@12:00 Ruby it's perfect that she is a simple human, Jo Grant was a simple human, and her love shielded the doctor versus Azal, as strong as Sutekh...they don'T mention Azal yet AZAL was the most dangerous enemy ever for the Doctor, NOT Sutekh... pfff Pertwee would tell ya! Even the spider queen wasn't as scary as Azal... And the Doctor is saved every other episode by a totally normal being on any alien world at any point in time. Deal with it haters
Or rtd trolled US ,or he has bigger plans to a double subversions with Ruby because why she is Main in series 15,if the church on ruby road story is finished!
There were just so many points where I was just going why? Why did he visit that planet - how did he know that woman was there - why did he need to go there for metal? Why did Sutekh care who Rubie’s Mum was? As the Doctor gets in the memory Tardis there’s no urgency to sort out what’s going on. When they all start running around connecting stuff up for no apparent reason. 73 yards, if the Tardis makes the 73 yards thing happen- how did that follow Ruby? Why did the alternate timeline still exist without ending before the dna law came in? Why did the snow follow Ruby if it was just Mrs Flood? Too many loose ends, things happened with no reason. I’m upset because I love Doctor Who.
I felt that IF rtd wrapped everything up, and I like others feel and maybe this is a hope that perhaps he didn't.. then there's 100% one thing left unsolved. How, could an ordinary person, Ruby, with an ordinary mum and dad... Make it snow. I don't feel that ever got answered. so I'm hoping that there's a twist. Don't forget "there's always a twist at the end" and we never really got that twist...
@@CyberSlammer2024Mrs. Flood could turn out to be The Lumiet, a wholly-good incarnation version of The Master introduced in the comics that was brought into being by Missy, after having been killed by her previous self at the end of The Doctor Falls, invokes an illegal arcane ritual which allows her to regenerate but at the cost of purging out one major part of their personality. Missy chooses to pure their evil, thus bringing forth The Lumiet…😳
@@CyberSlammer2024 if rule 1 is that the doctor lies then that definitely applies to the master, she could’ve just been pretending not to recognise it.
Bit of a let down after the penultimate episode brought things to an absolute fever pitch. Some unanswered questions (Why does Ruby cause the snow?) and some logic gaps (Why does the time vortex kill Sutekh now when he survived hanging onto the TARDIS? Why do we only see Susan Twist now if he's been seeding them across every adventure?) but mostly the pacing just grinds to a screeching halt and never regains momentum even though it's the end of all life. Also for all that the show has touted its "enhanced Disney budget" all season the finale felt weirdly low key taking place in the UNIT standing set with only a few acolytes (heh) to fill in the space. I did enjoy Ruby getting her happy reunion instead of being brushed aside or finding out she was unwanted, but yeah this felt somewhat anticlimactic to end the season on.
@@racerunner1234 I guess I can buy that given it's no worse than other RTD comic book logic, but the way the Doctor pilots the TARDIS you'd think they've scraped the side of the vortex a few times. Heck it happens right in the intro.
Mixed feelings on this one. The resolution of how “the woman” was pointing at the doctor did not land at all. Why wouldn’t she just leave a note with the Baby if she wanted her named? It hits as if he had the setup but still hadn’t figured out the landing. This episode has as many plot holes as 73 Yards
Yeah I really didn't get the resolution for the creepy pointing. I thought we had already established that she was named after the road the church was on.
@@EmceeCommon55Totally. And I forgot arguably the even more egregious one that has been mentioned - Why was it snowing around Ruby at times of distress if she’s just an ordinary girl??
Exactly so this lovely girl is supposed to be more concerned about her child being named Ruby for some reason and yet just dumps this newborn baby in the freezing cold at midnight in the hope someone will pick it up and look after it??????
@@MowgliTrix Exactly. That's what I mean that makes it look he knew what the setup was but didn't have the answer worked out. Could be wrong on that as they shoot out of order. But if he did it on purpose that's even worse.
This was the worst ending possible for this series. No answers to any mystery, just pretending that none of it mattered, and the defeat of Sutekh was lame.
What happened to the memory tardis? Why could Ruby make it snow? Why couldn’t Anyone see Ruby’s mum? She’s pointing at A lamp post? 😂 All so arbitrary and pointless
@@strangeosyndro272The “message” of the moment should fit in with the lore and in universe logic not contradict it. Write that same great message but make it make sense.
He wrote himself into a corner. I think Moffat - for all his faults, starts with thr resolution and works backwards. RTD seems to work front to back, never quite knowing where it will all land. The secret is the answer must be at least as interesting if not more so than the question. Too many of these questions have been amazing with hand waving answers.
Next season, perhaps RTD should have Steven Moffatt write the finale. We’ve already seen how strong of a writer Moffatt is under RTD with “Boom”…and I would personally state that’s probably one of his weaker scripts. When “Boom” is one of your weaker scripts…imagine what a strong Moffatt script looks like 😳😅 Set him to write a finale under RTD…watch what happens then…😅
No, Moffatt has admitted he intentionally writes himself into a corner, and then figures a way out of it later. He does this as a challenge to himself. He's a much better writer than RTD, so he usually manages to make it work.
The best possible ending would be a shot of a room full of pound notes or Disney Dollars where Moffatt is fellating RTD and they both have their middle fingers extended toward the camera.
I was hugely disappointed after last weeks episode, nothing made sense, Ruby’s mothers reveal was really disappointing considering it was the main arc of the series with very little payoff, and was it really explained why it snowed around ruby all the time. As for sutekh destroying all the worlds the dr had been to, surely he would have heard about it. And if sutekh destroyed earth in the past how can he destroy it in the now. Admittedly I went for a quick pee so might have missed some explanations.
Sutekh killing things through all of time and space is not unlike what the Great Intelligence did when he entered the doctors timeline/body/corpse at Trenzalore, that part I have no in-lore issue with. Now the rest of the episode... Felt like when Tennant became space Jesus and defeated the Master with love. Sutekh has won, so the doctor goes to a random planet to find a spoon (why?) and that spoon shows them the mad PM from the "future". And then they kill Suthek with some magical rope (which come on, a GOD OF DEATH can't wither some rope?). Then everything gets back to normal and lo and behold, Rubys mother is just a regular human, nothing special at all. All special things was because the magic of faith love and hope... Or something...
Fair points, well made. As the Doctor apparently restored life to 'all planets' it seems odd he didn't point out Gallifrey - newly revived - to Ruby, a second before he looks in horror at a restored Skaro. The apparent joy at seeing Telos revived was equally baffling...
i absolutely felt so stupid watching it. play stupid games, win stupid prizes ig. literally nothing about any of the explanations made sense? ok, you bring back the tardis perception filter and its connection to 73 yards... no elaboration or insight on what actually happened in 73 yards. im just supposed to point and say "oh! I know that one!" lame. the fact that sutekh could not see louis miller just bc the doctor and ruby thought she was important is... what? that pissed me off so bad. like every person has people that find them to be the most important. what about them? what's so special about ruby and the doctor finding her important that THE GOD OF DEATH could not see her? Why did the doctor's memory change? And why did the memory change lead to ruby being named...(not to mention, the naming the baby by pointing at the street sign is horrible. like how stupid do you think i am?) there were so many nice ideas that couldve been tied together for a cohesive plot for the season. what happened to it?? The show is treating the viewers as if we are stupid. i wouldnt have minded the woman from the random planet who just so happened to have a SPOON that saved the universe if we at least somehow got some kind of parallels or explanation of the theme of the story... but nothing! the doctor just needed metal (which DEFINITLY was NOT in the tardis and all the junk it held) and that's it. what. the episode was a ball of frustration that shouldve been crumpled up and ended in the bin. the potential of it made it worse than it couldve been on its own
The first 5-10 minutes of the episode I was invested. Unit died, the earth died, everywhere and everyone died. Felt like a classic Season ending episode (Think Pandorica, Reality Bomb etc.) And then it was just 30 minutes of... "huh? Where is the payoff from everything we have learned throught the season?" Why was there a "memory Tardis" in the broken but suddenly active Time window? No one knows, but we can use it as a regular Tardis! (instead of taking 14th's Tardis?...) The Snow, the singing, the 'phase shifting mother' - Nah! That's just because Ruby, the Doctor and Suthek THOUGHT she was important, she was really just a regular no one. 73 yard episode, which I LOVED, could have been tied into the finale, they even mention the 66.7 meters / 73 yards. They mention the "mad PM" from the Future and the Doctor even asks if Ruby has any connection there... NO, nothing, no pay off, no psychic shennanigans or timelord science to read the parallell timeline where Ruby got old etc... Honest to God, if the Doctor had learned that Ruby had lived a whole parallell life etc, THAT could've helped explain why her mother was even MORE special since due to Rubys interference with the "alternate timeline" her Mother was never tested and thus the mystery could've dragged on... But no, let's no acklowledge that Ruby someone knows about the 73 yard thing even though she doesn't remember. Mrs Flood seeming villanous in the previous part, only to be sad/afraid as she is dying embracing Rubys grandmother, then coming back happy, breaking the 4th wall again - But no mention of her strange behaviour by anyone. As you mentioned; Why did the Doctors memory change of Ruby Road? If he had said "My memory kept changing because we travelled to and from that place in the memory tardis" I would be fine with it, but it's not even acknowledged. Sutekh, THE GOD OF DEATH, can't wither away a rope around his neck?... Random planet, with a random woman, because the Doctor needs a spoon? Wtf was that? Why?! I could understand if the woman in question was one of the people we encountered through one of the seasons episodes, like the Doctor going back to see if Sutekh actually killed everyone everywhere... But it's "just a random planet" and what's with the Spoon? The whole episode feels like there are tons of scenes missing, like it was supposed to be 30 minutes longer but things were cut down for TV release.
So this is what I thought was gonna happen, My idea for the Doctor being able to destroy Sutekh would have gone a bit like this, Sutekh has been latched onto the TARDIS ever since the 4th Doctors adventure with sarah Jane Smith all the way back then, so everytime the TARDIS has landed he's pooped out a Susan twist to effect that time zone, Now it would make sense that everytime Sutekh has done that, that's been a fixed point for the Doctor as he can't undo all of his adventures, so when he finds out he can use the memory TARDIS (which should have been teased alot more in the series aswell as in Tales of the TARDIS), Thee Doctor should have then used the Memory TARDIS to pin point (using all the stories the Memory TARDIS has collected) to find the exact moment that Sutekh latched himself to the TARDIS (Back in 1974) The reason for not killing The Doctor when he had the chance (because he's had alot of chances has our Sutekh) is because the Doctor is part of the TARDIS, if you kill the Doctor, you kill the TARDIS (established in turn left) and because the TARDIS is key to Sutekhs entire plan, Sutekh should have been trying to trap the doctor instead and take over his mind (so when the Doctor runs and away, Sutekh tries to get to Mel to trap the Doctor, this story arc still happens except Mel could have been summoned to the present to Guard the TARDIS from Unit) The Doctor, Ruby Sunday and Mel by his side, use the Memory TARDIS, find the psychic interface that allowes them to revisit and alter the memory imprint of past events without changing the actual timeline (because Using the Power of a Memory TARDIS has the ability to do that) though theyve got to be had to be precise. A single misstep could lead to the complete unraveling of the Doctors entire timeline since 1974 (So v high stakes). So when they go back to the Pyramids of Mars episode they have to tread carefully as not to bump into the 4th Doctor and Ruby (what would have been really fun is if they somehow editited to the Tales of the TARDIS episode so that while watching the orginal episodes you catch glimpses of The 15th Doctor and Ruby in the background) (as its a memory altering TARDIS this would fit in so well) We could get super intense moments where the Doctor is stressing to Ruby how "Eye of the needle) careful they have to be Carefully, they approached the scene where the past Doctor and Sarah Jane Smith were battling Sutekh. As the pivotal moment approached, the Doctor used the Memory TARDIS to create a temporal echo, diverting Sutekh's essence away from the real TARDIS and towards the Memory TARDIS instead. But Sutekh, sensing the change, fought back. The Doctor's then realises Sutekh knows of this disepction, has to Use the mollecular Rope to Tie Sutekh to the Memory TARDIS, Sutekh was weak after the 'Pyramids of Mars' and that's the only reason he isn't able to break free, the Doctor then takes the Memory tardis into the raw heart of the time Vortex, somthing the Memory TARDIS can't quite withstand, but using Ruby's Memory of the ship (and her apparent enhanced psychic abilities because of the TARDIS) She begins to remember hearing the TARDIS as a baby, and as they're in the heart of the vortex the Memory tardis amplifies this Memory across all of time and space, (also using Ruby's preexposure to the time window and a butt ton of atron energy) now that's why whenever Ruby reflects on that Memory, it snows, because the power of that memory has been cascaded throughout time itself (which is why that Memory is so powerful) The struggle is intense. Sutekh's power is beginning to surge, threatening to overwhelm the Memory TARDIS and the memories the doctor is using to hold the TARDIS together. But the Doctor, with his indomitable will, pushed through. With a final burst of energy, he sealed Sutekh within the Memory TARDIS. Weaving him into the fabric of that TARDIS Sutekh is trapped in the Memory TARDIS. He can't affect the real timeline anymore. But it wasn't over yet. The Doctor knew that as long as Sutekh existed, even within the Memory TARDIS, he still posed a threat. The only way to truly end his reign of terror was to destroy him within the Time Vortex itself. The Doctor initiated a collapse sequence. The Memory TARDIS starts to disintegrate, its structure unraveling, the Doctor's memories cascading throughout time, along with the memories of Ruby Road, (again why they have so much power) Sutekh's essence, once powerful, began to waver. Without the stability of the Memory TARDIS, he couldn't withstand the Vortex's energy as he isnt in a physical body, Sutekh burns up and his form disintegrating into nothingness. In the present, the TARDIS, no longer under Sutekh's influence (as time has changed), bursts into life. Acting on its own accord, it locked onto the Doctor's location. As the Memory TARDIS collapsed, the real TARDIS materialized around him and Ruby, reabsorbing the remnants of the Memory TARDIS and saving them in one swift motion, we know it can do this because of wild blue Yonder Then the whole Ruby's mam situation could have been settled after the fact, and the reason we couldn't make out her face is because when Ruby was remembering in the time vortex she accidentally and inadvertently caused the TARDIS's perception filter to shrowed the memory of her mams face, and because the Woman was standing "73 yards" away from them at time (this is also why 73 yards is as important as it is) so now factoring that in, the Doctor using the TARDISs psychic interface and now boosted memory powers from the absorbed memory TARDIS manages to undo the Perception filter that has been effecting Ruby's mam ever since that moment, thus allowing them then find her easily as the entire time before, every element of Ruby's mam was inadvertently being hidden from everyone because of the Perception filter mishap back in 2004,
Also The Doctor could have resummond the TARDIS into the vortex using a vial of Huon Particles (from the runaway Bride) as he kept a vial in the TARDIS after their adventure so we Know it could have been a memory in the Memory TARDIS, and would have been an amazing call back!
