Did he go naturally or did he start tapping his pencil again…? Jokes aside, respect. The mission to the moon was the result of thousands of people working together like parts of an engine driving toward a goal that would redefine the human race.
@@dragonsword7370 I’m a romantic but going to the moon takes amazing work, which takes sacrifices……… I guess I’m a romantic but I’m more romantic about space travel.
@@dragonsword7370 Like one engineer put it "Some wives were wondering if we had mistresses. We did, and it was this rocket." Meaning, the Saturn V pretty much took over their lives.
@JZ's Best Friend I am reminded of the famous line in *The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance,* "This is the West sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Ah yes, the times when companies and contractors respected each other and themselves enough to call not only the winner, but also those who didn't get the contract and to stop them from hanging in limbo for whole week.
Wonder if they did that for job applicants back then too? "We'll let you know sometime next week" is almost as big a lie as "I have read the terms and conditions."
Imagine the mix of terror and excitement for the engineers - you know you just got a really important contract, and you also don't know whether what you proposed to do is even feasible in the real world of time, funding, and resources.
I can't help but think Grumman winning the lunar lander contract helped the F-14 become a reality, even though it got mated to a shitty engine in its earliest incarnations.
@@bugwar5545 I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you are not an engineer. Because if you were, you would know that that's not what motivated those people and that many of them sacrificed a LOT of themselves into this work. Engineers do what they do because they love it, and getting to do what you love on a project like this is a Dream come true.
@@jonjohns8145 "Engineers do what they do because they love it, ..." SOME Engineers. Most do what they do for the sweet, sweet paycheck. Which they do love, to be honest. That and a nice air conditioned workplace, as well as snob appeal.
@@bugwar5545 Air conditioning is little solace when it's 2:00 AM and you are pulling your hair out trying to figure out why the system you are working on STILL won't work as it should.
@@jonjohns8145 "Pulling your hair out..." doesn't sound like you're in a job you love. It does smack of loving that big pay check and frustrated at having to work for it.
My friend worked at Rocketdyne in California and worked on the space program. Later, he moved to Texas to work for other NASA contractors. After the first moon landing, he lost interest in engineering and became a custom home builder.
My grandfather was an engineer without an engineering degree who did a ton of work on the waste system. Even had to go up to MIT and explain what he was doing to the phds because they were so in the dark.
rabidklein Engineering: a man or woman who fixes problems and issues using his/her ingenuity... Your grandfather was an Engineer, of course he was... you might be one as well, the title is a fancy recognition... there is math and science involved with the title, but one can learn that on our own as well... with ingenuity.
Some of the best and most capable engineers don't have engineering degrees. The problem is that people with degrees often will look down on non-degreed engineers. These days a lot of places won't hire people without a degree irregardless of how smart and capable they are.
A degree does not equal Efficiency. And I 'm an Electrical Engineer. As a degree shows you can do the work. Know how to solve equations to problems that will come up. I mean would you get on an Airplane designed by high school student. I would want proof they know all the problems associated with Aerodynamics. Have the skills too. As fixing something. That someone else already designed. Is not what an Engineer does. Engineers design, build things given to them with all the constraints of budgets. Time limits and resources given them. As it first starts in the minds of Men. You can make it better. No problem. As you don't have those constraints. You have the advantage of fixing something that already exist. Has detailed schematics to repair it. So not the same as what Engineers deal with...
More like we're engineers and we are going to engineer the impossible, and we got a government contract. So we get to keep our jobs, and might hire more people. I doubt they'd be as good at their jobs without support from their families at home.
And after this comment was published, NASA discovered that Earth's "atmosphere" extends a bit beyond the Moon XD Science is trully magnificent, when we think we got it all figured out...
@@jmchdjaimerporkpuedolol3681 Well, calling the Geocorona the "atmosphere" is an example of what we in Denmark call "flueknepperi" or "flyfucking". Sure, it by definition is, but it's so insignificant as to not really matter regarding anything.
If you ignore the Russians doing the first Luna fly by, probe, probe to Venus, first man in space, first animal in space, first woman in space, first Satellite.
@@samuelfawell9159 I think what he meant was the Lunar Excursion Module was the first manned spaceship that flew exclusively in space. Other manned spacecraft were designed to land through an atmosphere. This was taken into space as cargo and only launched when in deep space. Before that you'd had only unmanned probes.
