. It is a mistake to let the enemy to dictate the rules of war. We don't need to fight on their terms. They were just angry that so many Americans were good with a shotgun. A lot of the good old boys down south that's all they had. It was the best weapon to use in brushy areas and it still is.
I've read that some 1897 shotguns used in WWI were in the riot configuration without the heat shield and bayonet lug. Is this true? I recently bought one made in 1918 for $400. Also, is it ok to shoot modern buckshot or high brass game loads through it? Sorry, I keep finding conflicting info and don't know who to trust
Great question. I own two M1897 shotguns and have purposed to understand them as much as possible. I don't know about trench gun history/configuration particulars but as regards your second question; prior to approximately 1914, the steel should not be trusted. I believe it was called "Damascus" steel. Don't trust it with modern high brass. Also, the modern12 gauge cartridge length of 2&3/4 inches was standardized around 1928/29. Prior to that there were 2&1/2 and 2&5/8 shells in circulation resulting in some guns having a slightly shorter chamber. A 2&1/2 chamber will develop potentially dangerous pressure if a 2&3/4 round is fired due to the shell casing expansion against the forcing cone. The only way to tell is to have a knowledgeable gun smith measure the chamber. Remember, just because you can chamber a 2&3/4 round does not mean it's safe to fire. The M97 ran from 1897-1957 meaning that roughly half of the guns you'll see are questionable for the above reasons. So long as you keep those two gotchas in mind you can safely shop for what will be the best shotgun you've ever owned!
Because NOTHING says "EFF YOU AND THE GUY RIGHT NEXT TO YOU!" like a12 ga. with a bayonet on it, that's why. Unless, of course, it's the 40mm pump action grenade launcher by China Lake Arms..... [yeah. look that bad boy up for your 'bloop-gasm' 😁]
la pistola del minuto 12.38, no es una Col1911. Es una Ballester Molina, argentina. El segrinado de la corredera en grupos de 3 estria las identifica aun antes de leer los marcajes.
wait.. shotguns are "inhumane" but chemical weapons and flame throwers are fine?
Yes they are. And Joe Biden agrees.
German cognitive dissonance 101
It was a PR tactic by Germany, since buckshot technically violates the Hague Convention they thought they could save face by claiming they were being treated unfairly
@GodZpeed X7 it does. Shotguns fire projectiles that deform (lead buckshot). The US never signed the convention and thus doesn't care
@@jacobackley502 the US signed the 1899 Hague convention but didn't ratify the part that talks about deforming bullets. Not that it mattered, since buckshot is shot and doesn't fall under it due to not being hollow or soft point.
But it's all irrelevant since the USA basically said, you know what aren't you the bastards that came up with flame throwers? Aint you the f**kers that came up with poison gas and started using it? And then issued a bunch of threats that they'd execute german soldiers if Germany would start executing US soldiers for carrying shotguns. Well they probably did it in a more diplomatic way but that's the gist or it.
Corporal Alvin York was a total badass. He took out a German battalion of 35 machine guns, killed 32, and captured 132 with only a M1917 Enfield rifle and a M1911 pistol!
My favorite and first war hero,killed to save his friends lives .
No doubt he was a great hero. Still, by that time in the war the average German infantryman was begging the enemy to take them prisoner. After all, who wants to be the last one killed just before total surrender?
When you speak of Alvin York please watch your language he was a good Christian man. After the war TV people tried to get him to lie about how good a serial tasted when he had never tried it he told them know I can't do that that's a lie
The M1911 also appeared in every Call Of Duty game as a testament to it's history, In WW1 and WW2 soldiers like York himself were taught to hold the .45 one handed and cup the magazine where as modern handling is 2 handed
I carried the M1911A1 while in the Army from 1976 into the 80s until the Military switched to Berettas.
Don't lie
Nobody cares
......we had them in our submarine small arms locker , used when in port standing duty watch . That was in 1983 ! So you nay sayers are wrong , this man was telling the truth ! My dad had same , and was to be mine . When my dad died , my sisters took that and many more fine weapons ! Oh well , wish I'd of gotten my inheritance ! Peace !