Mrs. Flood. I've felt for a while that she must be a Time Lord, the question is which one. The dialogue in this two-parter plus her "haven't seen a Tardis in fifty years..." leads me to one conclusion. She is a previously unseen incarnation of the Master, the one which followed Roger Delgado's incarnation. Why else would it be 'fifty years'? Assuming this to be true, it would have made a more satisfying ending to have simply seen Flood discover/summon the memory Tardis and make a short comment to the effect of "At last...it's a shame the delivery was so slow but finally, the spare parts I needed are here..." - produces a sonic screwdriver and approaches the Tardis menacingly. It would have served to give a partial answer in letting us know she is a Time Lord, the specifics left to be revealed/confirmed later. As for the UNIT depicted in this series, i'm far from impressed. One of the primary features of the Doctor/UNIT dynamic was always one of begrudging respect, the Doctor rarely agreeing with UNIT's gung-ho militaristic approach to problem solving but working together out of necessity. We now see the once august institution that was UNIT reduced to a simpering fan club for the Doctor. The cheap looking robot gives off SJA Mr. Smith vibes (but worse), Rose apparently serves little purpose other than tinkering with ipad to no discernible effect (plus acts at a level more suited to an end-of-year school pantomime) and as much as I like the actor Morris' presence makes very little sense. When life was restored I was hoping there would be a few remaining piles of sand in UNIT HQ. All in all - much like the rest of this series - I found the finale to be a mixed bag. It had it's moments but I feel a more focused story with fewer components would have been more powerful, something RTD has certainly proven he can do in the past. P.S. I was so relieved to see the memory Tardis was not going to be the new interior moving forward. It served a purpose in this story but i'm glad we're sticking with the glorious new interior used through the rest of the series. Hopefully it will remain (perhaps with minor alterations) for the next Doctor or two, as i'm rather tired of the constant need to replace it whenever the Doctor regenerates. It makes very little sense in most cases.
So just my thoughts. Long post. I LOVED the first half Mel being a badass, unit going down. The scene with Mrs Flood Anita nailed it I honestly wouldn’t mind if she was the next missy. The scene with the spoon and the woman was brilliant her actress nailed it too. That being said. The second half really felt hollow. Sutekh shouldn’t have been on the tardis since pyramids of mars. He should’ve been on the tardis when it absorbed the flux. He could’ve been cast outside the universe when 4 defeated him. When division engineered the flux as a force of death in their base outside the universe he would’ve been able to ride it back in like the toy maker could because of the salt being cast where the walls were thin. The doctor threw his tardis in front as soon as it was released remember. That would have made it much more personal for 15 as it was HIS specific adventures that gave sutekh power and why twist only just started appearing. When 15 split the tardis in the giggle that really let him into her and allowed him to start his plan. His defeat could also have fixed the death caused by the flux too as he was linked. Rubys mum and the hooded figure should have been revealed to be two different people. A 15 year old in 2004 dressed in a Charles Dickens cloak pointing at a sign ? Still doesn’t explain her snow powers and why her memories are stronger than anyone else’s or maestros comments. The hooded figure could’ve been another osiran left on earth as a fail safe if sutekh returned. That’s why sutekh couldn’t read her or identify her. Ruby was actually left at a hospital or the hooded figure took her to do whatever it did and put her back and trying to be kind it chose what it thought was s random unwanted baby to use in the fight. When the doctor went back in time in the Xmas special to the church it sensed sutekh and sutekh sensed it which led to ruby being left at the church in the first place, a paradox. The eye of Horus that kept sutekh prisoner in the pyramids of mars was a ruby, ruby has the powers of a new eye hence her name and her strange abilities, she’s still a normal human and once sutekh is defeated she’s totally normal. She could’ve still had the scene with her mum AND a payoff to the mystery. I could go on overall the parts were there but it was a bit anticlimactic. Rant over lol
Not to sound mean but I think RTD has lost his mojo because he knows how to end a series like parting of the ways Journeys end Doomsday etc and this finale wasn't like any of those at all it felt like it was leading up to something and then it just fell flat it was bad.
The second part of End of Time was very similar. MacGuffin introduced in final part that defeats the enemy, everything goes back to normal, the Doctor has a melodramatic breakdown..
@@Thedarkknight27474idk I thought it was a 6/10 at best. Outside of jodies era it was one of my least favourite newwho episodes 🤷♂️ not my least favourite but it's on it
Don't forget Journey ended had Donna suddenly saved the day fairly quickly (well this had consequences of course) and don't forget Series 3 had the awful solution of the doctor being God like and killing the master too quickly. Russell Finales always had the villain defeated easily
I also found we could just have cut the entire “kind woman” plot that dragged on for a spoon - I get what they were going for, but I believe this could have came into play with some exciting action scene of Su Tekh taking her baby in front of our eyes - which would have played out more dramatically
I honestly have no idea why we had that scene at all... It was 10 minutes of... Okay, so he goes to this random planet and finds a spoon because... It's important?...
@@YoghurtKiss I think it was symbolic of even someone as ordinary as Ruby’s mum, as simple as a spoon - can save the day - and I hate that because this season was supposed to be about fantasy and gods - we already had the ordinary woman plotline with Donna
It was pretty straight forward. The big rat thing with the dog collar farted out death smoke and his little slave people blew the death smoke all over the universe and everybody died, just like in the Avengers movie. Everyone got Thanosed, except the Doctor, Mel, and Ruby. They got in this really screwed up TARDIS, short off into space, and The Doctor stopped, opened the doors and cried and screamed. Very emotional this Doctor. He screamed really loud. Then he went to some weird planet with some weird lady making tea and they had an innocuous discussion and she gave him a spoon which fixed a broken CRT somehow, and the Dog Monster found them, and The Doctor and Ruby put a leash on his butt, and dragged his stupid but behind the broken down TARDIS, and everywhere they dragged his sorry butt life came back, and then when all the life came back, the Doctor humanely put dog man down. Then they went back to UNIT did a DNA test on Ruby, found her utterly irrelevant mum, and The Doctor left... CRYING AGAIN. That dude has got a serious testosterone deficiency.
I actually loved the finale, the call back of mother's love like with previous companions like Clara, Bill, Rose, Ruby and Donna. And I think of two theories: 1) when Doctor brought death to to death and said all the planets that lived he did not mention Skaro. Are daleks dead, probably not. But is there a second possibility that Doctor brought Gallifrey and all the Time Lords back to life, including Master or.... 2) Mrs Flood could be another surviving Time Lord or a pantheon named the Storyteller. And she could be the obe who took the golden tooth. These are what I belive are happening after the finale.
I think the “Penzance” sticker on Mrs. Flood’s suitcase may be a significant clue to her identity. Penzance is a town in Cornwall, but in the ancient Cornish language “Penzance” translates to “Holy Headland”. The area also has odd folklore, including an Arthurian legend about a place near Penzance called Lyonesse- a land that sank into the sea in a single night. She’s definitely a deity of some sort, but who knows what big plans she has in store? Only time will tell!
I’m calling it, Mrs Flood is Iris Wildthyme and she’s trolling us all - dressed like Clara, with a name (Flood) that could be linked to Rani or River, not revealing if she’s good or bad, making it snow around Ruby, trolling even Sutekh with not letting him see Ruby’s mother anywhere in time or space.
Am I the only one who when Rubys mum pointed at that sign and everyone was like “Oh she named you after the road” I sat there like…. We knew that already didn’t we? 😂, Such a stupid idea as well dramatically pointing at a sign when 0 people could see her 😂
The whole thing was basically RTD’s attempt at doing a Thanos. And like literally every time he has threatened some insane apocalypse, we know it’s going to get fixed so there’s zero tension. I did like ruby in cargo pants and a vest tho, that was niiiiiice
What i understand is that Sutekh couldnt see Rubys mother so, he sort of created the myth about her, and probably gave Ruby the snowing thru the time Window and remember Tardis. Once Sutekh it's defetead, the mistery is solved.
Mrs Flood Well, what can i say ..... She was aware of the oncoming disaster, how many people new Sutekh or "he who waits" was loose on earth - just unit staff Also when the sand / dust storm was coming, we did see glimpses or the radio and static with warning message, but not good enough for a real warning So she is no normal woman .... she has at least some idea of what is happening around her ( and far away ) Now the ending, dressed in white and it is snowing, so now i am toying with the idea she is related to Ruby as the final episode was not set in winter xmas and to me it appears she also has the power to make it snow as well She will come back to haunt us
Maybe the problem really is showrunners who want to be public figures and celebrities in their own right. The temptation to get people talking about *you* always has to be there. Perhaps we'd be better served by a showrunner who just curates other people scripts to ensure they are consistent rather than going down the Buffy The Vampire Slayer route and the series be one person's vision with others given limited imput.
Firstly an Empire requires a population over which someone rules. If they're all dead then there's no Empire. Then second, third, fourth etc. It didn't make sense. It was resolved with magic rope and a spoon, not any scientific explanation. It was just Infinity War on a small scale. The end of a dire season with a rubbish finale. Was Sutekh travelling on both the two Tardises? I have so many questions but quite frankly, it's so badly written that I don't care. Who will watch series 2 of a show aimed at such a small non-discerning audience? Disney probably want their money back. I don't blame them. We've all been conned.
Exactly this and of course the more you question and ask for explanations the more you realise none of it makes any sense much like 73 yards. Russell T Davies comes up with great ideas and has literally no resolution for them. It's like he writes the first version but never goes back and changes it and see how it all interacts with other things written. Like you say once you start asking for a simple explanation what's going on you end up 10 more questions
So at the end of time... "Me" is dead? Cuz they didn't return there. And the doctor rememberd the Beatles : "He's not your dog he.s my dog! The TARDIS my dog my dog!!!" -The Dotor and his whistle
@@rogueparagon9952 Hm maybe,or somehow he got off world. But Sutekh said the only ones alive were the doctor,mel,and ruby. So maybe he got off world or maybe the gas kept destroying his body the second abit of it comes back because,in torchwood,when he was just a skeleton head i think,jack start regenerating slowly and coming back to life. even drowing in cement over and over again
I loved the ending. But in all honesty, who leaves a baby on a doorstep in the middle of the night when it's freezing cold and snowing. Could have frozen to death or be kidnapped by goblins Also, there was no reason for anyone to open the door to find the baby who wasn't crying.
The Doctor eplained the snow in part 1, when he was explaining why he couldn't just go back to that time again. That the moment in time was so unstable and raw it was bleeding through into the present. I do have one big beef with this episode. Ruby referred to her biological mother as her "real" mother. Carla is her real mother. She should have said birth mother or biological mother. Every adopted child I know who has a good relationship with their adoptive parents always means their adoptive parent when they just say mother and even if they later meet and have a relationship with the birth parents those are the ones that get a distinguishing description.
The spoon scene was not unnesecarry it was showing the world after and how precious everything was. Things we use for regular day use being so precious and also shows us how other people are experiencing the whole thing
I suppose sutekh was just chill with the tardis being nearly destroyed by the daleks, exploding in the big bang and being controlled by House in The Doctors Wife 💀
Honestly, Sutekh clinging to the outside of the Tardis when House was in control is fine imo. Tardis was never Destroyed by the Daleks, we COULD argue that Suthek being death, stopped Death so that Meta-crisis Doctor could be born (thus rendering Donna useless but nevermind that...). The BIG BANG though... Is the hard one for me, because not only does the Tardis explode, it does so in an alternate Timeline where the Doctor is trapped until he is summoned back by Amys memories to "our" reality. So Sutekh had ridden through parallels too. He is swirling with "void stuff" though, should've kept the 3D glasses from when the Daleks came through with the void sphere.