I love how they costumed the Grumman engineer,s in full-geek, 1962 garb: short hair,cuts black trousers, white dress shirt with pocket full of writing implements and a skinny black tie. Appaently different colors of pants, shits and ties didn't exist iback n 1962, a least not in dork land.
@@bremCZ stop pretending; did the Russians, Germans, etc. go to the moon? We designed it, we built it, we had the engineering and manufacturing and gumption to get it done. Did the British?
@@tonydean6684 We? If by we you mean the Germans, Poles, and British then yes, we designed it. If by we you only mean Americans, then you are a victim of the US propaganda machine.
@@bremCZ Nothing makes you leftists happier than denigrating the US. Who designed the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo engines, electronics, computers, guidance, communications? Who tested them, and who paid for them? Did your friends in Russia build, test and pay for them? Did your friends in China walk on the moon? With you leftists, what is theirs is theirs, and what is ours is theirs. Grow up, comrade. But don't worry, you still have the magnificent achievements of North Korea and Cuba to admire.
After 14 years in the industry, the very first company I worked for, where I *didn’t* have to dress business formal, was IBM. One of life’s little ironies.
"We're all just observing a moment of silence for the companies that didn't". If you didn't get that joke, then something's wrong with you because that's funny.
You don't get it. You have NO IDEA! The sheer joy of seeing what you thought up, drew on paper, saw built, and fly, beats little things like wealth and orgasms. Their thumb prints are on the EFFEN' MOON!
Period accurate and Tom Kelly has a habit of throwing a ball against a wall in the episode. Also a similar "problem - fix it - problem - fix it" feel from the movie.
it was the first spacecraft ever to be designed exclusively for space flight....you're going to have mistakes. i''l pointout that it was grumman's work that got the apollo 13 crew home.
Has anyone ever made such a complicated machine without making mistakes? Has anyone ever accomplished any complex task without making mistakes? You can mitigate the severity and number of mistakes with good development practices. But even then there will never be a shortage of mistakes that need to be ironed out through extensive testing. And even then some will inevitably slip through into the final product (ask any writer, and they will tell you that no matter how many drafts you write or how many times your editor goes over it there will always be some typos in the final book). Humans simply aren't capable of accomplishing a complex task without making any mistakes. No one had ever built a LEM before. And frankly I think Grumman did an excellent job.
@@jonasthemovie It was the LEM initially, and it was changed to LM early in development (apparently they figured Lunar Excursion Module sounded too much like the astronauts were taking a vacation). I don't think it's a big deal if people use LEM, even if the finalized name was technically LM.
Cheers and partiotic music. That's great. Now show the scenes at the companies who didn't get the contract and went bankrupt. Their employees not knowing how to feed their kids next month. Then play the same patriotic music. Oh no that's right... We don't wanna remind ourselves that in competition there is always someone who dosen't win.
At that time, none of the companies that had a legitimate chance to get the contract were depending on that contract for their future. Not a single one.
True story, they lost the contract when the gov. Official reported back that they didn't seem very interested in the project based off of Kelly's reaction on the phone. We ended up faking everything after that for convenience.
I used to have a friend that tapped his ✏️ on the table all the time. To solve that problem. I broke the ✏️ and ate it in front of him... lmao...he never tapped his ✏️ again.
Great Series. This probably is my favorite episode, because it covers all the ups and downs of trying to do what’s never been accomplished, on a limited budget, with absolutely crushing time pressure.
Wow that’s a cheesy scene, the pencil tapping, the mourning comment, the pretending they didn’t get the contract, was always interested in watching this series until now.
My late friend Jim Busby was a technical consultant on this series, and even got to play the engineer tapping the pencil in this scene.
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Thank you for this. Otherwise I would have just continued to think it was just somebody's imagination instead of an actual moment in history.
Was the 'if you value your life, please stop' line true too ?
Did he go naturally or did he start tapping his pencil again…?
Jokes aside, respect.
The mission to the moon was the result of thousands of people working together like parts of an engine driving toward a goal that would redefine the human race.
Bullshit
I don't know how historically accurate that is, but it's a terrific scene.
it was prophetic for the amount of marriages that suffered divorces over the development years of the program.
@@dragonsword7370 I’m a romantic but going to the moon takes amazing work, which takes sacrifices………
I guess I’m a romantic but I’m more romantic about space travel.
women want great men but being a great man comes at a sacrifice.
