5150 Gets a New Output Transformer

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  • Опубліковано 15 жов 2022
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  • @rat4spd
    @rat4spd Рік тому +35

    I don't consider it weird watching a competent tech fix things.

    • @brucehayes7251
      @brucehayes7251 Рік тому +6

      Watching competent people fixing anything should give us a little insight into the challenges that we don't have to worry so much about. Maybe some,if they watch enough ,may work out that lots more `things' can be repaired rather than discarded

  • @blueslawyer
    @blueslawyer Рік тому +3

    I appreciate your commitment to the sanctity of lunch.

  • @sgt.grinch3299
    @sgt.grinch3299 Рік тому +4

    I enjoy watching your videos for three reasons. First, the education, secondly, your professionalism, and lastly, your sense of humor. Thank you Sir.

  • @davidfuller581
    @davidfuller581 Рік тому +3

    "Behind the knobs, a lot of loose nuts."
    I am a child and laughed.

    • @Jaggedknife11
      @Jaggedknife11 Рік тому +1

      You must be British.

    • @davidfuller581
      @davidfuller581 Рік тому +2

      @@Jaggedknife11 nah, I live in new england

    • @Jaggedknife11
      @Jaggedknife11 Рік тому

      @@davidfuller581 huh funny. I guess i always associated knob=dick with British slang.

  • @alanmcdonald6551
    @alanmcdonald6551 Рік тому +6

    Peavey fan here. Love yours and Brad's videos. 2 of my favorite channels.

  • @richardlynch5632
    @richardlynch5632 Рік тому +2

    Personally enjoy learning something new...which happens everytime you post a video... Thanks for this😎👍
    😎👍❤🖖

  • @PhuketMyMac
    @PhuketMyMac Рік тому

    Really informative. Thanks for sharing!

  • @vl292
    @vl292 Рік тому +2

    To state material does not have tensile strenght of steel is true as most likely those are made out of aluminium alloy, but tensile strenght is not what you’re looking for in that application. What you mean these metals, which may well be press&sinter manufactured from powder, are brittle. They are not ductile. Ductility would be great and would allow you to go plastic deformation without breaking. For technical discussion it’s important to use terms which are universially agreed and standardized.

  • @russellhltn1396
    @russellhltn1396 Рік тому +2

    As for what happened to the old transformer, I've got a guess. Output transformers have inductance as well as capacitance between the layers of windings. That forms a resonate "tank" circuit. If the output stage breaks into oscillation, that resonance can generate high voltages that will blow out the insulation on the windings. You've now got a shorted transformer that can take out the finals. That's theory, but what I can say for sure is that I have a few 1960's transistor amps (think small tape recorders) that have a push-pull output stage and output transformer. And they WILL oscillate if not loaded. The difference is since they're powered by 9V, the voltage doesn't get high enough to damage the transformer. The load boxes you talked about may not provide enough load to keep the power amp stable. Some models may work fine with some amps. But if they're not providing the same load as a speaker (which would make them run hot), they may not work with all amps.

    • @jutukka
      @jutukka Рік тому +1

      I remember that Peavey manufactured in the late 70's or early 80's at least Bass combo amplifiers which were pure transistor amps but the output stage used OT. A friend of mine asked me to install send/return into it which I did (this happened in 1987 or 1988) and I remember that I was a bit surprised when I saw the OT when opening it. Perhaps because of that OT it sounded IMHO quite good as well when I tried it then with my 1972 Gibson SG. (BTW that Gibson was a totally wonderful guitar but I was stupid and I sold it, and I still regret selling it. But that's totally another story.)

  • @Swodie_Jeetin
    @Swodie_Jeetin Рік тому

    I'm just here to learn best practices, and thankful for the good example to follow

  • @tracyc7813
    @tracyc7813 Рік тому +1

    I checked out Brad's channel and really liked it. I was really impressed with what he did to a couple of Roland JC-77's and would like to make those changes to my JC-77. So I sent him an email asking if he would share his notes. :o)

  • @rickjette9482
    @rickjette9482 4 дні тому

    Well heck,,, I love watching other people work.

