Intro to 5-Axis Machining on the PocketNC v2 - Project
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2024
- After a PocketNC showed up on my doorstep, learning 5-axis machining became my top priority. This is the story of how I went from a 5-axis know-nothing, to a 5-axis amateur.
Let this be a lesson to you all: ALWAYS participate in the Fusion Cam Challenges ;)
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I have a v1 pocketNC and was one of the backers of their kickstarter for it.
A bit of advice that I have learned the hard way:
Don't over think the work holding. Just use the painter's tape + CA glue trick for most of your work.
If you are not familiar with it, there is a really good tutorial on it on NYCNC youtube channel. The tl;dr is that you apply painters tape to the stock and then also to a waste plate. After cleaning the tape with IPA, you apply CA glue to the painter's tape and then stick the stock to the waste plate.
This provides surprisingly good holding strength. So far it has not failed me in milling blocks of aluminum on my PocketNC. Though do be leary of how tall your stock it, I have not run into problems yet, but it seems like really tall stock would be a failure point for this method on a 5 axis CNC.
The bottom line is that the pocketNC just does not generate that much force on the stock. I guess that is an upside of work with such a small unit.
I love text-based tutorials (or at least, document-based). No need to wait for the presenter in a video to get to the point, easy to go back and re-read something. Videos help, of course, but docs are great!
Can't wait to finally see some high-quality 5-axis project videos using this machine! I've been waiting since the V1 but so few people have your video background and machining enthusiasm. Something about the industrial machine footage out there just feels too abstract as a hobbyist.
Oh, and thanks for the banana for scale. Love the amount of personality you slip into these videos while still focusing on being informative.
Well put together video, very helpful considering I am a newbie and no cnc background and was looking at taking the plunge on this 5 axis unit. I will hold off for now. Thank you
If i was to start my adventure with cnc(I want to make parts for rc model cars) would this machine be good assuming i can lock A and B axis and use it as 3 axis while learning and later down the road maybe use additional possibilities?
Thanks for sharing your learning experience. I’m looking forward to more videos on 5-axis projects and learnings!
Great to see a tool like that not in a demo mode. I have an X-Carve but a 5 axis would make what little hair I have left fall out. Plus a bit to pricey for my liking.
But truly thanks for sharing, it’s much appreciated.
Gary Slovinsky 😂😂😂
I've had my eye on that since v1 was on Kickstarter, but I just couldn't justify the cost, or the need. It's pretty cool that you won one Winston. I look forward to you upping your game with it.
Chris Munc
I totally agree Mick. I have no use for 5 axis, but I already subscribe to the free version of 360 so that's not an issue. I am not interested in purchasing it as I could add a 4th and /or 5th axis to my highly modified Shapeoko for a 10th of the price if I really needed it.
The user interface of the V2 is much improved and no longer needs Xming, putty, etc. You can look at the V2 getting started tutorial to get a sense for what is involved.
Pocket NC you should donate machines to people who could use them, really sick of seeing people with haas, 5axis etc milling out 3d object files that came with the machine cause they have no hint of a creative side to actually build something. Really pisses me off. This guy got like 25k in various cnc and go through his channel and there isn't shit on here. But anyways really nice Pocket NC. I serously consider purchasing one, it's a great price but it is small and I don't have need for smaller parts that this has niche for. Well I'm actually looking into that. If diameters can be reduced. Be nice if you could do 8-10 inch diameter work volume with some decent z. Then I would dish out the 5k.
And Winston Moy, not enough to get a subscribe, just flaunting expensive toys. Cause right now this is just a toy. Might as well buy some action figures or dolls and play with them on your channel.
Now Winston is the DeFacto - Font of All 5 axis CNC knowledge on UA-cam.
DeskProto V7 seems a good tool for 4 & 5 axis machining, a lot less scary than Fusion 360
Excellent intro to 5-axis and this machine!
You always are doing things which blow my mind, Brother!
Congrats on your new machine!
Great video, thank you! It's way way over my head currently! I thought I'd grasp it more with my use of a 4 axis machine, but this shows me I have a lot to learn!
Thanks for sharing. This looks like a really cool hobby machine. I'm truly surprised you found a way to post 5-axis tool paths from Fusion 360. I worked with that program for two years and never achieved good 2-axis tool paths for my lathe. And that was after I asked over a dozen "experts" for paid help. It's good to see someone making progress with the simplest tools. Keep up the great videos!
Harrelson Trumpets The post processor that PNC wrote supports simultaneous 5 Axis, it's easy. I've done a bunch of runs with it. But the machine is very limited.
Interesting...thanks for the response!