Why was there a powerful song inside the soul of Ruby? The snow and the song weren’t just an illusion, it was genuine, and proven by the very nature of music itself. Pretending that never happened and going on to preach how people are prone in over-invest in a person/concept is very disingenuous.
I did see another comment that said it was explained in TLoRS the doctor said because the that day was so thin and fragile the past was leaking through, didn't feel like much of an explination to me either.
@@TardisTalks Personally, I’m not too against the premise of ordinary people gaining significance because powerful individuals overthink things, however it is obvious that this simply teaches the audience to not expect anything exciting as any “clue” could be written off as “a god thinks you’re important! lol but you ain’t” scenario.
@@YoghurtKiss Its funny because the writing in this episode is just as bad as all the writing in those previous episodes. Maybe you should rewatch them to see where all the negativity was coming from
Hahahahahahhaa, best comment I've read so far. But no, sadly this is very on point for RTD. He likes to build up 2 part finales where the 1st part is HOLY HELL THIS IS AWESOME THE VILLAIN IS WINNING HOW IS THE DOCTOR GOING TO STOP THIS?!?!?!?! And then part 2 is... Oh... With the power of love.
The point of the scene with the spoon in my opinion is that kindness saved the day. She was hesitant to give metal to the Doctor as on that world it was in high demand. It was her kindness to the Doctor that played a part in saving everyone.
Had the Woman been say... The horrible blonde girl from Dot and Bubble, who now had become trusting and kind etc, the scene would have had impact. But it was a random woman, on a random planet and it was a random spoon. Meant nothing to the viewer.
It still hasn’t explained why it snows around Ruby. Or why the Maestro found there was sosomething wrong with her. Ruby may be born to human parents, but she could still be another God’s creation. This is what happened with Susan Triad. Sutekh created Susan, but she was still born to human parents. I’m not sure if this will be picked up in the next season though.
Many characters in this whole season were just normal ordinary women who did extraordinary things, Ruby, Carla, the spoon woman, Ruby’s birth mother, etc. I liked that as a theme, and I wonder if it is supposed to be a balancing point to the timeless child, which RTD said mattered this season.
As good as the message is it just nullifies all the set up and now the fantasy element is purely based on salt - we’re given no explanations as to why dr who has changed beyond “we do fantasy with goblins now” the science is purely limited to technobabble without any depth and the history lessons that old who had are erased. I really enjoyed a lot of this series especially “the legend of ruby Sunday” but when you just leave things unanswered with an unsatisfying explanation it just doesn’t make good sci fi. I think the only good thing about this finale is the point you make here which is v important but maybe not with the fantasy scene that has been set up and foreshadowed
There's so many examples of how Sutekh wasn't attached to the TARDIS all this time, especially during Moffats era. Remember when the TARDIS almost completely gets eaten? (The doctors wife). Was Sutekh only going to take action IF it got far enough? Ehh? So many more episodes I could bring up where this doesn't make sense. Also why did the Dr mention spiridon especially? The Dr visited spiridon before he encountered Sutekh!?
The whole Timewindow Tardis annoyed me. WE HAVE 14th FUNCTIONING presumeably NON-SUTHEK Tardis home at Donnas place. But the memory of a Tardis, works as a Tardis and is strong enough to drag Sutekh through the Vortext with some rope?
What the hell was up with the Doctor throwing a temper tantrum?!?! Throwing a hissy fit isn’t being a bad ass. Why did he lie to Ruby and not tell her the 4th Doctor was him with Sarah Jane? He’s never not pointed out himself like that before. He likes pointing out when he’s being clever. He just become a crybaby that has no inner strength. I thought he left his sadness and insecurities with 14 when he bi-generated. That was the whole point of it all. The Doctor should have noticed Mel was falling under Sutakh’s influence too. Usually he notices everything like that. Remember, clever. Not the 1st time he’s used a spoon to win a significant battle. Ms. Flood, was acting very Missy like at the end but this show has been all hype and no delivery.
He did notice mel He wasn't "throwing a tantrum" ALL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE WAS DESTROYED. you know what's being a badass? Being emotionally adept enough to recognize how monumental a loss the entire universe was. Come on. Stop being reductive. Bad writing? Absolutely. But don't come for the doctor. Yall need to get over the fact that badass men can cry now.
everyone was forgetting things due to Sutekh. Like the woman who gave him the spoon forgetting her baby died. The doctor didn’t lie he just forgot that the 4th doctor was him
The fucking universe died because HE traveled all over it and unwittingly allowed Sutekh to plant bombs all over time and space. No shit he’s gonna be sad. And as for not noticing Mel, he literally did
@@alicem2103 13 killed the entire universe off already in Flux. Including our solar system. Near as I can tell, they’ve never explained how it still exists in the first place. Of course, I try to pretend 13 never happened at all. So, that helps. Jumping up and down while screaming will always be throwing a tantrum too by the way. 15 doesn’t act like an ancient Time Lord at all.
To me, Mrs. Flood looked like an evil mary poppins.. She can't be a Missy, because she was around a long time before the mMaster's tooth was picked up by whoever. Maybe she was the one who picked up the tooth, but I don't see her as having access to unit. I dunno. She was definitely evil in this episode and new all about sutehk before anyone else did. maybe she's the "boss." Or is the Boss's secretary, lol Until someone explains to me the whole when did sutehk climb off the real tardis onto the new one made by the toymaker, I'm not going to believe he had "hundreds of years of control" of the new Tardis that is only 6 months old. According to the episode he was hanging onto the Tardis through how many doctors? But that Tardis stayed with number 10. Very confused right now.
Yeah, she is giving Missy vibes with that outfit but I don't believe it is Missy for a second, She could be the boss but I don't think that either, I think she isn't so much the bad guy but just a very mysterious woman of sorts, Yeah that is a good point to be honest.. when did he decide on climbing off and on to the new one.. unless he was moved by the toymakers hammer...
Not saying she is Missy BUT... Timelords CAN travell in time. "She was around a long time before..." is not an argument for a Timelord. Hell the Doctor even says verbatim "i'm down there right now with my grand daughter susan".
@@TardisTalks Wait... I thought 10/14 got the Cloned Tardis?... I might be misremembering. But if 10/14 kept the Original, then NOTHING here makes sense.
For such a great season...it was such a let down. Ruby's mom stuff made no sense with all the stuff that happened. The way they beat Sutekh just didn't make sense either. Like so you could do this to ANY of the "unbeatable" gods that you have to outsmart, and also Sutekh can't survive something that Jack Harkness can.
I agree even tho the old series had the doctor outsmart Gods they were not treated as foolish from silly writing.Its not just Doctor Who sc-fi in general now has the worst writing in my lifetime I have to go back and watch the old stuff continuously to enjoy this genre.
I must say I am quite enjoying this new comedy version of Doctor Who. The idea of bringing back Sutekh and then defeating him with a rope, a whistle and a spoon is hilarious ! I hope we can enjoy more episodes of the comedy version while waiting for the real show to come back.
Sorry but a message about ordinarily people are special and can be heros who do amazing things is a terrible story arc for Doctor Who....a story arc that has been dragged on and on for 8 episodes. Doctor Who is a sci fi show not a soap opera. This part 2 episode will be panned on social media and rightly so.
@TardisTalks When it comes to Mrs Flood however I suspect she could be the watcher who just observes the doctor and universal events although I know nothing lol
I started this ep with very high expectations cause season has been stellar so far, in my opinion, and I really enjoy RTD writing (usually). Mid way I decided to just lower my expectations to "just suspend disbelief and enjoy" but at the end with [spoilers] ..her name? From pointing? But how would the priest have known? And the solution being the same as the Pyramids OM basically? Is half of Sutekh hanging on to Tennant's Tardis? Why did it snow around Ruby? Because a couple of people wondered about who her mum was? What? It kinda ripped me out of the show completely when I realized they had probably written it and someone said "shit... wait... how would her mum know her name was Ruby?" or such lol. And the SPOON?? In all of the universe throughout all time you ... A SPOON? Ugh.
The only good episodes imo that actually had me hooked were Boom and 73 yards. All the others have been so forgettable. The season finale was good imo as a whole but the very ending and explanations were really underwhelming. But if we’re being honest, not a single episode from this season can match blink, Dalek, parting of the ways, doomsday, the end of time etc and so many more. It’s just been underwhelming.
73 yd did exactly the same at built up a really good mystery adventure and yet the last 5 minutes explained nothing and left you very very Unsatisfied. Russell T Davies is a terrible science fiction writer and should go back to writing real life drama and leave Doctor Who in the hands of a capable science fiction producer
@@CyberSlammer2024 I agree on most of that but the 2005-2010 under his reign was brilliant. He just needs to do more of that. He’s trying to hard to make Doctor who different
I think back then he was more worried about making Doctor Who watchable and now he is more worried about making Doctor Who shocking and having a message and it's just trash now. I don't know who it's aimed at it must be 3 year olds with no brain
So the mother was a nobody, ok I can accept that but how did the church know to name her after a sign the mom pointed at that nobody at the church saw her point to!? I can’t help but feel they wrote a mystery without having an answer. It just feels like the script needed another draft. (Also don’t get why Toymaker was scared of Sutekh? One kills and the other manipulates reality.)
This was my point in one of my Theory Videos, Sutekh should have come before The Toymaker because essentially The Toymaker is more powerful than sutekh, If the toymaker wanted to he could turn the universe to dust just as easily..
This doctor can do every emotion very well apart from anger or revenge he hesnt quite believable when he is almost threatening someone and trying to scare the villain I just don’t believe it and it doesn’t come across very well.
@@CyberSlammer2024 I guess that with a show that’s been running as long as this, there are always going to be more questions than answers, although the odd reference to it here and there wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
@charliesarasyoutubeadventu7539 yes I think the problem is each showrunner tries to out do and make it the biggest and most dramatic ending and you get to a stage where they all just merge into one I think they need to stop doing this huge dramatic finale and concentrating good individual stories
@@CyberSlammer2024exactly. That’s what makes Series 10’s finale so good. It’s not as high stakes as the others, but it still feels tense because it’s an impossible situation to beat. The Doctor didn’t even win, he just bought time.
Sutekh died hearing River say Goodbye to the doctor billions of times, then rode the Tardis from an alternate timeline back to witness the wedding of the Ponds, wholesome dog.
The end of Ruby's story arc was Amy's story arc in season 5 where she got back her parents.. remembered her parents (remember heh) without the ''wait for us we're not leaving you Madman''
Sutekh the god of death defeated by going walkies in the time vortex and I was majorly disappointed by Ruby not being the daughter of 8's companion Lucy Miller
I'm sorry to have to hold up a mirror to the fans, but the ones complaining about Ruby's mum are the same people who always moan when a companion is touted as being incredibly important/most important woman in creation etc. At least this was human and grounded.
The issue is ruby is set up to return so i think we get the what now with her but also mayby we arent to much of the mark with the trickster leaving a pice of himself inside ruby to someday use her as a vessel becaus RTD didcsay in a i terviww we should be worried for her and so far nothing has happend ther.
I'm always amazed when folk say something in Doctor Who doesn't make sense. As if it's a drama based on real life. The entire premise of the show doesn't make sense.
Great video, mate. To me, the episode was... fine. I liked it. but i feel like this whole season leaned in much too heavily into the "bullshit ending pulled out of the writer's arse" way of solving everything neatly by the end. I'm aware that this has always been the show's way of doing things, but for some reason, it bothered me this season more than ever before. Maybe it just wasn't handled very well, or maybe i'm getting older and more sensitive to these things. In any case: Gatwa became one of my favorite Doctors, up there with Tom Baker and Matt Smith. Likewise, Ruby is one of my favorite companions. Millie Gibson's acting is, mmm, chef's kiss. Seeing her go is my biggest disappointment. Looking forward to many more seasons with the Fifteenth Doctor!
very confused by this episode. i dunno if it was the worst of the season. space babies was pretty darn goofy. but i feel like there was a lot of hype around this episode for it to end up just being RTD hitting CTRL+Z once again.... he loves to just cause mass death or destruction and just press UNDO on everything and everythings good again. It makes it feel kinda cheap. Almost as cheap as Moffat killing characters over and over again and always being like "fooled you" Ruby being shocked by who her mom was.... the whole time being dressed like Jenny.... Curious if there was a potential 2nd ending here where she was the Doctors Daughter since they did also reveal this season that Susans mother wasnt even born yet. But we also confirmed Ruby was human not timelord or anything so.... Some really cool potential here just to have it all kinda fall flat for me in the end. The thing that made Ruby so amazing and special was..... That she was ordinary, born to an ordinary teen pregnancy where she was give up as an infant to protect her from a worse life likely full of abuse. Kinda sets a false tone for adopted people too though. Reuniting with your birth parents isn't always happy. Resident Alien did a great example of how sometimes youre better off not meeting your birth mother. I feel like more often than not shows like to make it seem like its only sunshine and rainbows finally getting that closure. still pretty much enjoyed the whole season even though i felt let down by this episode. curious if we will see Ruby again RTD does love to bring back companions. This whole season has been bitter sweet for me sadly knowing Millie hadnt been signed on for a 2nd season right out of the gate then only having an 8 episode season growing to love these 2 together and now feeling robbed of potentially 5 more episodes if we stuck to the good old 13 but even just 2 more episodes if we went with the 10. But I guess its Better than how they completely sabotages Flux which had way to grand a story to wrap up in so few episodes
Not it for me. I had been so excited and though i enjoyed alot. Overall it was underwhelming. Being at tbe cinema was cool. I loved him moving the TARDIS round for some reason. This gave me a greater sense of his power than him turning everything to dust. Possibly my favourite scene as it gave me a chill.