  • @NitroModelsAndComics
    @NitroModelsAndComics Рік тому +2

    There is little more informative or entertaining than watchimg a learned craftsman ply his trade.

  • @williambock1821
    @williambock1821 Рік тому +3

    “Behind the knobs are a lot of loose nuts” sounds like the British aristocracy!

  • @goodun2974
    @goodun2974 Рік тому +2

    Because splined shafts that have compressed together are so prone to breaking when you try to spread them apart again, I don't recommend that newbies try it; but an alternative that won't do any damage is to put a bit of cutoff rubber band that is slightly longer than the diameter of the shaft into the slot before pushing the knob back on. Or, drape a very thin piece of rubber band over the shaft and push the knob back on. If it doesn't work, at the very least it's not likely to cause any further damage or impede further repairs. Another possibility is to put a small dab of thin non-hardening putty on the splined shaft or in the knob, but the putty might be difficult to remove later (especially from the inside of the knob), and it has to be very thin and soft or it'll take so much force to push the knob on that you might break the pot. It sure beats using glue, however. Don't glue knobs on!

    • @cpfs936
      @cpfs936 Рік тому

      You can also make spacers out of thin plastic to hold the splines apart. It's a bit fiddly, but it works.

    • @BradsGuitarGarage
      @BradsGuitarGarage Рік тому +1

      Never try to bend back pot-metal shafts.
      Generally, aluminium and to a lesser degree, brass, are malleable enough to have success if done carefully.

  • @David.S.
    @David.S. Рік тому +1

    Oooh a livestream, nice! a Q&A livestream in the future would be a good idea, if you could manage.

  • @geezberry8889
    @geezberry8889 Рік тому +6

    the guy that designed the amp was on Tone Talk. He said when he delivered the initial prototypes to Eddie, Eddie had some guy reverse engineer it and build a handwired one. I wonder where that amp is and how it sounds.

    • @alanmcdonald6551
      @alanmcdonald6551 Рік тому +4

      James brown. Nice man and has made a ton of great amps and pedals. Good interview on tone talk

    • @geezberry8889
      @geezberry8889 Рік тому

      @@alanmcdonald6551 for sure!

    • @chrisquinn9104
      @chrisquinn9104 Рік тому

      I think he may have said it sounded the same.

    • @DaCostaGuitars
      @DaCostaGuitars 7 місяців тому

      James has said that it sounded bad. Something about a handwired one didn't perform/interact as good as the Prototypes Eddie had built for him (prior to production launch).

  • @marka1986
    @marka1986 Рік тому

    People used to glue TV knobs on too. When glue was used for that it held on better than it did on anything else.

  • @Simon-hc9mi
    @Simon-hc9mi Рік тому +2

    I was shouting "no!" at 17:23. Hoped you would spot it before you used the punch.

    • @mikekukovec2306
      @mikekukovec2306 8 місяців тому

      Yeah - he marked the holes where he was going to drill, but then drilled them at the wrong spot, right? At 15:53 he makes marks to draw his center lines. Then at 16:45 he marks the spot for the mounting holes. But at 17:18 he uses the *centerline* marks instead of the *mounting hole* marks...

  • @lordgraga
    @lordgraga Рік тому +1

    Suhr, Fryette, and Waza are where it is at. The UA Ox box, like Torpedo Captor, has a “simplified” low end impendance curve without a proper resonance spike.

    • @evh1eddie1rocks
      @evh1eddie1rocks Рік тому

      The Waza is actually the worst. Suhr, two notes and fryette are better options!

    • @lordgraga
      @lordgraga Рік тому +1

      @@evh1eddie1rocks what’s with Waza? Also, two notes fails on the impedance curve.

