Casuals like u are funny because Murray has regressed so much as a defender it’s not even funny. He was a worse defender that Trae young this season statistically
@@lilolittle3131 Yea I know OKC and the Spurs have a lot of draft capital. I think they're ahead of schedule for sure, but a team that finishes at #`1 in the conference should be considered at the very least a contender.
If I'm the Spurs, there's very little the Hawks could offer to make me give the Hawks their picks back. The Hawks are going to be bad next year. If I'm the Spurs, I want to be bad next year too. Currently the Spurs have four first round picks in 2025. They have their own (reason to be bad on purpose,) the unprotected Hawks, Top 10 protected Bulls, & Top 14 protected Charlotte.
It's a pretty fair trade, it's just that what the Pels gave up was extras and maybes, for a solid PG on a good contract. Total win for the Pels, I think DM will fit better and play better for us. Nance was a turnover machine last quarter of last year and needs a new contract, he'll be overpaid. Dyson love his def potential, but he was an offensive liability, and needs a shot of confidence driving the lane, too many kickouts when he had an ez layup. The two firsts were xtras for us, no big loss there...
I would argue he was given more opportunities than he deserved in New Orleans (he started many games this past season while CJ was hurt and played a lot of minutes over Alvarado, Naji, Hawkins, and even Trey Murphy at times), but I do hope he is able to figure it out in Atlanta.
The Spurs have said multiple times they are not interested in Trae Young. They just skipped picking Rob Dillingham who is a Trae young copy for less money, and picked a PG that is tall intentionally. Stop talking about the Hawks getting their picks back. Zero percent chance the Spurs are going to milk Atlanta for all they can
I don’t like the fact that Ingram, Murray, and Cj operate in the same areas and aren’t really floor spacers. Cj can hit threes but he is more of a mid range killer. Zion needs space and if Murray can provide that then great but CJ will have to be their shooter. He has been great the last few years shooting wise but we will see.
I have an interesting idea on the trade front: you do an Ingram trade to Cleveland for Strus and Allen, and make that all part of a sign and trade package involving Naji Marshall, who they’re also unlikely to keep but is a good role player, volume of 3’s and his streakiness from outside is a concern but at 6’7 220 he can play some 4, he’s a good slasher, decent to good rebounder, and a strong defender who doesn’t foul a ton. Losing Strus would hurt there, but they are getting stronger on the wing in return, and New Orleans gets the veteran defensive 5 they’ve been wanting and either another shooting wing off the bench or a guy who can be flipped (with probably a protected pick or two) for, say, Jonathan Isaac since they Magic really need the shooting and Isaac is an intriguing player going forward even with the injury concerns, has some streakiness shooting but would primarily be a backup 4 who you can slot 3-5 and is another defensive terror.
I concur, however, you have to talk the Cavs into paying BI longterm. I flip Strus because I want Jordan Hawkins to get minutes because that kid can shoot. If not Issac than maybe Walker Kessler or Kessler Walker from Utah.
This guy don't know what he's talking about . The Pels got away with robbery. The Pels gave them a bunch of unknowns and Dyson Daniel's suck on offense
It must really suck to lose a very good player like Murray. He didn't quite work out as well as hoped, but his potential was still amazing. Now Dyson Daniels is not a #8 pick for no reason, he is a top defensive player. He can even lead a 2nd unit as a ball handler and his short midrange game is deadly. If he can get his shooting to be a little more consistant and expand his game, he will be a great asset to have for many years. I will dread the day he will be on Ingram or Murray and guard the hell out of my team's players :S
@@pinobluevogel6458 yeah dyson daniels is extremely underrated at his peak he could be ben simmons with a jumpshot which is just scary to think about 😱
@@denzel8827 That is actually quite funny. Funny or not, I think the difference in work ethic, attitude and straight up effectiveness compared to salary makes Dyson a far better prospect in every way than Ben Simmons. (at least now)
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Nance is an incredibly versatile defender who would fit on any team. There's a reason he was in the Pelicans' closing lineups. I can easily see him getting the Hawks a late 1st at the deadline.