........hey there Dave ! I absolutely love the M1911A1 , and think it was one of the greatest handguns ever made . I also had a 1873 Springfield trapdoor 45/70 . Breach loading rifle , which I also bagged many deer with it back in the 19 70 ' s , up till 1983 . I feel so blessed to have had it for a nice chunk of my life . Also had a few Japanese made Mauser rifles which 1 of them had the Imperial logo , a Chrysanthemum . Hard to get ammo for , due to strange cartridge , something like 7. 5 mm not standard 7. 62 mm . I believe the German Mauser was 7 mm straight up . My dad had a bayonet for 1 of the Japanese Mauser . Had a beautiful German Luger too . Dad loved the W W 2 firearms ! We had a 308 Royal Enfield , and a 303 Lee Enfield . Shot them all and kept them cleaned and lightly oiled . I hope my sister , whom now possess them , to be kind and let me have the aforementioned ones . She only sees dollars and cents , and never shot or cleaned them . My dad had them and many more . He had a small shop in Dolton Illinois that had blueing tanks and had many rifles back to mint condition . He not only collected firearms , but also restored antique Indian motorcycles and 1 of a kind antique aircraft . A 1939 Waco UPF - 7 biplane and a 1932 Sparrow Hawk ! They are all gone now , and sister has stories of where they went . My memories will never fade , of an only boy , promised all . My mother has had dementia , so sister took over . Just memories now . Peace brother and thanks for your service ! Maranatha !
@@georgehays4908 I have a problem with gays. If you don’t, you are brainwashed.
No mention of the problem of paperhull shotgun shells swelling, causing the army to start issue of Brass shells
PasoFreak they left out important information? Otherwise pretty informative video
Back in the day, shotgun shells were paper (though they made reloadable brass shells)
In the conditions of WW1 trench warfare, the paper would become damp, and swell and foul the shotgun
It's a great gun, I have a commercial one. But when the ammo cant sustain the conditions, the gun is useless
I wonder if America truly appreciates just how fortunate we are that John Moses Browning was on America’s side. His genius armed the free world. The 1911 pistol, the BAR, “Ma Deuce,” and both .30 and .50 caliber airplane machine guns, to name just a few. My dad who fought in the Philippines told me the Japanese were so afraid of the BAR that the BAR man was always singled out as the first one aimed at.
Doug,let us not forget the Browning hi power!
Veteran grandfather was a BAR man in the 50s. His drill instructor said everyone on the enemy side would be pointing at him 😅
Imagine you being a German soldier in WW1 and a American with a shotgun got to your trench and saying "adios"
Or just “Sianara Motherfucker” 😂😂
@@gorilla_cuck_enjoyer4936 sayonara*
Hasta la vista, Baby.
All feet are the same!
...saying 'adios' with the suffix motherf**ker...
This channel reminds me so much of the history channel of old. Constant history videos great channel👍🏽
Reminds me of the history channel modern marvels back in 2003-2004
I carried a Stevens Model 520-30 in Nam...damn fine weapon and the bayonet was very effective when needed! I think that shotgun was actually developed in WW2...it's worth a small fortune today! My buddy carried a Winchester Model 1200, also a fine weapon for close quarter combat.
Thank you for your service Sir.
Awesome story. Thank u for ur service. Did u guys use buckshot or slugs ?
Any stories???
@@navyphyrfitr6550 using #4 buckshot and slugs it proved to be a very effective weapon!
No 00 buckshot?.
One of the best stories Ive heard props to MOH York
I had a buddy got one of those shotguns from his grandfather. He actually used the gun Dove hunting.
Tried to tell him it needed to be put up and saved, he kept right on using it telling me it was the only shotgun he had.
I am honored to equip a 1911 pistol while serving in the Taiwan Army,
it is a very powerful side weapon.
There's still a version of the "trench gun" available today. Mossberg 590(A1) in the 20" variant can be had with the bayonet lug.
I have one. It is exquisite as a weapon.
@@hurleymacmaster8262 I have the 18" 590A1. No bayonet lug but still a great firearm.
EVEN with all the options in today's market for personal protection I consider the 1911 & pump shotgun to still be great choices 🇺🇸
I have owned about 10 1911s in my 62 years on earth. Learned the 1911 during army officers training in 1980. I now own 5 1911s. Yes I also own HK VP9 and an FN FNX. 45ACP, but my favorite pistol is my 1911s.