The point was Ruby wasn't special; but also was. The Doctor always says we are all special, all important, this was that as the solution to a big puzzle. Suhtek is defeated by his own arrogance in needing to know the one piece of information that somehow always eluded him through his entire journey through space and time on the TARDIS. He could not know who Ruby's mother is because we were seeing a time window based on her memories, and not knowing who her mother is is such a big part of her that the window could not show it. Ruby doesn't know, she only knows the pain of not knowing; like a face in a dream that always pulls away from us. Suhtek could not handle that. Suhtek's ego made Ruby special. And he cannot handle that any of us are special, we are all special, life is special, he could not avoid seeing something special about her.
I did not like this ending at all. Why would a teenager dress in a hooded robe, drop her baby off at a church, creepily point at a road sign, and then walk away? At what point does she name the baby Ruby if she got the idea after she dropped the baby off? And then Sutekh having been travelling invisibly the entire time murdering entire planets really makes the entire show really dark and ruins all of the wins the Doctor had along the way. I did like the reunion with Ruby's mother though.
@@nikonbear7882 and then her mom is just an ordinary woman except for the fact that a genetics test freaks out, and various other clues that she's special. Her daughter can create snow, but no her mom is just a person...
The finale leaned too much on classic who. The whole mystery of Ruby's mom pointing to a street sign seems to me something a six year old could imagine and write. Huge letdown there.I also hated the idea that Sutech's minions so easily took over the tardis or that he's been effectively stowed away around the tardis since the Pyramids of months nonsensical Surely Captain Jack would have got more than he bargained for when he hitched a ride to the end of the universe! Surely he would have told the Doctor that something was afoot. Failing that the Tardis's psychic circuits would have issued some kind of warning... Of course the Finale also doesn't add up because Russell forgot that this isn't the same Tardis as the one from Pyramids of Mars!
Sutekh was attached to the tardis since the 70's? Tardis was SPLIT in two, the original is sat in London. The worlds most feared and powerful god was defeated by leashing him like a dog. This is SUCH a shameful finale, RTD should be fucking ashamed of himself, never in the history of who has there been such a SHITE episode that answers absolutely fuck all.
Sure, it was a nice scene. But... Who was she? Why couldn't it be ANY character that we had met during the season? I could've been the daughter of the soldier. The blonde bitch from Dot and Bubble. Hell it could even be a Goblin!
What a load of complete bollocks! If we are to believe that Sutekh was hiding in the TARDIS since 1975, does that mean there's another Sutekh in a garden in North London with Doctor 14? That's after all is the original TARDIS? If Ruby's mum is a nobody and Ruby is a human, why the snow and the music and all the mysterious garbage we've had to endure. This rubbish is an insult to people who trusted in RTD to deliver something better than an episode of EastEnders. Count me out for next season.
I loved it :) it’s a 2 season arc… I don’t want all answers given at once! I love that Ruby found her parents and I love the mystery’s of Ms Flood. It was intense, sad and happy! The visuals were amazing! I actually cried when Ruby finally met her mom the scene was acted so beautifully!
it isnt a two season arc, that was your arc. The only thing that is carried over is mrs flood but she has nothing to do with this arc nor did she impact anything in this one.
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the reason people are so infuriated is because we now have to WAIT till fking christmas to get more who and we're all left here totally underwhelmed. I honestly think this finalle is grounds to have RTD sacked from the show for life. its THAT bad
Disappointing and confusing ending there. Such a cop out pretending there wasn't anything mysterious going in at all. Yeah it's great she got a nice resolution but it involves mental gymnastics on that event on Ruby Road and a bunch of plotholing to do so.
visually looked good but after 5 mins everyone dies we all know they will come back, RTD was bigging this up so much i think the Disney money has already gone to his over inflated ego as in (ooo look at the special effects) this must have been the easiest episode to write taking ideas from other things is not new everyone does it , but this was ridiculous, good bits here and there 5/10
Hi Pretty good review Yes i agree Legend of Ruby Sunday was a better episode., To many plot holes and loose ends 1. Why would Ruby's mum turn around and point to the street sign - there is no one there to see, unless the nun from the orphanage came to answer the door bell and saw her, but that is not possible as she was facing the other way and walking away. 2. She had walked ( i dont recall if she saw him ) past the doctor, did she expect him to understand, call her ruby 3. The snow - troll loose end 4. The lady on the other planet with the spoon, i think that was a red herring as the baby basket and new born - i think people were expected to jump to conclusion Ruby is from another planet and the doctor took mother and child back to earth for safety - this sort of works as it would have happened in doctors future so he does not know about it - but it never happened We were spoon fed into this false senario 5. Sutekh - really he a cannot break a simple strap - the all mighty god 6. Mrs Flood another mystery, but she seemed to imply in the bedroom she was not just a normal person 7. No explanation of who ( female ) pick up the toymakers tooth that imprisons the master
I've been saying exactly the same thing throughout this whole season. Russell T Davies should stick to writing dramas like It's a Sin and give Doctor Who back to somebody who can actually write science fiction with quality scripts that make sense I'm sick to death of what he is doing this season has been appalling. He needs to go I quite agree with Christopher Eccleston. I'm hoping they will bring in a brand new fresh showrunner after the Following season if they keep it going with dwindling viewing figures. And this time bringing someone who isn't a fan
i’m glad ruby isn’t getting another season a complete letdown. 8eps is not it needs to be at least 10. her mom being an ordinary person is such rubbish which made her pointing at the sign make even less sense. suhteks defeat was wack i wish he got dropped in a black hole or something more devious for erasing the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. 73 yards was also a let down thought we would get an answer for that ep but i’m not too worried about that. what makes that episode one of the best who eps oat is its shroud of mystery. the doctor cry’s tooooooo much it makes it less meaningful every time he breaks down. i hope they don’t bring in unit as much for next season. i also hope they bring martha jones, georgia tennant, and a black companion for future seasons. add more to the tardis like the 8th, 11th, and 12th doctors. overall it’s a decent start to disneys doctor who but can someone pls stop disney from monopolizing all these great franchises. next will be game of thrones or harry potter. they always go for franchises with extensive world building.
don’t get me wrong ncuti’s portrayal of the doctor is top tier and him crying is an amazing performance. the writing is hindering him from fully embracing his role and so is the season length.
Not worth the wait. RTD has spent the whole season building up everyone's expectations and then was like... lol just kidding, its nothing. Waste of time, lets get a different show runner soon. Cause this guy has lost his touch. Its like he watched Chibnall's era and got corrupted or something. Cause its giving me those vibes.
@@donatist59the biggest issue with DW today is that we have no new blood. Every showrunner now has been with the show since the early seasons. We need newer writers
@@GarydeBrownNo he was referring to one of the least liked Dr Who stories. Why would The Acolyte be relevant? The Twin Dilemma was a masterpiece compared to this trash.
The Acolyte would presumably be relevant because they wrote "which twin was it and is the other one even alive" story mystery arc then ended it towards the start of episode 1 somewhere. You described that utter shite perfectly by using the Doctor Who title without indicating that it was a title for anyone who didn't know. Hence it seemed like you were talking about the other current dumpster fire show.
What 15 year old wears that type of cloak ffs? I want everybody to know I want my baby to be named ruby but will just take the chance that someone will find her on the steps of the church during a snowstorm in the middle of the night ? Sutekh died like a whimpering muppet. Killed everybody off so easily then dies so easily. On a dog lead too!!!!! Why is Sutekh on this tardis and not the memory tardis ior the REAl tardis with the 14th Docotor. Why does it snow? What was 73 yards all about? Why does the Doctor cry all the time? Utter shite and like lots of others, I will now go abd touch grass. Gave it all I could but what poor poor writing. Been watching avidly since mid 70's.
You do know RTD was literally saying you're as important as you think you are right? That's a bad thing? I think you all really need to question that if anyone has issue with it I'd say really needs to tale a long time to really think about the significance of that. We define how important we are amd jpw important people we look up to are. We hold all the power to do whatever we wish
WHAT WAS YOUR THOUGHTS?
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@12:00 Ruby it's perfect that she is a simple human, Jo Grant was a simple human, and her love shielded the doctor versus Azal, as strong as Sutekh...they don'T mention Azal yet AZAL was the most dangerous enemy ever for the Doctor, NOT Sutekh... pfff Pertwee would tell ya! Even the spider queen wasn't as scary as Azal... And the Doctor is saved every other episode by a totally normal being on any alien world at any point in time. Deal with it haters
Or rtd trolled US ,or he has bigger plans to a double subversions with Ruby because why she is Main in series 15,if the church on ruby road story is finished!
You mean what WERE your thoughts
There were just so many points where I was just going why? Why did he visit that planet - how did he know that woman was there - why did he need to go there for metal? Why did Sutekh care who Rubie’s Mum was? As the Doctor gets in the memory Tardis there’s no urgency to sort out what’s going on. When they all start running around connecting stuff up for no apparent reason. 73 yards, if the Tardis makes the 73 yards thing happen- how did that follow Ruby? Why did the alternate timeline still exist without ending before the dna law came in? Why did the snow follow Ruby if it was just Mrs Flood? Too many loose ends, things happened with no reason. I’m upset because I love Doctor Who.
I felt that IF rtd wrapped everything up, and I like others feel and maybe this is a hope that perhaps he didn't.. then there's 100% one thing left unsolved.
How, could an ordinary person, Ruby, with an ordinary mum and dad... Make it snow. I don't feel that ever got answered. so I'm hoping that there's a twist. Don't forget "there's always a twist at the end" and we never really got that twist...
The whole universe was saved because Sutehk was obsessed with fan theories
So did Granny Sunday just not mention how weird Mrs Flood was acting and monologuing doom stuff?
Cherry's in on it now.
She gets bribed with a cup of tea off screen
What I wanna know is who or what is Mrs. Flood because she was affected by the dusting and when she goes she says “not like this I had so many plans”
She probably thinks she's going senile.
Next season: "Mrs Flood was only important because you thought she was important"
Lol she just turns out to be a nutcase😅
I think mrs flood is a new Missy she looks like mary poppins at the end of empire of death just blake Missy looked like mary poppins in Capaldi era
@@geoffbrenneman9757 it can't be the master because he would have recognised the TARDIS immediately and why would he be breaking the fourth wall
@@CyberSlammer2024Mrs. Flood could turn out to be The Lumiet, a wholly-good incarnation version of The Master introduced in the comics that was brought into being by Missy, after having been killed by her previous self at the end of The Doctor Falls, invokes an illegal arcane ritual which allows her to regenerate but at the cost of purging out one major part of their personality. Missy chooses to pure their evil, thus bringing forth The Lumiet…😳
@@CyberSlammer2024 if rule 1 is that the doctor lies then that definitely applies to the master, she could’ve just been pretending not to recognise it.
RTD trolled us all.
Bit of a let down after the penultimate episode brought things to an absolute fever pitch. Some unanswered questions (Why does Ruby cause the snow?) and some logic gaps (Why does the time vortex kill Sutekh now when he survived hanging onto the TARDIS? Why do we only see Susan Twist now if he's been seeding them across every adventure?) but mostly the pacing just grinds to a screeching halt and never regains momentum even though it's the end of all life. Also for all that the show has touted its "enhanced Disney budget" all season the finale felt weirdly low key taking place in the UNIT standing set with only a few acolytes (heh) to fill in the space. I did enjoy Ruby getting her happy reunion instead of being brushed aside or finding out she was unwanted, but yeah this felt somewhat anticlimactic to end the season on.
The vortex killed him because he had nothing to hold onto when travelling throught time and he touched the edge of the vortex
So I hate this, but there is an explanation for the snow. It's one like that really was ridiculous. "Memory is a time machine."
@@josro1234so you’re saying that Ruby’s memories manifested the snow? But that still doesn’t explain why it manifested.
@@racerunner1234 I guess I can buy that given it's no worse than other RTD comic book logic, but the way the Doctor pilots the TARDIS you'd think they've scraped the side of the vortex a few times. Heck it happens right in the intro.
Imagine looking for logic in Doctor Who.
Mixed feelings on this one. The resolution of how “the woman” was pointing at the doctor did not land at all. Why wouldn’t she just leave a note with the Baby if she wanted her named? It hits as if he had the setup but still hadn’t figured out the landing. This episode has as many plot holes as 73 Yards
Yeah I really didn't get the resolution for the creepy pointing. I thought we had already established that she was named after the road the church was on.
@@EmceeCommon55Totally. And I forgot arguably the even more egregious one that has been mentioned - Why was it snowing around Ruby at times of distress if she’s just an ordinary girl??