Dejounte shot 36% from three on over 7 attempts a game last season. He doesn't "fix" the 3pt volume issue for New Orleans, but he also doesn't hurt it. He does however give them a floor general, which they've badly needed. Point Zion is awesome, but Zion is going to miss games every season. And you can't have that be your only look.
@@matthewweih7890 murray isn't the same as he was defensively when he won 1st team all defense. He's also smaller than dyson by a lot tbh. I'm not saying he's bad, he's just a worse defender than dys. I'm also extremely high on dys because he was one of the few guys that really gave ant fits.
@@316ray2 have you watched the hawks this yr all of the starters had phenomenal offensive seasons I feel like they flow better w Murray starting after watching him play he made me a believer
I think nothing significant will happen this offseason, like this is move is nothing for PELS, lowkey feel like the PELS just got better short term, but way worse long term.
@@djkd9065 the Pels have Murray now, Murray is a perimeter defender & they would still have Trey Murphy. Plus Jordan Hawks could get some more playing time.
@@zion897 The Pels don’t have a center, the Knicks are moving things around to bring back Hartenstein, the Nets resigned Claxton. The Pels are going to have to make another trade, & CJ isn’t going anywhere, at the moment.
No the hawks got fleeced or however you worded it. He was only playing bad because his usage dropped significantly, he’s as good an all around player as Mikal Bridges, if he’s worth six picks Dejounte is worth at least 5 with the current market.
Wouldnt it be a difference in what team is more desperate fort a championship though? The Knicks prolly valued Mikal more than the Pels valued Dejonte(Because of the fit) and thus the Knicks were more willing to part away with picks than the Pels. I dont think any other team gives 6 picks to the nets(Prolly 2/3+role player) and thats how much the Pels were willing to give the Hawks
Wings - Herb Jones - Trey Murphy - please just stop saying the pels have no 3/d wings - someone doesn’t watch us enough to have a qualified position on this Take is funky
Yeah those two are like the ideal 3/d wings and they are both starting level players. And if Naji comes back that’s another quality player off the bench that would fill that role.
Spurs would be dumb to take Trae young and do the hawks a favor. Keep building like they have been and make Atlanta squirm. I doubt they get cooper Flagg next year but if they still kinda suck and have 2 top ten picks? (there’s and hawks) perhaps they can move up and get someone like Nolan traore or Dylan Harper
DJM had 4 times the points of Dyson Daniels. Why are people turning him into some big guard that will be legit. The man shoots 31% from three. Its a horrible trade
Hawks: so we didn't give the Spurs Cooper Flagg, but we did give them Trae Young for our picks back Cone: F*CK! Edit: in my defense, I didn't know Cone would suggest that
Sorry 3cone we ain’t giving Atlanta back their picks. No way were gunning (tanking) for cooper Flagg. 2 opportunities for that Cooper Flagg pick. You can have the Wolves 2030 and 2031 1st round picks they gave us.
"And some" no shot the Spurs go for that, the best the Hawks can hope for is just their picks back. Dejounte barely got them two FRP and the Spurs have all the leverage. Just facts
Ingram to Bulls for Vucevic and a future 1st round and a pick swap. Vucevic may not be a good rim protector but he is versatile as a good floor spacer and rebounder
I’m glad hawks fans are happy
can't wait too see the pels defense with Murray and Herb guarding the perimeter
Casuals like u are funny because Murray has regressed so much as a defender it’s not even funny. He was a worse defender that Trae young this season statistically
@@4ktkaram395 you're mean
@@Yellow_belly777 mean? What did I say wrong lol. All I said is that Murray is very overrated defender. I’m sorry that u have thin skin
@@4ktkaram395 hahaha I know
@@4ktkaram395who is the best defender on the hawks?
Spurs don't want Trae, they are rebuilding like OKC
I think the Spurs are closer to a win-now team than you might think. Also, OKC is not a rebuilding team, it is a potential contender.
@@pinobluevogel6458Any team with that many picks is rebuilding, they’re just ahead of schedule
@@lilolittle3131 Yea I know OKC and the Spurs have a lot of draft capital. I think they're ahead of schedule for sure, but a team that finishes at #`1 in the conference should be considered at the very least a contender.