@@dragonsword7370 Like one engineer put it "Some wives were wondering if we had mistresses. We did, and it was this rocket." Meaning, the Saturn V pretty much took over their lives.
@JZ's Best Friend I am reminded of the famous line in *The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance,* "This is the West sir. When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
Look how happy they are of not seeing their wife and kids for years.
*wives. You make it sound like they all had the same wife.
@@chuckfinley4757They all had multiple wives.
@@MDE_never_dies Your point? Doesn't change the grammar.
@@chuckfinley4757harems
I don't know how he can keep a straight face while building up the tension of the good news, that was brilliant!
Because people who seek out positions of power are usually sociopaths.
Girls: he's probably cheating on me
The Boys: Engineering history changing technology
Ah yes, the times when companies and contractors respected each other and themselves enough to call not only the winner, but also those who didn't get the contract and to stop them from hanging in limbo for whole week.
Wonder if they did that for job applicants back then too? "We'll let you know sometime next week" is almost as big a lie as "I have read the terms and conditions."
@@quillmaurer6563 For many types of jobs, yes, it was quite common.
Imagine the mix of terror and excitement for the engineers - you know you just got a really important contract, and you also don't know whether what you proposed to do is even feasible in the real world of time, funding, and resources.
We have a saying in Engineering, "The good news is we got the contract. The bad news is we got the contract."
I can't help but think Grumman winning the lunar lander contract helped the F-14 become a reality, even though it got mated to a shitty engine in its earliest incarnations.
By far my favorite episode of the series - after 35 years in engineering, I can tell you these are my people!
"Silicon Valley"?
@@melainewhite6409 You’re kidding, right?
@@melainewhite6409 Grumman Aircraft aka "The Ironworks"!
I fuckn love that this crew of engineers were so thrilled to be part of the Apollo program
Yep, they had job security for a several more years on the government dime.
@@bugwar5545 I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you are not an engineer. Because if you were, you would know that that's not what motivated those people and that many of them sacrificed a LOT of themselves into this work. Engineers do what they do because they love it, and getting to do what you love on a project like this is a Dream come true.
@@jonjohns8145 "Engineers do what they do because they love it, ..."
SOME Engineers.
Most do what they do for the sweet, sweet paycheck.
Which they do love, to be honest.
That and a nice air conditioned workplace, as well as snob appeal.
@@bugwar5545 Air conditioning is little solace when it's 2:00 AM and you are pulling your hair out trying to figure out why the system you are working on STILL won't work as it should.
@@jonjohns8145 "Pulling your hair out..." doesn't sound like you're in a job you love.
It does smack of loving that big pay check and frustrated at having to work for it.
My grandfather worked on the fuel system for the module.
He's a badass grandpa
Wouldn't like to play poker with that guy.
@@launch4 You Sir just Lost the internet.
My friend worked at Rocketdyne in California and worked on the space program. Later, he moved to Texas to work for other NASA contractors. After the first moon landing, he lost interest in engineering and became a custom home builder.
My grandfather was an engineer without an engineering degree who did a ton of work on the waste system. Even had to go up to MIT and explain what he was doing to the phds because they were so in the dark.
rabidklein
Engineering: a man or woman who fixes problems and issues using his/her ingenuity...
Your grandfather was an Engineer, of course he was... you might be one as well, the title is a fancy recognition... there is math and science involved with the title, but one can learn that on our own as well... with ingenuity.
Some of the best and most capable engineers don't have engineering degrees. The problem is that people with degrees often will look down on non-degreed engineers. These days a lot of places won't hire people without a degree irregardless of how smart and capable they are.
God bless your grandfather.
A degree does not equal Efficiency. And I 'm an Electrical Engineer. As a degree shows you can do the work. Know how to solve equations to problems that will come up. I mean would you get on an Airplane designed by high school student. I would want proof they know all the problems associated with Aerodynamics. Have the skills too.
As fixing something. That someone else already designed. Is not what an Engineer does. Engineers design, build things given to them with all the constraints of budgets. Time limits and resources given them. As it first starts in the minds of Men. You can make it better. No problem. As you don't have those constraints. You have the advantage of fixing something that already exist. Has detailed schematics to repair it. So not the same as what Engineers deal with...
That’s because intellectuals are idiots
"We've got the contract!"
YES!
YES!
YES!