My first shotgun is a used Remington 870 Wingmaster that I had currently down to 22 inches and attached a Choate extended magazine tube. I rounds of 12 gauge buckshot and slugs. I got a semi auto some years later, Remngton VersaMax Tactical. A shotgun and a 1911. Can't beat it.
@@ms.annthrope415 I am certainly with you on that 100%👍
Wow that’s incredible... Sgt York was one hell of a badass!
I like how they spoke back then too.
You should watch the movie made after him, its real good.
There is a movie called, "SGT YORK".
It's telling of how he came to fight is worth seeing.
@@TheManWithoutAName1120 na
@@finalchapter24k Nope
Someone who actually knew a damn thing about firearms would be nice.
Exactly!
@Robert Smith yeah wtf was that
the gun cinematography is pretty bad- pulls a 1911 from a holster, and cocks the hammer? Not the right way to carry one... And the first couple pics of the 1911 are not even a USGI model
Did you notice he said the American "Enfield"? The USA was using the springfeild. The British were using the Enfield. The Lee Enfeild short magazine mark 1
@@kevdura That reference was to the Model 1917 rifle which was manufactured in the USA by Winchester, Remington and the Eddystone, PA plant. The Model 1917 was a .30-06 chambered derivative of the Enfield designed Pattern 14 rifle. The P14 was being manufactured in the USA for the British military just prior to the start of the war. England had contracted with U.S. manufacturers to produce this rifle for them. The British were also introducing the new .276 cartridge with this rifle to replace the .303. At the start of hostilities the British decided to hold off on the P14 changeover and kept the Lee Enfield in service. The logistics of changing rifles and cartridges was too much to handle while fighting the war. The USA found itself short of 1903 Springfield rifles in 1917 with the rapid expansion of the armed forces. The Springfield Armory could not produce enough 1903 rifles to equip the all of the soldiers being drafted. The U.S. government found a solution in the British P14 rifle that was being manufactured in the USA just a few years earlier. The government purchased the patent and tooling from the British for pennies on the dollar and began producing the slightly altered Model 1917 (.30-06) to equip our troops. Thus the “British rifle”. The design originated with the British but was used in combat in WWI by the Americans out of the need for more rifles.
You DO realize that in your discussion of the 1911, at 4:47 you show the picture of the Argentine Ballister Molina? This adaptation of the original 1911 using a pivot trigger and distinctive serrations on the slide is unmistakable. I would think a fancy production budget would do a better job.
Nice catch! I was going to mention it as well. There were a lot of details about the Colt Automatic Pistol that they failed to mention.
@@tigerman3 Yep. Gun Jesus taught me all I need to know of the 1911 not Hollyweird :)
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Good eyes
This just makes me want to get another shotgun.
Could these actors move any slower during the reenactments.. lol
Yes
Shhhh! They’re hunting wabbits!
It's a thing of beauty, a work of art. And deadly to our enemies!
When I arrived in-country Vietnam for the first time in 1966, I saw several different shotguns being carried by U.S. forces. The most recognizable was the Model 97 Winchester. I never saw one with a bayonet attached but, the Model 97 shotguns did have the bayonet lug. I don't remember if any other model shotgun had a bayonet lug.
The prevalent 12 gauge ammunition, at that time, had brass shells. I assume that this was because the paper shotgun shells of that era might not have done well in the intensely wet conditions of Vietnam.
I don't know if the brass shells were replaced by the more environmentally stable plastic shells when they became readily available. I actually don't remember seeing many shotguns later in that conflict.
I saw a 12 gauge in action at one time and I decided that this would be my home defense weapon of choice. I have a pair of 12 gauge shotguns with 20 inch barrels in my home.
Probably one of the most unique 12 GA rounds was used during the Rhodesian conflict. It was named the Brush Round and consisted of half #2 Buckshot and half #2 shot. The flechette round was interesting also.
Recently, I have changed from 00 buckshot loads to a slug. The reason for this is not to hit my guardian dog (a Great Pyrenees) who would always be in close quarters with any intruder.
However, the only time I have fired a weapon in defense of my home and animals is to use a 38 special revolver, with a shot cartridge to dispatch a large rattlesnake which was threatening my dogs.