If I'm the Spurs, there's very little the Hawks could offer to make me give the Hawks their picks back. The Hawks are going to be bad next year. If I'm the Spurs, I want to be bad next year too. Currently the Spurs have four first round picks in 2025. They have their own (reason to be bad on purpose,) the unprotected Hawks, Top 10 protected Bulls, & Top 14 protected Charlotte.
You’re not a spurs fan if you don’t think trae young and wemby wouldn’t run the league for the next 10 yrs stop it
It's a pretty fair trade, it's just that what the Pels gave up was extras and maybes, for a solid PG on a good contract. Total win for the Pels, I think DM will fit better and play better for us. Nance was a turnover machine last quarter of last year and needs a new contract, he'll be overpaid. Dyson love his def potential, but he was an offensive liability, and needs a shot of confidence driving the lane, too many kickouts when he had an ez layup. The two firsts were xtras for us, no big loss there...
That Pels perimeter defense is looking solid
It'd be stupid of the Spurs to bail the Hawks out right now. Keeping the picks is the smart move
Hawks gave up 3 first round picks for Murray 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
1 of those picks was a Hornets pick that's about to turn into 2nds btw
they didnt waste that much calm down
Dyson’s problem is not that he was never given an opportunity. He lacks confidence in his offensive game. He is very hesitant to shoot the ball.
I would argue he was given more opportunities than he deserved in New Orleans (he started many games this past season while CJ was hurt and played a lot of minutes over Alvarado, Naji, Hawkins, and even Trey Murphy at times), but I do hope he is able to figure it out in Atlanta.
Definitely gotten more opportunities than Hawkins
I appreciate your mature approach
Appreciated your work and content as always and I like the trade for Murray because he become the PG for New Orleans pelicans
Cone dropped this fast 🔥
This offseason gonna be crazy
I disagree, I think it's going be the opposite, nothing significant will happen this offseason.
The Spurs have said multiple times they are not interested in Trae Young. They just skipped picking Rob Dillingham who is a Trae young copy for less money, and picked a PG that is tall intentionally. Stop talking about the Hawks getting their picks back. Zero percent chance the Spurs are going to milk Atlanta for all they can
It’s possible 😂
@@atalikfans Its not possible. The Spurs have made it clear
Ingram, Murray, and Zion sounds intriguing
And cj
2nd round exits
Ingram is gone. They're definitely trading him now...
@@brandoni241he needs to be.
I don’t like the fact that Ingram, Murray, and Cj operate in the same areas and aren’t really floor spacers. Cj can hit threes but he is more of a mid range killer. Zion needs space and if Murray can provide that then great but CJ will have to be their shooter. He has been great the last few years shooting wise but we will see.
We in the building 🏀 Let's go Pelicans 🏀⚜️🏆
I have an interesting idea on the trade front: you do an Ingram trade to Cleveland for Strus and Allen, and make that all part of a sign and trade package involving Naji Marshall, who they’re also unlikely to keep but is a good role player, volume of 3’s and his streakiness from outside is a concern but at 6’7 220 he can play some 4, he’s a good slasher, decent to good rebounder, and a strong defender who doesn’t foul a ton. Losing Strus would hurt there, but they are getting stronger on the wing in return, and New Orleans gets the veteran defensive 5 they’ve been wanting and either another shooting wing off the bench or a guy who can be flipped (with probably a protected pick or two) for, say, Jonathan Isaac since they Magic really need the shooting and Isaac is an intriguing player going forward even with the injury concerns, has some streakiness shooting but would primarily be a backup 4 who you can slot 3-5 and is another defensive terror.
I concur, however, you have to talk the Cavs into paying BI longterm. I flip Strus because I want Jordan Hawkins to get minutes because that kid can shoot. If not Issac than maybe Walker Kessler or Kessler Walker from Utah.
This guy don't know what he's talking about . The Pels got away with robbery. The Pels gave them a bunch of unknowns and Dyson Daniel's suck on offense
Well done young guy. You did your homework.