I picked up Fusion and was posting solid tool paths within 30mins. You could learn CNC Lathe programming in a day, go check out Titans of CNC.
Manny Calavera yeah, that might be true today, but three years ago when Fusion asked me to try their product it definitely was NOT possible.
If it makes you feel any better I cant get the dame thing to install. I suspect that the wifi I am on right now and am stuck with unfortunately, is blocking it due to taking up to much bandwidth. I am having the same issue with other programs.
Very interesting but I can only imagine how hard it is to teach yourself 5 axis cad work with few video tutorials. Thanks for sharing and keep the videos flowing.
Jim
Came here to see a banana being machined pretty disappointed
same .... click bait :P
Did you eat paint chips as a child?
dave dec hey man...when you’re poor growing up sometimes that’s all there is to eat...
thankyou for your advice.
I just stopo watching.
@@zesegatto same saved me a buncha time :(
Great video Winston. I have not read through the whole Pocket NC PDF library and it looks like there is some good stuff there after all. Will add finishing the tutorial to my weekend reading list.
I've been waiting for this video since I saw you won the Pocket NC! Too cool! Thanks for sharing!
Pretty skookum video Winston, you made it look easy, but I know how hard it is. I still want a 4th axis but never do I want the headaches of a 5-axis machine (again). I am eagerly waiting for your homemade turbo for the Subaru....
Hah, I wish that was on the agenda... The only turbo mod I *might* make to the subaru is add a turbo blanket. Quicken up response a couple milliseconds, and reduce radiated heat in the engine bay. But I've come to accept that I can't make that obese thing much better...
esse cnc tem capacidade de usinar aço 1020 e 1045 ? ou só aluminio e madeira ?
Best digital fabrication content on UA-cam. Eagerly awaiting next video!
Can we cut metal material with this machine ?
At 4:35, you mentioned that the E-stop light never blinked. I have the same PocketNC machine and am encountering the same problem. If you don't mind sharing, how did you get the machine to work? For me, the blue lights around the Beagleboard turn on and then after a while, turn off. Let me know if I can provide any clarifications.
Looking forward to see what projects you do! I have had my eye on the Pocket CNC and was disappointed in the lack of tutorials out there
I think I’ll give myself a full year of designing with Fusion 360 and making projects on my Shapeoko before making any jumps to 5 axis. It hurts my brain just thinking about it. It was fun hanging out at WBC last week with you. I hope you’ve recovered from the trip.
Thanks Chad. Let me know if you'll be at any other events before #WbC2019.
Plenty to learn/do in 3 axis honestly. I'll be stretched thin trying to do projects on both the S3 and PNCv2. So taking your time is wise...
Looking forward to more on this new one. Looks interesting
What type of machine would you use to make Model A carburetor parts? Choke levers and such
Wish me luck... going to build a similar five axis machine from scratch to get started with cnc
Link to where to buy?...also how is it for small parts, as in , to cut watch parts?
Not to many things keep me glued to the screen, but this video did. For me now, 3D will do. One day though, when I am ready to venture into this magical “5” world, what I learned here will be catalyst. Thank you sincerely.
When i have the money ... i will buy it, just to look at it working. Sweet little thing.
Thanks for the tutorial. Keep them coming. Looking to get one myself soon.
Do you think it is possible to reshapen end mills with this machine? I sharp my end mills using end mill grinder, the flutes and the rest of end mills but it is not a fun job. I know there are people out there that just replace them with new one but where I am operating, the cost of shipping is 5 times more then the cost of end mill itself.
So if I want to get into machining do you recommend I start with CNC (obviously 3-axis) Or should I get a lathe and work with that? I’ve used a lathe for wood many times but only once for metal. Any tips? Thanks
Get a lathe, then a 3 axis cnc, then when feel confident go all out!
Winston, Titans of CNC Academy is starting to roll out their 5-Axis learning series. Would be interesting you see your experiences working through those parts on the PNC.
I actually had to search for this video. I've been a subscriber for a long time. But haven't seen any videos from you in a while.
What are your feelings about rigidity of this machine? Is this a hobbiest tool, I have seen the demo of it machining aluminum but do you think you would feel comfortable machining small stainless steel parts with it? I am concerned about chatter working with harder materials, titanium, 304 sst etc.
Rigidity is just enough that you're able to put some science behind your feeds and speeds. It won't be fast, but you should be able to hit normal chiploads with the right depth of cut. Look up @ekramer3 on instagram. He showcased a stainless steel lanyard bead he made on the PNC, and has plans to try titanium, grade 2. 304 is tricky, 303 would be friendlier.
Does this have the torque required to carve hard rock? That means that the machine must be able to withstand constant water.