Exactly so this lovely girl is supposed to be more concerned about her child being named Ruby for some reason and yet just dumps this newborn baby in the freezing cold at midnight in the hope someone will pick it up and look after it??????
An even simpler question: What 15 year old goes out wearing a cloak? Looked like a contestant on the traitors
@@MowgliTrix Exactly. That's what I mean that makes it look he knew what the setup was but didn't have the answer worked out. Could be wrong on that as they shoot out of order. But if he did it on purpose that's even worse.
I agree with you. RTD trolled us. I didn't find the ending to be satisfying.
RTD is just a terrible writer and a BS artist to boot.
@@TheZodiacz Nonsense
This was the worst ending possible for this series. No answers to any mystery, just pretending that none of it mattered, and the defeat of Sutekh was lame.
Give me this that every Chibnall finale.
What happened to the memory tardis?
Why could Ruby make it snow?
Why couldn’t Anyone see Ruby’s mum?
She’s pointing at A lamp post?
😂
All so arbitrary and pointless
You do know RTD was literally saying you're as important as you think you are right? That's a bad thing? I think you all really need to question that
@@strangeosyndro272The “message” of the moment should fit in with the lore and in universe logic not contradict it. Write that same great message but make it make sense.
@@locustboy8448 What message? Paranoid anti-woke.
He wrote himself into a corner. I think Moffat - for all his faults, starts with thr resolution and works backwards. RTD seems to work front to back, never quite knowing where it will all land.
The secret is the answer must be at least as interesting if not more so than the question. Too many of these questions have been amazing with hand waving answers.
RTD had too many stories to deal with and gave us this flimsy solution.
Next season, perhaps RTD should have Steven Moffatt write the finale. We’ve already seen how strong of a writer Moffatt is under RTD with “Boom”…and I would personally state that’s probably one of his weaker scripts.
When “Boom” is one of your weaker scripts…imagine what a strong Moffatt script looks like 😳😅
Set him to write a finale under RTD…watch what happens then…😅
No, Moffatt has admitted he intentionally writes himself into a corner, and then figures a way out of it later. He does this as a challenge to himself. He's a much better writer than RTD, so he usually manages to make it work.
perfect comment
The best possible ending would be a shot of a room full of pound notes or Disney Dollars where Moffatt is fellating RTD and they both have their middle fingers extended toward the camera.
Genius 😂.
and Chibnall can moon the audience from the sidelines!
I was hugely disappointed after last weeks episode, nothing made sense, Ruby’s mothers reveal was really disappointing considering it was the main arc of the series with very little payoff, and was it really explained why it snowed around ruby all the time. As for sutekh destroying all the worlds the dr had been to, surely he would have heard about it. And if sutekh destroyed earth in the past how can he destroy it in the now. Admittedly I went for a quick pee so might have missed some explanations.
Doctor who has never made sense and had unanswered questions
@@Thedarkknight27474 well it has, how can he destroy the earth in the past and then destroy it in the now it makes no sense
@@kevinjones3908because he destroyed everything everywhere and everywhen at the exact same time
Sutekh killing things through all of time and space is not unlike what the Great Intelligence did when he entered the doctors timeline/body/corpse at Trenzalore, that part I have no in-lore issue with. Now the rest of the episode... Felt like when Tennant became space Jesus and defeated the Master with love. Sutekh has won, so the doctor goes to a random planet to find a spoon (why?) and that spoon shows them the mad PM from the "future". And then they kill Suthek with some magical rope (which come on, a GOD OF DEATH can't wither some rope?). Then everything gets back to normal and lo and behold, Rubys mother is just a regular human, nothing special at all. All special things was because the magic of faith love and hope... Or something...
Fair points, well made.
As the Doctor apparently restored life to 'all planets' it seems odd he didn't point out Gallifrey - newly revived - to Ruby, a second before he looks in horror at a restored Skaro.
The apparent joy at seeing Telos revived was equally baffling...
i absolutely felt so stupid watching it. play stupid games, win stupid prizes ig. literally nothing about any of the explanations made sense? ok, you bring back the tardis perception filter and its connection to 73 yards... no elaboration or insight on what actually happened in 73 yards. im just supposed to point and say "oh! I know that one!" lame.
the fact that sutekh could not see louis miller just bc the doctor and ruby thought she was important is... what? that pissed me off so bad. like every person has people that find them to be the most important. what about them? what's so special about ruby and the doctor finding her important that THE GOD OF DEATH could not see her?
Why did the doctor's memory change? And why did the memory change lead to ruby being named...(not to mention, the naming the baby by pointing at the street sign is horrible. like how stupid do you think i am?)
there were so many nice ideas that couldve been tied together for a cohesive plot for the season. what happened to it?? The show is treating the viewers as if we are stupid. i wouldnt have minded the woman from the random planet who just so happened to have a SPOON that saved the universe if we at least somehow got some kind of parallels or explanation of the theme of the story... but nothing! the doctor just needed metal (which DEFINITLY was NOT in the tardis and all the junk it held) and that's it. what.
the episode was a ball of frustration that shouldve been crumpled up and ended in the bin. the potential of it made it worse than it couldve been on its own
The first 5-10 minutes of the episode I was invested. Unit died, the earth died, everywhere and everyone died. Felt like a classic Season ending episode (Think Pandorica, Reality Bomb etc.) And then it was just 30 minutes of... "huh? Where is the payoff from everything we have learned throught the season?"
Why was there a "memory Tardis" in the broken but suddenly active Time window? No one knows, but we can use it as a regular Tardis! (instead of taking 14th's Tardis?...)
The Snow, the singing, the 'phase shifting mother' - Nah! That's just because Ruby, the Doctor and Suthek THOUGHT she was important, she was really just a regular no one.
73 yard episode, which I LOVED, could have been tied into the finale, they even mention the 66.7 meters / 73 yards. They mention the "mad PM" from the Future and the Doctor even asks if Ruby has any connection there... NO, nothing, no pay off, no psychic shennanigans or timelord science to read the parallell timeline where Ruby got old etc... Honest to God, if the Doctor had learned that Ruby had lived a whole parallell life etc, THAT could've helped explain why her mother was even MORE special since due to Rubys interference with the "alternate timeline" her Mother was never tested and thus the mystery could've dragged on... But no, let's no acklowledge that Ruby someone knows about the 73 yard thing even though she doesn't remember.
Mrs Flood seeming villanous in the previous part, only to be sad/afraid as she is dying embracing Rubys grandmother, then coming back happy, breaking the 4th wall again - But no mention of her strange behaviour by anyone.
As you mentioned; Why did the Doctors memory change of Ruby Road? If he had said "My memory kept changing because we travelled to and from that place in the memory tardis" I would be fine with it, but it's not even acknowledged.
Sutekh, THE GOD OF DEATH, can't wither away a rope around his neck?...
Random planet, with a random woman, because the Doctor needs a spoon? Wtf was that? Why?! I could understand if the woman in question was one of the people we encountered through one of the seasons episodes, like the Doctor going back to see if Sutekh actually killed everyone everywhere... But it's "just a random planet" and what's with the Spoon?
The whole episode feels like there are tons of scenes missing, like it was supposed to be 30 minutes longer but things were cut down for TV release.
So this is what I thought was gonna happen,
My idea for the Doctor being able to destroy Sutekh would have gone a bit like this,
Sutekh has been latched onto the TARDIS ever since the 4th Doctors adventure with sarah Jane Smith all the way back then, so everytime the TARDIS has landed he's pooped out a Susan twist to effect that time zone,
Now it would make sense that everytime Sutekh has done that, that's been a fixed point for the Doctor as he can't undo all of his adventures, so when he finds out he can use the memory TARDIS (which should have been teased alot more in the series aswell as in Tales of the TARDIS), Thee Doctor should have then used the Memory TARDIS to pin point (using all the stories the Memory TARDIS has collected) to find the exact moment that Sutekh latched himself to the TARDIS (Back in 1974)
The reason for not killing The Doctor when he had the chance (because he's had alot of chances has our Sutekh) is because the Doctor is part of the TARDIS, if you kill the Doctor, you kill the TARDIS (established in turn left) and because the TARDIS is key to Sutekhs entire plan, Sutekh should have been trying to trap the doctor instead and take over his mind (so when the Doctor runs and away, Sutekh tries to get to Mel to trap the Doctor, this story arc still happens except Mel could have been summoned to the present to Guard the TARDIS from Unit)
The Doctor, Ruby Sunday and Mel by his side, use the Memory TARDIS, find the psychic interface that allowes them to revisit and alter the memory imprint of past events without changing the actual timeline (because Using the Power of a Memory TARDIS has the ability to do that) though theyve got to be had to be precise. A single misstep could lead to the complete unraveling of the Doctors entire timeline since 1974 (So v high stakes).
So when they go back to the Pyramids of Mars episode they have to tread carefully as not to bump into the 4th Doctor and Ruby (what would have been really fun is if they somehow editited to the Tales of the TARDIS episode so that while watching the orginal episodes you catch glimpses of The 15th Doctor and Ruby in the background) (as its a memory altering TARDIS this would fit in so well)
We could get super intense moments where the Doctor is stressing to Ruby how "Eye of the needle) careful they have to be
Carefully, they approached the scene where the past Doctor and Sarah Jane Smith were battling Sutekh. As the pivotal moment approached, the Doctor used the Memory TARDIS to create a temporal echo, diverting Sutekh's essence away from the real TARDIS and towards the Memory TARDIS instead.
But Sutekh, sensing the change, fought back. The Doctor's then realises Sutekh knows of this disepction, has to Use the mollecular Rope to Tie Sutekh to the Memory TARDIS, Sutekh was weak after the 'Pyramids of Mars' and that's the only reason he isn't able to break free, the Doctor then takes the Memory tardis into the raw heart of the time Vortex, somthing the Memory TARDIS can't quite withstand, but using Ruby's Memory of the ship (and her apparent enhanced psychic abilities because of the TARDIS) She begins to remember hearing the TARDIS as a baby, and as they're in the heart of the vortex the Memory tardis amplifies this Memory across all of time and space, (also using Ruby's preexposure to the time window and a butt ton of atron energy) now that's why whenever Ruby reflects on that Memory, it snows, because the power of that memory has been cascaded throughout time itself (which is why that Memory is so powerful)
The struggle is intense. Sutekh's power is beginning to surge, threatening to overwhelm the Memory TARDIS and the memories the doctor is using to hold the TARDIS together. But the Doctor, with his indomitable will, pushed through. With a final burst of energy, he sealed Sutekh within the Memory TARDIS. Weaving him into the fabric of that TARDIS
Sutekh is trapped in the Memory TARDIS. He can't affect the real timeline anymore.
But it wasn't over yet. The Doctor knew that as long as Sutekh existed, even within the Memory TARDIS, he still posed a threat. The only way to truly end his reign of terror was to destroy him within the Time Vortex itself.
The Doctor initiated a collapse sequence. The Memory TARDIS starts to disintegrate, its structure unraveling, the Doctor's memories cascading throughout time, along with the memories of Ruby Road, (again why they have so much power)
Sutekh's essence, once powerful, began to waver. Without the stability of the Memory TARDIS, he couldn't withstand the Vortex's energy as he isnt in a physical body, Sutekh burns up and his form disintegrating into nothingness.
In the present, the TARDIS, no longer under Sutekh's influence (as time has changed), bursts into life. Acting on its own accord, it locked onto the Doctor's location. As the Memory TARDIS collapsed, the real TARDIS materialized around him and Ruby, reabsorbing the remnants of the Memory TARDIS and saving them in one swift motion, we know it can do this because of wild blue Yonder
Then the whole Ruby's mam situation could have been settled after the fact, and the reason we couldn't make out her face is because when Ruby was remembering in the time vortex she accidentally and inadvertently caused the TARDIS's perception filter to shrowed the memory of her mams face, and because the Woman was standing "73 yards" away from them at time (this is also why 73 yards is as important as it is) so now factoring that in, the Doctor using the TARDISs psychic interface and now boosted memory powers from the absorbed memory TARDIS manages to undo the Perception filter that has been effecting Ruby's mam ever since that moment, thus allowing them then find her easily as the entire time before, every element of Ruby's mam was inadvertently being hidden from everyone because of the Perception filter mishap back in 2004,
Write season 2 please. Way better than the dog shit we got
Also The Doctor could have resummond the TARDIS into the vortex using a vial of Huon Particles (from the runaway Bride) as he kept a vial in the TARDIS after their adventure so we Know it could have been a memory in the Memory TARDIS, and would have been an amazing call back!
That was amazing
Get your ass in the BBC writing room immediately
Keeping a copy of this as head canon.
Mrs. Flood.
I've felt for a while that she must be a Time Lord, the question is which one.
The dialogue in this two-parter plus her "haven't seen a Tardis in fifty years..." leads me to one conclusion.
She is a previously unseen incarnation of the Master, the one which followed Roger Delgado's incarnation.
Why else would it be 'fifty years'?
Assuming this to be true, it would have made a more satisfying ending to have simply seen Flood discover/summon the memory Tardis and make a short comment to the effect of "At last...it's a shame the delivery was so slow but finally, the spare parts I needed are here..." - produces a sonic screwdriver and approaches the Tardis menacingly.