Hawks lowkey got better but everyone is gonna look at the negatives 🤷🏿♂️
Better defensively**
@@andrecambridge4474that’s exactly what I was referring to. Now if we can get a Jarrett Allen or Walker Kessler as our defensive anchor we’re cooking
No they’re not
Im still a Dyson Daniels fan, hawks fans will change their minds about him.
They did ! More lineup flexibility, potential to unlock Dyson and another 1st round pick next year in more star power draft
Krazy thing is hawks fans ain’t speaking up so I am🗣️this is all on the organization. It just is
a minute and a half into the video and i hear “flip larry nance jr for a first round pick” 🤣🤣🤣 prayers out to all atlanta hawks fans 😭
they don’t know how valuable nance and daniels are
It must really suck to lose a very good player like Murray. He didn't quite work out as well as hoped, but his potential was still amazing. Now Dyson Daniels is not a #8 pick for no reason, he is a top defensive player. He can even lead a 2nd unit as a ball handler and his short midrange game is deadly. If he can get his shooting to be a little more consistant and expand his game, he will be a great asset to have for many years. I will dread the day he will be on Ingram or Murray and guard the hell out of my team's players :S
@@pinobluevogel6458 yeah dyson daniels is extremely underrated at his peak he could be ben simmons with a jumpshot which is just scary to think about 😱
@@denzel8827 That is actually quite funny.
Funny or not, I think the difference in work ethic, attitude and straight up effectiveness compared to salary makes Dyson a far better prospect in every way than Ben Simmons. (at least now)
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Nance is an incredibly versatile defender who would fit on any team. There's a reason he was in the Pelicans' closing lineups. I can easily see him getting the Hawks a late 1st at the deadline.
pray for atlanta
Nah they’re fine. They have an all star and just got a #1 pick. Pray for the Pistons
Why? They literally got better
Dejounte shot 36% from three on over 7 attempts a game last season. He doesn't "fix" the 3pt volume issue for New Orleans, but he also doesn't hurt it. He does however give them a floor general, which they've badly needed. Point Zion is awesome, but Zion is going to miss games every season. And you can't have that be your only look.
Im taking him over CJ in the clutch anyday
Trae not leaving
Thank god the backcourt of dyson daniels and herb jones is gone. That was a defensive nightmare to play against.
Wdym ? Herb and Murray is barely worse 🚔
😂*
@@matthewweih7890 murray isn't the same as he was defensively when he won 1st team all defense. He's also smaller than dyson by a lot tbh. I'm not saying he's bad, he's just a worse defender than dys. I'm also extremely high on dys because he was one of the few guys that really gave ant fits.
@@matthewweih7890Murray is a cone lol. He a reputation defender
murrays def is cooked atleast in atl so geuss nola will find out
If I’m the pels I’m calling up wolves and swapping Ingram for kat straight up.
This was one of dejountes best years yet I feel like he gets everyone involved while scoring at a higher vol then Trae
Watch basketball
@@316ray2 have you watched the hawks this yr all of the starters had phenomenal offensive seasons I feel like they flow better w Murray starting after watching him play he made me a believer
I think nothing significant will happen this offseason, like this is move is nothing for PELS, lowkey feel like the PELS just got better short term, but way worse long term.
They gonna have some top tier defense along with trey murphy III
Weird trade idea, Pels trade BI & Jones to the T’Wolves for KAT. KAT would help with the floor spacing & replace Jonas.
And the pels losing a lot of rotational perimeter defense? Hell no
@@djkd9065 the Pels have Murray now, Murray is a perimeter defender & they would still have Trey Murphy. Plus Jordan Hawks could get some more playing time.
@@americancheese3087do not compare murray to jones defensively. Herb jones is worth more than you think
@@zion897 The Pels don’t have a center, the Knicks are moving things around to bring back Hartenstein, the Nets resigned Claxton. The Pels are going to have to make another trade, & CJ isn’t going anywhere, at the moment.
@@zion897and he was a 40% 3 pt shooter too
This is just one man's opinion. 🏀
Pels getting him for a bag of chips is crazy. Imagine if they resign Brandon Ingram aswell.