The axes are not suitable for exposure to liquids, and abrasive dust would also damage the machine in the long run.
Really good video! Good set of goals going in, and you did a good job hitting them with the video.
Very interesting! Looking forward to seeing what you make with this machine. I know little about 5-axes and the best that I know I have not needed it... but I look forward to learning where it's useful. As others have already mentioned, the mill seems at first glance expensive compared to traditional 3 axis or even 4 axis CNC mill.
I see in the background that you've been using a Makita Trim Router on the Probably 3 axis CNC table. I just bought one myself however am yet to make the new mounting bracket. How has your experience with Makita been so far?? Earlier I was using one of those Chinese 400w quiet cut spindle which had quite a run out and burnt out fairly quickly the moment I started using 6mm end mills. When machining wood, whats the max diameter of tool you think the Makita can handle comfortably?? Can it run one of those 20 to 30 mm surfacing tools if take a 1 mm pass??
I liked it enough that I bought a second, so both my Shapeoko's are running the Makita. I have used it with a 1" surfacing cutter comfortably.
hi very good job . what do you think about this pocket NC ? versus other cheaper like Chinese 6040 with 5 axis ?
Cool machine but man... It's pretty small. Not sure what you could make on it? Maybe chess pieces or something. Probably a good purchase for anyone who wants to learn 5 axis though.
Very good video! Interesting, info packed, and concise!
Any links to the tutorials you used would be helpful
Thanks for sharing, I subscribed because I'm looking forward to hearing more about your experiences in 5d milling.
In Chicago, there's a sculpture called "Cloud Gate", AKA The Bean... you could mostly mill that.
Ok, this toy looks cool. I will get one for myself soon.
If I sent you some dog bone files for a 1/6 scale RC Trophy truck, would give the 5axis a try?
Pocket NC V2
from 4,900.00
Also "Repeatability: +/-0.002 in at 0% load"
Yeah, that's pretty bad for almost $5K, but the killer is that it's the repeatability at "no load". So unless you are machining marshmallows, you're probably SOL if you are looking for repeatability from one feature to another.
Glad I'm not the only one to think it's way overpriced. You could build a way better cnc mill for 5k
What is the maximum link you can work with the pocket nc v2-50 cost?
What is the maximum link you can work with the pocket nc v2-50
Why won't you go with the 5axismaker?
What kinds of things could this be used to make? Thanks for the video Winston!
Why didn't you mill something that only a 5 axis mill could do?
Hello sir good morning I am Roshan how much price in This CNC 5 axis machine and which marital works in this CNC machine
Great video and great information; thank you!
What is the price for this set?
Great overview video, thank you
Will you please upload a video about programming on 5 axis?
How much is machine the price
I was hoping to also see a banana at the CNC - it would be the first time- but nice machine.
Me: Sees banana on a CNC
Also me: There we go again. Steins Gate 2020
Thank you for taking the information .. It is possible to clarify about shipping to Iraq and the place to sell. ???Is it possible to work the iron pieces ???
OH! WOW! NICE WORK BRO!
Don't you just love having new tools and having no idea how to use them? 😂. I was like this when I bought my 3D printer and I learned so much in such a short space of time
You “won” it? Outstanding!!! :)
Cool little machine!
Wow this was awesome! Have you tried to do human teeth? Like a set of dentures?
Can't say I have, but PocketNC has a specific kit for cutting out thermoformed orthodontic teeth aligners.
PocketNC v2 where can you buy and for how much?
But, does it fit in your pocket?
Many thanks! Video is so good you earned a new subscriber.
hello, somebody can tell me the maximum volume of a piece that this machine can made? because I want to buy one, and please can "pocket nc" team tell me if can send it to mexico
This CNC machine can do it this on wood ????
Who can put this machine into the pocket?
How much does the machine cost?
6500 dollars, they are out of their fucking minds for a machine that is the size of a printer. You could build a billion times the machine that’s bigger, more rigid, and save yourself 3500 dollars.
how much it cost ?
They should take one step back and make a 3 axis mill using the same materials, spindle, electronics etc as the 5 axis one. I understand their isn't an affordable 3 axis mill that can cut hard metals.
Want one can't afford one but a great desire for one sigh.
More videos please some others who have one don't do anymore videos and I'm interested in its long term usability . There's the engine block that they did as a demo on V1 you could redo that as a project?
Nice work!!!
I see and I hear alot of shit on UA-cam, but this is really interesting and well done project. Very good for school students. Well done.
Dear sir ... how can I order this
is it suitable for sculpture designing engraving on iron up to 2mm raised form
If you're *only* engraving, maybe. But if you have to remove any significant amount of material I wouldn't. That's pushing the limits of the machine.