It would have served to give a partial answer in letting us know she is a Time Lord, the specifics left to be revealed/confirmed later.
As for the UNIT depicted in this series, i'm far from impressed.
One of the primary features of the Doctor/UNIT dynamic was always one of begrudging respect, the Doctor rarely agreeing with UNIT's gung-ho militaristic approach to problem solving but working together out of necessity.
We now see the once august institution that was UNIT reduced to a simpering fan club for the Doctor. The cheap looking robot gives off SJA Mr. Smith vibes (but worse), Rose apparently serves little purpose other than tinkering with ipad to no discernible effect (plus acts at a level more suited to an end-of-year school pantomime) and as much as I like the actor Morris' presence makes very little sense.
When life was restored I was hoping there would be a few remaining piles of sand in UNIT HQ.
All in all - much like the rest of this series - I found the finale to be a mixed bag. It had it's moments but I feel a more focused story with fewer components would have been more powerful, something RTD has certainly proven he can do in the past.
P.S. I was so relieved to see the memory Tardis was not going to be the new interior moving forward. It served a purpose in this story but i'm glad we're sticking with the glorious new interior used through the rest of the series. Hopefully it will remain (perhaps with minor alterations) for the next Doctor or two, as i'm rather tired of the constant need to replace it whenever the Doctor regenerates. It makes very little sense in most cases.
So just my thoughts. Long post.
I LOVED the first half Mel being a badass, unit going down. The scene with Mrs Flood Anita nailed it I honestly wouldn’t mind if she was the next missy. The scene with the spoon and the woman was brilliant her actress nailed it too. That being said. The second half really felt hollow.
Sutekh shouldn’t have been on the tardis since pyramids of mars. He should’ve been on the tardis when it absorbed the flux. He could’ve been cast outside the universe when 4 defeated him. When division engineered the flux as a force of death in their base outside the universe he would’ve been able to ride it back in like the toy maker could because of the salt being cast where the walls were thin. The doctor threw his tardis in front as soon as it was released remember. That would have made it much more personal for 15 as it was HIS specific adventures that gave sutekh power and why twist only just started appearing. When 15 split the tardis in the giggle that really let him into her and allowed him to start his plan. His defeat could also have fixed the death caused by the flux too as he was linked.
Rubys mum and the hooded figure should have been revealed to be two different people. A 15 year old in 2004 dressed in a Charles Dickens cloak pointing at a sign ? Still doesn’t explain her snow powers and why her memories are stronger than anyone else’s or maestros comments. The hooded figure could’ve been another osiran left on earth as a fail safe if sutekh returned. That’s why sutekh couldn’t read her or identify her. Ruby was actually left at a hospital or the hooded figure took her to do whatever it did and put her back and trying to be kind it chose what it thought was s random unwanted baby to use in the fight. When the doctor went back in time in the Xmas special to the church it sensed sutekh and sutekh sensed it which led to ruby being left at the church in the first place, a paradox. The eye of Horus that kept sutekh prisoner in the pyramids of mars was a ruby, ruby has the powers of a new eye hence her name and her strange abilities, she’s still a normal human and once sutekh is defeated she’s totally normal. She could’ve still had the scene with her mum AND a payoff to the mystery.
I could go on overall the parts were there but it was a bit anticlimactic. Rant over lol
Not to sound mean but I think RTD has lost his mojo because he knows how to end a series like parting of the ways Journeys end Doomsday etc and this finale wasn't like any of those at all it felt like it was leading up to something and then it just fell flat it was bad.
It was not bad
The second part of End of Time was very similar. MacGuffin introduced in final part that defeats the enemy, everything goes back to normal, the Doctor has a melodramatic breakdown..
@@Thedarkknight27474idk I thought it was a 6/10 at best. Outside of jodies era it was one of my least favourite newwho episodes 🤷♂️ not my least favourite but it's on it
Don't forget Journey ended had Donna suddenly saved the day fairly quickly (well this had consequences of course) and don't forget Series 3 had the awful solution of the doctor being God like and killing the master too quickly. Russell Finales always had the villain defeated easily
I also found we could just have cut the entire “kind woman” plot that dragged on for a spoon - I get what they were going for, but I believe this could have came into play with some exciting action scene of Su Tekh taking her baby in front of our eyes - which would have played out more dramatically
I honestly have no idea why we had that scene at all... It was 10 minutes of... Okay, so he goes to this random planet and finds a spoon because... It's important?...
@@YoghurtKiss I think it was symbolic of even someone as ordinary as Ruby’s mum, as simple as a spoon - can save the day - and I hate that because this season was supposed to be about fantasy and gods - we already had the ordinary woman plotline with Donna
Bringing the god of death to death will revive things? Wtf
In maths, if you multiply 2 negatives it equals a positive. Maybe that’s what they were implying
@@JosephPugh-ho8qz don't over think it I jokingly said that everyone will come back to life again as its a classic predictable NuWho trope
It was pretty straight forward. The big rat thing with the dog collar farted out death smoke and his little slave people blew the death smoke all over the universe and everybody died, just like in the Avengers movie. Everyone got Thanosed, except the Doctor, Mel, and Ruby.
They got in this really screwed up TARDIS, short off into space, and The Doctor stopped, opened the doors and cried and screamed. Very emotional this Doctor. He screamed really loud.
Then he went to some weird planet with some weird lady making tea and they had an innocuous discussion and she gave him a spoon which fixed a broken CRT somehow, and the Dog Monster found them, and The Doctor and Ruby put a leash on his butt, and dragged his stupid but behind the broken down TARDIS, and everywhere they dragged his sorry butt life came back, and then when all the life came back, the Doctor humanely put dog man down.
Then they went back to UNIT did a DNA test on Ruby, found her utterly irrelevant mum, and The Doctor left... CRYING AGAIN. That dude has got a serious testosterone deficiency.
😂👍
A better written description than any of the last few years of Dr Who!
I actually loved the finale, the call back of mother's love like with previous companions like Clara, Bill, Rose, Ruby and Donna. And I think of two theories:
1) when Doctor brought death to to death and said all the planets that lived he did not mention Skaro. Are daleks dead, probably not. But is there a second possibility that Doctor brought Gallifrey and all the Time Lords back to life, including Master or....
2) Mrs Flood could be another surviving Time Lord or a pantheon named the Storyteller. And she could be the obe who took the golden tooth.
These are what I belive are happening after the finale.
I think the “Penzance” sticker on Mrs. Flood’s suitcase may be a significant clue to her identity. Penzance is a town in Cornwall, but in the ancient Cornish language “Penzance” translates to “Holy Headland”. The area also has odd folklore, including an Arthurian legend about a place near Penzance called Lyonesse- a land that sank into the sea in a single night. She’s definitely a deity of some sort, but who knows what big plans she has in store? Only time will tell!
Shockingly bad.
RTD has never mentioned to build a finale that matched his penultimate episodes. How is this shocking at all?
Not bad
I’m calling it, Mrs Flood is Iris Wildthyme and she’s trolling us all - dressed like Clara, with a name (Flood) that could be linked to Rani or River, not revealing if she’s good or bad, making it snow around Ruby, trolling even Sutekh with not letting him see Ruby’s mother anywhere in time or space.
Am I the only one who when Rubys mum pointed at that sign and everyone was like “Oh she named you after the road” I sat there like…. We knew that already didn’t we? 😂, Such a stupid idea as well dramatically pointing at a sign when 0 people could see her 😂
The whole thing was basically RTD’s attempt at doing a Thanos. And like literally every time he has threatened some insane apocalypse, we know it’s going to get fixed so there’s zero tension. I did like ruby in cargo pants and a vest tho, that was niiiiiice
What i understand is that Sutekh couldnt see Rubys mother so, he sort of created the myth about her, and probably gave Ruby the snowing thru the time Window and remember Tardis. Once Sutekh it's defetead, the mistery is solved.
Not unlike how Bill’s memory of her mum helped defeat the Monks.
So where was the twist in the end there alway a twist at the end
He could do everything else but see some young woman by a church. What!!
Mrs Flood
Well, what can i say .....
She was aware of the oncoming disaster, how many people new Sutekh or "he who waits" was loose on earth - just unit staff
Also when the sand / dust storm was coming, we did see glimpses or the radio and static with warning message, but not good enough for a real warning
So she is no normal woman .... she has at least some idea of what is happening around her ( and far away )
Now the ending, dressed in white and it is snowing, so now i am toying with the idea she is related to Ruby as the final episode was not set in winter xmas and to me it appears she also has the power to make it snow as well
She will come back to haunt us
Maybe the problem really is showrunners who want to be public figures and celebrities in their own right. The temptation to get people talking about *you* always has to be there.
Perhaps we'd be better served by a showrunner who just curates other people scripts to ensure they are consistent rather than going down the Buffy The Vampire Slayer route and the series be one person's vision with others given limited imput.
An ordinary woman , a nurse ?
I know nurses are well from ordinary. They are amazing and special.
Firstly an Empire requires a population over which someone rules. If they're all dead then there's no Empire. Then second, third, fourth etc. It didn't make sense. It was resolved with magic rope and a spoon, not any scientific explanation. It was just Infinity War on a small scale. The end of a dire season with a rubbish finale. Was Sutekh travelling on both the two Tardises? I have so many questions but quite frankly, it's so badly written that I don't care. Who will watch series 2 of a show aimed at such a small non-discerning audience? Disney probably want their money back. I don't blame them. We've all been conned.
Exactly this and of course the more you question and ask for explanations the more you realise none of it makes any sense much like 73 yards. Russell T Davies comes up with great ideas and has literally no resolution for them. It's like he writes the first version but never goes back and changes it and see how it all interacts with other things written. Like you say once you start asking for a simple explanation what's going on you end up 10 more questions
@@CyberSlammer2024 he doesn't even come up with great ideas, most of his ideas have been done before and done better. He really is a hack.
So at the end of time... "Me" is dead? Cuz they didn't return there.
And the doctor rememberd the Beatles :
"He's not your dog he.s my dog! The TARDIS my dog my dog!!!" -The Dotor and his whistle
i forgot about 'Me' so im curious of how the gas/dust affected her. also curious how it affected captain jack too!
@@Injustice2Mobile-TAKthat's true as Jack can't die. I assume as Sutekh is death itself he can kill Jack but idk
@@rogueparagon9952 Sutekh isn't death, the Fendahl is.
@@rogueparagon9952 Hm maybe,or somehow he got off world. But Sutekh said the only ones alive were the doctor,mel,and ruby. So maybe he got off world or maybe the gas kept destroying his body the second abit of it comes back because,in torchwood,when he was just a skeleton head i think,jack start regenerating slowly and coming back to life. even drowing in cement over and over again
@@rogueparagon9952 "That is not dead which can eternal lie, / And with strange aeons even death may die." - H.P. Lovecraft
I loved the ending. But in all honesty, who leaves a baby on a doorstep in the middle of the night when it's freezing cold and snowing. Could have frozen to death or be kidnapped by goblins Also, there was no reason for anyone to open the door to find the baby who wasn't crying.
The audience should not be better writers than the writer themselves.
The Doctor eplained the snow in part 1, when he was explaining why he couldn't just go back to that time again. That the moment in time was so unstable and raw it was bleeding through into the present.
I do have one big beef with this episode. Ruby referred to her biological mother as her "real" mother. Carla is her real mother. She should have said birth mother or biological mother. Every adopted child I know who has a good relationship with their adoptive parents always means their adoptive parent when they just say mother and even if they later meet and have a relationship with the birth parents those are the ones that get a distinguishing description.
The "real" mom thing bothered me too. She said it before this episode too.
And how would the mother know that she had actually been called Ruby the adopted parents could have changed her name
Love the hint that Miss Flodd might be Missy Flood, Sea...
Miss Sea,
Missy !!
Okay, we got it
@@victormatos9935 be safe friend, i sure will be acknowledging it if i end up being wrong
Lucille.... Lu cille... Loose seal...
@@simonbackpack Mae Estrow, and Cap Halde... Maiche Hell Gaume Hez... we know it's silly... but sue tech takes the cake
I'm afraid I'm just bored of everything now all of these fantastic thrilling build ups that go nowhere
The spoon scene was not unnesecarry it was showing the world after and how precious everything was. Things we use for regular day use being so precious and also shows us how other people are experiencing the whole thing
Yeah understand the concept, but it wasn't believable.
Because nothing in the imaginary tardis was made of metal?
@@simonbackpackalso, where tf was the Tardis fabricator?
Just because something sounds good doesnt make it necessary
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 it was very nesecarry and was one of the esbestas parts of the episode
@@simonbackpack the memory tardis was barely working, imagine taking one Sam all chunk out of it
Hmm CHANGEE (next doctor please) 😂😂
Why does Ruby's mum point at the Lamppost to name the child? The baby was named at the hospital? How would they have known?
Timey-wimey
I suppose sutekh was just chill with the tardis being nearly destroyed by the daleks, exploding in the big bang and being controlled by House in The Doctors Wife 💀
Doctor Who for you..