    • @evh1eddie1rocks
      @evh1eddie1rocks Рік тому +1

      @@lordgraga the two notes actually has a a generic speaker curve that is actually suited for most IR’s.
      The Waza fails on the speaker curve and Doesn’t dissipate the amps load properly. Puts a lot of strain of the output transformer from the info I’ve looked into
      Love the idea of the built in effects with the Waza. The speaker speaker is exactly the reason why I didn’t choose this. It’s discussed in one of Dave Friedman’s tone talks

  • @darrylritter4275
    @darrylritter4275 Рік тому +1

    It’s not weird at all…. Regular tv … that s*** is weird lol. Thanks for these videos. Love’em!

  • @sevenity2677
    @sevenity2677 Рік тому

    If you want to learn anything in the world learn from someone! I learning and you actual talk and what’s in your head helps. What I need to learn is troubleshooting electrical theory and in line path troubleshooting.

  • @briandietrich1373
    @briandietrich1373 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for your videos! Do you think the 5150's benefit from a choke instead of the dropping resistor in the power supply?

  • @desvega5849
    @desvega5849 Рік тому

    Love your channel, Lyle. Not at all doubting you here, but I had no idea that Twin Reverb iron would work with a 5150.

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +3

      Four 6L6s, about the same primary impedance, “100W” rating (5150 is marketed as 120W but that’s selective measurement). And as there are no 5150 replacements from PV…

    • @desvega5849
      @desvega5849 Рік тому +1

      @@PsionicAudio and there it is, the wattage difference, I figured 5150's were too high... what do you mean by "selective"? And yes it's a shame what has become of Peavey.

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +3

      A 100W Marshall can put out 120W+ spikes. But its output at the onset of distortion is 100W. Which do you put in the sales literature?
      The 5150 voltages are close to a Twin’s. And none of the overdrive is really coming from the power section in this amp.

    • @desvega5849
      @desvega5849 Рік тому

      @@PsionicAudio Got it, thanks much. I was thinking maybe Peavey based it on that

    • @willchug
      @willchug Рік тому +1

      I emailed them a few months back and asked them about this exact transformer for a 6505+ and they recommended not to use this one. 🤷‍♂️

  • @DanOffGridInWyoming
    @DanOffGridInWyoming Рік тому +1

    I have a 5150 Block that's been sitting in the garage for about 10 years. I fired it up the other day and there's something wrong with it for sure. I live in WY and I'm going to have to ship it somewhere or drive it to Denver to deliver it and then make another trip to pick it up. Would you be willing to look at it if I paid for shipping?

  • @geezberry8889
    @geezberry8889 Рік тому +1

    any experience with the evh fender built amps? supposedly better build quality?

  • @richardnagamitsu1582
    @richardnagamitsu1582 Рік тому

    Is there much need to isolate the the power transformer from the chassis? Like using rubber grommets to isolate it from vibration?

  • @BradsGuitarGarage
    @BradsGuitarGarage Рік тому +1

    I can't wait to spam the hell out of your live-stream with witty limericks.
    I'll probably have just woken up and slammed 6-8 shots of espresso if you do it in the evening.

  • @BradsGuitarGarage
    @BradsGuitarGarage Рік тому +1

    Yeah BOI!
    You were jealous of me needing to clean grease from & retention every ribbon connector?

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +1

      That part was a drag. Just jealous of how the connectors easily slid off.

  • @hadleymanmusic
    @hadleymanmusic Рік тому

    The title should have been " 5150 $$$$$$ transformer replacement

  • @planetside718
    @planetside718 4 місяці тому

    how do I know if the power transformer is bad? my amp just has a loud hum, that's it. Something went out on it. It just hums a loud constant hum, no guitar signal.

  • @DetroitWrecker666
    @DetroitWrecker666 Рік тому

    I'm getting ready to start ordering parts to build a Fender Champ like amplifier. Actually I intend to build the "robrob deluxe" version. I'm curious which transformers you would go with if you were doing the same?