The funniest story told about WW1 was Germany’s reaction to use of shotguns by the US. Trench guns were so effective the Germans complained they shouldn’t be used in warfare, as it caused “unnecessary suffering” and essentially made combat unfair in the trenches. Really, says the nation that introduced mustard gas and flamethrowers to the battlefield 😂😂
Thats the reason they said it, deflection and propaganda. Less to do with the shotguns effectiveness.
York well earned his MOH. He had a distinct advantage over his peers from his hunting background, and the fact that he took time to aim, and wasn't rattled by the enemy fire. Perhaps God was watching over him or gifted him with the calm courage he exhibited. Either way, he was a fine example of a Christian warrior.
What's got to do with being CHRISTIAN, aren't Germans christian!!?? Or FRENCH or ITALIANS ? What a stupid comment
Here in Tennessee he is more than just an American hero he is a Volunteer.
My father had a 1911, he used on the Angolan independence war and civil war. He used to teach us about safety and how guns are not toys.
The Winchester model 12 (1912) can also be slam fired, has no exposed hammer and when empty serves as a devastating club.
I carry both. If I have a backup it's my .357 Magnum. I carry a 1911A1 in .45ACP, and the Mossberg 500 12-gauge police package. Dear old dad carried the same, basically, when fighting the Huks in the Philippines, the Korean War, Indochina (later just Laos after the split). Sometimes the Thompson sub-machine gun. My boys went back to larger caliber sidearms after they returned from Afghanistan.
Own a 97 I love it and use it in competitive shooting
SASS shooter?
@@mcbridecreek yes
I love the gun noises in this video.
3:13 Yo! Editor! Wake up!
Ballester molina from Argentina!
Model 97 was the perfect weapon for trench warfare at the time and a damn fine weapon.. Like ducks on the pond.
6:27 - good lord assistant gunner, it isn't a pull starter on your dads lawnmower.
I wouldn't want a shotgun in WW1 unless I'm gonna be issued brass or plastic hulled 12 gauge.
They switched to brass once they realized that paper melts when wet or the powder gets damp
@@futuredeadkrieger9458 Hence why I made such a comment.
Really interesting to hear a dairy from WW1 being read aloud.
The soldier at 7:49, has an American Springfield 1903, in his hands. The iron sight on it was used on a later model well after WW1. The TV show "the Pacific" has a correct Springfield 1903, with these sights, at Guadalcanal. There weren't enough Garands to go around, so the Marines got WW1 era Springfields with the updated iron sights.
4:30 gun flash comes from his magazine 😂
There aren’t many guns that have a distinctive sound but there is nothing like the distinctive sound of the pump shotgun chambering a round. Click, clack. All it needs is a sign to pop up saying “Farm for Sale”.
'U.S. Model of 1917 EDDYSTONE' and 1911 .45 Automatic Pistols were quite a deadly combination.
British lee Enfield and Webley 445 were really good 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Springfield M1903 and M1911 was more common
U.S Has using the shotgun
German: Wait that is illegal
Then there's the lesser issued Remington Model 10 (wooden heat guard, requires special bayonet, only one opening in receiver) and the Ithaca, however, the 1897 will always be on my Grail Gun list.
Everyone forgets the model 10
Thanks for that.
@@mirycreek And the Winchester Model 1912 Pump Action Shotgun. Most of the Trench Shotguns issued to American Soldiers in WW1 were either Winchester 1897 or Remington Model 1910 Trench Shotguns. I believe they did make a few Trench Shotguns for the Winchester Model 1912 Pump Action Shotgun.
I own a Model 37 Ithaca left to me by my father. It’s a deer slayer model with the shorter barrel with rifle sights on it instead of a bead sight. I love it. I’m pretty sure mine has no disconnect so it can be slam fired but I haven’t tested it with ammo. When tested dry firing the trigger doesn’t have a reset however so I’m pretty sure it’s before they started adding a disconnect.
My dad has a 1897. It wasn't a trench gun. I will always remember it as the "thumb buster" as the bolt just about took off the knuckle of my thumb while cyclingit.
That's when he said that it's a "thumb buster". Lol thanks for the heads up.
Sometimes lost, is the fact that it's a takedown gun. Pretty cool feature.