Honestly, Sutekh clinging to the outside of the Tardis when House was in control is fine imo. Tardis was never Destroyed by the Daleks, we COULD argue that Suthek being death, stopped Death so that Meta-crisis Doctor could be born (thus rendering Donna useless but nevermind that...). The BIG BANG though... Is the hard one for me, because not only does the Tardis explode, it does so in an alternate Timeline where the Doctor is trapped until he is summoned back by Amys memories to "our" reality. So Sutekh had ridden through parallels too. He is swirling with "void stuff" though, should've kept the 3D glasses from when the Daleks came through with the void sphere.
Why was there a powerful song inside the soul of Ruby? The snow and the song weren’t just an illusion, it was genuine, and proven by the very nature of music itself. Pretending that never happened and going on to preach how people are prone in over-invest in a person/concept is very disingenuous.
I did see another comment that said it was explained in TLoRS the doctor said because the that day was so thin and fragile the past was leaking through, didn't feel like much of an explination to me either.
@@TardisTalks Personally, I’m not too against the premise of ordinary people gaining significance because powerful individuals overthink things, however it is obvious that this simply teaches the audience to not expect anything exciting as any “clue” could be written off as “a god thinks you’re important! lol but you ain’t” scenario.
I'm sorry I love this series and I loved the last episode, biggest 15 fan, but this sucked hard hard
From the Tennant Specials up until 15's 7th Episode i was in love. Then this came out and I was sitting most of the episode thinking "huh?..."
@@YoghurtKiss Its funny because the writing in this episode is just as bad as all the writing in those previous episodes. Maybe you should rewatch them to see where all the negativity was coming from
So..... Chibnall ghostwrote this finale?
Power of the Doctor was Shakespeare and Goethe compared to this nonsense.
Hahahahahahhaa, best comment I've read so far. But no, sadly this is very on point for RTD. He likes to build up 2 part finales where the 1st part is HOLY HELL THIS IS AWESOME THE VILLAIN IS WINNING HOW IS THE DOCTOR GOING TO STOP THIS?!?!?!?! And then part 2 is... Oh... With the power of love.
The point of the scene with the spoon in my opinion is that kindness saved the day. She was hesitant to give metal to the Doctor as on that world it was in high demand. It was her kindness to the Doctor that played a part in saving everyone.
hesitant to hand over a spoon cos it used to be in high demand on a dead world? What! FRTD
Yes, exactly and the Doctor even said that this was a real thing and not part of Tardis' memory so it makes sense that it is a part of the Tardis.
Had the Woman been say... The horrible blonde girl from Dot and Bubble, who now had become trusting and kind etc, the scene would have had impact. But it was a random woman, on a random planet and it was a random spoon. Meant nothing to the viewer.
but how the hell was she alive until the doctor somehow magically shows up the the last person alive on that planet?????????
@@DeusLucifer She wasn't the last person on Earth, as she said in the scene. She stopped existing when her past completely got wiped.
It still hasn’t explained why it snows around Ruby. Or why the Maestro found there was sosomething wrong with her. Ruby may be born to human parents, but she could still be another God’s creation. This is what happened with Susan Triad. Sutekh created Susan, but she was still born to human parents. I’m not sure if this will be picked up in the next season though.
Many characters in this whole season were just normal ordinary women who did extraordinary things, Ruby, Carla, the spoon woman, Ruby’s birth mother, etc. I liked that as a theme, and I wonder if it is supposed to be a balancing point to the timeless child, which RTD said mattered this season.
As good as the message is it just nullifies all the set up and now the fantasy element is purely based on salt - we’re given no explanations as to why dr who has changed beyond “we do fantasy with goblins now” the science is purely limited to technobabble without any depth and the history lessons that old who had are erased. I really enjoyed a lot of this series especially “the legend of ruby Sunday” but when you just leave things unanswered with an unsatisfying explanation it just doesn’t make good sci fi. I think the only good thing about this finale is the point you make here which is v important but maybe not with the fantasy scene that has been set up and foreshadowed
There's so many examples of how Sutekh wasn't attached to the TARDIS all this time, especially during Moffats era. Remember when the TARDIS almost completely gets eaten? (The doctors wife). Was Sutekh only going to take action IF it got far enough? Ehh? So many more episodes I could bring up where this doesn't make sense.
Also why did the Dr mention spiridon especially? The Dr visited spiridon before he encountered Sutekh!?
Yeah I get that the snow was a temporal connection but they still didn’t explain it, annoys me too!!
The whole Timewindow Tardis annoyed me. WE HAVE 14th FUNCTIONING presumeably NON-SUTHEK Tardis home at Donnas place. But the memory of a Tardis, works as a Tardis and is strong enough to drag Sutekh through the Vortext with some rope?
What the hell was up with the Doctor throwing a temper tantrum?!?! Throwing a hissy fit isn’t being a bad ass. Why did he lie to Ruby and not tell her the 4th Doctor was him with Sarah Jane? He’s never not pointed out himself like that before. He likes pointing out when he’s being clever. He just become a crybaby that has no inner strength. I thought he left his sadness and insecurities with 14 when he bi-generated. That was the whole point of it all. The Doctor should have noticed Mel was falling under Sutakh’s influence too. Usually he notices everything like that. Remember, clever. Not the 1st time he’s used a spoon to win a significant battle.
Ms. Flood, was acting very Missy like at the end but this show has been all hype and no delivery.
He did notice mel
He wasn't "throwing a tantrum" ALL LIFE IN THE UNIVERSE WAS DESTROYED. you know what's being a badass? Being emotionally adept enough to recognize how monumental a loss the entire universe was.
Come on. Stop being reductive.
Bad writing? Absolutely. But don't come for the doctor.
Yall need to get over the fact that badass men can cry now.
everyone was forgetting things due to Sutekh. Like the woman who gave him the spoon forgetting her baby died.
The doctor didn’t lie he just forgot that the 4th doctor was him
The fucking universe died because HE traveled all over it and unwittingly allowed Sutekh to plant bombs all over time and space. No shit he’s gonna be sad. And as for not noticing Mel, he literally did
@@alicem2103 13 killed the entire universe off already in Flux. Including our solar system. Near as I can tell, they’ve never explained how it still exists in the first place. Of course, I try to pretend 13 never happened at all. So, that helps. Jumping up and down while screaming will always be throwing a tantrum too by the way. 15 doesn’t act like an ancient Time Lord at all.
To me, Mrs. Flood looked like an evil mary poppins.. She can't be a Missy, because she was around a long time before the mMaster's tooth was picked up by whoever. Maybe she was the one who picked up the tooth, but I don't see her as having access to unit. I dunno. She was definitely evil in this episode and new all about sutehk before anyone else did. maybe she's the "boss." Or is the Boss's secretary, lol Until someone explains to me the whole when did sutehk climb off the real tardis onto the new one made by the toymaker, I'm not going to believe he had "hundreds of years of control" of the new Tardis that is only 6 months old. According to the episode he was hanging onto the Tardis through how many doctors? But that Tardis stayed with number 10. Very confused right now.
Yeah, she is giving Missy vibes with that outfit but I don't believe it is Missy for a second, She could be the boss but I don't think that either, I think she isn't so much the bad guy but just a very mysterious woman of sorts, Yeah that is a good point to be honest.. when did he decide on climbing off and on to the new one.. unless he was moved by the toymakers hammer...
Not saying she is Missy BUT... Timelords CAN travell in time. "She was around a long time before..." is not an argument for a Timelord. Hell the Doctor even says verbatim "i'm down there right now with my grand daughter susan".
@@TardisTalks Wait... I thought 10/14 got the Cloned Tardis?... I might be misremembering. But if 10/14 kept the Original, then NOTHING here makes sense.
@@YoghurtKiss !0/14 Kept the original. 15 took the clone with the jukebox. Nothing here makes sense.
For such a great season...it was such a let down. Ruby's mom stuff made no sense with all the stuff that happened. The way they beat Sutekh just didn't make sense either. Like so you could do this to ANY of the "unbeatable" gods that you have to outsmart, and also Sutekh can't survive something that Jack Harkness can.
I agree even tho the old series had the doctor outsmart Gods they were not treated as foolish from silly writing.Its not just Doctor Who sc-fi in general now has the worst writing in my lifetime I have to go back and watch the old stuff continuously to enjoy this genre.
Did I miss something about the Rope why didn't he just turn it to dust to get free from it
Did I miss the great season?
I mean, to be fair, Jack technically did survive hanging onto the Tardis
@@CyberSlammer2024 This, so much this. ROPE defeats the GOD OF DEATH WHO CAN TURN THINGS INTO DUST
I must say I am quite enjoying this new comedy version of Doctor Who. The idea of bringing back Sutekh and then defeating him with a rope, a whistle and a spoon is hilarious ! I hope we can enjoy more episodes of the comedy version while waiting for the real show to come back.
Sorry but a message about ordinarily people are special and can be heros who do amazing things is a terrible story arc for Doctor Who....a story arc that has been dragged on and on for 8 episodes. Doctor Who is a sci fi show not a soap opera. This part 2 episode will be panned on social media and rightly so.
I like when all the planets came back he didn't mention Skaro so does that mean the daleks are still gone?
Or he just didn't care enough to check.. haha
@TardisTalks When it comes to Mrs Flood however I suspect she could be the watcher who just observes the doctor and universal events although I know nothing lol
Bonnie Langford absolutely stole the show ❤
I started this ep with very high expectations cause season has been stellar so far, in my opinion, and I really enjoy RTD writing (usually). Mid way I decided to just lower my expectations to "just suspend disbelief and enjoy" but at the end with [spoilers] ..her name? From pointing? But how would the priest have known? And the solution being the same as the Pyramids OM basically? Is half of Sutekh hanging on to Tennant's Tardis? Why did it snow around Ruby? Because a couple of people wondered about who her mum was? What? It kinda ripped me out of the show completely when I realized they had probably written it and someone said "shit... wait... how would her mum know her name was Ruby?" or such lol. And the SPOON?? In all of the universe throughout all time you ... A SPOON? Ugh.
The only good episodes imo that actually had me hooked were Boom and 73 yards. All the others have been so forgettable. The season finale was good imo as a whole but the very ending and explanations were really underwhelming. But if we’re being honest, not a single episode from this season can match blink, Dalek, parting of the ways, doomsday, the end of time etc and so many more. It’s just been underwhelming.
There is no spoon.
73 yd did exactly the same at built up a really good mystery adventure and yet the last 5 minutes explained nothing and left you very very Unsatisfied. Russell T Davies is a terrible science fiction writer and should go back to writing real life drama and leave Doctor Who in the hands of a capable science fiction producer
@@CyberSlammer2024 I agree on most of that but the 2005-2010 under his reign was brilliant. He just needs to do more of that. He’s trying to hard to make Doctor who different
I think back then he was more worried about making Doctor Who watchable and now he is more worried about making Doctor Who shocking and having a message and it's just trash now. I don't know who it's aimed at it must be 3 year olds with no brain
Yeah-yeah, Ruby's ordinary. Why then snow and carol of the bells anywhere when she thinks of her mother and so on? Such a plot hole...
So the mother was a nobody, ok I can accept that but how did the church know to name her after a sign the mom pointed at that nobody at the church saw her point to!? I can’t help but feel they wrote a mystery without having an answer. It just feels like the script needed another draft. (Also don’t get why Toymaker was scared of Sutekh? One kills and the other manipulates reality.)
This was my point in one of my Theory Videos, Sutekh should have come before The Toymaker because essentially The Toymaker is more powerful than sutekh, If the toymaker wanted to he could turn the universe to dust just as easily..
This doctor can do every emotion very well apart from anger or revenge he hesnt quite believable when he is almost threatening someone and trying to scare the villain I just don’t believe it and it doesn’t come across very well.
So did the 11th Doctor recreate Sutekh when he rebooted the universe? Or do I just go along with it? 🤔
There have been way too many massive stories as you say and they all start to contradict each other
@@CyberSlammer2024 I guess that with a show that’s been running as long as this, there are always going to be more questions than answers, although the odd reference to it here and there wouldn’t be such a bad thing.
@charliesarasyoutubeadventu7539 yes I think the problem is each showrunner tries to out do and make it the biggest and most dramatic ending and you get to a stage where they all just merge into one I think they need to stop doing this huge dramatic finale and concentrating good individual stories
@@CyberSlammer2024exactly. That’s what makes Series 10’s finale so good. It’s not as high stakes as the others, but it still feels tense because it’s an impossible situation to beat. The Doctor didn’t even win, he just bought time.
Sutekh died hearing River say Goodbye to the doctor billions of times, then rode the Tardis from an alternate timeline back to witness the wedding of the Ponds, wholesome dog.
I believe this kind woman and her planet will show up again in Season 2. She is in this story to tie her into the next season long arc.
The end of Ruby's story arc was Amy's story arc in season 5 where she got back her parents.. remembered her parents (remember heh) without the ''wait for us we're not leaving you Madman''
Sutekh the god of death defeated by going walkies in the time vortex and I was majorly disappointed by Ruby not being the daughter of 8's companion Lucy Miller
I'm sorry to have to hold up a mirror to the fans, but the ones complaining about Ruby's mum are the same people who always moan when a companion is touted as being incredibly important/most important woman in creation etc. At least this was human and grounded.
She was still the most important woman in creation..even though she was ordinary. Like nothing changes that fact because russel said she was normal.