    • @skilletmccluskowskie389
      @skilletmccluskowskie389 Рік тому +1

      fwiw, i just built the deluxe micro off there, used hammond stuff from mouser.

    • @testing1two547
      @testing1two547 Рік тому +1

      The Champ chassis is really cramped so if that's the style of build you're going for, I would avoid transformers with extra taps you won't use because those are just extra wires you have to tape off and tuck out of the way. For example, a 'generic' Champ power transformers (like the Hammond 291AEX) will have 100V, 110V, 120V and 240V taps on the primary. Also, you don't necessarily need a PT with an HV center tap. You can make an artificial center tap with a pair of 100 Ohm resistors (this doesn't make a big difference in terms of lead dress, but there are some other advantages to the resistor method that are worth researching). Same principle applies with output transformers. Some will have taps for 4, 8, and 16 Ohm speaker loads so if you're just building the 1x8 combo, you don't need those extra wires. The point being you can order a Champ-spec transformer with all the taps you need and none of the taps you don't, and that will make your build a little easier and cleaner if such things matter to you.
      I really like Rob Robinette's Champ layout. Also worth looking into Doug Hoffman's layout (he's an excellent guy to buy materials and eyelet boards from as well). That said if I were going to recommend a Champ-style build to someone today, I'd recommend the 5F2 Princeton since it's 98% the same as a Champ but the larger chassis makes for an easier, cleaner looking build.

    • @DetroitWrecker666
      @DetroitWrecker666 Рік тому

      @@testing1two547 I have been in contact with Doug too. Having a heck of a time uploading the board I want.
      As far as chassis. This build is going into a old radio chassis and cab. There's plenty of room.

  • @DebonaireDerek
    @DebonaireDerek Рік тому +1

    Hey Lyle, what solder and wire do you use in tube amps? I trust your recommendation over Amazon reviews. 22 AWG? Kester? Thank you I love your channel.

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +2

      Thanks very much. I mostly use Kester 60/40 .03whatever. I use different wire for different amps and different parts of circuit. You have to know the current. In general 18AWG for octal heaters, then 20AWG to preamp heaters. Almost everything else in most amps can be 22AWG. I prefer teflon coated stranded.

    • @DebonaireDerek
      @DebonaireDerek Рік тому

      @@PsionicAudio I found the solder thank you 🍻. Is there a preferable brand of wire you like? Is there a maximum voltage? You are the man! Look forward to your tone talk 👍🏻

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +3

      Thanks. If you’re just starting out, tubedepot.com has a good selection of teflon coated wire.

    • @jc.1191
      @jc.1191 Рік тому

      @@PsionicAudio It's great stuff, but a little slick to cut for newbs.

  • @jonnybeck6723
    @jonnybeck6723 Рік тому

    Are there any 'signs' to check when using improper load boxes or impedance mismatches?
    Thanx in advance master Lyle

    • @PapaWheelie1
      @PapaWheelie1 Рік тому

      I had a speaker cable fail open to one of my cabinets. The amp was set to 8ohms and the working speakers were 16. Sounded thin and no bass response. Also was way down on volume. Luckily I stopped and didn’t burn up the transformer.

  • @richardyoung9773
    @richardyoung9773 Рік тому +1

    Could you not make new brackets that support the new transformer but attach through the old holes?

  • @FarBeyondMetalz
    @FarBeyondMetalz Рік тому +1

    This scares me because I use a load box with my 5150 fairly often. Is there a set of specifications to look at that would indicate more safety? I use the Suhr which I have heard is totally safe and have never had an issue.

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +3

      I trust John.

    • @cpfs936
      @cpfs936 Рік тому +1

      I wonder what the people who have problems are using. I'm not about to trust a cranked amp to the cheapest possible attenuator. (Full disclosure-I have a Fryette PS-2, and I have full confidence in that thing.) I also wonder when people blow up their amp with an attenuator, if they realized how hard the amp is actually working. For just about anything that's not new, I'd have a tech look over anything I intended to ride hard, just to tag any weak spots. One of the things I've learned from these kinds of videos is that if you do certain things wrong, other things can fail in an impressive (and potentially expensive) way.