It's an old gun, and only gets low brass nowadays. I would love to have a new one that I would feel safe feeding buckshot.
bro that gun not only survived wars but loved every damn second of it. pump that shit like you've got a pair. oh god it killed me inside to see that.......
I love this channel. All best from Uruguay, Argentina
They need to make high budget movie like 1917 about the Trench Gun and it’s effectiveness in the trenches
Interesting fact about Alvin York and the way he did it was he started picking off Germans in the back of the formation similar to how you would hunt turkeys , if you shoot the ones in front they will see their comrades dropping however if you go back to front then nobody knows all their buddy’s have been gunned down until they turn around and see their by themselves that’s how he captured all the Germans , by treating it like a turkey shoot
The Mossberg 590A1 is the best decendant of this shotgun. Having been at WWI re enactments in a Trench with an MP-18 I think I might prefer the MP18 over a shotgun for Trench clearing. You just can't fire a shotgun fast enough if there are a lot of enemy around the corner you turn.
Oh I can fire fast enough but reloading would get you
Yes ,make more thank you
Great I enjoyed that
Here they come troops ! "mount your headsets" and make Grab your controllers ! 😆
Fact check actually Spencer had the first working pump shotgun and they also were used in world war I
Ah someone else who knows the truth, Spencer/bannerman made the first pump around 1882. People seem to forget and think Winchester was the first which it was not. I've been trying to get a Spencer 12 for a short while now.
If spencer/bannerman had stayed in the game somehow who knows what we would have now.
@@commanderwhite12 a lot of those were used as riot guns for police departments and in the mining riots they're still around I've seen a couple of different ones and they were some used by the military it just was never officially adopted by the military but it was adopted by different police municipalities
Hear me out... Clint Eastwood directs "York"
Good Ole American hunters on turkerys..... "we pick the back ones off first as to no alert the front ones they're getting picked one at a time" not verbatim obviously but that made me laugh so hard. Damn my boys yall got taken out by turkey tactics.
Two of my favorite weapons are the tactical shorter barreled pump-action 12-gauge shotguns and specifically the m1911 A1. I've got over a dozen of them you could say I have a bit of an addiction problem with the 1911. I started collecting them many years ago. My first pistol was given to me by my grandfather. It was an old Colt that he had in the war somehow I guess you took it apart and mailed it back piece by piece gave it to me. I fell in love with that firearm.
Since then... I do all my own gunsmithing when it comes to the 1911 and the Beretta 92 series. The 1911 has stood the test of time and it will never ever ever fade Out. Just because the military doesn't use it anymore.. And by the way there are some small groups in the military that still carry variance of the 1911... But either way in the civilian population it's never going to go away. It's an excellent competitive firearm and in my opinion it is perhaps the safest pistol on the planet. There's no accidental discharge with the 1911. You have to fuck up real real real bad to get a 1911 to discharged accidentally without you pulling the trigger.
Definitely stood the test of time.
anyway thanks for reading my rant. Wonderful's video very well-thought-out and very well-executed. Stay safe out there.
You can be reasonably accurate when slam firing these i have an 1897 and hit 5/7 glass bottles when spaced 4 feet apart while slam firing
@Philip Freeman never said anything about any handgun im talking about the shotgun re read the comment
Germans bitched about shotguns but liked to shell their enemy with gas ?
The colt has "Industria Argentina" carved on it... strange.
You're forgetting the Spencer pump shotgun that was the first working pump shotgun
No
German : use chimical weapon and flamethrowers
US : use shotgun
German : wait that illegal
Thought this was Garand Thumb when I clicked on it lol. Still good.
Mr. White gloves had no clue how to work that boomstick...
The gun in question was badly maintained Not the fault of white gloves!
They brought mustard gas and flamethrowers.
We brought 12 gauge buckshot.
I kind of get the impression that this guy has very little knowledge of the 1897 shotgun. It's funny to watch him struggle and use creative terminology.
Yep it's typical of people like him
The Germans were pissed that the shotgun pellets kept puncturing their mustard gas canisters.
1911 saw service from 1911 to 1985ish and limited beyond. The shotgun was used from 1898 officially till present day.