YES!
Loved this episode. Probably my favorite from the series, with the "Genesis Rock" one a close second.
YAYYY!!! I DON'T HAVE TO SEE MY FAMILY!!!
More like we're engineers and we are going to engineer the impossible, and we got a government contract. So we get to keep our jobs, and might hire more people. I doubt they'd be as good at their jobs without support from their families at home.
The first true spacecraft to fly entirely out of a planets atmosphere.
And after this comment was published, NASA discovered that Earth's "atmosphere" extends a bit beyond the Moon XD Science is trully magnificent, when we think we got it all figured out...
@@jmchdjaimerporkpuedolol3681
Well, calling the Geocorona the "atmosphere" is an example of what we in Denmark call "flueknepperi" or "flyfucking".
Sure, it by definition is, but it's so insignificant as to not really matter regarding anything.
If you ignore the Russians doing the first Luna fly by, probe, probe to Venus, first man in space, first animal in space, first woman in space, first Satellite.
@@samuelfawell9159 I think what he meant was the Lunar Excursion Module was the first manned spaceship that flew exclusively in space. Other manned spacecraft were designed to land through an atmosphere. This was taken into space as cargo and only launched when in deep space. Before that you'd had only unmanned probes.
@@samuelfawell9159 I cant ignore your stupidity though.
My favorite episode of a brilliant series.
Such an underrated series
Great series and this is one of my favorite episodes along with the episode about Apollo 12.
Anyone else notice that the music at the end is from the movie The Great Escape?
maaaan, imagine the emotion of a contract to get humankind on the moon. lucky genius bastards!
Mankind. Don't be like Trudeau.
@@PappyGunn relax
Great episode. I have to look for the series on DVD.
1962, 8 years before the F-14 TOMCAT'S FIRST FLIGHT.
Grumman 2021: we make postal trucks.
@@Easy-Eight Thats honest work there son.
Boats and canoes, too!
@@Easy-Eight They made the old ones too
About twenty years earlier, Grumman was designing US Navy planes.
Now they're designing the solid rocket boosters for SLS.
Matt Craven... man, I love seeing that guy in things. Best work was in Nuremberg.
He's a very calm actor. And yes, Nuremberg was a wonderful film/miniseries.
These men were all born 1930 to 1940. They were in their 20s or early 30s. Average age of Apollo SV-F1 engineer was 27.
I love how they costumed the Grumman engineer,s in full-geek, 1962 garb: short hair,cuts black trousers, white dress shirt with pocket full of writing implements and a skinny black tie. Appaently different colors of pants, shits and ties didn't exist iback n 1962, a least not in dork land.
Dorks are people who get fat watching music videos and hanging out at malls.
As a former citizen of "Dork-"land, I would give anything to go back.
An awesome, incredible American achievement.
Global achievment. Without the Russians, Germans, Brits, Poles, Czechoslovaks... it wouldn't have happened.
@@bremCZ stop pretending; did the Russians, Germans, etc. go to the moon? We designed it, we built it, we had the engineering and manufacturing and gumption to get it done. Did the British?
@@tonydean6684 We? If by we you mean the Germans, Poles, and British then yes, we designed it.
If by we you only mean Americans, then you are a victim of the US propaganda machine.
@@bremCZ Nothing makes you leftists happier than denigrating the US. Who designed the Mercury, Gemini and Apollo engines, electronics, computers, guidance, communications? Who tested them, and who paid for them? Did your friends in Russia build, test and pay for them? Did your friends in China walk on the moon? With you leftists, what is theirs is theirs, and what is ours is theirs. Grow up, comrade. But don't worry, you still have the magnificent achievements of North Korea and Cuba to admire.
@@bremCZ russians ?
White shirts and ties.
That's the way it really was back then. It was expected, it was like an unspoken uniform you had to wear.
Not so much today.
@@VeganAncientDragonKnight I was just making and observation. I think you're reading to much into my comment.
@@VeganAncientDragonKnight
Switch to decaf.
After 14 years in the industry, the very first company I worked for, where I *didn’t* have to dress business formal, was IBM. One of life’s little ironies.
DOn't forget the pocket protectors.
@@PappyGunn Good point.
I just noticed the music at the end... Is that from "The Great Escape?"
I heard they’re making a sequel from the Moon to Uranus
Somewhat as a voice in the wilderness ...