    • @FarBeyondMetalz
      @FarBeyondMetalz Рік тому +2

      @@cpfs936 all good points. I appreciate how hard my amp is working when using a load box because the fans in the load box are going nuts and the box is still getting hot despite all that airflow 😂

  • @nikonmikon8915
    @nikonmikon8915 Рік тому +1

    Not that this is the topic of the video exactly but the UA OX (and an awful lot of others including two notes) have a very skewed impedance curve, specifically in the low frequency area of the graph. It has been a point of moderate interest amongst some tech savvy folks. These curves do not match your typical speaker curve but rather resemble a bathtub shape. This can present some dangerously high resistance to the transformer at dangerously low frequencies which could lead to frying the transformer. John Suhr has talked about this on a tone talk video with dave friedman a long time ago. Suffice to say the Suhr loadboxes have been graphed and do present a correctly shaped curve to the amplifier. The fractal loadbox is another one that does it right as well. With regards to just plain attenuators there are only 2 on the market that I'm aware of as of right now that are presenting proper curves to the amplifier (scary). Aracom's unit and a unit called the a2xr from a small one man operation in sweden called masterplant (who revealed these flawed curves in most attenuators on the market and which is where i first learned of them.)

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +2

      If I were to get one I’d get the Suhr.

    • @nikonmikon8915
      @nikonmikon8915 Рік тому

      @@PsionicAudio A competent choice indeed

    • @dwaynedelario
      @dwaynedelario Рік тому +1

      @@nikonmikon8915 So is the OX dangerous then? Will it blow my transformers? I would really love a clear answer on this. The Suhr is great but it isn't an attenuator. Which attenuators are safe? Does the Ironman II provide a proper curve?

    • @nikonmikon8915
      @nikonmikon8915 Рік тому +3

      @@dwaynedelario No the Ironman is another one that's barely "reactive", the masterplant guy posted some PDF's of his curve tracing of different products and they're abysmal. Aracom supposedly does it right, and the masterplant attenuator (obviously) does it properly as well. UA's response to people on their forums questioning this has been "how does it sound to you". I feel like this is a BS answer and avoids the issue. I know someone who was using a two notes with their Mesa Mark V and I told them about this and they switched to the Suhr and their tone changed. He said that he just accepted the awful low end, thought it was how the amp was supposed to sound... So how does it sound? probably bad. Does UA care? Not one bit. Every big name UA-camr has one in the fucking background of their videos reinforcing the false notion that their unit is good. It's not and it's expensive. Go figure....

    • @dwaynedelario
      @dwaynedelario Рік тому +2

      @@nikonmikon8915 Well this is a massive bummer. I actually like the sounds I get from the app, but the attenuated signal is fairly lacking. My biggest concern is that the Ox causes one of my bias modulated tremolo amps to thump. I am guessing the bathtub curve is involved. I can't risk any transformers going down or being slowly destroyed. Guess it's time to sell the Ox. I really did NOT want to get involved with IRs. Do you have a favorite IR loader?

  • @johnwilliamson467
    @johnwilliamson467 Рік тому

    aliexpress molex tools are cheap like 3 dollars . Having said that the Molex connector are not a good choose when voltage is much more than 100volts to be honest off the top of my head maybe rated on a very good day to 300vdc. Ok for lite duty heaters less than 5 amps .

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +2

      Well, ones worth having are expensive. I don’t buy anything from that site.

    • @johnwilliamson467
      @johnwilliamson467 Рік тому

      @@PsionicAudio Well given it a tube with a handle not so much in this case . That said there are a large number of very poor quality item on that site buyer beware. The point about that molex connector being a poor choose for the voltage in question does stand.