No the hawks got fleeced or however you worded it. He was only playing bad because his usage dropped significantly, he’s as good an all around player as Mikal Bridges, if he’s worth six picks Dejounte is worth at least 5 with the current market.
Wouldnt it be a difference in what team is more desperate fort a championship though? The Knicks prolly valued Mikal more than the Pels valued Dejonte(Because of the fit) and thus the Knicks were more willing to part away with picks than the Pels. I dont think any other team gives 6 picks to the nets(Prolly 2/3+role player) and thats how much the Pels were willing to give the Hawks
Pelicans offence is gonna be insane now.
I don't think the Hawks got "fleeced". I think they got a good deal, but that Mikal Bridges trade makes it look bad.
Wings - Herb Jones - Trey Murphy - please just stop saying the pels have no 3/d wings - someone doesn’t watch us enough to have a qualified position on this
Take is funky
Yeah those two are like the ideal 3/d wings and they are both starting level players. And if Naji comes back that’s another quality player off the bench that would fill that role.
This man said flip Nance for a #1 😂
Hawks can still make moves to be a playoff team, dont think their trading Trae
They got better lol
@@4ktkaram395 no they didn't there offense is worse and at best their defense is slightly better
As a Spurs fan, I do not want Trae Young. He is not a Spur
Ingram for Jarret Allen would be the perfect trade for New Orleans and the Cavs.
Clint capella is glue guy
He’s trash
They didn’t get to the ecf w that combo Murray wasn’t there
I’m not seeing the “fleece” everyone is talking about. Murray wasn’t gonna be on the team anyways to begin the season
3:26 Bro tf are you scared of your team built a potential Superteam through the draft 😭😭
Spurs would be dumb to take Trae young and do the hawks a favor. Keep building like they have been and make Atlanta squirm. I doubt they get cooper Flagg next year but if they still kinda suck and have 2 top ten picks? (there’s and hawks) perhaps they can move up and get someone like Nolan traore or Dylan Harper
DJM had 4 times the points of Dyson Daniels. Why are people turning him into some big guard that will be legit. The man shoots 31% from three. Its a horrible trade
Larry for a 1st round pick? Ya lost me there.
Hawks: so we didn't give the Spurs Cooper Flagg, but we did give them Trae Young for our picks back
Cone: F*CK!
Edit: in my defense, I didn't know Cone would suggest that
All these non hawks fans tryna give a take on our team is hilarious 😂😂
Sorry 3cone we ain’t giving Atlanta back their picks. No way were gunning (tanking) for cooper Flagg. 2 opportunities for that Cooper Flagg pick. You can have the Wolves 2030 and 2031 1st round picks they gave us.
31 .... no. Try like 36... at 8 attempts
This is why I said hawks didn't deserve the top pick. Clueless franchise. They got fleeced, bamboozled and straight up pockets dug!
Trae young definitely going to spurs, getting their picks and some
He not going anywhere lol
Spurs do not want him.
"And some" no shot the Spurs go for that, the best the Hawks can hope for is just their picks back. Dejounte barely got them two FRP and the Spurs have all the leverage. Just facts
He is not going to the Spurs.
Ingram to Bulls for Vucevic and a future 1st round and a pick swap.
Vucevic may not be a good rim protector but he is versatile as a good floor spacer and rebounder
wait wait wait, flip Larry Nance Jr. for a first round pick??? bwahahaha are you high?
Murray hasn’t played well over the past couple of years? 😳
Lies, lies and more lies!! 😅
Hawks got better lol
im here
W
*This move is MEANINGLESS FOR THE PELS LOL.*
Not really meaningless Pels desperately needed a PG and they got one who also contributes on defense and is willing to shoot 3s.
Devontae getting traded...obvious
Wow
changes nothing for new orleans lmao hawks won easily
Don’t trade bi
Was hoping he could maybe be a king, now it’s time for Ingram to come to Sacramento
Sacramento is terrible
Dejounte overrated
Whoever tweeted that this is the better team in the west is smoking syrup
first
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Everyone coping but atlanta got fleeced remember they traded 5 first for murray