We didnt get the contract. Shows over guys, literally.
I think NASA should have used a kite and 239,000 miles of string.
"We're all just observing a moment of silence for the companies that didn't".
If you didn't get that joke, then something's wrong with you because that's funny.
Fantastic scene!
"we hate our families!" *hizahhh*🎉🥳
I wouldn't like to play poker with Tom Kelly.
Alas, no free Corvettes for those guys
You don't get it. You have NO IDEA! The sheer joy of seeing what you thought up, drew on paper, saw built, and fly, beats little things like wealth and orgasms. Their thumb prints are on the EFFEN' MOON!
@@Jonascord, jeez, maybe dial it back some. Pardon my little TLI of levity there.
If the office happened in the 60s
great but I wonder why this company has not become SpaceX or another famous company?
Northrop Grumman?
@@yommish Yeah, who ever heard of them? LOL
Why the great escape theme at the end?😂🤣
Period accurate and Tom Kelly has a habit of throwing a ball against a wall in the episode. Also a similar "problem - fix it - problem - fix it" feel from the movie.
Wow
Imagine been happy about working, whats that feel like.
Great scene but then what about all the mistakes Grumman made when they were building the LEM?
it was the first spacecraft ever to be designed exclusively for space flight....you're going to have mistakes. i''l pointout that it was grumman's work that got the apollo 13 crew home.
That's what happens when you're building something totally new. The entire Apollo program was like that.
Has anyone ever made such a complicated machine without making mistakes? Has anyone ever accomplished any complex task without making mistakes?
You can mitigate the severity and number of mistakes with good development practices. But even then there will never be a shortage of mistakes that need to be ironed out through extensive testing. And even then some will inevitably slip through into the final product (ask any writer, and they will tell you that no matter how many drafts you write or how many times your editor goes over it there will always be some typos in the final book). Humans simply aren't capable of accomplishing a complex task without making any mistakes.
No one had ever built a LEM before. And frankly I think Grumman did an excellent job.
The LEM? The LM.
@@jonasthemovie It was the LEM initially, and it was changed to LM early in development (apparently they figured Lunar Excursion Module sounded too much like the astronauts were taking a vacation). I don't think it's a big deal if people use LEM, even if the finalized name was technically LM.
Wait, why did the Great Escape theme start playing at the end?
Because they escaped their families.
Cheers and partiotic music.
That's great. Now show the scenes at the companies who didn't get the contract and went bankrupt. Their employees not knowing how to feed their kids next month. Then play the same patriotic music.
Oh no that's right... We don't wanna remind ourselves that in competition there is always someone who dosen't win.
At that time, none of the companies that had a legitimate chance to get the contract were depending on that contract for their future. Not a single one.
Commie!
True story, they lost the contract when the gov. Official reported back that they didn't seem very interested in the project based off of Kelly's reaction on the phone. We ended up faking everything after that for convenience.
A government official didn't call Tom, that was his boss Joseph G. Gavin Jr.
I used to have a friend that tapped his ✏️ on the table all the time. To solve that problem. I broke the ✏️ and ate it in front of him... lmao...he never tapped his ✏️ again.
What you don't know is that your friend made a bet with someone else that he could make you eat a pencil...
My wife and called that she wants sex but I told her we are going to the moon baby!
There is no sense how well written this series is. Just no sense.
NEEEEEERDS!
Now the history repeat!!! HLS is coming!
And it's called Starship.
Back in the olden days when husbands provided financial support for their families.
What movie/series is this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_Earth_to_the_Moon_(miniseries)
Great Series. This probably is my favorite episode, because it covers all the ups and downs of trying to do what’s never been accomplished, on a limited budget, with absolutely crushing time pressure.
eh, screw my wives and kids LETS WORK!!!
Daaaaaaaaaaaamn right!
Yeah, lets solve problems with owetime. I bet this is the cause of half the failed launches....
yyyyyyyyya
Wow that’s a cheesy scene, the pencil tapping, the mourning comment, the pretending they didn’t get the contract, was always interested in watching this series until now.
If you read the comments, someone claims the pencil tapping thing actually happened and they knew the people involved in it. Life is cheesy, it seems.
Wow, you are easily disappointed. Hope nobody spoils the ending for you 😁
ikr! THEY LAND ON THE MOON!!! spoiled hahaha . No seriously get a life bro, shit is quality and you obviously cant see quality