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Nice flashing tie
Dude in the suit didn’t seem very comfortable handling the shotgun😜
talks about the 1911 has a Ballester Molina made in Argentina
I tried firing a shotgun after being put in a wheelchair and it was comical. My first shot sent me ass over apple cart backwards. Should have seen that coming. Second shot was better, as I turned the chair to an angle, but having no working abs didn't bode well and I almost went over anyways. The next thought was to throttle down and try a lesser guage and found I could only handle a .410 w/ any safety and accuracy and gun control is, after all, about accuracy, right?
The 1917 revolvers were pretty good guns.I wouldnt feel underarmed with either the 1897 or 1917 today.Imo the 1897, even without the bayonet, looks plain mean
I agree 100%.
Norinco made a copy of the 1897 I had one until I realized that by stroke made it difficult (foe ME at least) to operate the slide...
Did anyone catch the roll marks on the 1911? It was an Argentine ballester molina. At least the slide was. I don't know if the Argentines copied the 1911 or the 1911A1, but the frame had the little cutout behind the trigger of an A1. So is the pistol shown a mutt, or is it a true ballester molina?
Slides do not match, they are quite different guns (Ballester borrowing a lot from the genious 1911 design)
Yes they did, and they were made from the scrap that was the Balister malena, from which they get their name.
The Ballester Molina was pure CRAP! A very poor imitation of the Colt.
@@icasabona
Parts are not interchangeable.
I really would like both the trench sweeper shotgun and the colt 1911 pistol
1:04 False. That title belongs to the Spencer 1884.
1:20 The Ithaca 37 can also be slam-fired.
yeah my m37 slam fires
So can the Winchester model 12
and my Remington 10
@@mikehenrybell2398 You don't see too many of those nowadays! Hold onto that!
@@judsongaiden9878 Sure will keep it, especially now when Remington keep making their junky 870 that won’t even extract the shell
I have a Mossberg pump action shotgun, best gun ever🙏
Did anyone notice the up close of the “1911” it’s not a 1911 it’s a ballester Molina ?
Yes Sir!
Damn. Imagine being German infantry, and a American jumps into the trench and dumps the quick full shotgun load, and then pulls out a 1911 Colt. Pure fear.
We get the wild turkeys. Understood.
The gentleman at 3:20 looks like a character from American Psycho
The 1893 wasn’t the first working pump shotgun the spencer slide action shotgun has that honor though the Winchester was the first commercially successful pump shotgun
I duck hunted with a model 97 Winchester when I was a kid. With 3” magnum shells it kicked more than the blanks shown lol
His description of Muslim warriors fits how we were trained in Marine boot camp
Hope the ducks shot back.
Look!! It's Loki with a shotgun!!
Why at 1:14 there is a scene of a US Confederate encampment?
so what
Clearly the Confederacy was helping Germany in WWI.
Have a couple model 12 love em.
Contrary to popular belief, the Germans didn’t make a diplomatic protest because those trench shotguns were super effective. The more accurate reason behind the protest was because a lot of countries depicted Germany as the “evil” ones. So it was a matter of time for the Germans to strike back at their enemies, with say, a claim that the US was using a weapon agains the Geneva convention. This was supposed to make the US look bad much like Britain did to Germany with claims of barbarism with sawtooth bayonets, flamethrowers and gas.
I’m actuality, the trench shotguns that went to France only served a small number on the frontlines. An estimated 4000 went overseas to serve, but only 1000 saw frontline action. The rest were issued to MP guards, POW camp guards & aviators begins the lines.
And even the ones that saw service didn’t have much of a drastic impact. The army issued the soldiers who had them paper shotgun shells since that was the most accessible ammunition to them. These paper shotgun shells would be a repetitive problem throughout the conflict as they would swell up with moisture in the trenches and constantly jam the gun.
Some records state that on a few trench raids, some AEF soldiers equipped with shotguns could only shoot off about three or four rounds before the action jammed to a wet cartridge.
To alleviate this, the army eventually issued brass shotgun shells which were much better but they were issued within the last few months of the war.
So as a recap, these trench guns weren’t those super guns that won the war. But they did serve a role, and that’s better than nothing.
If he says ummmm one more time!
The "1911" pictured is a gun made in Argentina, I believe it is a Ballester Molina, a kind of 1911 clone but engenieered way after WW1 was over.....