Great video.
I subscribed long ago, and I have "Liked" this video, BUT... I had to really struggle not to press the "Dislike" button out of pure envy! :o)
Looking forward to more videos on this magic little machine, from the man who knows how to present it properly. Thank you.
Schadenfreude makes UA-cam run! (But I agree that by Winston getting it, we all learn...)
Just subscribed. Interested in your PocketNC journey.
When you consider that a 3 axis CNC bench top mill can cost you 6 to 10 grand...... a 5 axis one at about 4 grand is getting on the wish list fast.
Can this V2 work on metals and aluminum or just wood and plastic?
Look up @ekramer3 on Instagram, he just cut some stainless steel last night.
I made one of those but i programmed it manually with G-code. And it was only 4 axis.
:) ive got 9 more parts i have too get for my cnc router, really excited! Love your videos, always amazing info. Thank you
I don't see a practical use for the pocket nc. The nema 34 stepper motor it uses as the drive for the spindle is barely capable of turning steel but with that much tool stick out and the weaker a and b/c axis motors, plus the small work holding and work volume of the table itself, I can't even begin to imagine what this thing would be useful for. This isn't to say it's not a very interesting machine; because it is, but faced with a choice to buy this or a cheap 3 axis cnc router or even a second 3 axis cnc router if I already owned one, I would always choose the 3 axis machine no matter how many of them I had. I suspect most people given that same choice would probably do the same. I did say *most*. XD
Great vodeo nonetheless!
I am curious about the belt system on the rotational axes. It looked like a weird solution to me since they are usually done with worm gears for stiffnes. Can you wiggle the rotating tables at all by hand? Also - great vid, subscribed!
Can't feel any backlash by hand.
Oh it's there! I have dial two indicators, one to validate and the the other to confirm. It's there! Read my comment.
Luka, the Pocket NC version 1 used the belt drives. The Pocket NC v2 that Winston is showing here uses a worm gear drive on the rotary axes, along with several other improvements in the design of the machine. Overall, it is a more rigid, accurate and capable machine compared to the PNC v1.
So do you have the version 1 or version 2? I cant imagine a belt drive without backlash honestly, but Eddie said in a comment below that the new one uses worm gears, so if they are build in with a dialing in feature, its a pretty impressive machine i'd say.
@Eddie Kramer Thanks for the reply! :) Does the worm gear have a fixed bearing or ex center to allow for adjustment?
Thanks for the video! It looks like they downgraded the spindle from a sub-micron runout NSK Nakanishi to something else, possibly self-built. Could you investigate and possibly share some high-res pictures of the spindle assembly?
I'm copy-pasting from Ed Kramer (comment from yesterday): Here is the spec sheet on the BLDC spindle motor used in the PNC v2, including the all elusive max torque data. The spindle motor is
manufactured by Kinavo Servo Motors. www.kinavo.com/pdf/smh_ch/K60BL30-48V-144-211-3.pdf
I believe the PNC v1 used the K60BL30-48V-100-211 (based on the model
number found in publicly available Pocket NC import data found at www.importgenius.com/importers/pocket-nc-company).
The only difference seems to be max RPM (14400 rpm vs 10k rpm). The PNC
v2 is limited to 10k just like the v1 but I think the motor can go
faster. And I don't see the K60BL30-48V-100-211 model listed at Kinavo
so it may be out of production now.
Winston Moy I did not mean the motor. I meant the spindle.
Here is what I think they used to use: www.artcotools.com/nsk-nakanishi-nrr2651-lever-type-spindle.html
www.pocketnc.com/spindle-comparison
Looks like it may be custom...?
Thanks, I feel like I should have found that myself, sorry. They have some balls calling that an 'upgrade'.
Can you call it a companion cube from now on thank you
any follow ups ?
what would you recommend for someones first cnc?
Mazak Nexus 510c
Why are they using a stepper motor for the spindle? Steppers are not good at high speed.
It's a 200W brushless DC spindle, it just happens to look like a stepper.
This is just for someone who likes to troubleshoot problems. I work in automation with Motoman and Yaskawa 7 axis robots ... You don't need to learn CAD .. You need to be able to program the robotics . totally different.
Thanks bro, could you get together pocket nc videos in your channel :) it’s hard to find good instructions like that. I’m waiting for more.
Nice video, very interesting !
Ha, Pucker factor, I felt it at 5:11.
This is amazing, thanks!
3:00 sure fusion 360 handle x y z too unless red red red cut inside part. smart say error but not first place even correct it. i mean this is my figure cut it. what ever i chosse it should bever cut inside something lol