  • @brentstewart59
    @brentstewart59 Рік тому +1

    It's not weird at all for me. It feels like I'm in a classroom

    • @cpfs936
      @cpfs936 Рік тому +2

      Uncle Doug was the first of these channels I discovered. It's not surprising that he used to be a teacher. I'll bet he was a good one!

    • @brentstewart59
      @brentstewart59 Рік тому +2

      @@cpfs936 yes I subbed that channel years ago. Uncle Doug is fantastic

  • @richardnagamitsu1582
    @richardnagamitsu1582 Рік тому +1

    Do the live stream after 6pm ET if possible please.

    • @BradsGuitarGarage
      @BradsGuitarGarage Рік тому +3

      Any other requests? Want us to order you some UberEats? You allergic to peanuts or anything?

    • @BenState
      @BenState 9 місяців тому

      @@BradsGuitarGarage lol cunny funt Brad

  • @jutukka
    @jutukka Рік тому

    Is the situation today that you cannot get an OT as a spare part for a fairly new amp or is it just so that those original spare part transformers would be as poor quality as the blown original, and better option is just to upgrade to a OT made by Hammond or some other well known manufacturer?
    BTW, even in case of valuable vintage amps, if a transformer blows, almost nobody seems to consider trying to get the blown transformer repaired. Is it too difficult or even impossible to open the laminated core without damaging it etc.? Of course, if possible to repair it, it surely doesn't make sense economically but it would keep the amp's appearance more original. Same thing as restuffing electrolytic caps.

    • @cpfs936
      @cpfs936 Рік тому

      I think you can get transformers rewound, but I'll bet it ain't cheap to have it done right!

    • @BradsGuitarGarage
      @BradsGuitarGarage Рік тому +2

      Like with guitar pickups, transformer rewinds are usually only economically viable if you want to preserve the originality of an amp.
      Think of it like making one, but needing to take the time to break one carefully, first.
      The latter often takes longer than the former (no pun intended).

    • @PsionicAudio
      @PsionicAudio  Рік тому +3

      Peavey’s parts department is just about gone. I looked for OEM replacements, all out of stock. Rewinding a transformer is a pretty big expense so the Hammond made sense. And dollars.

    • @jutukka
      @jutukka Рік тому

      @@PsionicAudio Yes, in this case Hammond OT was probably a very good choise. (Except that you had to drill some extra holes. Drilling holes to chassis is something I personally love to hate.) I just quite recently tested one Hammond OT I purchased some time ago. Voltage ratio was perfectly spot on and it exceeded promised frequency response. Seems that they know what they are doing.

  • @Ottophil
    @Ottophil 7 місяців тому

    Lol i just borrow molex tools from work. Then I realize not everyone does that for a day job

  • @nigeldaddyo
    @nigeldaddyo Рік тому

    I'm starting to think this guy uses subliminal messaging to suck me in...even got me to subscribe, especially considering that I'm a modeling guy these days. Technically I still use real amps as I send my Helix (speaker modeling bypassed of course) into the power section-only of my Bad Cats. If I ever DO go back to a full-blown conventional amp rig, at least I know what to be leery of.

  • @jyd1656
    @jyd1656 Рік тому +1

    Michael Soldano in an interview said Peavey 5150 designer James Brown essentially ripped off his SLO-100 circuit design. Wondering how much truth there is to that statement?

    • @Swodie_Jeetin
      @Swodie_Jeetin Рік тому +2

      Brown added a couple of non cathode bypassed gain stages instead of the fifth stage cathode follower and directly drives the tone stack like a mesa mark series. At least he had the decency to tweak the design unlike Randall Smith who just literally copied Mike's work for the dual rec.

    • @scotthowe1972
      @scotthowe1972 Рік тому

      @@Swodie_Jeetin I've read that Mike copied Randall's design & that Randall copied Mike's design. Anyone know for fact which is true? Who came up with the original design?

    • @jc.1191
      @jc.1191 Рік тому +1

      @@scotthowe1972 Neither of those amps sound the same.