What were soldiers thoughts on the 1911 pistol? What impact did it have on the western front? How was it used did every infantry man have it o only officers?
A lot of people don't know this when the US government put a call out that day what to change their handguns for something with more stopping power. One of competitors was from Germany and they had made a handful of German Luger chambered in 45.
One of the main reason for government did not go with them was the fact they could not be mass produced. The government felt that the gun was over engineered even though it worked perfectly it just wasn't suited for the American military.
As we will know that Germany did not stop making the gun they just started using 9 mm ammunition. During world war II one of Germany's biggest problems they could not mass produce the gun. Every piece is hand fitted to that particular gun. Most of the larger pieces are serial numbered so that way if somehow when taking the gun apart and it got mixed with other parts from another German Luger the gunsmith right now what pieces went with what gun.
You can tell that the guy showing the shotgun is a historian not a gunsmith
It's a Winchester pump son. Don't be so gentle racking the action. They don't work well that way. Rack it like an adrenaline filled soldier and it will work just fine.
True that, learned that one the hard way with mine
You guys don't have a better person to talk about the shotguns? 4:00 who is this long bob haired dude? Im not sure what he is trying to show with the shotgun? And the information he gave was non sense. A 5 years old can say the same thing. Don't y'all have a better person who really knows what he's talking about?
When you hear the sound of pumping and chambering a round in the dark you know whats coming
@ 4:41 - Of course what’s shown is NOT the 1911 model used during WWI (M1911). What’s shown is a 1911A1 which wasn’t adopted until 1924. And @ 11:03 - Just to be clear, not Remington Arms Company but Remington Rand Company - the typewriter company. Remington Rand was one of the largest producers of 1911A1 for WW2 also.
Winchester Model 12 has basically the same action as the M-97.
Similar but not the same. The 97 holds 6 shells and the model 12 holds 7.
First working pump eh what about the Spencer?
If you will know it was the Germans who were saying that was unfair for us to use shotguns. But they were using chlorine gas on others. It is a mistake to let the enemy to dictate the rules of war. We don't need to fight on their terms. They were just angry that so many Americans were good with a shotgun. A lot of the good old boys down south that's all they had. It was the best weapon to use in brushy areas and it still is.
I've read that some 1897 shotguns used in WWI were in the riot configuration without the heat shield and bayonet lug. Is this true? I recently bought one made in 1918 for $400. Also, is it ok to shoot modern buckshot or high brass game loads through it? Sorry, I keep finding conflicting info and don't know who to trust
Email a professional weapon historian. Also maybe ask on an NRA forum
Great question. I own two M1897 shotguns and have purposed to understand them as much as possible. I don't know about trench gun history/configuration particulars but as regards your second question; prior to approximately 1914, the steel should not be trusted. I believe it was called "Damascus" steel. Don't trust it with modern high brass. Also, the modern12 gauge cartridge length of 2&3/4 inches was standardized around 1928/29. Prior to that there were 2&1/2 and 2&5/8 shells in circulation resulting in some guns having a slightly shorter chamber. A 2&1/2 chamber will develop potentially dangerous pressure if a 2&3/4 round is fired due to the shell casing expansion against the forcing cone. The only way to tell is to have a knowledgeable gun smith measure the chamber. Remember, just because you can chamber a 2&3/4 round does not mean it's safe to fire. The M97 ran from 1897-1957 meaning that roughly half of the guns you'll see are questionable for the above reasons. So long as you keep those two gotchas in mind you can safely shop for what will be the best shotgun you've ever owned!
Do NOT fire high brass loads in that shotgun!
Because NOTHING says "EFF YOU AND THE GUY RIGHT NEXT TO YOU!" like a12 ga. with a bayonet on it, that's why.
Unless, of course, it's the 40mm pump action grenade launcher by China Lake Arms.....
[yeah. look that bad boy up for your 'bloop-gasm' 😁]
The first shotgun is of dutch design and it's known as the blunderbuss
Damn that thing looks mean
la pistola del minuto 12.38, no es una Col1911. Es una Ballester Molina, argentina. El segrinado de la corredera en grupos de 3 estria las identifica aun antes de leer los marcajes.