I honestly thought Sutekh was gonna be defeated by the Dr taking him to The Impossible Planet & trapping him in The Satan Pit.....
The issue is ruby is set up to return so i think we get the what now with her but also mayby we arent to much of the mark with the trickster leaving a pice of himself inside ruby to someday use her as a vessel becaus RTD didcsay in a i terviww we should be worried for her and so far nothing has happend ther.
I'm always amazed when folk say something in Doctor Who doesn't make sense. As if it's a drama based on real life. The entire premise of the show doesn't make sense.
It wasnt a bad episode.... But after that build up I was expecting something bigger!
Great video, mate. To me, the episode was... fine. I liked it. but i feel like this whole season leaned in much too heavily into the "bullshit ending pulled out of the writer's arse" way of solving everything neatly by the end. I'm aware that this has always been the show's way of doing things, but for some reason, it bothered me this season more than ever before. Maybe it just wasn't handled very well, or maybe i'm getting older and more sensitive to these things. In any case: Gatwa became one of my favorite Doctors, up there with Tom Baker and Matt Smith. Likewise, Ruby is one of my favorite companions. Millie Gibson's acting is, mmm, chef's kiss. Seeing her go is my biggest disappointment. Looking forward to many more seasons with the Fifteenth Doctor!
Dr Whoopsie has jumped the shark
very confused by this episode. i dunno if it was the worst of the season. space babies was pretty darn goofy. but i feel like there was a lot of hype around this episode for it to end up just being RTD hitting CTRL+Z once again.... he loves to just cause mass death or destruction and just press UNDO on everything and everythings good again. It makes it feel kinda cheap. Almost as cheap as Moffat killing characters over and over again and always being like "fooled you" Ruby being shocked by who her mom was.... the whole time being dressed like Jenny.... Curious if there was a potential 2nd ending here where she was the Doctors Daughter since they did also reveal this season that Susans mother wasnt even born yet. But we also confirmed Ruby was human not timelord or anything so.... Some really cool potential here just to have it all kinda fall flat for me in the end. The thing that made Ruby so amazing and special was..... That she was ordinary, born to an ordinary teen pregnancy where she was give up as an infant to protect her from a worse life likely full of abuse. Kinda sets a false tone for adopted people too though. Reuniting with your birth parents isn't always happy. Resident Alien did a great example of how sometimes youre better off not meeting your birth mother. I feel like more often than not shows like to make it seem like its only sunshine and rainbows finally getting that closure.
still pretty much enjoyed the whole season even though i felt let down by this episode. curious if we will see Ruby again RTD does love to bring back companions. This whole season has been bitter sweet for me sadly knowing Millie hadnt been signed on for a 2nd season right out of the gate then only having an 8 episode season growing to love these 2 together and now feeling robbed of potentially 5 more episodes if we stuck to the good old 13 but even just 2 more episodes if we went with the 10. But I guess its Better than how they completely sabotages Flux which had way to grand a story to wrap up in so few episodes
Not it for me. I had been so excited and though i enjoyed alot. Overall it was underwhelming. Being at tbe cinema was cool.
I loved him moving the TARDIS round for some reason. This gave me a greater sense of his power than him turning everything to dust. Possibly my favourite scene as it gave me a chill.
The point was Ruby wasn't special; but also was. The Doctor always says we are all special, all important, this was that as the solution to a big puzzle. Suhtek is defeated by his own arrogance in needing to know the one piece of information that somehow always eluded him through his entire journey through space and time on the TARDIS. He could not know who Ruby's mother is because we were seeing a time window based on her memories, and not knowing who her mother is is such a big part of her that the window could not show it. Ruby doesn't know, she only knows the pain of not knowing; like a face in a dream that always pulls away from us. Suhtek could not handle that.
Suhtek's ego made Ruby special. And he cannot handle that any of us are special, we are all special, life is special, he could not avoid seeing something special about her.
I did not like this ending at all. Why would a teenager dress in a hooded robe, drop her baby off at a church, creepily point at a road sign, and then walk away? At what point does she name the baby Ruby if she got the idea after she dropped the baby off? And then Sutekh having been travelling invisibly the entire time murdering entire planets really makes the entire show really dark and ruins all of the wins the Doctor had along the way. I did like the reunion with Ruby's mother though.
Not to mention that the hooded woman had the deportment and walk of an older woman rather than that of a teenager.
@@nikonbear7882 and then her mom is just an ordinary woman except for the fact that a genetics test freaks out, and various other clues that she's special. Her daughter can create snow, but no her mom is just a person...
I agree, none of it added up for me either.
Total trash writing. Does Davies think we're morons?
@@stevkyt2374 if The Acolyte episode 3 didn't exist, I would say this episode was the worst episode of TV this year
The finale leaned too much on classic who. The whole mystery of Ruby's mom pointing to a street sign seems to me something a six year old could imagine and write. Huge letdown there.I also hated the idea that Sutech's minions so easily took over the tardis or that he's been effectively stowed away around the tardis since the Pyramids of months nonsensical Surely Captain Jack would have got more than he bargained for when he hitched a ride to the end of the universe! Surely he would have told the Doctor that something was afoot. Failing that the Tardis's psychic circuits would have issued some kind of warning... Of course the Finale also doesn't add up because Russell forgot that this isn't the same Tardis as the one from Pyramids of Mars!
Sutekh was attached to the tardis since the 70's?
Tardis was SPLIT in two, the original is sat in London.
The worlds most feared and powerful god was defeated by leashing him like a dog.
This is SUCH a shameful finale, RTD should be fucking ashamed of himself, never in the history of who has there been such a SHITE episode that answers absolutely fuck all.
Who is Mrs Flood? Ms Stress?
The spoon lady story…. 🥄 😢❤
Sure, it was a nice scene. But... Who was she? Why couldn't it be ANY character that we had met during the season? I could've been the daughter of the soldier. The blonde bitch from Dot and Bubble. Hell it could even be a Goblin!
What a load of complete bollocks! If we are to believe that Sutekh was hiding in the TARDIS since 1975, does that mean there's another Sutekh in a garden in North London with Doctor 14? That's after all is the original TARDIS? If Ruby's mum is a nobody and Ruby is a human, why the snow and the music and all the mysterious garbage we've had to endure. This rubbish is an insult to people who trusted in RTD to deliver something better than an episode of EastEnders. Count me out for next season.
I loved it :) it’s a 2 season arc… I don’t want all answers given at once! I love that Ruby found her parents and I love the mystery’s of Ms Flood. It was intense, sad and happy! The visuals were amazing! I actually cried when Ruby finally met her mom the scene was acted so beautifully!
it isnt a two season arc, that was your arc. The only thing that is carried over is mrs flood but she has nothing to do with this arc nor did she impact anything in this one.
I hope they explain why ruby makes it snow
Timey Wimey, memory Tardis, power of love *cough cough*
This was legit an Avengers: Endgame Rip-Off, but without the *SPOILERS* Sacrifices at the End
Am I missing something? How have you already seen it?
It's on bbc iplayer, has dropped at midnight for every episode.
Friendly reminder.
Everyone has their own opinions, and if you're flaming someone because their opinion is different from your own, you need to reflect on the way you interact with people online.
I think I’ve missed this but why did the tardis land twice on ruby road?
Clara confirmed!
I was thinking the same with Mrs Flood.. Oh Clever Boy...
the reason people are so infuriated is because we now have to WAIT till fking christmas to get more who and we're all left here totally underwhelmed. I honestly think this finalle is grounds to have RTD sacked from the show for life. its THAT bad
I don't think I would go that far.. it was definaly way better than anything Chibnall gave us..
@@TardisTalks i mean yes but to me "giant douche vs turd sandwich" isn't an argument. i dunno man i just feel so fucking betrayed xD
Disappointing and confusing ending there. Such a cop out pretending there wasn't anything mysterious going in at all.
Yeah it's great she got a nice resolution but it involves mental gymnastics on that event on Ruby Road and a bunch of plotholing to do so.
visually looked good but after 5 mins everyone dies we all know they will come back, RTD was bigging this up so much i think the Disney money has already gone to his over inflated ego as in (ooo look at the special effects) this must have been the easiest episode to write taking ideas from other things is not new everyone does it , but this was ridiculous, good bits here and there 5/10
Mrs Flood at the end was very east 17😅
I feel like we got last Jedied treatment like in star wars
Hi Pretty good review
Yes i agree Legend of Ruby Sunday was a better episode.,
To many plot holes and loose ends
1. Why would Ruby's mum turn around and point to the street sign - there is no one there to see, unless the nun from the orphanage came to answer the door bell and saw her, but that is not possible as she was facing the other way and walking away.
2. She had walked ( i dont recall if she saw him ) past the doctor, did she expect him to understand, call her ruby
3. The snow - troll loose end
4. The lady on the other planet with the spoon, i think that was a red herring as the baby basket and new born - i think people were expected to jump to conclusion Ruby is from another planet and the doctor took mother and child back to earth for safety - this sort of works as it would have happened in
doctors future so he does not know about it - but it never happened
We were spoon fed into this false senario
5. Sutekh - really he a cannot break a simple strap - the all mighty god
6. Mrs Flood another mystery, but she seemed to imply in the bedroom she was not just a normal person
7. No explanation of who ( female ) pick up the toymakers tooth that imprisons the master
Can't stand RTD s writing it was more soap opera than Doctor who . Need more writers and have a team not just one man with a huge ego.
I've been saying exactly the same thing throughout this whole season. Russell T Davies should stick to writing dramas like It's a Sin and give Doctor Who back to somebody who can actually write science fiction with quality scripts that make sense I'm sick to death of what he is doing this season has been appalling. He needs to go I quite agree with Christopher Eccleston.
I'm hoping they will bring in a brand new fresh showrunner after the Following season if they keep it going with dwindling viewing figures. And this time bringing someone who isn't a fan
i’m glad ruby isn’t getting another season a complete letdown. 8eps is not it needs to be at least 10. her mom being an ordinary person is such rubbish which made her pointing at the sign make even less sense. suhteks defeat was wack i wish he got dropped in a black hole or something more devious for erasing the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. 73 yards was also a let down thought we would get an answer for that ep but i’m not too worried about that. what makes that episode one of the best who eps oat is its shroud of mystery. the doctor cry’s tooooooo much it makes it less meaningful every time he breaks down. i hope they don’t bring in unit as much for next season. i also hope they bring martha jones, georgia tennant, and a black companion for future seasons. add more to the tardis like the 8th, 11th, and 12th doctors. overall it’s a decent start to disneys doctor who but can someone pls stop disney from monopolizing all these great franchises. next will be game of thrones or harry potter. they always go for franchises with extensive world building.
don’t get me wrong ncuti’s portrayal of the doctor is top tier and him crying is an amazing performance. the writing is hindering him from fully embracing his role and so is the season length.
Not worth the wait. RTD has spent the whole season building up everyone's expectations and then was like... lol just kidding, its nothing. Waste of time, lets get a different show runner soon. Cause this guy has lost his touch. Its like he watched Chibnall's era and got corrupted or something. Cause its giving me those vibes.
J. Michael Straczynski applied for the showrunner job. They gave it to Davies. Can you imagine how different that would have been?!
Unfortunately we have another whole series of this guy as a show runner and he clearly cannot write science fiction he needs to go ASAP
@@donatist59the biggest issue with DW today is that we have no new blood. Every showrunner now has been with the show since the early seasons. We need newer writers
Worse than The Twin Dilemma
You mean The Acolyte?
@@GarydeBrownNo he was referring to one of the least liked Dr Who stories. Why would The Acolyte be relevant? The Twin Dilemma was a masterpiece compared to this trash.
Colin Baker was 100 times better doctor
The Acolyte would presumably be relevant because they wrote "which twin was it and is the other one even alive" story mystery arc then ended it towards the start of episode 1 somewhere. You described that utter shite perfectly by using the Doctor Who title without indicating that it was a title for anyone who didn't know. Hence it seemed like you were talking about the other current dumpster fire show.
What 15 year old wears that type of cloak ffs? I want everybody to know I want my baby to be named ruby but will just take the chance that someone will find her on the steps of the church during a snowstorm in the middle of the night ? Sutekh died like a whimpering muppet. Killed everybody off so easily then dies so easily. On a dog lead too!!!!! Why is Sutekh on this tardis and not the memory tardis ior the REAl tardis with the 14th Docotor. Why does it snow? What was 73 yards all about? Why does the Doctor cry all the time? Utter shite and like lots of others, I will now go abd touch grass. Gave it all I could but what poor poor writing. Been watching avidly since mid 70's.
You do know RTD was literally saying you're as important as you think you are right? That's a bad thing? I think you all really need to question that if anyone has issue with it I'd say really needs to tale a long time to really think about the significance of that. We define how important we are amd jpw important people we look up to are. We hold all the power to do whatever we wish
yes !! I thoroughly enjoyed Ruby's arc, I love that she was just a human and an ordinary companion. My favourite part of this season 💕
the christmas special being the first ep blew me. i feel like i’ve been cheated. 8eps👎🏽. fk disney and their political standpoint.
The Church of Disney is repugnant.
EMPIRE OF 💩💩💩💩
For the first time Ncuti showed his poor acting range. The story? What story😡✌🏻🔷🔷🔷